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This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fjord folks-- I just realized that the list has doubled in size since the last time we discussed this topic. There are many new people here so I would ask the old timers to bear with me. Please make sure that your mailing program is set to send plain ASCII text messages rather than HTML or Rich Text formatted messages. These messages will look like a bunch of garbage in the digest, and will be unreadable by most peoples mail programs on the regular list. The mailing programs that seem to be most often at fault are Microsoft Outlook Express, and Eudora Pro. Also, please do not send pictures to the list. They are too big, and Majordomo bounces any message over 40K. Also, most peoples mail programs will not support the viewing of pictures from the list. Thanks again for your cooperation. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk...the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes. --William Shakespeare(1564-1616)
Fw: introductions
-Original Message-From: duane trupiano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 10:08 PMSubject: introductions Hello, my name is Nancy Trupiano. I live in Concord, Michigan, and own three fjords. My big gelding is Anvil's Solvaktig(Wally as he is better known) is a 13 yr. silver dun. I'm trying to improve his riding, and he drives better than I do. Inie is a 5yr. red dun filly out of Solar and Gjest breeding. She's in training right now and will mainly be ridden by my 14 yr old son Brian. My 11 yr. son Alan rides Luster, a brown dun 11yr. gelding ...but Alan is so small that he keeps falling off because his legs are so short and the fjord's belly is so big that any unexpected movement unseats him. The horse is not bad...he's a horse. This combination will still need work. My husband doesn't ride at all, but he will ride in the cart with me.We hope to have the boys show some in 4-H, and who knows maybe someday at a fjord show. Right now the horses come after work and childrens' activities, but they don't seem to mind being loved on and not ridden as much as we'd like. As a comment to riding bareback...no we don't because we'd slip right off their big, flat backs. Bit-wise...Wally takes a 6" bit. I recently switched from a loose ring snaffle to a 5 3/4 Dr. Bristol and he seems more responsive. My instructor suggested using a short shanked jointed pelham for trail riding rather than the uxeter kimberwick that I use when I need more control...anyone know where to find a 5 3/4 or 6" one? My other two are normal 5" mouths and do fine with a snaffle of medium diam. , or so it has seemed. thanks for the fun of this list. I expect mainly to be a listener, but who knows.
Re: Re[3]: FJORDS - Breed thoughts, clipping and showing.
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > A friend of ours was quite upset because she had been told by a trainer > that she "must" clip her horses legs and polish their hooves. My first instructor told me to clip my mare's fetlocks, etc., that's what was done (she had never been around Fjords). She owned a shire/quarterhorse cross with lots of feathers which she clipped---until she saw the Fresians (which her horse looked like) and decided it might be all right to leave the feathers! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, USA (Yes, we are part of the US even if some of the companies "outside" don't think so!) ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions
This message is from: Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:57 PM 4/23/98 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: DDULOW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Hey - Pa folks! Any of you interested in going to New Columbia on May 31st to show off your horses? I have been contacted by Bonnie at Feather Hill Stables who will host the event, and has no one to bring a Fjord. If interested, send me a note and I will fax you the info. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Julie @ Old Hickory Farm > >I have two Fjords and live in Chadds Ford, PA. I drive them as a pair and >single. They are from Anvile's farm in BC. I belong to the Brandywine Valley >Driving Club and have been a member for ten years. I also belong to the >Carriage Driving List (which I notice many of you do also). >First, Steve: Where can one obtain this Small Farmer's Journal that you speak >of? Can it be purchased at a book store or do you have an address? Please >tell me, my husband would love it. >John Bolinski: Where in PA do you reside? Just ask the Amish they love to >answer questions. They would be most interested in your Fjords. They are >probably a little too expensive (so we have been told) for the Amish but they >really do like them. >DDULOW from Chadds Ford, PA >
Amish and Fjords
This message is from: Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have sold several Fjords to Mennonites, a branch off of Amish (or is it the other way around???) The Stauffers in Port Trevorton Pennsylvania have a nice herd and are standing a stallion, and recently the Lapps from south of Buffalo in New York State bought a bred mare from us. The Stauffers use the Fjords on the road (single, on the buggy) and also in the field, spreading manure, putting up hay, etc. They sometimes hook a Fjord along side their large drafters. They have said that there is a lot of interest in their community about the Fjords, but yes, money is a factor. A standardbred is fast and cheap, and a draft cross is strong and cheap. The Stauffers do love the Fjord personality! (Don't we all!)
Re[3]: FJORDS - Breed thoughts, clipping and showing.
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vivian-- Thursday, 23 April 98, you wrote: > As for clipping the legs. I have been showing in Combined driving and Pleasure > driving shows and ridden dressage for 10 years and have never found it > necessary to clip legs. I feel that the feathers on the legs are just as much > a breed characteristic as the dorsal stripe. Grooming and turnout > however is a matter of personal preference and you should feel free to > approach from whatever direction works for you. A friend of ours was quite upset because she had been told by a trainer that she "must" clip her horses legs and polish their hooves. For reference there is a "Preferred Grooming Presentation" on the NFHR Judging Standards page at: http://www.nfhr.com/standards.html . I believe that most ADS judges will follow whatever grooming recommendations are made by individual breed associations, and I believe the same is true for most dressage judges. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA The horse has so docile a nature, that he would always rather do right than wrong, if he can only be taught to distinguish one from the other. --George Melville(1821-1878)
Re: Questions
This message is from: Paul Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In answer to two of you 1. The small Farmers Journal is a must read for anyone who wants to actually work their horses. Small Farmers Journal PO Box 1627 Sisters, Oregon 97759 It is a quarterly magazine and the rates are $24.00 us for one year, $44 for two and $62 for three years. The other question was about the Amish. Yes they do everything with horses. They own no motorized aparatus and have no electricity in their homes. OK a few might fudge a little and have air powered kitchen appliances, but most seem to adhere strictly to the rules. They farm with horses and go to town with them too. Paul Milton, Carson City, Nevada USA
Re: Questions
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thursday, 23 April 98, you wrote: > This message is from: DDULOW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Just ask the Amish they love to answer questions. They would be most > interested in your Fjords. They are probably a little too expensive > (so we have been told) for the Amish but they really do like them. I was told by an Amish gentleman from Wisconsin that Fjords looked like they were good horses but they were far too flashy for his taste. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA If I be once on horse-back, I alight very unwillingly; for it is the seat I like best. --Michel Eyquem de Montaigne(1533-1592)
Re: Questions
This message is from: saskia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello DDulow and welcome to the list! >I have one request- please post where you are from. I know many people don't >like to give out addresses but simply - Chadds Ford, PA or whatever. Could I please add, on behalf of the non-US-citizens, the question if you could write the full names of your states? So we can have an idea of which part of the US you are too. Now I guess PA is Pennsylvania, but...? (Am I right?). How exotic to hear about the Amish and even more in combination with Fjords! (I only know them from movies - the Amish I mean. Do they do a lot with horses?). >From Belgium, Europe (so I give the good example for the people coming from little countries, to specify where exactly that is - even if it are little countries everybody heard of because they're specialized in putting themselves in a very negative and very sad light...) - big sigh and very depressed -again- - Saskia.
Questions
This message is from: DDULOW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have tried to post before and for some reason it never appeared so here goes again: I have two Fjords and live in Chadds Ford, PA. I drive them as a pair and single. They are from Anvile's farm in BC. I belong to the Brandywine Valley Driving Club and have been a member for ten years. I also belong to the Carriage Driving List (which I notice many of you do also). First, Steve: Where can one obtain this Small Farmer's Journal that you speak of? Can it be purchased at a book store or do you have an address? Please tell me, my husband would love it. John Bolinski: Where in PA do you reside? Just ask the Amish they love to answer questions. They would be most interested in your Fjords. They are probably a little too expensive (so we have been told) for the Amish but they really do like them. I have one request- please post where you are from. I know many people don't like to give out addresses but simply - Chadds Ford, PA or whatever. This way, if your interested in a carriage, horse, or whatever, you won't be dissappointed if it's to far away. I really enjoy this list. DDULOW from Chadds Ford, PA
Re: RE: FJORDS - Breed thoughts, clipping and showing.
This message is from: Reinbowend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Dutch studbook has been breeding Fjords to standard for over 40 years. Bob van Bon has imported from Norway many fine stallions that are used for breeding in the Netherlands. From my observations over the 12 years I have been involved the Dutch bred Fjords live up to the same standards as the Norwegian horses. There are ofcourse mediocre horses produced in both countries, but this is related to the laws of genetics not their country of origin or the breeders intentions. As for only importing the cream of the crop to North America. Let the buyer beware. Their are horse traders of all nationalities. If you offer to buy an animal of inferior quality I would guess that it would be a foolish seller not to take the money and run. As for clipping the legs. I have been showing in Combined driving and Pleasure driving shows and ridden dressage for 10 years and have never found it necessary to clip legs. I feel that the feathers on the legs are just as much a breed characteristic as the dorsal stripe. My daughter doesn't clip her Welsh Cob's legs when she turns out for Combined Training or Dressage feeling the same as I about the feathers being a breed characteristic, and I have never seen the feathers on a Friesian clipped off. Grooming and turnout however is a matter of personal preference and you should feel free to approach from whatever direction works for you. Just my Two cents Vivian Creigh
RE: FJORDS - Breed thoughts, clipping and showing.
This message is from: Marge Littleboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Folks, I have been lurking for a time, and have been enjoying all o the discussion that has been going on. Though I would put in my two cents and the lessons I learned from Gene Bauer, from whom I got my start with the Fjords. One of the things I remember Gene telling me is how he got his start with this great breed, (the wife of a very close friend had one, the wife died and the friend asked if Gene would keep the mare for him until she died, the mare was buried at Hestdalen - living well into her twenties). Gene fell in love with this pony - yes he always referred to them as ponies- and he went to Norway to by the best stock. On his search he was told that the best were already exported and were located in Canada, so Gene went to Canada and bought is stock. He also told me that Norway will only export to North American the cream of the crop, (and this next part will probably upset some of you), and the standards were not as strict to neighboring countries in Europe. We have to remember that when Gene got into these ponies it was about 30 years ago - he passed away in 1996. Truthfully I do not know what the standards are today, but I do know that many of the ponies/horses we are seeing in North America can trace bloodlines to stock from Denmark. I am not looking to get into a debate, I know we all love our critters. I bought from Gene because I liked what I saw, I spent one week each summer for five years helping him and Susan Engelking Keating - his trainer and employee for 20 years (she started with him when she was 13, and stayed with the ponies after his death, helping his family with the dispersal of the herd (there were over 50 on the farm at his death.). this was while they competed at the Walnut Hill Farm Pleasure Driving Competition. I saw other Fjords, but was sold on the stock from Hestdalen. (Susan now has a farm of her own with her husband/daughter and a 2nd on the way. She was given the option of keeping the Hestadalen name alive and accepted that option.) So although Gene is gone the standards that he and Susan set are continuing. I have two NFANA registered mares (mother - 13 yrs. and daughter -9 yrs.). On the mane I trim by following the crest of the neck, with the black and the white being even. I usually have a height of about 3 inches. My understanding for the geldings and stallions is that the black is about 1/2 to 3/4 inches longer than the white. The practicality of this is that you can tell the sex without having to look for parts! On both of our ponies I clip the legs completely, just as Gene did, and Susan does. What is the Norwegian Standard for this? Well I am sure I stirred up a hornets nest or two, although not the intention. Hope to hear from you on your thoughts. Bye for now, Marge Littleboy
Re: FJORDS AND DRAFT WORK?
This message is from: "the Sessoms'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Bolinski wrote: >>> Next question is clipping. I keep Kilar's mane about 4-6 inches and have no problem with it, but I don't know what I should do about his legs. He has very heavy feathering on the back of the legs. I have a lot of trouble keeping him clean and dry in the Maryland muck and ice. I looked at the latest Fjord Herald and it looks like most of the horses have some feather on their fetlocks but not the long stuff higher up. Should I be clipping this longer hair? <<< Hi John ... welcome to the list! I let mine grow out natural all the way up the leg in the winter. This week, when Dorina was mostly shed off, I have pulled the shedding topmost feathers to half-way down the cannon until it has a neat look. I take a patch of hair between my thumb and index knuckle and gently pull over and over. Most of the unruly stuff was already loose and has come out like that. The few strays left I just pull them out a couple at a time. I try to comb the feathers out with a metal toothed dog comb every time I groom to make sure no problems are hiding under all that hair. I'm sure it's OK to clip or trim the feathers to avoid problems caused by muck and damp if you do not plan to show them. But I believe it is proper to present them with the feathers which can be neatened. John also wrote: >>> I am new to Internet Mail and don't know how to save the messages I want without clogging up my Inbox. <<< Most mailboxes I have had experience with have some kind of filing/folder system. They let you name your folders and save those messages you'd like to save for future reference. If you are good at culling the chat and redundant posts you can gather some really special practical info that you don't find in books (at least until the next crash!). And some mailboxes even have a search too! Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy TN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Dorina - NFR Aagot - - - Fjords - Caper - Carly - Crickett - - - Labradors
Re: FJORDS AND DRAFT WORK?
This message is from: "Amy K. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 01:09 AM 4/23/98 EDT, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy K White) > >John, >Have you ever read "Small Farmer's Journal"? > >Also, I would like to add my two cents on the sheath cleaning issue. > Steve, I am so proud of you! What a good post! What were you doing up at 1 am though? We really need to change our name on the account so that you are also acknowledged somehow (I hate to take the credit for your good advice!) Amy
