Re: [Fink-users] Will Apple give Fink a hard time?
On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 09:14 AM, KaOs wrote: I wonder if Apple will make it impossible for Fink to continue to develop as it has by the introduction of developer tool changes. The reason I ask this is that the EULA forbids the patching of add-ons to the embedded Mac apps for OS X. Apple is, in other words, giving independent developers a hard time. They support OpenDarwin, but they do not even mention Fink as an alternative. It seems to me that there is little, if any, cooperation of Apple to the Fink Project. The recent upgrade that put the Fink project on hold for months eloquently demonstrates that.., as does the recent choice of an inferior browser as default. So I would like to know what is the reality of the Fink situation in relation to Apple.., and should I begin thinking of a complete Debian PPC Woody take-over install on my hard drive? Chaos is freedom! Realize that Apple did this for the opposite reason... X11 on Mac OS X was being crippled by a bully in the marketplace: TENON. Your assumption about Apple's motives would be correct in most instances but this one because Apple's motive was to destroy Tenon's illegal hegemony. Apple's corporate customers were fleeing because Tenon was illegally preventing the free release of XFree86 with Hardware OpenGL support on Mac OS X. Apple's motives in releasing X11 was to stop the hemorrhaging. Apple has no interest in X11 because they're following the NeXT philosophy of using their own window server to serve their own kind of programs. X11 is the window server every other flavor of UNIX uses to serve programs. Apple hacked NeXT's window server to broaden its horizons beyond Cocoa to serve windows for Carbon, Java, and the Classic compatibility layer. X11 on Mac OS X began as a hobby-like interest in the possibilities of OS X that Tenon illegally hijacked with criminal racketeering so they could profit. Nobody knows what means Tenon used to force XonX to keep HW OpenGL from XFree86 but Apple invalidated the scheme by releasing it for free. It wouldn't be a big deal if HW OpenGL support in XFree86 was payware on any other platform... but it's free everywhere else. Now it's free on Mac OS X and Tenon can go back under a rock for all we care. lenny bruceI am not a comedian, [EMAIL PROTECTED]I am Lenny Bruce. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] LibUSB 0.1.7-1 update won't build
For a long time now I couldn't get Speex 1.0beta3-2 or LibUSB 0.1.7-1 to update. Speex finally built tonight for some unknown reason but LibUSB is still failing: ld: Undefined symbols: _usb_get_string_simple ### execution of /var/tmp/tmp.0.Wizvnp failed, exit code 2 Failed: compiling libusb-0.1.7-1 failed make[2]: *** [testlibusb] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 anybody have a hint? lenny bruceI am not a comedian, [EMAIL PROTECTED]I am Lenny Bruce. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] guile and libgcc.dylib problems
Hi I'm having problems building texmacs. The configure process chokes because guile can't find libgcc.dylib. From what I can find out about libgcc, it should not be used with Jaguar. Is it possible to persuade guile not to use this library? TIA Simon --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Re: Fink-users digest, Vol 1 #1381 - 12 msgs
Sorry about the HTML posting - I didn't think Eudora would do that! --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Re: Apple X11 and pymol display.
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:58:46 -0800 From: Daniel E. Sabath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fink Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fink-users] PyMOL I've tried PyMOL (molecular modeling software), which now claims to be accelerated for OpenGL in the new Apple X-windows version, but for me, rotating protein structures is really slow. I was hoping to get something approaching free rotation like I get with rasmol. What kind of performance should I expect? I've tried it on a G4 DP/800 and a 17 flat panel iMac. On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 10:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you using OS 10.2.3? You won't derive the benefits of the acceleration unless you have 10.2.3. Beyond that, I am at a loss. On my G4 iMac and even on my G3 ibook, x-windows based pymol has gone from virtually unusable to almost as good as the native version (which, by the way, can be downloaded here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pymol/pymol-0_84beta-bin- osx.dmg.gz?download ). I've cc-ed this to the pymol users list in case others have more suggestions.\ It turns out that my graphical slowdown was being caused by XBack, my desktop movie player. This caused too much strain on my graphics card. Rotating surface structures is still pretty slow, but line or cartoon structures rotate reasonably well with either the MacOS X native or X-windows versions. Thanks, Dan -- Daniel E. Sabath, M.D., Ph.D. University of Washington Department of Laboratory Medicine Box 357110 Seattle, WA 98195-7110 Phone: (206) 598-6833 Fax: (206) 598-6189 http://www.labmed.washington.edu --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Re: Fink-users digest, Vol 1 #1381 - 12 msgs
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 12:09 PM, Christian Schaffner wrote: How did you start it? With sudo safe_mysqld --user=mysql I created a StartupItem to start it with '/sw/share/mysql/mysql.server start', which runs safe_mysqld. Same results if I do it your way (after remembering to add the '' so that it doesn't lock my terminal.) When I do... /sw/share/mysql/mysql.server stop it is unable to kill the process. Doing some googling, I was able to find one reference that this may indicate a problem with the threads library. That's all I really know about it. (And yes, I know about mysqladmin shutdown.) So, why don't you use sudo mysqladmin shutdown Because that requires a password and can't go in a shutdown script unless I either put the cleartext password in a script or have a null password for the root user. (And yes, I know that StartupItems don't do shutdown yet. I'm trying to be ready for when they do.) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Problems with restFP and saveFP
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Alexandre Enkerli wrote: I have no idea if this has to do with fink, but maybe I can find help here. Some packages I'm trying to install from source generate errors at make. Here's this error in the context of compiling the latest version of Apache 2. ld: .libs/libapr-0.0.9.2.dylib-master.o has external relocation entries in non-writable section (__TEXT,__text) for symbols: restFP saveFP /usr/bin/libtool: internal link edit command failed make[3]: *** [libapr-0.la] Error 1 make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 You have some gnu-darwin things in /usr/local, i believe, like libgcc.dylib. Get rid of them. -Ben --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Re: Removing KDE
Wed Jan 22 16:43:35 EST 2003 Thanks for the response. What exactly would I use for the XXX listed in your command for removing KDE? Previously I was instructed to remove the arts pkg with the theory that everything depends on that thus everything would be removed. I would like to remove all KDE elements and have my fink install as clean as possible pertaining to kde. -- From: Kow K Date: 1/22/03, 11:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fink-users] Removing KDE To remove packages XXX forcefully, do the following: dpkg -r --ignore-depends XXX See man dpkg for more detail. dpkg --purge was near, but not exact. ;-) Basically, KDE is provided via a few meta-packages like: bundle-kde kdebase3 kdeutils3 So, you don't need to select all programs to remove. A few comments on KDE in general: 1.You don't need to commit installing all stuff of KDE using bundle-kde. The core of KDE is kdebase3. 2.It is true that KDE is kind of slow, but the built of 3.1 againt Dec 02 Dev Tools is much faster and snappier than before. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] LibUSB 0.1.7-1 update won't build
Please send me your full libusb build log. (off list) -Ben On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 05:20 AM, lenny bruce wrote: For a long time now I couldn't get Speex 1.0beta3-2 or LibUSB 0.1.7-1 to update. Speex finally built tonight for some unknown reason but LibUSB is still failing: ld: Undefined symbols: _usb_get_string_simple ### execution of /var/tmp/tmp.0.Wizvnp failed, exit code 2 Failed: compiling libusb-0.1.7-1 failed make[2]: *** [testlibusb] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 anybody have a hint? lenny bruceI am not a comedian, [EMAIL PROTECTED]I am Lenny Bruce. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Mozilla plug-ins
Hi, posted something along these lines recently and had no response. Thought I'd try again. I installed Mozilla using fink and I'm running it using Apple's X11. This is much faster than the Carbonised OSX build of Mozilla, but it installs without any plug-ins and I don't know how to fix the problem. I really need the Java plug-in for some work I'm doing. Greg Hamilton --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Mozilla plug-ins
The best way to go is contact package maintainer. I think it's Masanori Sekino ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), but you'd better check it out by fink info mozilla. Cheers, Kow P.S., I agree that the Fink version of Mozilla runs faster than Carbonized one. This good. Payoff is that Fink's is still 1.1 and kind of behind the Carbon version of 1.3. As for this, please understand that it is maintained by one of the busiest maitainers of Fink developers ... On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 08:28 PM, Greg Hamilton wrote: Hi, posted something along these lines recently and had no response. Thought I'd try again. I installed Mozilla using fink and I'm running it using Apple's X11. This is much faster than the Carbonised OSX build of Mozilla, but it installs without any plug-ins and I don't know how to fix the problem. I really need the Java plug-in for some work I'm doing. Greg Hamilton --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
