RE: horse related accidents
This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ann - right on - I think people who say who cares ? I´m going to die anyway don`t really believe it`s true and are therefore so careless - what they really seem to mean is it can`t happen to me. If they are lucky, they feel confirmed in their belief - if not, they regret their decision for a long, long time. -Original Message- From: Mark and Ann Restad [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Donnerstag, 19. November 1998 16:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:horse related accidents This message is from: Mark and Ann Restad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I want to respond to Pat Wolf and others comments on helmets, not because I am so experienced in horses, but in medicine. Head injuries are fairly common, and as Pat said, can mean anything from killing you, causing a vegetable situation, prolonged hospitalization, head aches, and a lot of other, more subtle symptoms such a a person's personality changing, usually towards irritability- not nicer! People often say, well if i am going to go, I am going to go or such comments, but the thing we should really consider is living on, but having your life changed forever by one of these conditions. Enough from me. Happy horsing! Ann Restad, PA-C
Re: Evaluation Teams; Symbol vs Ideal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Well why not put a representative of the draft type, which I understand was the first to be imported here years ago, and a representative of the taller more athletic type that is being bred now, alongside the Norwegian logo. The problem seems to be trying to have one standard for at least three types. Jean G. Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re: Evaluation Teams; Symbol vs Ideal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comments from Wayne Hipsley Evaluation Teams There seems to be some confusion on the education and uses of knowledgeable breeders. I will keep this simple. I have been fortunate to visit three different foreign breed licensings/evaluations/approvals for stallions. Each evaluation committee was composed of professional judges and breeders. When the warmblood licensings/evaluations/approvals are held in the US, guess the backgrounds of the foreign evaluators, yes, breeders and professionals. The evaluation teams are a mix of breeders and professionals even for the 100 day tests conducted in Celle, Germany for all potential breeding stallions. Response to Julie Will's Comments Symbol vs Ideal A fact: the Norwegians have not adopted a breed standard, not written nor visual. Yet, they have used the same image of one horse on their stationary for many years. Explanation: According to Arne Prestus the reason for this situation is to prevent problems within the breeders in Norway. The Norwegian leadership recognizes the situation leaves a void, however, due to the breeding of diverse types for many years, they have been afraid to offend breeders by creating a single standard. Thus, the standard remains unwritten. To quote Arne, we want to recognize good horses of all types and not exclude any however we understand the need for modern uses. If you will remember some of my earlier comments on the evaluation process, you will remember the challenges of getting a visual picture of the ideal Fjord horse to use as a model, like the vast majority of US breeds use. Arne's comments answer the question as to why such a standard does not exist. The handbook you refer to for judges is a good idea. But, what about the breeders, how do they formulate their 'breeding visions'? From where do the breeders derive the 'target' to breed toward? Words are not the sole answer to the question, especially when one considers the number of amateurs involved in the horse industry today. The Norwegian problem with their stand on this issue translates to confusion for the other European countries that are requiring stallion evaluations/stud book approvals prior to being used for breeding purposes. In fact, with the European Union this matter will be of greater importance. While visiting Germany a few years ago I saw two Fjord stallions awaiting their tests. So, I know the Fjords have been participating in the programs. The issue is, what standard do the evaluators use for the approval of these stallions? The Germans need a single model from which to operate. The above may not solve any problems but it will at least give us the background for the decisions and current positions.
Re: People Concerns vs. Horse Concerns
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carole, I am dying to see this picture. (Picture worth a thousand words :)) Do you have it in digital form - to send direct to me or arrange to put it on a web page somewhere? Would love to see it. Gail Recently the BOD decided not to use the image of Rosendalsborken (Fjord stallion born in 1863) as the visual depiction of the Breed Standard, despite the fact it's used by Norway and Holland. The drawing depicts a strong, up-headed, all-purpose type Fjord, the kind of horse Norway was breeding in the eighteen hundreds and beyond, and is again breeding today. This was an All-Purpose Fjord with the strength and temperament to work in the mountains and on the farm, and the suppleness and speed to be a handy carriage horse. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: People Concerns vs. Horse Concerns
This message is from: Julia Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responding to Carol on the drawing of Rosendalsborken: Recently the BOD decided not to use the image of Rosendalsborken (Fjord stallion born in 1863) as the visual depiction of the Breed Standard, despite the fact it's used by Norway and Holland. The picture in question is used as a SYMBOL of the Fjord horse by Norway and several other countries and it is not used to illustrate their breed standards. From what I have been told from sources in Norway, the Norwegians do not hold it as a picture of the IDEAL Fjord horse. Others have the opinion that it IS supposed to illustrate the ideal Fjord. The Board chose not to open a can of worms by presenting as the ideal Fjord this particular drawing about which there are so many differing opinions. We also felt it appropriate and desirable to use our NFHR logo on the cover of our standard. But, because the BOD was afraid of stepping on toes, we now have no visual image to hand to judges at breed shows, Does a judge need a drawing to go by We are providing our judges with a handbook that encourages them to judge the overall quality of the horse, allowing body types that vary from light to heavy. Hopefully we don't have judges doing our breed shows that need a drawing to let them know what to look for. Constantly worrying what this group or that will think, is not putting the Fjord first. Sorry to differ with you Carol, but it was not a matter of what this group or that group would think or stepping on anyones toes..it was a question of putting the Fjord first and not limiting the breed to a particular type by possible mis-understandings of what this picture represents. Norway, the Motherland of the Fjord breed, has chosen this image of a horse born over 130 years ago as a depiction of the Ideal Fjord. Again, my understanding is that it was chosen as a symbol. I will however re-check with sources in Norway, and I invite anyone else who has contacts there to check on this as well. There is a big difference between a symbol and an ideal. The NFHR Board is a group of dedicated people from across the country working to preserve the full range of the Fjord breed. We are not politically oriented...most of us have never even met face to face. We represent all the disciplines and all the areas of the country and we serve on the Board out of love for the breed. Julie
Re: Solveig II, Vanja, Sleipner
This message is from: Bill Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, This is my first time to write to the list so bear with me. I have been quite interested in reading the various comments of late about Vanja. About 3 months ago I bought 2 Fjords, a mother and daughter, from Klaas Van Zee. He said the mother's name was Thunhild, which I thought was a bit clumsy so asked what they called her on a day to day basis, thinking that she may be called something like Thune or Hildy. Klaas said they called her Vanja because that is what they had always called her and when the mix ups had been cleared up they just kept calling her Vanja. Thunhild is pregnant by Klaas's stud Sven II and is due to foal in May or June. Sven II is also the sire of Katrina, the 2 year old daughter. Sven II is the son of Leif who I have seen mentioned here also. I have been using Thunhild and Katrina together in harness pulling a hay wagon for rides. Katrina was letting her mother do all the work (typical kid) but after a couple times out she was steadily pulling her share. I plan to breed Katrina in the spring when she turns 3 so am looking for appropriate stud in the area. We like the short, draftier look. Thunhild is 13.2 and about 1,200 lbs.. She is a bit fat now but we are working on that. They are certainly sweet horses. Bill Walton White Bear Lake, Minnesota
Re: People Concerns vs. Horse Concerns
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello Everybody from Carol at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - A recent posting caught my eye. The person said something like --In order to do what's best for the Norwegian Fjordhorse, we must have a VERY STRONG REGISTRY willing to ignore special interests and politics, and focus on what's best for the breed. HOORAY!!! I couldn't agree more! But, unfortunately the NFHR Board of Directors doesn't always operate that way. Here's an example of what I call People Concerns over Horse Concerns. Recently the BOD decided not to use the image of Rosendalsborken (Fjord stallion born in 1863) as the visual depiction of the Breed Standard, despite the fact it's used by Norway and Holland. The drawing depicts a strong, up-headed, all-purpose type Fjord, the kind of horse Norway was breeding in the eighteen hundreds and beyond, and is again breeding today. This was an All-Purpose Fjord with the strength and temperament to work in the mountains and on the farm, and the suppleness and speed to be a handy carriage horse. The NFHR decided against the Rosendalsborken image because of People Concerns. They were afrid those with the draftier type Fjords wouldn't like it. -- At the Annual Meeting in Libby, this issue came up, and Wayne Hipsley explained the situation as it had been explained to him by the European judges. He said the drawing of Rosendalsborken should be considered the centerline of a highway, and horses coming halfway on either side of that line are within the breed standard. In other words, no super drafty Fjords, and no very refined ones, but somewhat heavier, or somewhat finer than Rosendalsborken is fine as long as the horse exhibits quality and breed type. But, because the BOD was afraid of stepping on toes, we now have no visual image to hand to judges at breed shows, and you know what they say about a picture being worth a thousand words. I wonder if we're the only registry not to have a drawing of their Ideal Horse? Constantly worrying what this group or that will think, is not putting the Fjord first. It is not in the best interests of the breed. What it is is a shame! Norway, the Motherland of the Fjord breed, has chosen this image of a horse born over 130 years ago as a depiction of the Ideal Fjord. Why isn't what's good enough for Norway, good enough for us? The answer is - People Concerns over Fjord Concerns. The NFHR has as its mandate the preservation, protection, and improvement of the breed, and those goals should ALWAYS take precedent over any and all other interests. Sincerely, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: Helmets
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/19/98 14:25:45 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My daughter, Peggy-Lynne, died at age 26 of a head injury after 11 years of suffering. WEAR HELMETS. I'm so sorry :( I think your post says it all, and I'll think of your daughter tomorrow as I put on my helmet for my morning ride. Pamela
Re: Solveig II, Vanja, Sleipner
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:58 PM 11/18/98 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Barsness [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian, Thanks so much for the information you had on Solveig. It is fun to know the personal history of your horse. I think I can clear up some confusion on the travels of Vanja. You wrote that she was sold to some people in Florida. I think that is an error. The man (Klaus VanZee) I bought my horses from had purchased them from your grandfather. I think he bought around 15 horses all at the same time. Solveig's mother ( Vanja) was pregnant when Klaus purchased her. When I purchased Solveig, her mother was listed as Johanna. Klaus thought the horse was Johanna. When I went to blood type Solveig, she didn't match. After some investigating and checking other mares for matches it was discovered that Solveigs mother was really named Vanja not Johanna. It turned out that non of the mares that Klaus purchased was Johanna. So I assume that a different horse went to Florida maybe Johanna). Anyway, I was just relieved we got it all straightened out. I must thank Mike May for all his effort in tracing Solveig's correct parents. Actually as it turned out Johanna hadn't gone anywhere. She is still at the Jacobsen's in NC. It was Thunhild that Klaas va Zee actually got. Then Thunhild Vanja were switched around too. That was a real mess for sure. Thankfully it is all fixed now though. DNA typing does work to keep our breed pure. This was real proof of it. Mike
Re: safety concerns
This message is from: john martie bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Martie here, About helmets - I have been wearing my hardhat to drive almost since I started. Right after begining to learn to drive, I attended the Internationals at Fair Hill (last year) and there was a terrible accident where a vehicle overturned, the horse kicked it to pieces, the drivers fell out; at least one was run over; one person who tried to catch the horse before he could hurt himself any further was run over - an on-and on. This was only last year. I had driven Kilar only a couple times and my lesson horse only about a dozen times. It all seemed so much safer than riding. I always wear a helmet to ride. I have had too many 'dizzy' horses; for some reason I seem to attract or be attracted to the nutsies. Having fallen off many times (without serious injuries) and haven been knocked unconsious even WITH a hard hat I wouldn't think of getting ON a horse without the hard hat. It just took seeing someone else get hurt driving to bring it home to me that driving is at least as potentially dangerous as riding. Now, even when I ground drive, I wear the hardhat. By the way, I bought my husband one of those western hard-hats. He wore it once or twice. Now he wears one of those air-conditioned looking new plastic models. He rides western though, and would really like a nice western hard hat that doesn't make him look like he has a 10 gallon head. Martie in Maryland
Helmets and safety
This message is from: Doug Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Pat list - This posting is lengthy, please bear with me. I was going to post this yesterday, but ran out of time [Silka has a very thick mane]. I want to underscore Pat's excellent detailed account of his experience sans helmet. When my son Drew was 15, he told me he was going bike riding with a friend. Their route began with descent of a rather steep hill. I suggested he wear his helmet. Well, that wasn't cool, so he didn't. You can guess the rest. His bike slipped on the gravel, he ran into his friend and then flipped clear over him. His back pack hit the ground first, then served as a fulcrum to slam the back of his head onto the road. This occurred two blocks from home. My older son, Don, was following them and came upon Drew lying on the road with a car stopped there. Don's first impulse was to beat up the driver, thinking he had hit Drew [not a helpful response.] An aid car arrived then, thanks to the motorist, and Don rushed home to tell me. When Don is scared, he tries to minimize things, but when we got to the ER, I realized something was terribly wrong. Drew, strapped to a back board, was delerious and moaning help me, help me. I can tell you that you don't ever want to experience that with a loved one, especially your child! And you don't ever want to inflict that on anyone else, either! I knew he would get nothing for pain for several days until they were certain of the extent of his injuries, and you don't ever want to have your kid in severe pain and know you can't help! Drew remembers nothing until he was being wheeled into the huge CT Scan machine. I remember seeing the two white lines on the x-ray and asking are those what I think they are? Yes, double occipital skull fracture. Bleeding out of his ears. Desperately needing my husband there [he had to come from 20 miles away]. Social worker [bless her heart] sticking by my side. The ambulance ride across town to the hospital that had the CT Scan machine, Drew vomiting and moaning in the back. The incredible knot in my stomach and the pain from clenching my jaw. We were extraordinarily fortunate. No brain swelling. No paralysis. The lingering headache only lasting for about 3 weeks. The tingling in his fingers going away. Only two weeks of school missed. Even belonging to one of the first HMOs and not being burdened with incredible medical bills.20 Now in his 30's, he was recently riding my trainer's Friesian. Helmet, I asked? He promptly dismounted, saying to my trainer, My mom told me to wear a helmet once and I didn't. I won't ever make that mistake again! As for me, I will be happy to send you an email picture of my helmet after I was tossed recently. The plastic and the foam liner are both impressively cracked, and there is a dent where the rock [my skull would have struck] hit the helmet. We did not exchange it because we want the reminder So it is not a question of I'm going to die sometime, your actions may profoundly affect others who have no say in the matter. Having lost a dear friend from a non-horse related head injury, after she spent 3 miserable years as a quadraplegic being cared for by her husband, I obviously have formed very strong opinions on this subject. Thank you - Peg Knutsen
Re: safety
This message is from: Jodie Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] well, flame or not, I don't much appreciate your non-flammable criticism and blatant intimation that I haven't a clue about child-raising, safety, riding horses or life in general. I think I'll unsubscribe from this list--it is pretty much a waste of time. Thanks a bunch for making my day, --- Jodie Gilmore Freelance Technical Writer Washougal, WA
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #249
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:12 PM 11/18/98 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Barsness [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, You wrote the following regarding Vanya, ANd from entering some stallion breeding reports into the database yesterday I find yet another name as an owner of Vanja. Her owner as listed on the report is Beth Anderson in Wisconsin. Jane Sessions did sell Vanya. I believe it was to a women in Wisconsin. Well hopefully I will get a transfer report some day. == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #251
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, where is your horse chat room?? Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re: A.I.difficulty
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:50 PM 11/18/98 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) Mike, can you tell us how many horses are registered that were a result of A.I. breedings? I wish I could. That is one statistic that I can't get for you. Our new software will keep track of the types of breedings though. I am entering the stallion breeding reports into it now. So in a few years we will have some stats on that. Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Helmets
This message is from: Donald Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Anne Sullivan in New Hampshire: My daughter, Peggy-Lynne, died at age 26 of a head injury after 11 years of suffering. WEAR HELMETS.
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #251
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List! Wow, Pat, you sound like a good spokesman for all the time helmet wearAs a nurse, who has taken care of people with head injuries, that came from relativly small accidents, and having Jeff relay all the gross head trauma's to me each day, Im a supporter of protection, esp. for the noggen's. Arm's, leg's and even ribs, heal much better than the brain. I remember working as an EMT many years ago at a horse show where a very popular/well- known A Class, jumper circut rider, was up on her mount, waiting for her hunt class to begin. Her horse turned around and was playing with her boot, as she held it out for him to do so anyway, he accidently hooked his bit on her stirrup and began walking around in a short circle, not at all panicked, just going around. There was alot of friendly laughter and teasing, but after awhile, her horse had enough, or it had begun to hurt him. Anyway, at least 3 people were trying to help by then, but her TB, reared up, trying to escape the pain, and she fell off, striking her HELMETED head on the ground. She suffered such a severe brain injury that day, it was thought for 3 month's that she would never recover. Then when she did, it was thought for at least a year, that she would never gain enough function to maintain a normal lifestyle, and last I heard she was not only recovered, she was 95% with cognative function, and was even back riding again. Lucky girl, and everyone is quite sure she never would have left the show grounds alive if she had not been wearing an approved helmet. Babies, can suffer severe neck and head traumas just because they lack the muscle strengh to support their head like an adult. Brain injuries occur much more often in infants and even small toddlers, because their brains are still surrounded by alot of fluid, and in a very small event, like shaking, ect. the brain flopps back and forth inside the skull, hitting both front and back, causing contusion and bleeding. Thus, shaking baby syndrome that claims so many young lives a year, and usually result from MUCH less trauma then thought would take to cause such severe injuries. Small shake= BIG problem.. I need to say that in my pre-med days, when Cody was little, I also took him for a few easy trail rides, on my bomb-proof mare. I just didnt know what could have happend, plain and simple, so I'm NOT condemming anyone, but given the information and seeing firsthand as a nurse, I know that its just not worth it. No FLAMMING intended, just trying to clarify the precious one's high risk. Hope no hard feelings, would I do it again?? NEVER. Remember, that from the chest on up, we are very vascular. Tons of tiny veins flow through the head, and thats why a cut to a leg,might bleed a bit, but even a tiny cut to the lip, head, or BRAIN can bleed alot. Sometimes a baby brought into ER from a fall from a grocery cart ect. will look like such severe problem, but when you clean up all the blood, you end up doing a suture or two, three.Heads can bleed internally, not just on the outside, and the scary thing is, that with a pinprick bleed inside the head, it can take days and weeks to even start showing symptoms. who will ever remember that tiny blow to the head that occured several weeks before if a small child starts vomiting or gets sleepy or drowsey!They are always getting every thing that go's around!! On to more pleasent things! I want to invite everyone interested in DRIVING, to our Fjord Chat this Sun. night, on PetsandVets. Im hosting a topic night chat, and the subject is DRIVING. Even if you do not drive yet, but think it looks fun, or you are putting together a pair, OR already drive a 4 in-hand ( DAVE! ) this chat is for you. Im going to share information and links to sites that offer carraiges, harness, driving bits ect. If you want to debate leather vs biothane harness. come and speak up! If you want to drive, but dont even know where to start, please come to learn!!! I hope that some of the Fjord owners who drive alot, will be able to come and share their knowledge with those still learning.So, hope to see you all there, 9:00, in Horse room # 1. TROT ON, STRONG TROT, PLEASE!!! and see you there! Lisa Pedersen PAV FJORDS
Re: safety
This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] One more response to the safety factor. I was an avid no helmet rider some 3 1/2 years ago. I rode through out my pregnancy until early contractions but me on bed rest at 7 months. I rode with no helmet even while pregnant! While laying in the hospital doped up on drugs to keep me from having the baby early (by the way the early contractions had NOTHING to do with riding the horse) I swore I was going to start using a helmet! Well, I never did and the next pregnancy came and went, and so unfortunately did my faithful companion! When I got back into riding with my new horse I was very nervous. I now had two young ones dependent on me. You're all probably wondering, what's the point.well the point is, I fell off of the horse and landed on the pavement. I landed on my side and my head impacted the pavement. If I hadn't had on my helmet.. I was sore for a couple of days but nothing worse happened I'm happy to say. I've been using my helmet for 1 1/2 years now and feel naked without it. Reena -Original Message- From: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fjordhorse List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 12:19 PM Subject: safety This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Helmets are fine--for those who choose to wear them. It's a personal choice, IMHO, and shouldn't be mandated by various levels of governemnt Yes, of course Jodie...it is still a free country! My intent was not to attack you in anyway...just curious as to the good reasons for not wearing a helmet, or why safety isn't first on the list for you, or your daughter. Well, for me, life is a gamble. Those stakes are a little too high for me, prefer to stack things in my favor. Why chance it in the first place? As far as taking Naomi with me on rides, yes, I do think about what would happen if I fell off. Probably the same thing that happens when I slip on a hike with her--she and I get a little muddy and we have something to laugh about. Don't think so! Trust me...from personal experience, it's no laughing matter. If I had the choice of slipping and getting a little muddy...or being ejected from my saddle several feet away...sigh. I do not take her on the young horses that I'm training, or on a horse that I know to be spooky to any degree. We walk mainly, and ride on trails or less-travelled roads. I'm sure there are 50% of the people out there that will flame me for taking her with me. Oh well. they can raise their own kids as they see fit. I'm sorry, there is no ideal setting or ideal horse...Got a concussion a few years ago, after falling from a horse that was 16 years old, gentle, non-spooky, bombproof (whatever that means), in an enclosed riding arenaI don't remember much, other than the flight through the air, hitting a post...then waking up in the hospital, with the doctor at my side, saying how much WORSE the accident could have been, had I not been wearing a helmet. The helmet was very much dented. No flames directed your way Jodie...just relaying what can occur. Please re-think your situation before it's too late, for you or your daughter. OK, I'll get off my soapbox now! Make those trails happy and safe onesIngrid :o)
safety
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Helmets are fine--for those who choose to wear them. It's a personal choice, IMHO, and shouldn't be mandated by various levels of governemnt Yes, of course Jodie...it is still a free country! My intent was not to attack you in anyway...just curious as to the good reasons for not wearing a helmet, or why safety isn't first on the list for you, or your daughter. Well, for me, life is a gamble. Those stakes are a little too high for me, prefer to stack things in my favor. Why chance it in the first place? As far as taking Naomi with me on rides, yes, I do think about what would happen if I fell off. Probably the same thing that happens when I slip on a hike with her--she and I get a little muddy and we have something to laugh about. Don't think so! Trust me...from personal experience, it's no laughing matter. If I had the choice of slipping and getting a little muddy...or being ejected from my saddle several feet away...sigh. I do not take her on the young horses that I'm training, or on a horse that I know to be spooky to any degree. We walk mainly, and ride on trails or less-travelled roads. I'm sure there are 50% of the people out there that will flame me for taking her with me. Oh well. they can raise their own kids as they see fit. I'm sorry, there is no ideal setting or ideal horse...Got a concussion a few years ago, after falling from a horse that was 16 years old, gentle, non-spooky, bombproof (whatever that means), in an enclosed riding arenaI don't remember much, other than the flight through the air, hitting a post...then waking up in the hospital, with the doctor at my side, saying how much WORSE the accident could have been, had I not been wearing a helmet. The helmet was very much dented. No flames directed your way Jodie...just relaying what can occur. Please re-think your situation before it's too late, for you or your daughter. OK, I'll get off my soapbox now! Make those trails happy and safe onesIngrid :o)
Re: contract
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Brian, I have, hold on to your hat, never wanted a stallion on my place. This , of course, is due to several life threatening experiences and not with fjörds. By the time I found my Howdie gelding (dec.)and learned what sweeties Fjörds are, I did not have fencing or the desire to have breeding on the premises. I have had my mare live covered and once was AI'd. So I can not comment about any stallion owners having contracts with their organizations. Again, if they did have a contract that stated that the stallion would be dropped from the approved AI listings if it PROVED to have inferior genetic qualities (spelled out) then if that owner signed such a contract they could not come back on the association for legal action. Again, an Association would have to have sufficient evidence before making such a decision. All would not be taken lightly. Verstehen? Jean This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) Thanks for your responses Jean. I'm not aware that the NFHR has any kind of signed contract with stallion owners. Do you know of another breed that does this? Brian Jacobsen ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re: A.I. - good or bad?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) Well then if it had not been documented why would anyone take such a chance of libeling a stallion and his owner? This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steven A White) Jean, This is a lot easier said than done. Before it was well documented that Impressive was the cause for HYPP, you could find yourself in a law suit for even suggesting to anyone that the stallion was the cause of this disease. It seems most associations would rather put up with the problem than go thru lengthy court battles trying to disqualify the stud. Steve White Waterloo, NE Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re:horse related accidents
This message is from: Mark and Ann Restad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I want to respond to Pat Wolf and others comments on helmets, not because I am so experienced in horses, but in medicine. Head injuries are fairly common, and as Pat said, can mean anything from killing you, causing a vegetable situation, prolonged hospitalization, head aches, and a lot of other, more subtle symptoms such a a person's personality changing, usually towards irritability- not nicer! People often say, well if i am going to go, I am going to go or such comments, but the thing we should really consider is living on, but having your life changed forever by one of these conditions. Enough from me. Happy horsing! Ann Restad, PA-C
Re: Equine Affair
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a recent post concerning the Equine Affair [...] mentioned John Lyons doing a demonstration of his training method using a Fjord. [...] I, too, would like to know how it went with the Fjord. It seems that some of these methods developed for horses which are primarily riding horses do not always work exactly the same on Fjords. [...] two-year-old Fjord mare [...] was highly offended at having a rope or flag waved in her face and took the fight rather than the flight mode [...] had enough and went for him - right up over the back of his horse. Interesting! Last year, we sent my husband's 14-year-old Fjord gelding to a John Lyons certified trainer for a month (Rom needed some potholes in his training repaved). I had it in the back of my mind that something like that might happen, so I wrote out information about the differences between Fjord vs standard horse temperaments including their altered flight/fight programming, made CW read it, sign it, and give me back a copy. I never heard about exactly what went on, but 2 weeks into the training, CW was mumbling about how Rom might be his first failure! However, once CW started letting Rom work at the trot, vs insisting on a canter, things turned around. And, CW allowed as how the horse had taught him a few things (but wouldn't elaborate). Rom came home with some improvements in his problems (he mainly needed to learn to spook in place---yes, a flighty Fjord!), although far from perfect. Interestingly, a year and a half later, he seems to still be compiling what he learned---we see little improvements, even when we haven't worked with him. The other interesting thing was when we tried just a little of the new-to-us John-Lyons-ing on our other Fjord gelding. It was obvious that Sleepy had been there, done that---knew the drill, i.e. had retained it for at least the 7 years we had owned him! Anyway, yes, I'd also be curious to hear what went on with John Lyons and that Fjord. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Fjord calendars?
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone heard whether there will be a 1999 Fjord calendar, or not? Getting to be that time of year! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
contract
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) Thanks for your responses Jean. I'm not aware that the NFHR has any kind of signed contract with stallion owners. Do you know of another breed that does this? Brian Jacobsen ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Helmets - a personal story
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve I have frequently been the only people in our barns that wear helmets. The major other exception at our current place is a radiologist who always wears hers! Three years ago I was riding Tank bareback in an arena. I forgot to put on my helmet but Steve reminded me of it and got it for me. (This was shortly after Christopher Reeves accident - even though not helmet related, a good reminder of what can happen) Several minutes later something spooked Tank and I slammed dunk off of him. I remember feeling the cushioning in my helmet contract when I landed. I thought - I sure am glad I have my helmet on! When I could sit up, I thought maybe I had also broken my collar bone. An ambulance was called and at the hospital, I found out that I indeed had a broken collar bone as well as two broken ribs. But what I really remember is of how relieved I was that I was wearing that helmet. In one week I was back at work. In three weeks, I could at least drive my horse again. Some of you may remember seeing me in my collar at Blue Earth. The emergency room people told me that of the horse related accicdents they saw - at least two or three a day in summer time - most were head related injuries. If an adult conciously chooses not to wear a helmet, that's their lookout. But what I have a real problem with are those irresponsible adults who don't make children wear helmets. It should not be a choice for children - ever! It is never a choice for anyone who wants to ride or drive our horses - no matter how experienced - or the occassional kid that I instruct. When my granddaughters first came around the horses, I even made them wear the helmets all the time until they learned a little respect for horses on the ground. I know this is highly opinionated stuff, but you can go to work with broken ribs and you may be off work a long time with a broken head! - and children just don't know any better. BTW, Troxel replaced the lining - actually sent me an entirely new helmet at no cost! They are worth every cent of your investment! I also never ride bareback anymore! I am just too old and breakable. Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs Research University of Nebraska at Omaha E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #247
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) If anyone is looking for the Grabb bloodline I have a stallion that is a grandson. An '88 model named Trygve. drafty, trained , for sale. In N Central OR not far from Portland, OR. Jon Hedgal liked him but said he was too short in the neck in relation to other 3/4. Of course he was 18 mo when seen by Jon, Dave Klove. Old style - shortbacked drafty. Reply privately if interested in either breeding or purchase. Thanks Joel Harman Toot! Toot! ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
