[Fis] A very small survey about your Research Area for an article to World Scientific Volume on the Study of Information Vol 1.
Dear FISers. First of all: Happy New Year At IS4SI 2017 me and my colleagues have made a small report with a classification of the messages exchanged in FIS mailing list - http://www.mdpi.com/2504-3900/1/3/205 At that time, we've searched each one of you at Scopus Author Search to build a limited scientific profile of FIS list authors. Now that we will have the opportunity to publish a bigger report of the same study at World Scientific Volume, *we are asking you 2 minutes to inform us your Research Areas.* I know surveys are, in general, boring, but I promise this one is very very short :-) We would appreciate if you would answer this survey *as soon as you receive this message*, because we have a short deadline to send the article (Jan 15th). *Link to survey:* *https://goo.gl/forms/ApYIzFupLdewtZlo2 <https://goo.gl/forms/ApYIzFupLdewtZlo2>* Thank you very much!!! Um abraço, Moisés. -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Can the can drink beer ? - No way!
;>> from them can be drawn. >>> Lars-Göran Johansson >>> >>> >>> In sum, information does not seem to be a physical quantity, rather just >>> a very subjective measure... >>> >>> *Arturo Tozzi* >>> AA Professor Physics, University North Texas >>> Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy >>> Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba >>> http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/ >>> >>> ___ >>> Fis mailing list >>> Fis@listas.unizar.es >>> http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >>> >>> >>> Lars-Göran Johansson >>> lars-goran.johans...@filosofi.uu.se >>> 0701-679178 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ___ >>> Fis mailing list >>> Fis@listas.unizar.es >>> http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >>> >>> ___ >>> Fis mailing list >>> Fis@listas.unizar.es >>> http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alex Hankey M.A. (Cantab.) PhD (M.I.T.) >> Distinguished Professor of Yoga and Physical Science, >> SVYASA, Eknath Bhavan, 19 Gavipuram Circle >> Bangalore 560019, Karnataka, India >> Mobile (Intn'l): +44 7710 534195 <+44%207710%20534195> >> Mobile (India) +91 900 800 8789 <+91%2090080%2008789> >> >> >> 2015 JPBMB Special Issue on Integral Biomathics: Life Sciences, >> Mathematics and Phenomenological Philosophy >> <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/00796107/119/3> >> >> ___ >> Fis mailing list >> Fis@listas.unizar.es >> http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >> >> > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutor em Ciência da Informação (IBICT/UFRJ) Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] I finished my thesis work. The defense was March, 21th - Thank you very much to all list members :-)
Dear FISers. Finally I finished my doctorate work :-) The FIS' list messages, the survey and the interviews was very important data sources of my research. This mailing list, and it's members, are amazing! :-) Thank you all, very much!!! Among other things, I was able to classify and group more than 5000 messages posted from 1997 to 2016 and found that the most discussed topic was Information and Physics. But there are ohter interesting things :-) I'm going to submit an extended abstract for IS4SI with some of the results. If anyone wants to know more details, please contact me. Special thanks to my friend Rafael, for introducing FIS to me, to Pedro for the support and incentive and to Bob Logan for the many conversations and the excellent reception at Toronto. Um abraço!!! Moisés -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutor em Ciência da Informação (IBICT/UFRJ) Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Is anyone interested in writing in this book?
I received this invitation. It is not my specific area, so I decided to share in FIS list. Call for Chapters: Applied Quantum Theory in Information Sciences http://www.igi-global.com/publish/call-for-papers/call-details/2545 Abraços! Moisés -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?
Dear FISers. I was very excited with the John’s first message informing that a group of scientists is discussing again the role of Information in Physics. The high impact on FIS list of John’s post (13 replies from different persons in 2 days) shows that it is yet an open discussion. Thank you all for the very interesting posts :-) The works (not interdisciplinary nor reductionist) of Tom Stonier (1991), Holger Lyre (1995) and Carl Friedrich Von Weizsäcker, et. Al (2006) and many discussions on this list ( http://fis.sciforum.net/fis-discussion-sessions/) are also about this theme. Scientific American article is an introduction. So I went to the source of the project named “It from Qubit: Simons Collaboration on Quantum Fields, Gravity, and Information. Home page: https://www.simonsfoundation.org/mathematics-and-physical-science/it-from-qubit-simons-collaboration-on-quantum-fields-gravity-and-information/ Overview: http://web.stanford.edu/~phayden/simons/overview.pdf Project: http://web.stanford.edu/~phayden/simons/simons-proposal.pdf Mainly, it is an Interdisciplinary Resarch group trying to approximate Fundamental Physics from Quantum Information, so I think that it is a good and necessary initiative. Imagine what we can “extract” from this two fields working together! They have several projects, but I think that the final goals is not as important as the revelations of the processes. We should look at the projects. Maybe we can find that, after all, the title “it from qbit” was only a “marketing” (bad?) choice :-) Kind regards, Moisés References: STONIER, T. *Towards a new theory of information*. Journal of Information Science. *Anais*...1991Disponível em: http://www.scopus.com/inward/record.url?eid=2-s2.0-0026386595=tZOtx3y1 “Information science is badly in need of an information theory. The paper discusses both the need, and the possibility of developing such a theory based on the assumption that information is a basic property of the universe.” LYRE, H. Quantum theory of Ur-objects as a theory of information. *International Journal of Theoretical Physics*, v. 34, n. 8, p. 1541–1552, ago. 1995. “The quantum theory of ur-objects proposed by C. F. von Weizsäcker has to be interpreted as a quantum theory of information.” WEIZSÄCKER, C. F. VON; GÖRNITZ, T.; LYRE, H. *The structure of physics*. Dordrecht: Springer, 2006. “the idea of a quantum theory of binary alternatives (the so-called ur-theory), a unified quantum theoretical framework in which spinorial symmetry groups are considered to give rise to the structure of space and time.” 2016-11-03 16:52 GMT-02:00 John Collier <colli...@ukzn.ac.za>: > Apparently some physicists think so. > > > > https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tangled-up-in- > spacetime/?WT.mc_id=SA_WR_20161102 > > > > John Collier > > Emeritus Professor and Senior Research Associate > > Philosophy, University of KwaZulu-Natal > > http://web.ncf.ca/collier > > > > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Scientific Communication and Publishing
Dear Mark. Thank you for the excelent video and article. It is very important to discuss this and, if you agree, I will use your video with my students (can you send me the transcription?). No doubt we are in a changing world and we have to fight against abusive processes, like publication industry. In Rafael's article, the question “what is a scientific journal in the digital age?” I understand that we must think outside the box. I think it would be great if some group invent a kind of "Uber" of scientific production. Something that connect directly authors and readers at feasible rates. arXiv does this connection in some way, but it is not universal. E-science is also a good initiative. Related to this discussion, UNESCO will do an event on Wednesday (sep/28th) at Museu do Amanhã (Rio de Janeiro) called International Day for Universal Access to Information (http://en.unesco.org/iduai2016). But the fact is: we are human and the worry about "reputation" is the real reason of today's organization of scientific communication (about this, this book chapter is very good: VAN RAAN, Anthony FJ. The interdisciplinary nature of science: theoretical framework and bibliometric-empirical approach. Practising interdisciplinarity, p. 66-78, 2000.) Kind regards, Moisés 2016-09-26 4:55 GMT-03:00 Mark Johnson <johnsonm...@gmail.com>: > > Dear FIS Colleagues, > > To kick-start the discussion on scientific publishing, I have prepared > a short (hopefully provocative) video. It can be found at: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bh3vqM98-U > > (if anyone's interested, the software I used for producing it is > called 'Videoscribe') > > I have also produced a paper which is attached. > > I hope you find these interesting and stimulating! > > Best wishes, > > Mark > -- > Dr. Mark William Johnson > Institute of Learning and Teaching > Faculty of Health and Life Sciences > University of Liverpool > > Phone: 07786 064505 > Email: johnsonm...@gmail.com > Blog: http://dailyimprovisation.blogspot.com > > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] FIS Survey for PhD research - closing on Monday
Dear FISers. My PhD survey will be closed on next Monday (Sep, 19th) I want to thank the colleagues that answered the questionnaire and also thanks for the comments. For those who didn't have time, would you please send me your Curriculum Vitae (CV)? I can extract many data from it. The survey report will be 100% anonymous and I will send it to FIS mailing list as soon it be done. Pedro, thank you for your support! Thanks, everybody. Um abraço, Moisés -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Fwd: FIS Survey for PhD research - with upload references feature
Dear FISers. Following Joseph's suggestion, you can use the form below if you wish to upload a file with your references. http://moisesandre.com.br/survey/index.php/956478?lang=en Thank you. Best, Moisés. -- Forwarded message -- From: Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch> Date: 2016-08-26 16:15 GMT-03:00 Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS Survey for PhD research - suggestion To: Moisés André Nisenbaum <moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br> Dear Moises, I sympathize with your problem, but I have one idea of why you got so few responses. There is no up-load feature for the page on publications and some people are too busy to generate a new list. Do you think you could add this? Best, Joseph - Original Message ----- *From:* Moisés André Nisenbaum <moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br> *To:* fis <fis@listas.unizar.es> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:24 PM *Subject:* [Fis] FIS Survey for PhD research - reminder Dear FISers. About one month ago I asked you to considere taking part in my research study about Interdisciplinarity between Physics and Information Science, by answering an online survey. Firstly I would like to thank very much to the eight colleagues that answered the questionnaire! Respondents took about 15 minutes to answer the questions. I know it is difficult to like questionnaires :-) But I need more responses to my research, so I kindly ask you again to answer this short survey about your research, the FIS list and the concepts of Information and Information Science. The survey link is: http://moisesandre.com.br/survey/index.php/772769?lang= en Thank you very much!!! Um abraço, Moisés. -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br -- ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] FIS Survey for PhD research - reminder
Dear FISers. About one month ago I asked you to considere taking part in my research study about Interdisciplinarity between Physics and Information Science, by answering an online survey. Firstly I would like to thank very much to the eight colleagues that answered the questionnaire! Respondents took about 15 minutes to answer the questions. I know it is difficult to like questionnaires :-) But I need more responses to my research, so I kindly ask you again to answer this short survey about your research, the FIS list and the concepts of Information and Information Science. The survey link is: http://moisesandre.com.br/survey/index.php/772769?lang=en Thank you very much!!! Um abraço, Moisés. -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Fwd: Information Cultures in the Digital Age
Pedro, undoubtedly is an excellent book! My supervisor is one of the authors and I followed the book edition. I can assure you it was done very carefully and that the authors were very well chosen. It is a well-deserved tribute to the great scientist, philosopher and friend Rafael. By the way, it has to do with Rafael's birthday, but I will not reveal the age :-) Regards Moisés 2016-07-25 8:34 GMT-03:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>: > Dear FIS Colleagues, > > I think this new book to appear celebrating our colleague Rafael Capurro > can be of interest. > > Best--Pedro > > -- > > > New book to be published by Springer in July 2016. > *Information Cultures in the Digital Age: A Festschrift in Honor of Rafael > Capurro *(Edited by Matthew Kelly & Jared Bielby) > > For several decades Rafael Capurro has been at the forefront of defining > the relationship between information and modernity through both > phenomenological and ethical formulations. In exploring both of these > themes Capurro has re-vivified the transcultural and intercultural > expressions of how we bring an understanding of information to bear on > scientific knowledge production and intermediation. Capurro has long > stressed the need to look deeply into how we contextualize the information > problems that scientific society creates for us and to re-incorporate a > pragmatic dimension into our response that provides a balance to the > cognitive turn in information science. > > With contributions from 35 scholars from 15 countries,* Information > Cultures in the Digital Age* focuses on the culture and philosophy of > information, information ethics, the relationship of information to > message, the historic and semiotic understanding of information, the > relationship of information to power and the future of information > education. This Festschrift seeks to celebrate Rafael Capurro’s important > contribution to a global dialogue on how information conceptualisation, use > and technology impact human culture and the ethical questions that arise > from this dynamic relationship. > > The Editors: Matthew Kelly is a scholar at Curtin University’s Department > of Information Studies and at the International Institute for > Hermeneutics. Jared Bielby currently serves as Co-Chair for the > International Center for Information Ethics and Editor for the > International Review of Information Ethics. > More information at www.infoculturesbook.com > > > - > > > _______ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] FIS Survey for PhD research.
Pedro, thank you for introducing my PhD Survey <http://moisesandre.com.br/survey/index.php/772769?lang=en> to the members of FIS mailing list. Dear FISers. I've been following the discussions in FIS mailing list since February 2015. The content of the discussions are very important to my research. The aim of this survey is to collect some data about you, your research and your ideas about Information and Information Science. The link to survey is: <http://moisesandre.com.br/survey/index.php/772769?lang=en> http://moisesandre.com.br/survey/index.php/772769?lang=en It takes about 15 minutes to answer the questions. Thank you very much! Kind regards, Moisés André Nisenbaum More information about my PhD research (same text is on the first page of survey) Project Title: Interdisciplinarity between Physics and Information Science Researcher: Moisés André Nisenbaum – Phone: +55(21)994395779 - e-mail: moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br Institution: Instituto Brasileiro de Informação em Ciência e Tecnologia (IBICT), in partnership with Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro (UFRJ) Dear Researcher, We are asking you to consider taking part in the research study Interdisciplinarity between Physics and Information Science supervised by Dr. Lena Vania Ribeiro Pinheiro – PhD (IBICT/UFRJ) and Dr. Jose Abdalla HELAYEL - Neto – PhD (CBPF). The aim of this Project is to investigate words, expressions and methods of Physics that are present in scientific communications of Information Science. One of the Project’s sources of data will be this survey with members of Foundations of Information Science (FIS) mailing list. Your participation is voluntary and consists of answering questions on this online survey. It will take between 15 - 20 minutes. Your responses will be confidential and all data will be stored in a password-protected electronic database. Survey results will be part of my PhD thesis, and will be presented at conferences and published in scientific journals. Thank you very much. Moisés André Nisenbaum (PhD Candidate at IBICT/UFRJ) 2016-07-22 13:05 GMT-03:00 PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ < pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>: > > Dear FIS Colleagues, > > A member of our list, Moises Andre Nisenbaum, is investigating for his PhD > the interdisciplinary links between Physics and Information Science. One of > the data sources of his empirical research is the FIS mailing list itself. > Because of this, he wants to directly ask list members, as well as filling > in a questionnaire. Would you help him to make this request? He will > publish the directions in the list. > > Thanks in advance, > > --Pedro > > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] What is Information? - Propagating Organization in the Biosphere, the Symbolosphere, the Technosphere and the Econosphere
Hi, Bob. It is an awesome book! I read the Portuguese version. I am happy to know that it is available online for everyone :-) Kind regards. Moisés 2016-06-15 18:21 GMT-03:00 Bob Logan <lo...@physics.utoronto.ca>: > Dear FIS colleagues - I received three complimentary emails re my paper, > Propagating Organization: An Enquiry, the paper I wrote with Stuart > Kauffman and others and which I shared with the list. As a result I > thought some of you might be interested in the book I wrote based on that > paper entitled *What is Information? - Propagating Organization in the > Biosphere, the Symbolosphere, the Technosphere and the Econosphere *with > a foreword written by Terry Deacon. > > The ebook version of the books available for free at demopublishing.com. > Please feel free to have a look at it and grab a copy of it - Thanks - Bob > Logan > > > __ > > Robert K. Logan > Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto > Fellow University of St. Michael's College > Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD > http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan > www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan > www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert_Logan5/publications > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] "Mechanical Information" in DNA
Hi, John. It is amazing!! I would like to highlight the word "constraints" at the caption of the DNA diagram (http://phys.org/news/2016-06-layer-dna.html) "The rigid base-pair model is forced, using 28 *constraints *(indicated by red spheres), into a lefthanded superhelical path that mimics the DNA conformation in the nucleosome. Credit: Leiden Institute of Physics" The same word is used by Bob Logan and Stuart Kauffman to relate mechanical concepts with 'information' (http://philpapers.org/rec/KAUPOA) Could it have any parallel between these two approaches? Also, you usually think "DNA" associated with Biological Sciences, but this research is made at Leiden Institute of *Physics*! Of course, to work current (complex, innovative) science you must have an interdisciplinary approach. Abraço. Moisés 2016-06-08 16:40 GMT-03:00 John Collier <colli...@ukzn.ac.za>: > A previously hypothesized “second layer” of information in DNA may have > been isolated. > > > > http://phys.org/news/2016-06-layer-dna.html > > > > John Collier > > Professor Emeritus and Senior Research Associate > > University of KwaZulu-Natal > > http://web.ncf.ca/collier > > > > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Shouldn't we talk in FIS about LIGO and Gravitational Waves experimental measures and informational consequences?
Dear FISers. Yesterday LIGO ( Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory) announced, for the first time, the detection of Gravitational Waves predicted by Einstein 100 years ago. Wouldn't be Gravitational Waves a good discussion in FIS? We all know that regular waves can carry information. Can gravitational waves carry information? Which kind? Panelists (I saw some videos) say that "gravitational waves carry information about astronomical phenomena never before observed by human". The question is: is it possible to "modulate" some information in gravitational waves? I found at Scopus 17 articles containing "information" and "gravitational waves" in title, so I think that people are working around this... I think that it is a very important moment in history of science and it is extremely related with 'information'. Surely we have colleagues (specialists) in FIS that can share interesting thoughts about this theme. I talked with Pedro about, and he agree we may have a discussion about after two that are scheduled. So, this message is not for starting a discussion. It is only to register this fabulous new way that, we have now, to 'listen' the universe. Links: http://www.ligo.org/news/media-advisory.php https://ligo.caltech.edu/ https://www.advancedligo.mit.edu/ http://www.ligo.org/ https://www.ligo.org/partners.php Um abraço! Moisés -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Communication between quarks – pragmatical point of view
en for the later emergence of superorganisms, peaking order, >>> memes, etc. You have oceans of interacting fermions and bosons >>> around, but the new communicating phenomenology is only found in >>> our minuscule planet. >>> >>> As an explanatory metaphor, it is not a good idea, almost wrong I >>> dare say. But as a free-wheeling, literary metaphor it belongs to >>> the author's choice. The problem is that both realms of >>> information, so to speak, have relatively overlapping components, >>> depending on the explanatory framework used (see the ongoing >>> exchanges by Stan, John, Terry, etc.) And that kind of apparent >>> homogenization blurs the effort to establish the distinctions and >>> advance in a unifying perspective (I think!!). In any case, it >>> deserves more discussion. In your Jan. 14th message you ad more >>> elements--I will think twice!. >>> >>> All the best--Pedro >>> >>> PS. Clarifying the two messages per week rule (responding to >>> offline quests): the two messages should be counted along the >>> "international business week": starting on Monday until the end of >>> Sunday, Greenwich Time. Thanks to all for respecting this >>> "boundary condition"! >>> >>> >> >> -- >> - >> Pedro C. Marijuán >> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group >> Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud >> Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) >> Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X >> 50009 Zaragoza, Spain >> Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818) >> pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es >> http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ >> - >> >> ___ >> Fis mailing list >> Fis@listas.unizar.es >> http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >> >> > > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Cho 2016 The social life of quarks
Hi, Bob. I like very much your analogies and metaphors. This is a characteristic of interdisciplinary scholars :-) Rainer Bromme wrote a very intersting chapter in "Practice Interdisciplinarity" book about the psychology cognitive of Interdisciplinarity. And I agree when he say "The discourse of interdisciplinarity enphasizes the role of metaphors to explain how new insights can arise from the interaction between different perspectives". And this is happening many times in FIS list. All the best. And thanks all for the very interesting discussions in 2016. -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Rio de Janeiro moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br. 2016-01-16 13:59 GMT-02:00 Bob Logan <lo...@physics.utoronto.ca>: > Stan et al - you honour me by asking the question. We know that matter > (and here I do not include dark matter or dark energy) is made up of a > small number of quarks and gluons. As we go higher and higher energy we > will continue to create these "freaks of nature" freaks in the sense that > we create the conditions for them to come into existence using our high > energy colliders. I am sure they sometimes occur naturally in stars from > time to time but they do not have any long term effects - they are a > passing fancy, a novelty, and an amusing one at that. Perhaps they will > help us understand the quark gluon interaction. The analogy I see with the > transition from prokaryotes to eukaryotes that I sent to Malcolm was my > indulging in scientific based poetry. BTW I teach an undergrad course since > 1971 called the Poetry of Physics (also the title of a book available on > Amazon) to teach physics to humanities students without using math to > promote science literacy among humanists. > > Another analogy that came to mind was that of proliferation of nucleic > acids made up of the same 4 elements: C, G, A, and T. They are the quarks > of biology and their chemical bonds the gluons. > > Metaphorically your - Bob Logan > __ > > Robert K. Logan > Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto > Fellow University of St. Michael's College > Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD > http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan > www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan > www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert_Logan5/publications > > On 2016-01-16, at 10:33 AM, Stanley N Salthe wrote: > > One way to complicate anything is to smash it into bits. I wonder, Bob, > if you would comment on this point as a former particle physicist! > > STAN > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Malcolm Dean <malcolmd...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Yes. I don't know enough about Biology, but I noticed the 3+2 business >> some time ago. I'm automatically suspicious of theories which are "vexingly >> complex" (QCD) and only "beautiful" (String Theory) to a few people with >> certain math backgrounds. But the Two and the Three have been important to >> humans for thousands of years. I think Nature is actually very simple, but >> we get overwhelmed and confused by its enormous scales and by our attempts >> to manage observation by (necessarily) creating over-simplified Objects. >> >> M. >> >> *Malcolm Dean* >> *Member*, Higher Cognitive Affinity Group, BRI >> <http://www.bri.ucla.edu/research/affinity-groups/higher-cognitive-function-in-neural-integration-affinity-group> >> *Research Affiliate*, Human Complex Systems, UCLA >> <http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Malcolm_Dean> >> *Member*, BAFTA/LA <http://baftala.org/> >> *On Google Scholar >> <http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ZopY3eQJ=en>* >> >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Bob Logan <lo...@physics.utoronto.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> eukaryote came about by two prokaryotes joining together and 5 quark >>> combo can be thought of as a nucleon (3 quarks) and a meson(2quarks) >>> combining and the 4 quqrk state as 2 mesons combining. By this logic >>> perhaps there will be 6 quark beast if 2 nucleons combine. >>> >> >>> >>> On 2016-01-15, at 4:17 PM, Malcolm Dean wrote: >>> >>> Could you specify the relata? >>> >>> Malcolm >>> On Jan 15, 2016 5:31 AM, "Bob Logan" <lo...@physics.utoronto.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Malcolm - thanks for this article that supports my notion that my >>>> former field of particle physics is becoming like biology. The 4 and 5 >>>> quark combos represent an analogy of the transition in biology from >>>> prokaryotes to eukaryotes. :-) - B
Re: [Fis] 5 momenta - results of counting messages
Thank you, Pedro. Of course a complete analysis of all FIS message would be fantastic, but it is almost impossible (at least without AI) :-) But I certainly will do Bibliometric quantitative and qualitative measures on FIS list in my PhD Thesis. For that, a categorization is very important and the 5 momenta was a first step. I agree that Information Science is in constant evolution (or even in a paradigmatic change) and FIS discussions must take this into account. About the 'The Information Universe' Conference, is very good to see a new Physics area (Physics of Information) growing. Marcus said: "tagging by the author would be preferred, and even better if tagging was part of the posting process (but not available with the software used)." Yes, the spreadsheet was blocked, I am sorry for that. But now the link to edit the spreadsheet is working fine: https://docs.google.com/a/moisesandre.com.br/spreadsheets/d/1u6uOsVMvpMUKxzzdufNXhv2vItHE3LtgF-O_zn9m2oI/edit?usp=sharing Um abraço Moisés. . 2015-11-06 9:42 GMT-02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>: > Dear Moises and FIS Colleagues, > > Thanks a lot for the curious exploration. On the one side, it is "normal" > finding such results in a session more or less devoted to the info locality > topic --what results would be obtained by peering into the whole discussion > sessions ( starting in 1998! See: > http://fis.sciforum.net/fis-discussion-sessions/ ). On the other side, I > do not know whether it is too early to try to reify the momentum term with > ad hoc measurements. But, yes, measurement should be used to clarify this > nebulous idea, as it was just a metaphor stemming in the middle of > something else. That there are strategic topics withing those fields below > that should be realigned from the perspective of a nascent or renewed > information science looks clear. Or stated otherwise, important > "communicational" and "compositional" items in quite different entities > might participate in a new info synthesis. The problem, and so the need of > an "itinerary" is that they influence mutually and a series of successive > visits or iterative attempts are needed for their coherent alignment. This > necessary change of directions seems to justify the momentum metaphor. For > instance, as an example in social science, it is curious that the > genotype-phenotype-sociotype triad has been proposed independently by two > authors (Elliot Berry and myself). Although with interesting differences, > the sociotype construct we propose, covering both the relational structure > of bonds and the communicative dynamics of each individual within the > social environment, is pregnant with informational contents. Other similar > topics in different fields would clearly surface as strategic info momenta. > > By the way, a highly interesting conference on information has taken place > recently. See: http://physics.aps.org/articles/v8/103 (courtesy of > Malcolm Dean.) *"Scientists Meet in the Information Universe: An > innovative conference in the Netherlands brought together scientists from > diverse backgrounds to reflect on the ways information shapes > communication, science, and perhaps even nature itself." *Big figures of > Physics (Hooft, Fredkin...), cosmology and other scientific branches have > participated. Quite interesting but, in the light of recent messages, allow > me please this closing statement: "when the emphasis in Instrumenta becomes > Impedimenta... " > > All the best--Pedro > > > > Moisés André Nisenbaum wrote: > > Hi, dear FISers. > I finished to classify and count the messages in last discussion topic. > It was 72 messages from sep/09 to oct/18. > I tagged each message in one or more momenta: > 1) Philosophy (PHIL) > 2) Biomolecular (primordials of life and cellular organization) (BIO) > 3) Organismic and the Neuronal (evolutionary outcomes) (ORG) > 4) Human Sociality (up to social complexity) (SOC) > 5) Communication and Information (IC) > > The results are the sum of tags below: > 1)PHIL 2)BIO 3)ORG 4)SOC 5)IC 6)Other 32 4 16 7 8 5 > > All the data and a graph are available at: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u6uOsVMvpMUKxzzdufNXhv2vItHE3LtgF-O_zn9m2oI/pubhtml > > Tagging was my interpretation. Of course authors tagging is better. If you > want to change your posts tagging, just access: > > https://docs.google.com/a/moisesandre.com.br/spreadsheets/d/1u6uOsVMvpMUKxzzdufNXhv2vItHE3LtgF-O_zn9m2oI/edit?usp=sharing > P.S. Be sure to change only YOUR posts tags. > > Um abraço! > > -- > Moisés André Nisenbaum > Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. > Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ > Campus Maracanã > moise
[Fis] 5 momenta - results of counting messages
Hi, dear FISers. I finished to classify and count the messages in last discussion topic. It was 72 messages from sep/09 to oct/18. I tagged each message in one or more momenta: 1) Philosophy (PHIL) 2) Biomolecular (primordials of life and cellular organization) (BIO) 3) Organismic and the Neuronal (evolutionary outcomes) (ORG) 4) Human Sociality (up to social complexity) (SOC) 5) Communication and Information (IC) The results are the sum of tags below: 1)PHIL2)BIO3)ORG4)SOC5)IC6)Other32416785 All the data and a graph are available at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u6uOsVMvpMUKxzzdufNXhv2vItHE3LtgF-O_zn9m2oI/pubhtml Tagging was my interpretation. Of course authors tagging is better. If you want to change your posts tagging, just access: https://docs.google.com/a/moisesandre.com.br/spreadsheets/d/1u6uOsVMvpMUKxzzdufNXhv2vItHE3LtgF-O_zn9m2oI/edit?usp=sharing P.S. Be sure to change only YOUR posts tags. Um abraço! -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Five Momenta
Dear Francesco. It was a misunderstanding. The word "weak" in frase " 4th and 5th momenta are weak in FIS discussions." has a quantitative (not qualitative) meaning. In statistical context "weak" means "few times". It is not my intention to qualify the discussions, I want to count them. :-) You will see when I publish the results. All the best. Moisés 2015-10-29 11:52 GMT-02:00 Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.ri...@gmail.com>: > Caro Moises Andrè e Cari Tutti, > resto sorpreso del fatto che si ritenga debole la discussione sulle > scienze sociali. Soprattutto in questi ultimi anni ho comunicato di avere > inventato una "Nuova economia" basata proprio sulla terna semiotica della > significazione, dell'informazione e della comunicazione. Addirittura il Fis > dibattito serrato e avvincente sul processo di tras-informazione o sul > triangolo dei tre surplus (neg-entropia naturale e termodinamica, > ecobiologica e semiotico-semantica) si ritrova su Internet(google). Mentre > una dozzina di volte, se non di più, ho dichiarato che la mia teoria del > valore si fonda sulla legge dell'informazione. Per non parlare dei miei > numerosissimi libri che ho citato. L'unica attenuante nei confronti di chi > esprime giudizi così ingiusti è che io uso la lingua italiana. Ma di questo > non mi vergogno nè mi vanto;. è sempre goliardico il mio modo di > partecipare alla discussione cercando di tener conto delle altre scienze e > del loro linguaggio per quanto m'è possibile e riconoscendo la dignità > scientifica di molti dei Vostri interventi. > Saluti. > Francesco Rizzo. > > 2015-10-29 10:45 GMT+01:00 Moisés André Nisenbaum < > moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br>: > >> Hi, Pedro. >> Hi, FISers. >> >> I understand that Pedro proposed a discussion about the discussions, and >> I think it is very necessary. >> There are more than contents in this list, the structure and directions >> of the discussions are also important. After all, one of the main >> objectives of Information Science is to analyze Scientific Communications >> (I consider FIS messages informal scientific communications). So, I am very >> interested in this "pause" to discuss discussions. >> >> Permit to make an analogy. The term "momentum" is used in Physics to >> express the amount of movement (*p* = m.*v*). Velocity (*v*) >> representing not only speed but also direction and mass representing the >> inertia. To change the momentum, you will need force (*F* = d*p*/dt), so >> it is to change the momentum of a discussion. Depending on the inertia of >> discussion, it can be difficult. As Pedro said, the momenta must be >> "aligned": same direction --> more impulse --> we can go farther in less >> time. >> So, Pedro classified the discussions in five momenta (categories or tags): >> 1) Philosophy >> 2) Biomolecular (primordials of life and cellular organization) >> 3) Organismic and the Neuronal (evolutionary outcomes) >> 4) Human Sociality (up to social complexity) >> 5) Communication and Information >> >> Pedro is claiming that 4th and 5th momenta are weak in FIS discussions. >> I am doing now a little essay tagging the messages of the last discussion >> "Information and Locality". I will count them and see if this unbalanced >> momenta is true. >> Soon I will publish here the results. >> >> All the best. >> Moisés >> >> >> 2015-10-20 13:31 GMT-02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>: >> >>> Dear FISers, >>> >>> In response to the recent philosophical exchanges, and curiously waiting >>> to see how Steven solves his final posts (Benjamin Peirce is such an >>> unjustly forgotten figure, not to speak about his arch-famous son), let me >>> try some new "tangent" on the ongoing debate... I see but five different >>> and interrelated "momenta" that should be aligned for the hypothetical >>> advancement of the common info field. The first one corresponds to >>> philosophy, as the critical playground where dissatisfaction with the >>> existing views should conduce to attempting more congenial new ways of >>> thinking. Unsolved problems of the sciences, when they are general and >>> affect several disciplines, easily generate philosophical debate--which can >>> be helpful to suggest new inroads. Saying clearly "nope" to some >>> philosophical and para-philosophical schools is quite valuable although it >>> easily generates irritation and obfuscation in the concerned parties (that >>&g
Re: [Fis] Five Momenta
Hi, Pedro. Hi, FISers. I understand that Pedro proposed a discussion about the discussions, and I think it is very necessary. There are more than contents in this list, the structure and directions of the discussions are also important. After all, one of the main objectives of Information Science is to analyze Scientific Communications (I consider FIS messages informal scientific communications). So, I am very interested in this "pause" to discuss discussions. Permit to make an analogy. The term "momentum" is used in Physics to express the amount of movement (*p* = m.*v*). Velocity (*v*) representing not only speed but also direction and mass representing the inertia. To change the momentum, you will need force (*F* = d*p*/dt), so it is to change the momentum of a discussion. Depending on the inertia of discussion, it can be difficult. As Pedro said, the momenta must be "aligned": same direction --> more impulse --> we can go farther in less time. So, Pedro classified the discussions in five momenta (categories or tags): 1) Philosophy 2) Biomolecular (primordials of life and cellular organization) 3) Organismic and the Neuronal (evolutionary outcomes) 4) Human Sociality (up to social complexity) 5) Communication and Information Pedro is claiming that 4th and 5th momenta are weak in FIS discussions. I am doing now a little essay tagging the messages of the last discussion "Information and Locality". I will count them and see if this unbalanced momenta is true. Soon I will publish here the results. All the best. Moisés 2015-10-20 13:31 GMT-02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>: > Dear FISers, > > In response to the recent philosophical exchanges, and curiously waiting > to see how Steven solves his final posts (Benjamin Peirce is such an > unjustly forgotten figure, not to speak about his arch-famous son), let me > try some new "tangent" on the ongoing debate... I see but five different > and interrelated "momenta" that should be aligned for the hypothetical > advancement of the common info field. The first one corresponds to > philosophy, as the critical playground where dissatisfaction with the > existing views should conduce to attempting more congenial new ways of > thinking. Unsolved problems of the sciences, when they are general and > affect several disciplines, easily generate philosophical debate--which can > be helpful to suggest new inroads. Saying clearly "nope" to some > philosophical and para-philosophical schools is quite valuable although it > easily generates irritation and obfuscation in the concerned parties (that > ingredient of "piquancy" also enlivens the debates). > > The second momentum would correspond to the biomolecular (primordials of > life and cellular organization). The third momentum would wrap around the > organismic and the neuronal (the evolutionary outcomes of multicellular > life up to advanced nervous systems). I think they are so obvious that do > not deserve further comment. > > The fourth momentum involves the roots of human sociality, up to the > historical development of social complexity. And the fifth momentum belongs > to the contemporary revolution around communication, information, etc. > These two social momenta are being egregiously forgotten in most of our > debates (not any more with the planned discussion sessions!) > > Unfortunately, none of those momenta --even looking too far away-- should > be left in the dark. Most of our discussions seem to deal with the > instrumental aspect, the math theories, constructs, and other knowledge > bodies that may help to characterize abstractly different structures and > dynamics where some classes of information seem to be involved. It is not > difficult to achieve some interesting results in those theoretical and > para-theoretical realms... but without connecting with some of those big > momenta, trying to ride on their impetus, it won't be significant. > A new multidisciplinary itinerary is needed--neither the piece meal nor > the continuous entanglement would work to achieve it. Personally I find > that the goal is very difficult. Too many things in too very disperse > realms have to be cohered... So the allure of this crazy story! > > All the best--Pedro > > -- > - > Pedro C. Marijuán > Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group > Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud > Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) > Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X > 50009 Zaragoza, Spain > Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818) > pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es > http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ > - > > __
Re: [Fis] Information and Locality Introduction
Steven Just to register. I watched all Khan Academy videos. They are awesome! I will use them with my students. Thank you. Best -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br 2015-09-09 19:13 GMT-03:00 Steven Ericsson-Zenith <ste...@iase.us>: > Dear List, > > This is the start of the next FIS discussion. And this is the first of > several emails kicking the discussion off and divided into logical parts so > as not to confront the reader with too many ideas and too much text at once. > > The subject is one that has concerned me ever since I completed my PhD in > 1992. I came away from defending my thesis, essentially on large scale > parallel computation, with the strong intuition that I had disclosed much > more concerning the little that we know, than I had offered either a > theoretical or engineering solution. > > For the curious, a digital copy of this thesis can be found among the > reports of CRI, MINES ParisTech, formerly ENSMP, > http://www.cri.ensmp.fr/classement/doc/A-232.pdf, it is also available as > a paper copy on Amazon. > > Like many that have been involved in microprocessor and instruction > set/language design, using mathematical methods, we share the physical > concerns of a generation earlier, people like John Von Neumann, Alan > Turing, and Claude Shannon. In other words, a close intersection between > physical science and machine engineering. > > So I wish to proceed as follows, especially since this is a cross > disciplinary group: > > First identify a statement of the domain, what is it that I, in > particular, speak of when we use the term “Information.” I will clarify as > necessary. I will then discuss the issue of locality, what I think that > issue is and why it is a problem. Here we will get into several topics of > classical discussion. I will briefly present my own mathematics for the > problem in an informal yet rigorous style, reaching into the foundations of > logic. > > I will then discuss some historical issues in particular referencing > Benjamin Peirce, Albert Einstein and Alan Turing. And finally discuss the > contemporary issues, as I see them, in biophysics, biology, and associated > disciplines, reaching into human and other social constructions, perhaps > touching on cosmology and the extended role of information theory in > mathematical physics. > > This will seem very broad but in all cases I will focus upon the issues of > locality they each present. > > Before my preparations for these discussions I surveyed existing > pedagogical work to see how our science is currently presented and I came > across the Khan Academy video series on Information Theory, authored by > Brit Cruise. > > As flawed as I find this work, it is none-the-less an adequate place for > us to start and to build upon. It does a good job in briefly presenting the > work of Claude Shannon and others, in its second part on Modern Information > Theory. > > I especially encourage advanced readers to take the few minutes it will > take to review the Origin of Markov Chains, A Mathematical Theory of > Communication, Information Entropy, Compression Codes and Error Correction > to set the field and ensure that we are on the same page. You may also find > the final video on SETI work interesting, it will be relevant as we proceed. > > You can review these short videos on YouTube and here: > > https://www.khanacademy.org/computing/computer-science/informationtheory > > or here: > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbg3ZX2pWlgKDVFNwn9B63UhYJVIerzHL > > I invite you to review these videos as the context for my next posting > that will be a discussion of what is good about this model, locality, and > what is, I now argue, fundamentally missing or wrong headed. > > Pedro, at the end of this I will aggregate these parts for the FIS wiki. > > Regards, > Steven > > -- > Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith, Los Gatos, California. +1-650-308-8611 > http://iase.info > > > > ___ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos
Dear Fernando and Luis. Thank you for the excellent article with innovative and consistent ideas. I am specifically interested in its interfaces with physics. When you talked about Conservation of Information (page 28) did you ever though about some analogies with symmetries (i.e. Noether’s Theorem)? Best. Moisés 2015-07-22 9:33 GMT-03:00 Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es: * The informational foundation of the act* *Fernando Flores* Lund University fernando.flo...@kultur.lu.se *Luis de-Marcos* University of Alcalá luis.demar...@uah.es *See the whole text at: http://fis.sciforum.net/resources/ http://fis.sciforum.net/resources/* Our introducing paper (35 pages) presents a theory that quantifies the informational value of human acts. We argue that living is functioning against entropy and following Erwin Schrödinger we call this tendency “negentropy”. Negentropy is for us the reason behind “order” in social and cultural life. Further, we understand “order” as the condition that the world reaches when the informational value of a series of acts is low. Acting is presented as a set of decisions and choices that create order and this is the key concept of our understanding of the variation from simplicity to complexity in human acts. The most important aim of our theory is to measure non-economic acts trying to understand and explain their importance for society and culture. In their turn such a theory will be also important to understand the similarities and differences between non-economic and economic acts. We follow the classical concept according to which informational value is proportional to the unlikelihood of an act. To capture the richness of the unlikelihood of human acts we use the frequency theory of probability developed by Ludwig von Mises and Karl Popper. Frequency theory of probability allows us to describe a variety of acts from the must most “free” to the least “free” with respect to precedent acts. In short, we characterize human acts in terms of their degree of freedom trying to set up a scale of the information and predictability carried out in human decisions. A taxonomy of acts is also presented, categorizing acts as destructive, mechanical, ludic or vital, according to their degree of freedom (complexity). A formulation to estimate the informational value in individual and collective acts follows. The final part of the paper presents and discuss the consequences of our theory. We argue that artifacts embed information and that modernization can be understood as a one-way process to embed acts of high levels of complexity in simple devices. However, our theory assumes that the total amount of information in the social and cultural world is constant and that Modernity only enables us to redistribute our informational potential. We also advocate for the development of a new science named “agnumetry”, the science that quantify Modernity, measuring the obsolescence of an environment (from agnumy the Greek word for “break”). In our study of human acts we found that acting can also be classified as productive, consumptive and as acts of exchange or economical. The informational value of acts can be the expression of any or all of these acting forms. We outline the relation between the informational value of production and the informational value of consumption (which we call “operative information”), and conclude that these acts define the non-economic value. Sometimes, and depending on the social level of informational value, the acts of exchange emerge defining the informational value of an item at the market, an informational value that assumes the shape of “price” justifying the use of money. -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 ( 6818)pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.eshttp://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ - ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Concluding the Session on the Great Domains - brief analysis
Hi, Pedro. I think that your and Raquel's work on historic organization of FIS discussion is very important to all FISers. Thank you very much for this (hard) work, and if you need any help, you can count on me :-) Bibliometric studies on FIS list will be part of my PhD research and I hope I can interview FIS members (as I did with Bob - it was an amazing interview!) to add qualitative data to this measurements. About collective intelligence, it reminds me Pierre Levy's book Collective Intelligence: Mankind's Emerging World in Cyberspace (1997) that explain what is his definition Collective Intelligence and some developments. His article From social computing to reflexive collective intelligence: The IEML research program (2010) in Information Sciences journal proposes a Information Economy MetaLanguage to work with Collective Intelligence concept. It is a very interesting subject, but unfortunately I didn't have time to read much about. About the crisis on creative thought and deep interdisciplinary engagement, in my opinion is because science today (as many other things) is always in a hurry. Researches are where the money is. And money wants results as fast as possible. But there are good initiatives, like this list and ArXiv for example, that is working against this system. Best, Moisés References: LÉVY, Pierre. Collective Intelligence: Mankind’s Emerging World in Cyberspace. Cambrigde, Mass.: Perseus Books, 1997. LÉVY, Pierre. From social computing to reflexive collective intelligence: The IEML research program. Information Sciences, v. 180, n. 1, p. 71-94, 2010. 2015-07-10 8:30 GMT-03:00 Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es: Dear Moises, Ken, and FIS colleagues, First of all, thanks to you two for chairing the discussion session. Also, for a different matter, to Raquel del Moral. She has been working with me in the complete archive of fis messages and recapitulating the whole fis discussion-sessions celebrated (starting by the the virtual conference long ago, in 1998). It is a big novelty in the fis webpage. Please, have a glance at: http://fis.sciforum.net/fis-discussion-sessions/ Hopefully it will allow quite many future bibliometric studies... A closer relationship between classical information/library science and a renewed information science as was attempted in the session is important. Organizing the stock of accumulated knowledge in this epoch of multidisciplinarity, of instant data access, of increasing research complexity, of pervasive big data, of massive innovation, etc. should imply new thinking styles and a new reflection on the individual mind versus the aggregate system of collective intelligence. Unfortunately I do not see much advancement in that matter --even the opposite. The talk about the global brain is superficial at best. The attentional saturation of the social environment during the last decade is strongly diminishing the individual capabilities for really creative thought and deep interdisciplinary engagement (for instance, less and less interesting new books). The dangers inherent in the mechanization of knowledge, as was warning a celebrated essay by Harold Innis (McLuhan's mentor), could become real in our time. So, if the above lamentations have a grain of truth, we have not much succeeded in the ongoing discussion. If the new mission of library science, hand to hand with the new information science, should also include the qualitative thinking on the social and institutional conditions for advancement of knowledge in its widest sense (humanist too), we have a lot of pending work to do. I hope not to be sounding pessimistic! I was motivated by some recent comment of an Indian researcher (Sunita Narain) on waste management: the key obstacle is that everyday challenges are not top priorities for research and innovation. Indian science has always been fascinated by the 'masculine' agendas of space and genetics, not reinventing the toilet. Instead, science must meet the needs of poor people. We need to devise ways to prevent pollution rather than cleaning it up afterwards. Indian research has to be more humble, nimble and investigative... India's ambition should be to become front-runner in the race to save the planet. (Nature 2015, vol. 521, pp:155) Best--Pedro Moisés André Nisenbaum wrote: Dear FIS Colleagues, First, I want to thank Pedro and everyone the opportunity to introduce, participate and observe the development of debate “THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL?” I spent the last days documenting the posts related to this discussion. On this basis, I will present some numbers and comments about these rich discussions. -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
[Fis] Concluding the Session on the Great Domains - brief analysis
Dear FIS Colleagues, First, I want to thank Pedro and everyone the opportunity to introduce, participate and observe the development of debate “THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL?” I spent the last days documenting the posts related to this discussion. On this basis, I will present some numbers and comments about these rich discussions. 1) The debate has 114 posts in 26 subjects. The subjects were grouped by similarity and the count is shown in the table below. Subject # of posts THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL? 26 It From Bit 26 Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies! 16 It-from-Bit and information interpretation of QM 12 FIS newcomer 11 What are information and science? 7 Krassimir's Notes . . . 6 QM and information 2 We have different “fen clubs” depending of sympathy to one or other definition of information 2 Ada Lovelace inspires a question: why are so few women in FIS list? 2 Concluding the Session on the Great Domains 1 Thinking Out Loud – a “meaning (-ful/less) continuum” 1 information as physical entity 1 Garfield 1955 - organizing metadata for scientific literature 1 *Totals* 114 Of course, the subject of debate had the highest number of posts. The topic It from bit, brought by Ken through a video, philosophical discussions about information was also of great interest. 2) 31 people participated in the debate. The number of each author posts and the number of times each one have been cited are in the table below: Post authors and cited Author Cited John Collier colli...@ukzn.ac.za 11 15 Loet Leydesdorff l...@leydesdorff.net 9 11 Marcus Abundis 55m...@gmail.com 9 10 Joseph Brenner joe.bren...@bluewin.ch 8 8 Ken Herold kher...@hamilton.edu 7 5 Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es 7 11 Francesco Rizzo 13francesco.ri...@gmail.com 6 2 Krassimir Markov mar...@foibg.com 5 6 Moisés André Nisenbaum moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br 5 8 Stanley N Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu 5 4 Steven Ericsson-Zenith ste...@iase.us 5 2 Xueshan Yan y...@pku.edu.cn 4 1 Andrei Khrennikov andrei.khrenni...@lnu.se 3 2 Emanuel Diamant emanl@gmail.com 3 4 Koichiro Matsuno cxq02...@nifty.com 3 5 Robert K. Logan lo...@physics.utoronto.ca 3 4 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be 2 2 Dai Griffiths dai.griffith...@gmail.com 2 1 Howard Bloom howlbl...@aol.com 2 3 Jeremy Sherman mindreadersdiction...@gmail.com 2 1 Jerry LR Chandler Jerry LR chandler_lr_chand...@me.com 2 1 Rafael Capurro raf...@capurro.de 2 6 Robert E. Ulanowicz u...@umces.edu 2 1 Srinandan Dasmahapatra s...@ecs.soton.ac.uk 2 2 Terrence W. DEACON dea...@berkeley.edu 2 2 Dino Buzzetti dino.buzze...@gmail.com 1 2 Günther Witzany witz...@sbg.at 1 0 Søren Brier sb@cbs.dk 1 0 Søren sb@cbs.dk 0 1 witzany witz...@sbg.at 0 2 *Totals* 114 122 The posts were very interesting. Despite the limitation of two messages per week, most of the participants contributed significantly. I believe that was many private messages, which unfortunately I did not have how to analyze. I had the opportunity to exchange a few private messages with Pedro, Ken, Bob, Capurro, Jhon, Loet and Joseph, and all was precious, thank you! 3) I also made a qualitative analysis of the posts that I will not bring here because it is very extensive. In particular, the group brought several topics from physics. This physical --- information association is of great interest to my research (I study interdisciplinarity between physics and information science). If anyone is interested in the raw data this little analysis, just ask me. Thank you very much, Um abraço for all! Moisés -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
[Fis] Ada Lovelace inspires a question: why are so few women in FIS list?
Hi, Bob Thank you for presenting Ada Lovelace to the list. It was great the link you did with previous discussions. Hi, all. Have we ever had a discussion about why are so few women in FIS list? I was yesterday in a seminar that shows that it is a general problem in Science, especially in hard disciplines. But there are many women in Mathematics and Information Science fields, so I expected more women in FIS. This makes me remember the great speak of Neil Degrasse Tyson (3 min) on being Black and Women in Science (https://youtu.be/z7ihNLEDiuM). What do you think about it? All the best, -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Krassimir's Notes . . .
Hi, Howard. Answering your question hb: i'm a newcomer to these discussions. what is the fourth great domain of science? Might be useful also for who came in the FIS list after 2015 IS4IS Summit. The last discussion before the conference, was A Dialog on the Informational as the 4th Great Domain of Science. A copy of the post is in the end of this message. Based on a Pedros's paper and Rosenbloom's book we propose that all scientific disciplines could be a combination of 4 great scientific domains. We are looking for a method to verify that the informational is the 4th great domain. Maybe Loet's Maps of Science should be a good approach. Cheers Moisés -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br *A Dialog on the Informational as the 4th Great Domain of Science* *Moisés André Nisenbaum Ken Herold* *PART 1: **Informational as the 4th Great Domain of Science* (Moisés André Nisenbaum) To classify is human (BOWKER STAR 2000). The organization of scientific knowledge is concern of scientists long ago. It started as a matter of librarianship and has evolved over time using various tools like enumerative classification, faceted classification, universal classification, controlled vocabulary, thesaurus, ontologies, Semantic Web. But how Information Science should organize scientific knowledge taking into account the dynamic behavior of disciplines and multi, inter and trans-disciplinary science of the twenty-first century (Information Society)? Rosenbloom (2012) proposed a model in which four great Scientific Domains - Physical (P) Life (L), social (S) and Computing (C) - can becombined to form any discipline http://moisesandre.com.br/FIS/debate/images/rosembloom-figure-2.1-domains-composing-disciplines.jpg. The first three (P, L and S) are well known domains and he proposes that the 4th is Computing. The small number of domains (compared with 10 of DDC and UDC) is offset by dynamic http://moisesandre.com.br/FIS/debate/images/Rosenbloom-figure-2.9-relationships.jpg relationships http://moisesandre.com.br/FIS/debate/images/Rosenbloom-figure-2.2-domains-simple-relations.jpg between domains that can be written by Metascience Expression Language http://moisesandre.com.br/FIS/debate/images/Rosenbloom-table-2.1-ME-Language.jpg. Although the prerequisites of a Great Scientific Domain has been well developed, Rosenbloom does not explain why they are in number of four or why these specific four domains. NAVARRO, MORAL and Marijuan (2013) propose that the 4th Great Scientific Domain is the Informational (I) instead of Computing. However, the biggest proposal is that the Information Science needs to be rethought to support theoretically and methodologically this 4th Great Scientific Domain. At the end of the article, the authors propose the insertion of the four Great Scientific Domains http://moisesandre.com.br/FIS/debate/images/Map-Pedro.jpg in High-Resolution Map of Sciences (Bollen at all, 2009) http://moisesandre.com.br/FIS/debate/images/Map-Bollen.jpg The problem is that all this is still in its philosophical field and miss a more pragmatic approach. When I observed this map, I just thought about how to measure these four domains and, even without even knowing exactly how to do this, I asked Bollen the raw data of his research. My initial idea was to identify every scientific discipline by a mathematical entity, for example a digital 4x4 matrix representing quantitatively the four Great Scientific Domain components and their relationships. The problem how to establish the criteria (bibliometric) that would define the matrix elements. Once created, we can check if the matrices really come together as expected. Best, Moisés *References:* BOWKER, Geoffrey C.; STAR, Susan Leigh. Sorting things out: Classification and its consequences. MIT press, 2000. https://books.google.com.br/books?id=xHlP8WqzizYClpg=PR9ots=Mz3xtCt2nEdq=Sorting%20things%20out%3A%20Classification%20and%20its%20consequences.%20lrhl=pt-BRpg=PR9#v=onepageq=Sorting%20things%20out:%20Classification%20and%20its%20consequences.f=false ROSENBLOOM, Paul S. On computing: the fourth great scientific domain. MIT Press, 2012. https://books.google.com.br/books?id=WGfxkn8OkwAClpg=PP1dq=On%20computing%3A%20the%20fourth%20great%20scientific%20domain.%20google%20bookshl=pt-BRpg=PP1#v=onepageq=On%20computing:%20the%20fourth%20great%20scientific%20domain.%20google%20booksf=false NAVARRO, Jorge; MORAL, Raquel del; MARIJUÁN, Pedro C.. The uprising of informational: towards a new way of thinking Information Science. Presented at 1st International Conference in China on the Philosophy of Information, Xi’an, China, 18 October 2013. http://moisesandre.com.br/FIS/debate/articles/pedro-article.pdf BOLLEN, Johan et al. Clickstream data yields high-resolution maps of science. PLoS One, v. 4, n. 3, p. e4803, 2009. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article
Re: [Fis] Mutual Redundancies and Triple Contingencies among Perspectives on Horizons of Meaning
Thank you, Loet. This share is very important specially for me that could not go to conference. If possible, I ask for other colleagues to do the same :-). Loet, I am particularly interested in Measurement of Meaning. Did you write some paper about it? Is it something similar to your work on measuring interdisciplinarity (i.e. Leydesdorff, Loet, Félix Moya‐Anegón, and Vicente P. Guerrero‐Bote. Journal maps, interactive overlays, and the measurement of interdisciplinarity on the basis of Scopus data (1996–2012). Journal of the Association for Information Science and Technology (2014).)? Best, Moisés 2015-06-07 6:39 GMT-03:00 Loet Leydesdorff l...@leydesdorff.net: Dear colleagues, I uploaded my presentation entitled “*Mutual Redundancies and Triple Contingencies among Perspectives on Horizons of Meaning”* at the conference of International Society for Information Studies, Vienna, 3-7 June 2014; Session: Integration of the Philosophy of Information and Information Science, to: http://figshare.com/articles/Mutual_Redundancies_and_Triple_Contingencies_among_Perspectives_on_Horizons_of_Meaning/1439441 Best, Loet -- Loet Leydesdorff *Emeritus* University of Amsterdam Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR) l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/ Honorary Professor, SPRU, http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/University of Sussex; Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/, Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.htmlBeijing; Visiting Professor, Birkbeck http://www.bbk.ac.uk/, University of London; http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJhl=en ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL?
Physics students in Brazil do not read much about philosophy. They should read more :-). I remember I thought that the physical universe was entirely explained by mathematics. I found out later, for example, a huge number of mathematically possible universes. Then, I was then presented to the anthropic principle. The fact is that physicists has a tendency to believe only on what can be proven experimentally. I believe that it is not only a characteristic of Physics. In the case of Information Science, Bibliometrics have given an important part of its experimental proofs. The tool Loet presented in the 1st post is so simple to use that I decided to make a test. I searched the Web of Science for the word information in Titles of Scientific Articles and overlay this search on maps of of science (10 in 10 years). The results are: Video with images generated by VOSviwer: http://youtu.be/RWo4BL5pSds Video with images generated by Pajek: http://youtu.be/ivCYqg3VW4M My idea is to map a particular discipline on the four great domains: Physical, Life, Social and Informational. Any suggestion? -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 10, Issue 29
,
specify, identify
Reference, refer, referee, referential, infer, indicate, indicative, index,
point out,
Represent, stand for
Semiotics: icon, index, symbol
Language, concept, conceive, percept, perceive
Language, semantics, syntax, pragmatics, grammar, langue, parole (as
defined
by de Saussure)
Inspire; Inspiration;
Meaning, the mean, the means
Sentience
Cybernetics – Wiener - feedback
Medium; The medium is the message; The two messages of a medium: its
content
and its effect independent of its content - McLuhan.
Message
Communicate, communication, commune
Rhetoric; Context; The context of information helps define the meaning of a
communication or utterance; Feedforward – I. A. Richards, pragmatics
Figure/ground: The meaning, significance or the interpretation of a figure
depends on the ground. environment or surroundings it operates in - McLuhan
Umwelt innenwelt umgebung – Euxkull
One can apply the notion of umwelt to humans and each individual has their
own unique umwelt or context in which they percieve the world and conceive
their thoughts. Their innenwelt or self-oriented features shape their
umgebung or world-oriented features. Translating this into McLuhan speak
the
innenwelt is the ground and the umgebung is the figure from which I
conclude
it is the innenwelt that detrmines the interpretation of what is perceived
to form the umgebung, or world-oriented features.
Shannon information, sender, channel, receiver
Selective information versus structural information: “Mackay’s first move
was to rescue information that affected the receiver’s mindset from the
‘subjective’ label. He proposed that both Shannon and Bavelas were
concerned
with what he called Selective information, that is information calculated
by
considering the selection of message elements from a set. But selective
information alone is not enough; also required is another kind of
information that he called ‘structural.’ Structural information indicates
how selective information is to be understood; it is a message about how to
interpret a message—that is, it is a metacommunication (Hayles 1999a, pp.
54-55 cited by Logan 2014).” [bolding mine]
Shannon was not shannonian {He did not overdo the interpretation of
Shannonian entropy as did many advocates of information theory.
Understand, comprehend, apprehend, appreciate,
Respond, reply
Deixis (deictic) words that point, words and phrases that cannot be fully
understood without additional contextual information; a word whose meaning
is dependent on context
Words are woven together to form a text just as threads are woven to form a
textile, which usually refers to written communication. There is also the
notion that one spins a yarn, which describes oral communication.
Letters, literacy, literal
Data, Information, Knowledge, Wisdom: The relationship of data,
information,
knowledge and wisdom
“Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?” – TS Eliot
“Where is the meaning we have lost in information?” – RK Logan
“• Data are the pure and simple facts without any particular structure or
organization, the
basic atoms of information,
• Information is structured data, which adds meaning to the data and gives
it context and
significance,
• Knowledge is the ability to use information strategically to achieve
one's
objectives, and
• Wisdom is the capacity to choose objectives consistent with one's values
and within a larger social context (Logan 2014).”
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Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto
Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD
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Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11
Pedro, this image is strongly related to my research. My graduation and master degree was in Physics. But now I am in IS world through PhD program of IBICT/UFRJ in Brazil. As you, Jorge and Raquel said (Navarro, Moral, Marijuan, 2013), IS is about to become one of four great scientific domains. Don't you think that one of the greatest reasons of it is the (big) interdisciplinar nature of IS? (Saracevic, 1995). Interdisciplinarity is in IS's DNA :-) I am investigating some aspects of interdisciplinarity between IS and Natural Sciences (Physics, Chemistry and Biology) (inspired by Capurros's work http://www.capurro.de/infoconcept.html). Some questions of this research are: 1) why (or how) a natural scientist enters in IS world? What are their motivations?; 2) how strong this interdisciplinarity is? (inspired by Loet's works on the theme - for example, Leydesdorff, Rafols (2011)); 4) How the physical concepts of information are present in IS articles. I believe that inside FIS I will find many answers to my questions. By observation of Scientific Communication and Bibliometrics and of course, if I have the opportunity, by interviewing the members of FIS :-) I can say that in only few weeks of FIS I already have learned a lot :-) Best, Moises. Navarro, J.; Moral, R; Marijuan, P; Uprising of the Informational: Towards a New Way of Thinking In Information Science. Proceedings of the 1st International Conference on Philosophy of Information, Xi'an (2013) Saracevic, Tefko. Interdisciplinary nature of information science. Ciência da informação 24.1 (1995): 36-41. Leydesdorff, Loet, and Ismael Rafols. Indicators of the interdisciplinarity of journals: Diversity, centrality, and citations. Journal of Informetrics 5.1 (2011): 87-100. 2015-01-19 10:19 GMT-02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es: Thanks Moises, here it is --in case the list server suppresses the image again, the dropbox link below contains the image too (at the end of the philoinfo paper, belonging to the Proceedings of the Xian Conference, 2013). best ---Pedro https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wslnk41c3lquc55/AADpm_U6xuhm6jHK0esyN-29a?dl=0 *Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science*. The graphic shows the network of contemporary disciplines in the background (following Bollen *et al*., 2009); while the superimposed “four-leaf clover” represents the four great scientific domains: physical, biological, social, and informational. Moisés André Nisenbaum wrote: Hi, Pedro. I didnt receive th image (Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science) Would you please send it again? Thank you. Moises -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 ( 6818)pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.eshttp://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ - -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11
Hi, Pedro. I didnt receive th image (Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science) Would you please send it again? Thank you. Moises 2015-01-17 9:00 GMT-02:00 fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es: Send Fis mailing list submissions to fis@listas.unizar.es To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fis-requ...@listas.unizar.es You can reach the person managing the list at fis-ow...@listas.unizar.es When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Fis digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of reference significance (Pedro C. Marijuan) -- Mensagem encaminhada -- From: Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es To: 'fis' fis@listas.unizar.es Cc: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:43:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fis] Beginnings and ends---Steps to a theory of reference significance Dear Terry and FIS colleagues---and pirates, Just a brief reflection on the below. (From Terry's last message)... So my goal in this case is quite modest, and yet perhaps also a bit foolhardy. I want to suggest a simplest possible model system to use as the basis for formalizing the link between physical processes and semiotic processes. Perhaps someday after considerably elaborating this analysis it could contribute to issues of the psychology of human interactions. I hope to recruit some interest into pursuing this goal. In my view, any research endeavor is also accompanied by some ultimate goals or ends that go beyond the quite explicit disciplinary ones. In this case, say, about the destiny of the constructs that would surround the information concept (or the possibility of framing an informational perspective, or a renewed information science, or whatever), wouldn't it be interesting discussing in extenso what could that ultimate vision? I mean, most of us may agree in quite many points related to the microphysical ( thermodynamic) underpinning of information, as it transpires in the exchanges we are having--but where do we want to arrive finally with the construction activity? I tend to disagree with localist aims, even though at the time being they may look more prudent and parsimonious. Putting it in brief, too briefly!, and borrowing from Rosenbloom (P.S. 2013. On Computing: The Fourth Great Scientific Domain) the idea is that information science, properly developed and linked with computer science and mathematics, should constitute one of the Great Domains of contemporary science. The informational would go together with the physical, the biological, and the social: constituting the four great domains of science. See Figure below. Rather than attempting the construction of another average or standard discipline, information science is about the making out of one of the “great scientific domains” of contemporary knowledge. More cogent arguments could be elaborated on how to cover sceintifically the whole information world (human societies, behaving individuals, brain organization, cellular processes, biomolecules) and the problem of interlocking--crisscrossing a myriad of information flows at all levels. But the point is, ends, although unassailable, may be as much important as beginnings. Thanks in advance for the patience! ---Pedro *Figure 1. The Four Great Domains of Science*. The graphic shows the network of contemporary disciplines in the background; while the superimposed “four-leaf clover” represents the four great scientific domains. -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 ( 6818)pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.eshttp://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ - ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis -- Moisés André Nisenbaum Doutorando IBICT/UFRJ. Professor. Msc. Instituto Federal do Rio de Janeiro - IFRJ Campus Maracanã moises.nisenb...@ifrj.edu.br ___ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
