Re: [Fish-users] git-refresh - New oh-my-fish Plugin

[Myrddin Emrys]

Essentially, he wants this function to have git manage a folder the same
way Dropbox does, keeping them in sync automatically, in the background.
You're looking at it like a source repo; I suspect Niels is looking at this
from the point of view of automatic folder backup & sync (or, at least
using git in this way *also*, in addition to its normal usage).

Am I correct in this interpretation Niels, or am I incorrectly putting
words in your mouth?

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:07 PM Ralph Seichter 
wrote:

> * Niels Kobschätzki:
>
> > When you use more than 1 computer, then you need this [...]
>
> I should probably have put more emphasis on *automatic* in my previous
> message. I also do use more than one computer, but in the case of a
> single-user Git repository, I happen to know exactly when the last push
> happened on computer A and can easily remember to pull on computer B.
> Hence my question about a useful scenario. ;-)
>
> -Ralph
>
> P.S.: This discussion is quite off-topic in terms of Fish, and I hope
> we're not boring subscribers.
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Re: [Fish-users] first draft for fish article

[Myrddin Emrys]

Great article. I didn't read it all, but I did have one suggestion. You
cover aliases and abbreviations, then say that abbreviations are preferred.
If they are preferred, put them first; for the new learner, you should
always put the thing you want them to learn first, first. When struggling
with a new language it's no fun to learn one thing, then learn that there
is a better way to do it *after* you've struggled to learn the first.

Roughly equivalent to teaching someone 'thee' and 'thou' before explaining
that those are archaic and we generally use just 'you' now.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:40 PM Mark Volkmann 
wrote:

> Hello all! I've been working very hard on a long article that I hope can
> bring more attention to fish. I just started learning about fish about
> three months ago and have been documenting everything I've learned. I
> absolutely love it!
>
> It would be great if you could review this and give me feedback on any
> errors in the article or things that could be explained better. In some
> ways it is more of a reference guide and is quite long (34 pages), but it's
> no replacement for the excellent documentation that the main fish website
> already provides.
>
> You can find the article at https://mvolkmann.github.io/fish-article/.
>
> I am not advertising this elsewhere yet and want to keep it under wraps
> until I'm ready to announce the final version on 11/1. Of course I'd be
> glad to make updates after that date, but want it to be as good as possible
> by that date.
>
> Feel free to send me any feedback, no matter how minor.
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Re: [Fish-users] ridiculousfish

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Perhaps I'm confused, but it appears to me that asking the person directly,
by emailing the contact information right on their blog, is a better way to
contact someone regarding their identity that posting a question to an open
mailing list.

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wrote:

> I will do that if nobody can tell me their real name.
>
>
> R. Mark Volkmann
> Object Computing, Inc.
>
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Myrddin Emrys <myrd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nothing wrong with crediting "The user who goes by the online moniker
> 'ridiculousfish'." It's like 'the artist formerly known as Prince' and it's
> common practice in journalism.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mark Volkmann <r.mark.volkm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I want to know because I am writing a long article on the fish shell that
>> will be released on 11/1. It contains a section on the history and I would
>> like to credit that person by name.
>>
>>
>> R. Mark Volkmann
>> Object Computing, Inc.
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Mandeep Sandhu <mandeepsandhu@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The s/he is the benevolent dictator of this project, I presume.
>>
>> Why would you want to know anything more?
>>
>> -mandeep
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 5:28 AM, Mark Volkmann <r.mark.volkm...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Who is ridiculousfish?
>>> Perhaps that is a closely guarded secret.
>>> Google doesn't seem to know. ;-)
>>>
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Re: [Fish-users] ridiculousfish

[Myrddin Emrys]

Nothing wrong with crediting "The user who goes by the online moniker
'ridiculousfish'." It's like 'the artist formerly known as Prince' and it's
common practice in journalism.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mark Volkmann 
wrote:

> I want to know because I am writing a long article on the fish shell that
> will be released on 11/1. It contains a section on the history and I would
> like to credit that person by name.
>
>
> R. Mark Volkmann
> Object Computing, Inc.
>
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Mandeep Sandhu 
> wrote:
>
> The s/he is the benevolent dictator of this project, I presume.
>
> Why would you want to know anything more?
>
> -mandeep
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 5:28 AM, Mark Volkmann 
> wrote:
>
>> Who is ridiculousfish?
>> Perhaps that is a closely guarded secret.
>> Google doesn't seem to know. ;-)
>>
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Re: [Fish-users] bug in computing COLUMNS?

[Myrddin Emrys]

The reason is that very low sizes are two things:

* Don't work with fish.
* Often a terminal error.

Terminals that fail to report their size are not unusual. An easy way to
head off both problems is to use a default size (to mis-represent) when
it's likely that the terminal is lying to fish. Note that you have not ever
claimed that you wanted to actually use a sub-20 column terminal... you
just want to test it, so that you can make sure your code works well with
it. Rather than focusing on the odd behavior, can you instead describe a
use-case where sub-20 width terminal usage makes sense and has utility for
a class of users?

Because it sounds like you're asking developers to change how they've
programmed fish to deal with a problem. So if you want other people to work
out a more complicated solution to a problem, it's important to explain who
will benefit from that work. What type of user needs very narrow terminals?
How will they benefit from this work?

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:44 AM Greg Reagle  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017, at 10:20, Kurtis Rader wrote:
> > Fish won't work if COLUMNS is one or two either. As I said earlier I
> > don't recall now what the exact threshold is but I'm pretty sure it was
> > greater than ten. Similarly, it won't work if LINES is less than two. So
> > the actual threshold is not zero versus non-zero. Feel free to do some
> > experiments to determine the hard lower limit on COLUMNS and ask that it
> > be used as the hard lower bound rather than 20. Of course, that just
> > moves the goal posts slightly so it's not clear it really matters at the
> > end of the day. Fish will not work in a 1x1, 2x2, 5x2, or other similarly
> > sized terminals.
>
> But you're still not answering my question.  What is the advantage of
> *mis-representing* the size?  You say that fish will not work with a too
> small terminal.  Okay, what does that have to do with fish reporting
> that the terminal is 80x24 to *other programs*?  Does fish work better
> in a too small terminal when it pretends that the terminal is 80x24?  If
> no, what's the point?  If yes, can it pretend internally without
> mis-representing the size to other programs?
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Re: [Fish-users] bug in computing COLUMNS?

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The general reason for this is terminals that fail to correctly set a width
are more common that terminals less than 20 characters wide. I think the
current behavior (using a default width if the reported width seems
incorrect) will help more people than it hurts.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:45 AM Mark Volkmann 
wrote:

> I'm trying to make my fish_prompt function intelligent enough to handle
> any width.
> When wide enough, I'm outputting the current directory path and the Git
> branch if I'm in a Git repo.
> If the window too narrow to display all of that on one line, I display
> them on two lines.
> If the directory won't fit, I output the result of prompt_pwd instead.
> Below 20 columns I want to just display a fish icon.
> That's why I need to be able to detect whether the window is less than 20
> columns.
>
> I use tmux and sometimes have narrow panes from lots of splitting.
> Typically I won't have panes that narrow, but when I do I want to handle it
> and not just have a ">" prompt.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, David Adam 
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
>> > On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, at 14:52, Mark Volkmann wrote:
>> > > I'm working in iTerm2 on a Mac.
>> > > Entering "echo $COLUMNS" gives the correct value at most window
>> widths.
>> > > However, if the width is less than 20, it always reports 80.
>> >
>> > On OSX Sierra, with fish 2.6.0, I get the same as you. However if you
>> > try under Terminal.app you are unable to resize the terminal less than
>> > 20 columns anyway...
>> >
>> > On FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT & fish 2.5.0, things work as you'd expect.
>> > terminal is urxvt in i3wm.
>>
>> This behaviour was introduced in commit
>> 2be1288cacab7ddeee407d22e752b0a3bfa16e63 which is included in 2.6.0 (and
>> 2.6b1).
>>
>> Does anyone use a terminal less than 20 columns wide?
>>
>> David Adam
>> fish committer
>> zanc...@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
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Re: [Fish-users] fish transalation of the !! ?

[Myrddin Emrys]

I'm not at my computer, but you can use the history variable.

$ my_command $history[0]

I have not done this myself, so I can't remember if you should use
$history[1] instead. Not sure when the current command gets pushed into the
array.


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Yvon Thoraval yvon.thora...@gmail.comwrote:

 before switching to fish, from zsh, I've used a command like :
 $ my_command !!

 the !! being translated to last command line (as up key).

 is there a way to get last command line as argument of the current command
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Re: [Fish-users] math in fish

[Myrddin Emrys]

The syntax is consistent if you see that *math *expects one parameter. But
I agree the example could be clearer.

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Wai Yan Pong wypon...@gmail.com wrote:

 Torsten and Jon, thank you both.

 If you type help, all you get is the example math 1+1 (without quotes).
 Hum... so the example is misleading and the syntax is inconsistent.

 I hope these can be fixed in the next version.

 --Pong

 On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Jon Clayden jon.clay...@gmail.com wrote:
  It will work if you quote it:
 
  $ math '2*2'
  4
 
  All the best,
  Jon
 
 
  On 6 September 2012 15:27, Wai Yan Pong wypon...@gmail.com wrote:
  What is the syntax for multiplying two numbers using the math
  function in fish?
 
  Type math 1+1 at the prompt will give you 2, but neither * nor x seems
  to work for multiplication and I couldn't find any hints from the
  documentation.
 
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Re: [Fish-users] Hiding a command from history

[Myrddin Emrys]

Does that mean that you could easily create an alias to do it by creating
something of the effect of:

execute $foo; history --delete $foo

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM, ridiculous_fish 
corydo...@ridiculousfish.com wrote:

 Hi Gavin,

 There's no way to run a command with suppressed history yet. However, it
 is possible to delete a history item, via the history built-in (e.g.
 history --delete foo).

 Hope that helps,
 _fish

 On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Gavin Brock wrote:

  Hi,
 
  In some shells, such as bash, you can prevent a command that you are
 about to execute, or just executed, from appearing in shell history. Is
 there any similar ability in fish?
 
  I am looking for this because I am trying to make csshX fully fish
 compatible,  and the program sends commands to shells via applescript, and
 I don't want to pollute the users history.
 
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Re: [Fish-users] moving forward, what needs to be done

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There are always better things one can spend their time on... of course,
since this list is a pre-selected roster of geeks, wasting a few minutes
bantering about ascii-art is the normal-person equivalent of discussing the
latest football game. :-)

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 20:41, Robert Shinka k...@unknownlayer.net wrote:

 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:36:45AM -0500, Myrddin Emrys wrote:
   The problem with that logo, nice as it is, is that the  should be on
 the
   right (as the final prompt character) rather than the left.
   And as far as pretty prompts... I'm of the opinion that they are a waste
 of
   space overall, but I think that it would be a nice little thing to have
 on,
   perhaps, the first prompt shown on a new terminal (not every prompt,
 just the
   first).
 The only way I would be able to accept the presence of this in the
 actual shell and not just as a logo on the website is if the ascii art
 is only a part of the default $fish_greeting message.

 I still think there are better things we could be spending our time on
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Re: [Fish-users] moving forward, what needs to be done

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The problem with that logo, nice as it is, is that the  should be on the
right (as the final prompt character) rather than the left.

And as far as pretty prompts... I'm of the opinion that they are a waste of
space overall, but I think that it would be a nice little thing to have on,
perhaps, the first prompt shown on a new terminal (not every prompt, just
the first).

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 22:21, Philip Ganchev phil.ganc...@gmail.comwrote:

 One more try.


 *)~



 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Patrick Mc(avery 
 patr...@spellingbeewinnars.org wrote:
  Hi Philip
 
  I like the gills on this one,
 
  *)
 
  -Patrick
 
 
  On 11-07-08 07:56 PM, Philip Ganchev wrote:
 
  I am not opposed to a new logo, though I don't consider it important.
  There is no problem with someone having the trademark to the project's
  logo. If you do design a new logo, it might be cool to incorporate the
  Fish prompt, ~, into it. Or you can use other ASCII art:
 
  *)
 
  @
 
  *~
 
  Cheers,
  Philip
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Patrick Mc(avery
  patr...@spellingbeewinnars.org  wrote:
 
  Hi Terin, hi List
 
  I am afraid I don't know enough ruby to help.
 
  If Axel is done with us should we create another fish logo? I doubt he
  trademarked  fishshell but the fish shell logo is trademarked by
 default.
  I
  can create one and mail thumbnail photos to the list? It might take
 some
  time though. We should probably purge the project of liabilities, if
 not
  for
  anything else, then for Terin's sake as he is hosting it.
 
  -Patrick
 
 
  On 11-07-08 12:59 PM, Terin Stock wrote:
 
  It's a standard Linux stack. Right now the main site is static content.
  I'm
  currently working on migrating to Redmine
 
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  So I don't actually know who is in control of the mailing list? Is it
  Terin? He is in control of fishshell.com right? What is fishshell.com
  running on in terms of a framework or is it all static content? Is
 there
  anyway to help Terin with the site? once we have a wiki again I would
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Re: [Fish-users] sudo vs fish - have to re-enter password

[Myrddin Emrys]

Excellent work Korek. I personally have no idea what tty_tickets are either.
It sounds like a different way to record timestamps.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 07:52, Korek korek...@seznam.cz wrote:

  tty_tickets were causing the problem!

 Turned them off. Dunno what tty_tickets are exactly for, but it works fine
 now.
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598567

 Thx


 On 03/08/2011 02:41 PM, Korek wrote:

 Ok, a little more light into this:

 It does work both on LMDE and Debian Sqeeze (fresh install) in console.
 It does not work under gnome. (both systems)  ..now, It seems to be a
 serious problem.

 test@debian:~$ sudo ls
 [sudo] password for test:
 Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
 test@debian:~$ sudo ls
 Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
 test@debian:~$ fish
 Welcome to fish, the friendly interactive shell
 Type help for instructions on how to use fish
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 On 03/08/2011 12:55 PM, Korek wrote:

 I'm using Linux Mint DE  (based on Debian)  ... tried to boot from LiveDVD
 - it's the same.
 Tried to install Debian Squeeze in Virtualbox - it works.

 So there's something wrong with Mint. I've posted the question into Mint
 forums.

 Just for the record:
 http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141t=67878start=0

 Z

 On 03/07/2011 11:31 PM, Jan Kanis wrote:

 Check that fish and bash are both actually calling the sudo command
 directly, i.e. that there are not any functions/aliases for sudo. If both
 are calling the command directly, my guess is that it must be something with
 environment variables. See if there are any exported ones in bash/fish that
 look relevant, else try duplicating the entire environment that one shell
 uses to the other when calling sudo. AFAIK these are the only real ways in
 which the specific shell could influence how a command executes.

 Jan


 On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:38, Korek korek...@seznam.cz wrote:

 z  - that's my username

 echo $USER
 z

 Thanks

 On 03/07/2011 06:45 PM, Stestagg wrote:
  what is the value of the $USER environment variable in your fish shell?
 
  Thanks
 
  Steve
  (ps. sorry for the initial reply, pressed wrong button)
 
  On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:30 PM, David Frasconed...@frascone.com
  wrote:
  Same here -- works for me.  And, iirc, it has always worked correctly
 for
  me. :)
  Try the current version(s).
  -Dave
 
  On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Myrddin Emrysmyrd...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I have to say that this has not been my experience. I am not using the
  latest fish however; I'm using the default version in the Ubunto
 repository.
  I have had no problems using sudo; it properly remembers and uses my
  password timeout.
 
  On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 09:58, Korekkorek...@seznam.cz  wrote:
  Hello, I have a problem with sudo vs fish
 
  when I use sudo, it asks me to enter password repeatedly, even thou I
  have sudo timeout set to 15 minutes.
  sudo works correctly under bash
 
  look at the following example:
 
  z@pc /t/zTemp  ls
  a/  b/
  z@pc /t/zTemp  sudo ls
  [sudo] password for z:
  a  b
  z@pc /t/zTemp  sudo ls
  [sudo] password for z:
  a  b
  z@pc /t/zTemp  bash
  z@pc /tmp/zTemp $ sudo ls
  [sudo] password for z:
  a  b
  z@pc /tmp/zTemp $ sudo ls
  a  b
 
  fish, version 1.23.1
 
  Any clues?
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Re: [Fish-users] fishshell.org expired?

[Myrddin Emrys]

If the DNS was going bye bye, then 'going right to the source' would still
work fine (similar to using the IP). The symptoms are consistent with an
expired domain, or with borked root server resolution. But personally,
'expired domain' seems a much more likely possibility than 'the root DNS
servers made a boo-boo'.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 08:44, David Frascone d...@frascone.com wrote:

 Ok -- the site is up, but DNS is broken.  Probably a broken cache server
 somewhere.

 The whois info is correct.  And, if you go right to the source from the
 whois, dns works:

 dfrasc...@daves-mbp ~/W/C/I/I/fio-bugreport-20100917.121443-iN5456 dig @
 ns1.vireo.net fishshell.org

 ;  DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2  @ns1.vireo.net fishshell.org
 ; (1 server found)
 ;; global options: +cmd
 ;; Got answer:
 ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 9843
 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2
 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;fishshell.org. IN A

 ;; ANSWER SECTION:
 fishshell.org. 3600 IN A 174.133.174.138


 I've tested both ns1 and ns2.vireo.net.

 But, if you just try to resolve fishshell.org, it's broken.

 Finally I added 174.133.147.138 to my /etc/hosts, and, the web page loads
 just fine.

 So -- DNS is broken at the moment, and it looks like a caching thing.  But,
 the web page is fine.

 -Dave

 P.S.  I have no idea if the domain is going bye bye, though.

 On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Christopher Nilsson 
 christop...@otherchirps.net wrote:



 On 23 September 2010 23:28, David Frascone d...@frascone.com wrote:

 Since it's only 2010, I'm pretty sure it shows that the domain is fine
 for another year.



 That's what I thought at first, but a little googling about auto renew
 periods on domains gives statements like:


 Upon your domain  reaching the 'auto-renew' period, the Registry adds one
 additional year to your term. However, You have not paid for this year. So
 if after 45 days and you still have not paid the registrar then your domain
 will be deleted and the extra year will disappear.


 So it may be that fishshell.org is now within this 45 day countdown to
 doom.  :(
 Of course, I only look at this domain registration stuff once in a blue
 moon, so I'd love to be wrong on this.

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Re: [Fish-users] Fish key bindings

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Discoverability isn't a large problem if it is documented well. Perhaps the
documentation for key bindings should mention, in a couple places, how to
set them the fishy way?

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 16:27, Axel Liljencrantz liljencra...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Many people have noticed various problems with defining fish key bindings
 in the config files. I have investigated this, and found the cause, which
 turned out to be in the shellscript infrastructure deployed by fish, not in
 the main fish binary.

 Specifically, what happens is this:

 1). Fish loads its startup scripts, including bindings in the users
 config.fish file.
 2). When the init code finishes, fish displays the prompt. The displaying
 of the prompt triggers an event handler for the __fish_config_interactive
 shellscript function.
 3). __fish_config_interactive runs the function pointed to by the universal
 variable fish_key_bindings, which by default is the function
 fish_default_key_bindings.
 4). fish_default_key_bindings erases all bindings created by the user and
 redefines it's own bindings.
 5). Profit!

 In other word, the infrastructure set in place here will make sure any
 configuration made by the user in config.fish will be ignored. The original
 idea behind these key bindings is that the user should specify their key
 bindings in a function, and then, whenever that function changes, fish will
 notice and all running shells will reload their keybindings. In other words:
 redefine stuff in one shell, and all shells are updated at once. Coolness.

 But this scheme obviously has major discoverability issues. :~/

 So, I'm looking for suggestions on how to do things properly. Suggestions?


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Re: [Fish-users] Importing variables

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Re: [Fish-users] is it possible to search the beginning of a a command like it matlab?

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It does sound like a nice feature. My only concern is the use case where you
just recently typed a command with a unique center rather than a unique
beginning. In the past few days, I've had a lot of commands like this:
fetchlist.rb; and ruby Script.rb; and some more stuff...

fetchlist is a script I wrote to synchronize files between computers, and I
use it a lot when I'm sshing in from work. So when I'm hopping back to the
previous command, I'll usually search with 'Script' or 'ruby'. Specifically,
if I search with ruby in your method, rather than bringing up the very
recent command that had ruby in the middle, it'll jump to a very old command
with ruby in the beginning.

I still might be a good overall change... but you you should be aware that a
single use failure of this sort (requiring the user to back out and search
with a different string, or hit the up arrow a dozen times to find the
correct result) would wipe out the savings of typing only one character
rather than three a hundred times over.

If you are a touch typist (and if you aren't, go learn now, it'll save you
more time than ANY app, process, tool, or language you use) then typing
three characters in under a second... you would have to save many many
fractions of a second to make up for the confusions that a dual-mode search
might cause.

I could be wrong... if you're expecting dual modes, then it's quite likely
that time could be saved. And if you can force a search to the beginning,
maybe that would save time in other ways other than just typing shorter
searches. But I suspect that overall it would be a net loss. It's hard to
tell without actually gathering statistics both ways.

But with something that's hard to call, it's usually smarter to go with the
simpler system. Being quicker to learn trumps being faster to use.
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Re: [Fish-users] is it possible to search the beginning of a a command like it matlab?

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This would not be a good idea. This would be very confusing... there would
be no easy to way to give feedback to the user why 'su' worked finding their
command one time, but when they tried to search for 'screen su - bob' it
failed.
One and two character searches are not very useful, but it's not that hard
to just type a couple more characters. It's not perfect, but it's better
than a search function which changes behavior arbitrarily.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:31, Abe Bachrach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was gonna ask another question on the fish mailing list, and it made me
 remember this one... after thinking about my desired behavior more, I think
 the ideal situation would be to have fish do the following:

 if there are 2 or less characters being searched for show the items that
 match the beginning of the line first
 if there are 3 or more characters, use the current default behavior...

 in matlab most of the time, what makes the feature great is that you can
 enter 1 character, and then hit the up arrow, which is often very fast.
 doing this in fish is pretty much useless since 1 character will likely
 match most any command.

 with 2 characters things are better but you can still get unwanted search
 results, and with 3 its somewhat unlikely that you'll get these spurious
 useless matches, so doing the full search with 3 characters might make
 sense.

 thanks!
 -=Abe


 On Wed, Nov 7, 2007 at 12:45 PM, Abe Bachrach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think that would be useful, however if things get too complicated
 with all the different cases that fish is trying to guess between, it
 could make it feel inconsistent, which would be bad.

 My guess is that  the easiest solution would be to add an option such
 as alt+up similar to the ctrl+up which is currently used to tokenize
 the search. Ideally this should be easily configurable so people could
 set which their default behavior would be so that I could do the
 matlab style search from the beginning, and chris could use search
 anywhere :-)

 I do like the idea of giving higher priority to the commands which
 match at the beginning though, and I definitely think there is some
 room for a smart prioritization of search results such as ranking
 them:
 +add importance for being more recent
 + add importance for matching the beginning of the input
 - subtract importance for having many repeated commands match the same
 part
 etc...

 thanks for the response, and keep me posted! I would love to see this
 feature/option get added to fish! :-)

 thanks,
 -=Abe

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  On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 06:24:27PM -0800, Chris Rebert wrote:
   Under your scheme, I'd type foo and then hit the up arrow a million
   times looking for the line I want, whereas in fish, I just have to
   remember one distinguishing *part* of the command, and it'll be
   completed by hitting the up arrow.
 
  what about making it search the beginning first and and if it fails to
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Re: [Fish-users] find exit code

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Easier said than done. In fish, the ? is not a legal part of a variable name
at all... to display a proper suggestion for this error, it would need to do
a special second pass scan of the command, without normal parsing, to see if
it matches a special helpfile for that particular error.
While it might be a good idea to create a 'second chance parsing' for help
text, it's a large amount of work.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 13:41, Alexey Shamrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:17 PM, James Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Use the $status variable as documented at
  http://fishshell.org/user_doc/index.html#variables-status.

 Thank you James! Thank you Matthew!

 I missed $status in the docs, sorry.

 Shouldn't fish suggest using $status in this case?

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Re: [Fish-users] find -user completion on OS X is broken

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Perhaps it is just the Gmail web client, but I was unable to follow this bug
report. Could you perhaps reformat it, or make it as a text file and attach
it?
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Re: [Fish-users] find -user completion on OS X is broken

[Myrddin Emrys]

That makes much more sense, yes, thank you. I still don't know the answer to
your question, but at least I understand the question now. :-)

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Aaron Gyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's supposed to look messed up (unless maybe my client or gmail is
 word-wrapping early or something?). Fish is printing incomprehensible
 stuff when you try to complete find -user:

 http://d.aaron.gy/fishosx.png


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Re: [Fish-users] Newline escaping problem

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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ echo foo \
  bar \
  foobar
  foo
  fish: Unknown command bar
  fish: Unknown command foobar
 
  Why do I want to achieve it?
  Simply for a reason of readability, I prefer it to
  echo foo bar foobar barf ...
 
  Hope it is clearer my problem now (at least if it is worth the
 trouble...).
 

 I think so. This should work:

 $ echo foo
 bar
 foobar
 foo bar foobar

 Is that what you're aiming for or am I still misunderstanding you?

 Axel



I suspect you are still misunderstanding.

In fish shellscripts, whitespace is significant (unlike, say, HTML, C, or
Perl). In particular, a newline is not the same as a space. But to enhance
readability, it's often preferable to split long commands over several
lines. Quotes will only sometimes work for this, it does not solve it
generally.

A way to split commands over multiple lines... in other words, a way to have
the shellscript ignore a newline or treat it like a space... can be helpful.

I personally am ambivalent... I would use the feature if it existed, but
wouldn't miss it much if it never does. I don't mind working with Basic or
Python syntax, which don't generally allow lines to be split either.
(Technically, VB does allow split lines, but I almost never used the
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Re: [Fish-users] configuration lost and request for noclobber in set

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On 10/18/07, Philip Ganchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The trouble is the 'noclobber' option in the shell that shall not be
 named. It makes the '' operator modal, so when people write '' they
 expect something different if they are used to having the option set
 than if they are not.


Modality isn't quite as bad as all that, since Fish has the facilities for
excellent just-in-time help. Whenever fish misbehaves for me, it tells me
why, and often exactly where I need to go to figure it out.

# echo foo  bar
Error: file exists, and noclobber is set. Use ! to overwrite the file, or
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Re: [Fish-users] The trouble with casing

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On 3/8/07, Martin Baehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


that's a good point. if one puts uppercase letters in there it's
presumably done intentionally and getting the case changed on that would
be irritating.



Perhaps... but how often would it happen? Don't forget the scenario of why
you are using this...

linux mv *.DOtab
*.do  stupid.doc, silly.doc, resume.doc, ...
linux mv *.do

Just because I use capital letters doesn't mean I am certain of the case I
want... there are scenarios either way. I think it's more consistent to
always do a case insensitive match if there are no results. The whole point
of pressing TAB in this situation is because you want to complete the line.
You are EXPECTING matches. You wouldn't press tab if you thought there were
no matches. So at that point, if the computer fails to see any matches, it's
not a stretch to assume that there might be a simple case issue, and to
start hunting... lower case when you expected upper, or vice versa, does not
really matter.

I don't know about you, but I don't press tab if I'm not expecting matches.
So whether the computer has to change my case, show me other possibilities,
or what, I want it to make a best effort try to guess what I may have wanted
to match, on the assumption that I wouldn't be pressing tab if I didn't
expect to find a match of some sort.

Another point I missed in my previous example... there is an implied '*' on
the end when you press tab, because you're extending a match.

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Re: [Fish-users] The trouble with casing

[Myrddin Emrys]

Hmm. I should cut back on the ranting.

A point I forgot though... I have no problem with only doing the case
insensitive matching if there are no globs/regex. It really does complicate
matters. If the code turns out to be easy however, then working with
globs/regex would be a bonus.
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[Fish-users] Autocomplete is Slow

[Myrddin Emrys]

When autocompleting, it takes far longer than it seems like it should. For
example, I have 5 files in my home directory (10 counting .files). If I type
~/c, and then press tab, it takes a full 3 seconds to complete the single
possible match. I do have a slow computer (P800), but doing a listing of my
home directory only takes half a second at most... the autocomplete should
take no longer. The output from 'ls ~/c*' is nearly instantaneous.

Even if I do the autocomplete twice in a row (no hard drive seeking the
second time) it still takes a full 3 seconds to autocomplete. It's doing a
heck of a lotta processing for such a simple task... I think the algorithm
is searching things it need not search.

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[Fish-users] Stable Versions

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Do you plan on marking in some way versions that are considered 'stable'? In other words, versions where no new features had been introduced, only bug-fixes, and nobody had found any odd problems with it?I'm not a bleeding edge kinda guy... stable and safe is my preference. I'd also like to submit a new build to the Gentoo repository (the last one I submitted was 
1.21.12), and I'm not sure which of the many versions is the most appropriate.Thanks. :-)
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Re: [Fish-users] fish file locations

[Myrddin Emrys]

in other words: do not create multiple files in the users homedirectory,but please move all of them into one directory called .fish (and not
.fish.d as the .d is redundant)Ditto. I fiddle with config files enough that I put use the '-a' flag on my listings pretty constantly... so .fish added a significant clutter to my listings. I don't agree about the '.d' being redundant though, it's become a pretty standard ending to indicate that a file is a directory, for those who do not use colored output or filetype characters. With tab completion, the .d does not make it any harder 

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