secret santa
This message is from: Alison Bakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, The person that I am secret santa to lives SE of Algonquin Park some where close to the Bonnechere River, if my information is correct. I am sure that you have more snow than I do. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
publicity
This message is from: Alison Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone! In reading magazines lately, I have thought that we really need to advertise the Fjord breed more. This came up on the list a while ago, but nothing seemed to come out of it. I am now on my winter break from school, and I would like to create a write up about the Fjord breed and send ot to magazines that publish breed spotlights, or something similar. However, My knowledge about the breed is relatively small compared to many others out there, so I would love some help. If you have any nifty less well known points about the breed, cool pictures (My server is fast so it doesn't matter if they are really big) or something you feel should be included, please e-mail me privately. I would also love to receive names of magazines and their addresses (internet would be great picture wise, but snail mail is good too) so I can send the info out to the most magazines possible. I would appreciate it. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Alison in soon to be freezing Alberta on a macintosh which have always been Y2K compliant : )
Re: Saying Goodbye :-(
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michele, We are so sorry, our hearts are with you. We hope she is with her buddy, pulling their wagon. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
Re: ski-joering
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave: I would be interested in the ski joering equipment.Guess you can forward my name to Laurie. A couple of winters ago, I went sled-joering! Had someone ride Sven whilst I held onto a rope off of the trace ends. Works great! My sled' was a cheapo little plastic kiddie one. I actually got it to train with, as I was doing allot of ground driving with a mare,and then it started snowing. I still wanted something for her to pull, so I got the little sled - and yup, I succombed to the urge to hop on, and whata blast! we only used the arena and part of the pasture. I agree that it is much easier to have someone riding and steering, but it was still kinda fun. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: sunlessness
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] in your relationship with the Pacific Northwest. :) You are just about to move to Southern California - and the sun comes out and you wonder how you could ever have thought about leaving! :) On top of that, the lack of light causes depression, low self esteem - everything that makes it hard to do anything to properly take care of yourself. :) Gail - who lived in coastal British Columbia for 16 years and loved the place, but it did get to me. This is timely for me, if somewhat off topic. My husband and I have recently retired, and are contemplating moving from here (the coastal mountains on the San Francisco Peninsula), to Oregon (top candidates are the Roseburg and Eugene areas). One of the unknowns (and possibly unknowables) is whether we can stand the increase in cloud cover and rain. (My husband grew up in Eugene; I grew up in NE New Mexico; we've been here near SF for about 30 years.) I'd be interested to hear from those of you in western Oregon (or as one friend calls it, wettern Oregon) as to how you're handling it. Just to keep this sort of on topic, how are your Fjords doing in the wet climate? ;-) Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: ski-joering
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are a bunch of folks here who ski-joer with their sled dogs, one to three dogs up front, using a special padded belt and a quick release snap. They use ski poles also. I could get these belts for those interested, or at least find out more about them, maybe take a picture with my digital camera and get you a price. As for the horse end, sounds like Dave's harness might be the thing. Wheat sort of rig besides breast collar are you talking about Dave? some sort of handle like shafts? or what? Got a picture? Lots of snow time to ski-joer up here! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where the Temperature has dropped to -30 this afternoonCome one clouds, we need you to hold the heat in! At 07:04 AM 12/18/1999 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Joanna Crell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Dave and everyone looking for MORE fun with a Fjord in the snow, I've done a bunch of ski-joering over the years, every which way but loose. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ski-joering
This message is from: Joanna Crell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Dave and everyone looking for MORE fun with a Fjord in the snow, I've done a bunch of ski-joering over the years, every which way but loose. I've come to the conclusion that I like turning people on to it, the raucous laughter the wildly funny falls, face-plants and grown people giggling like children. children giggling like wild uh donkeys. But really, i like to be the rider, steering the unsuspecting skier through wild swooping turns and hazards, jumping tiny ditches . My friend James who doesn't ride, (no-way!) is a snow board freak and brought over an old snurfer type plank with eASY access foot/boot-toe loops. Like a windsurfer. I wonder if water skis would work? Any way many hours of funny fun have happened and he has prototyped a few different designs of human harness. what he's done is make a hipsling that you can really lean back into so that your arms aren't trashed. He of course is pretty balanced so that when the horse moves out and the board slides he goes schussing back and forth just havin' a blast. He swears that snow board is the way to go,(1person 1 vehicle) I like the independent suspension of 2 legs, (2 chances to mess up.) Most important we've found, is a QUICK release device to get seperate. we've tried putting one hand out front on a safety pull back buckle (like you use on crossties,) uhh it has its moments. suffice it to say we've each logged some time dragging on our backs like mutant ninja turtles. This is all because we thought there had to be a better way than a tow bar. But, balance is everything. All in all, its always fun, nomatter what. Some snow is better that others, some snow is better than no snow at all! I don't know about sand but, mud and puckerbrush, eh they slow you down . we started years ago by having a rider on a blanketed horse with the webbing going back from the first surcincle or belly band. The blanket front acted like a breast collar and it was comfy, warm and fun to fall off. My childhood experiences of tieing Christmas trees to my stirrups(in the dark) and forgeting to put up the safety latches has made me smarter, but I still feel like wiley coyote with Acme inventions from time to time. If Dave McWethy and Laurie Neeley join forces to produce Ski-joering equipage I'm behind them,ALL THE WAY! Come to Acadia this winter to field test your ideas!! Just think, LLBeans would jump at the photo opportunity to play dress up. Fjords just happen to love the game of it all, and the possibility that some ski-candy snack food might come their way.. === Joanna Crell - David Folger Willowind Therapeutic Horseback Riding Center Phone FAX (207) 288-9506
Re: skunk remedies
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOL Jean re smoking the pet. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Saying Goodbye :-(
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] OH Michele so sorry about your loss. I am so fresh from mine and know how sad and guilty (for no reason) one feels. Still see them in their favorite settings etc. But it fades and life demands attendance to the living doesn't it. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: beagle dogs
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Terriers 'irritating'? surely not?! :) My 'terriers' are Yorkie/Poos and 'irritating, aggravating, anoying, snippy' and on and on just can't describe them . And they are the BEST little farm dogs we have ever had. So scrappy. So loveable. So cute. So darn little. I love terriers of all types, but my hubby's allergies dictate a non-shedding type. (Oops, we also have a Lhasa that sheds like a persian cat! and doesn't seem to cause hiim an allergy.) Would have a beagle for sure except I had one when I was growing up. She was the world's best, most loveable black and tan beagle. but ALWAYS running off. Hubby says NOO hounds of any kind. Oh well. Any dog is nice. Martie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/15/99 5:54:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: beagles are a pain in the butt. That's why there are so many breeds -- a different fit for everybody. Most people find my terriers very irritating, including me. But my other love is Irish Setters so being irritated just must suit me. Gail
Re: 1988 Imports
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, Sure enough! MVF Frida. thanks, Martie Mike May, Registrar NFHR wrote: This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well if it is MVF Frida she is. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Saying Goodbye :-(
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] oh michele, i am so sorry. denise
Saying Goodbye :-(
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today is a sad day for us. This morning at 7:30 am we had to relieve the pain for our old mare Jensina (Jean) The vet had been out several times in the last week, because she was showing signs of colic. We had done everything we could. and She finally overnight got Very bad, and I couldnt let her be in pain anymore, when there was no cure for her. The Diagnosis was that a portion of her intestinal tract, had just basically died. and she was too old and weak to be a good candidate for surgery. I also was told by our vet, something, I did not know, which was 75% of all older horses die of some form of colic. Is this True? We were assured we had done more than most to better her life in the last year, since we got her, and nothing we did or didnt do could have caused this. Doesnt help the sadness, but atleast she isnt in anymore pain. I had such high hopes for her, when she put on weight and seemed healthy. I am SO glad she wasnt bred when this happened. OR i would be very distraught Its sad to see that the Duo of June and Jean, (Jonetta and Jensina both King Harold daughters) is gone. After being together most of their lives, They pasted away within months of each other and are together again, pulling that wagon somewhere I'd like to think Thanks for all your support and advice over the last year, regarding her Sincerely, Michele Noonan Wild Hair Ranch Fjords Stevensville, Montana
Re: dogs?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I pulled a banty rooster out of the mouths of my two smooth fox terriers who were playing tug of war with him yesterday. Today the rooster is actually fine, but not that pretty without his tail feathers.
Re: ski-joering
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like fun - I love being out in the snow with my Fjord!! Linda in MN - cold but sunny and no wind -- horses are all fuzzy and so cute!!
Re: help in finding trainers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/17/99 5:31:08 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have a little 3 year old fjord mare. I'm as novice as they come but my 3-year-old last year is good now that she's 4 and my formerly perfect 2-year-old is acting a little sassy now that she's 3. I think it may be like teenagers -- just hang on and wait. Gail
Re: Speaking of Political Correctness ...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One can get things and not agree with them.
Re: Hog fuel for Paddocks and arenas
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/15/99 7:34:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it is like being married to a man who beats you, and then occasionally you get a kiss! Same thing here when the sun comes out, it is like heaven!! Jean This is not my idea of heaven!!
Re: beagle dogs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/15/99 5:54:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: beagles are a pain in the butt. That's why there are so many breeds -- a different fit for everybody. Most people find my terriers very irritating, including me. But my other love is Irish Setters so being irritated just must suit me. Gail
Re: bored Fjords : )
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/15/99 3:19:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't want to go too far and risk a run for the barn experience! Yours will run?
Re: ski-joering a la southwest
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/17/99 10:27:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cross country ski-joering, slalom races and ballet type events. Can you do it in sand? Gail in Las Cruces
Re: ski-joering
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear dave, i'm not sure what ski-joering is, but it sounds like fun. are there photos of what it is anywhere? i live close to snow country and would love to have snow fun with my guys. denise
Secret Santa clue for Michelle Noonan
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] I delivered your package today Down to place in Santa's Sleigh It should leave North Pole soon At least by the Full Moon! If by Christmas you don't receive it, Please do not despair. Between Montana and North Pole, believe it! Your package should be somewhere?? Merry Christmas from your Secret Santa! Forwarded (late, sorry!) from your FH-L SS ELF Cynthia Madden email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Secret Santa hint to Amy Evers.
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:04 AM 12/17/99 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't drive a Fjord, I drive a Morgan, and his name is Horse. Now that is a pretty broad hint! Even I got that one figured out.
Re: Great lists
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:04 AM 12/17/99 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Been enjoying the list lately, love the dog talk and cat talk too. Hannah is a doll Mike, I am so glad she went to your home! She is fitting in quite well here. She really is a sweet dog. Well off the horse again--I am going to go ahead with raising traditional siamese cats so get on my list if you want one. Gad--I must be totally insanse. This is a possibility for sure Misha. I can say that because we have a Siamese too!!! Mike
ski-joering
This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] First the disclaimer: I don't know much about ski-joering and am just learning. Last week I watched a video from France showing cross country ski-joering, slalom races and ballet type events. I have some good friends, Laurie Neely and her son Sandy Wise, in northern MA who are very enthusiastic about it, and are developing the equipment to do it. Currently I believe that if you want to buy the equipment, what is available from Europe costs over $700, needlessly expensive. She asked me if I would produce the harness (Camptown Harness www.horseharness.com ), and they would produce the frame, to make a complete package. Their prototype is a good design and functional, but they are working to improve it. Their goal is to have a package that will sell for between $300-400, and will be equivalent or better than the European equipment used in competition there. Laurie is just in the process of buying a tack store which she will run. My preference is for her to sell the package. I think ski-joering is a sport that could give a lot of us reason to get our horses out in the winter. It looks like great fitness work for the horse, and for us more fun than should be allowed. And a price to get into it equaling a few lift tickets. Is there interest on the list in this sport? I should note that to try it, you can cob together equipment, or have a second person in a saddle. I will admit I have not done it yet myself. The closest I have come is when I have had runners on my cart, I have had the most fun standing on the runner ends at the back, with my elbows on the seat back, which turns out to be very much like ski-joering. More to report when we have some snow! If anyone wants to talk directly with Laurie, I'll give you her email address.
Re: skunk remedies
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] i concur. i was thinking the hunters had smoked something before that smoked the lab. denise
Re: Gail's Foolish Purchase
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] good for you, brigid
Secret Santa hint to Amy Evers.
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't drive a Fjord, I drive a Morgan, and his name is Horse. Forwarded by FH-L SS Elf Cynthia Madden email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: skunk remedies
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe the answer is to smoke the pet with marijuana smoke! That should make everybody happy, including the pet! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, -22 and dark so I need something to make me happy!!! At 11:34 AM 12/17/1999 EST, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK Ruthie and Steve! You guys are a stitch! First, marijuana, now smoking the pet. Ha Ha Ha ! Susan Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fjord Wanted
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Josie, Of course you can give your friend our website address. Depending on where she lives in MO, transportation could very well be free for her from our farm. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
Re: dogs?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anneli, We also have an English cocker who has the same exact sort of personality you describe with yours. The only problem with Buster is his B.O. smell. We liken it to the smell an old kitchen sponge or dishrag gets when it's past time to throw it out. Fortunately, Norma has gotten quite good at clipping his coat, and he LOVES to be given shampoos in the shower. He is a rescue as his previous owner was going to put him down because of perennial ear infections, and red, runny eyes. Fortunately, we have a german shepard who adores cleaning his ears and eyes, and has actually helped (largely) heal the ear infections that vets were never able to get completely under control. --- William M. Coli Extension Educator/ Statewide IPM Coordinator Dept. of Entomology Agricultural Engineering Bldg. UMass Amherst MA 01003 Phone: 413-545-1051 Fax: 413-545-5858 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always drink upstream from the herd. From: A Cowboy's Guide to Life, by T.B. Bender
Re: skunk remedies
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK Ruthie and Steve! You guys are a stitch! First, marijuana, now smoking the pet. Ha Ha Ha ! Susan
Re: RE: Secret Santa gift arrives!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeri and Nicky, Do you guys board or are your horses at home? The arena comment made it sound like you board. Why do they close up the barn? Susan
Re: dogs?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori, My sister has a Corgi in Montana. It is a one person dog -- in other words, it has one person in the family it considers its master. It can be nippy with kids and growls when someone trys to pet it that it doesn't like. Personally, I'd go for a good ole mutt of mixed variety. There are so many mutts at the Humane Society that need good homes. I'm sure you could find a sweetheart of a dog there. We just adopted a mutt from the Homeward Bound for Dog Program here in MN. He was 2 months and was a stray in Duluth. He is so sweet and loves anyone's attention, is good around the horses, and loves tormenting the cats. During the day, he is a house dog and at night he sleeps in his open door kennel in a stall next to my quarter horses. He's as happy as a bug in a rug! We have no idea what kind he is but he looks a little like a bloodhound only with high set ears with the coat color of a German Shepard. We'd love to know his heritage but that will forever be a mystery. It's fun hearing people guess ! Merry Christmas! Susan in MN
Secret Santa Messages
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Secret santa Info for Tracy Vinciguerra Tracy I am very happy to hear you were pleased with your gift. A few clues for you. I live in the SW and own 2 fjords, driving rather than riding is my preference. I was born and raised in England but have been in this country for 30 years, I have lived all over but never in your area. The cards I sent you I had drawn up from photographs by a local artist they have been a big hit among my Fjord owner friends. S. Debi Stai... By now hints have been given. A post card here, a post card there, a box of goodies, an envelope of more hints... Can you guess? Or are you a lurker only? Once 12/25 comes you can open the gift. Another hint is there? Guess Who? Your Secret Santa... Forwarded by your FH-L SS ELF Cynthia Madden email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Great lists
This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Been enjoying the list lately, love the dog talk and cat talk too. Hannah is a doll Mike, I am so glad she went to your home! Gail, I was at Phil's last fall. I thought Romulous was pretty super looking guy. He seemed to have too much energy for my tastes--but he is a pretty keen looking horse. Great movement--you are right. He should make a good stud. Good luck! By the way, a local lady bought Bree if anyone wanted to know about her. That is why I went to Phil's, to look at Bree for her. Well off the horse again--I am going to go ahead with raising traditional siamese cats so get on my list if you want one. Gad--I must be totally insanse. Best Misha http://www.eoni.com/~mishamez
List must move
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I started the list nearly two years ago, I shopped around for an affordable host for the list that had a good reputation with its list owners. I found one in Esosoft, and I've been happy with the reliability we've had here. And their charges were small enough that I could easily afford to absorb them. Anyway, I just received notice that Esosoft is discontinuing list hosting, and want to move us to an affiliate, Topica which hosts free lists. I've checked for alternatives, and it seems that with the rise of free list hosts, nobody is offering the service at an affordable price anymore. What does this mean to the list? There's some good, and some bad. First it will mean a small ad for Topica attached to the bottom of each message. I've found I can live with that on lists I get from Onelist. There are also some negative performance and technical issues that I'm trying to get resolved. On the positive side, there will be Web based, searchable archives available, and messaging will be available from the Web as well as email. The shift to Topica will be automatic sometime in the next couple weeks. I am exploring switching to Onelist rather than Topica, because they have more of a track record, and resolve some of my technical concerns. I will keep everyone posted with ongoing developments. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA Then we began to ride. My soul smoothed itself out, a long-cramped scroll freshening and fluttering in the wind. --Robert Browning(1812-1889)
Re: horses playing with sticks
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, This is not a very good story for Christmas time, or for any time, but while we are on the subject of horses and sticks it needs to be told. If it saves just one horse it will be worth it. A friend of ours trains horses for a living. For fun he trained a cutting horse for his own use - something he spent many hours doing, since the horse had been mishandled to the point that he hurt his former trainer! After two years of hard work he finally had his dream horse - a really priceless cutting horse from impeccable bloodlines. He and the horse were an inseparable pair. Last summer he was taking some more lessons - to better himself so he could show the horse to its full potential - from an older, fairly famous, cutting horse trainer. Rather than haul his horse back and forth to this guy's ranch in the heat, he left the horse there to be boarded for a week. The horse(now a gelding) had been kept in a stall or in a small studpen all his life. Had NEVER been out in a pasture, so he was boarded in a stall. For some reason this trainer, or his hired help, decided to turn the horse out for some sun and fresh air in the pasture. In the far corner of the pasture was an old, partly fallen down, shed. Something - who knows what - spooked the horse. He ran across the pasture, impaled himself on a broken board, and died before help could arrive. Our friend was heartbroken. That horse was like a son to him. He spent weeks kicking himself for having left the horse in someone else's care. No, this was not a Fjord. He WAS a pretty high energy horse, but not stupid. He just was in a situation he couldn't handle, plus someone had been careless in what they left lying around thinking the horses would never go near it. Forewarned is forearmed. I made a promise right there to check every inch of my pens and pastures for ANYTHING that could cause that sort of injury to a horse. I went home, went out to the pens, and picked up sticks, old branches, etc. (Also be sure your board fences are strong enough not to explode into splinters if a horse hits them. Ours are hemlock, and when they break they don't break into long splinters, they just seem to pull apart along a rounded grain line.) Hope no one else ever has this experience. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com
Fjord Wanted
This message is from: Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a lady in MO looking for Fjords. She is new to the breed and new to riding. Several of her horsey friends have recommended she shop for a Fjord. I don't think it would be proper to post her email address on the list. But if any of you would like to respond to her search, emai me privately and I'll pass it on to her. Thanks, Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Evers
This message is from: saskia schoofs [EMAIL PROTECTED] OH Its so good to see Saskia is with us again. Thank you! I remember writing under a picture of Sage The Evers' Sweet Sage, but I am convinced he couldn't be something else than sweet, as he was born in such a nice family! Thanks for your friendship, I am very happy with it! To everybody on the list: a very happy and merry X-Mas and may all your wishes and dreams come true in 2000 and may every day bring you joy. And a lot of pleasant surprizes too! from stormy Belgium, where the snow has changed to mud, Saskia
Re: winterfoals
This message is from: saskia schoofs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Joanna! babe when its drizzley and miserable. ( I remember Belgium in the winter) aargh! drizzley and miserable that's exactly the weather of today (and most days of Belgian winters). When were you in Belgium? I hope you had some sunny winterdays too (yes, they exist...) after listening to eating,drinking,farting,and pooping for a few weeks you'll be exhausted by your own false starts but able to tell the difference between a grunt and lie down and the uncomfortable turn ,sweat turn, ugh contraction baby coming now sounds. :-) Have on hand good betadine to swab the foals umbilical. Your mare hopefully wil be fine, collect and check your placenta once it is delivered. yes. I am glad your Hanoverian mare is well! I will look for colic-symptoms. Thank you for all the tips for what I should have in the medicine locker. I'll ask my vet to explain about taking pulse and temperature. Luckily, he can be here in 20 minutes, when he's at home. And I'll get baby-bottles. What I do know is frequently touch Kitty's udder, I hope to get used her to the nuzzling of the foal. Most of the time she likes it and pulls funny faces! But I don't know what kind of mother she'll be, sometimes I think all her nervousness is over, she's a calm, friendly, trusting horse and then something happens, the roof makes a funny noise or I clumsily fall over my dog and she's the same extremely untrusting, wild thing as two years ago. But luckily it doesn't take months now before she trusts me again! mamas remember who we are. my gelding is the worlds best nanny. I think my Shet gelding (Janosch) will be a good nanny too, but I'll carefully try first if Kitty let's him. It was so touching, when my first Fjord, Unna, was very ill and we were waiting for a trailer to bring her to the hospital and she even couldn't stand anymore, but was lying on the ground, Janosch, who had never in his life been treated friendly by her (she bit and kicked him), gave her gentle pushes with his nose and when she wouldn't (couldn't) stand up (she died a few hours later), he understood and lay down next to her, as to comfort her. He's a very little horse, with a very big heart. Also, since I have my new Fjord colt Zeno, it is very strange. Sybren loves to play with Zeno, but sometimes Kitty won't let him. She has a way of telling him he's HER boyfriend and must stay with her and not run around the pasture with that new one. Zeno looks rather sad then as he loves fooling around with Sybren too, but Janosch understands immediately, and he goes and skips and runs around Zeno, until Zeno begins to play with him, and the strange thing is then that Zeno really looks like he's having fun, but Janosch looks as if he was hired to amuse Zeno. In turn, they chase after eachother and it's cute to see that Zeno (who can run three times faster than Janosch), gallops slowly when Janosch chases him, pretending he can't go any faster! Janosch then really runs as fast as his little legs can carry him, a hilarious sight! But I'm getting carried away... :- Having horse babies keeps you young. Good luck and 2000 joys! Thank you! Happy 2000 with lovely foals and a lot of fun with your horses! Thanks for all the advices! Saskia
Re: Winter Foals
This message is from: saskia schoofs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sini! Thank you for your mail! You really made me feel more at ease! I was so nervous lately, as if Kitty were the first mare in the world to have a foal! But thanks to you and of course thanks to Pamela, Brian and Joanna and the knowledge this list exists, I begin to feel as if everything will be allright! I love your website! We actually had to use a hair-dryer which she enjoyed so that she fell asleep in our hands. (A good form of imprint training!) :- I have to find my hair-dryer! I only use it in summer (to stir up the barbecue :-))) Kaci also seemed to be happy to be able to choose the actual place herself. aha. The (foaling) stall is in a small pasture with trees. If she foals by dailight and it doesn't freeze, it might be safer indeed to let her choose where to foal. From then on the baby and Kaci were outdoors all the time. If Kitty likes her herd I would probably let her foal in the company of the others. It may be a nice experience for her to know that the others are there to guard her safety won't the young colts attack the foal? Well, I hope to have them gelded still before the birth, but I don't know if that's possible in December. If the weather remains like this not, but maybe it will change. I don't think it matters to the foal whether the colts are gelded. But I guess you mean you can't put them together with Kitty so that they won't breed her. yes, also. and because I heard horror stories about colts/stallions killing foals. But on the other hand, my farrier (again him!) always lets his mares foal in the herd, with his stallion, and there has never been an accident or incident. You could also check these sites out: http://horseforum.com/tjones/manual.htm http://www.cyberfoal.com/ good idea Thanks again for your help! Good luck and a lot of happiness to you, your family and all of your horses and other animals in 2000! Saskia
Re: winterfoals
This message is from: saskia schoofs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Brian, I would second Pam's advice about having blankets nearby, but not using them unless there are problems. You can be prepared with some towels to dry the baby off. Yes. Will Kitty allow me easily to do that? She's a strange horse, she was extremely nervous when I bought her two years ago and has improved a lot, but I'm concerned about how she will react (it's her first foal - and mine!) I wonder... these last weeks (2 or 3 weeks) she has days that she absolutely doesn't want to be touched. Normally, she doesn't like big hugs, but she likes to be stroked, but now she has days that She runs away when I stretch my hand out to her, and other days she's normal again. Can this be caused by her pregnancy and maybe pain or discomfort? You might start shutting her in at night and during bad weather starting about two weeks before she's due. Also, you might want to put her in a stall if you have to be away during the day for a length of time. Mares are notorious for not giving you any advance warning that they are preparing to foal. :-) If they're just going to be across the fence from each other though, that's fine too. yes, the three other horses will just be at the other side of the fence. Some cons would be that 1) sometimes a newborn foal imprints on another horse in the pasture, rather than its mother. maybe even easier when it's another horse of it's own size? Thank you for warning me for everything that can happen. Normally it's enough for her to flatten her ears and everybody flees, but I don't know how dominant she'll be when the other three are curious to get near to the new one... In general, though, if you can tell the mare has been in labor for more than 15-20 minutes, and you're not yet starting to see part of the foal, you've got problems. so, it's really important to have the birth alarm. Something that usually helps predict when a foal is coming is the test kit that tests for calcium in the mare's milk. Have you heard of these? No, never. I will ask for such tests. Hope everything goes well Saskia! Thank you for everything! Saskia
Re: winterfoals
This message is from: saskia schoofs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Pamela, thank you for your mail. First: a heat lamp. very good idea! I hadn't thought about that yet! As I go to the horse-shop later today (they just phoned me to tell me a book about foaling arrived), I will inform if they sell those lamps. Buy a foal blanket, by all means. You may not need it, but if you do need it, it is good to have on hand. yes, I will. But as I understand, I have a good chance that the foal will be born with a winter-coat! Still, it's better to have a blanket at hand if the foal should need it. When the baby is being born, have lots of clean dry towels handy to dry the wet baby off (mom will do most of it, but if it is super cold, it's nice to do. haha! you should have heard my mom when she asked me this morning what I wanted for X-Mas and I answered I would be very happy if she could miss old towels (as long as they were soft, of course! :-)! Our foaling stalls are adequate size. 24 x 12. I almost asked: is that inch? :-))) But after a bit of calculating I think it's feet? That's good, because the stall I intended for foaling must be about that size. I also bought a baby monitor so we could hear signs of impending birth. yes. My farrier informed me I can rent in the nearest city's horse-shop. Sent my husband out to the barn that night, he didn't believe me that she would foal that night, I won a $20 bet! :-))) Good luck and have fun with the new one. He may be one of the first Millenium Fjords! Thank you!!! But he will only be half a Fjord, I hope you don't mind (Kitty is a Haflinger). I followed the discussion about cross breeding on the list, but we have a different approach here and there are a lot of cross-bred horses in Belgium and Holland (though I never saw a Haflinger x Fjord). But I have to add that I wanted to breed Kitty to a Haflinger stallion last year, but she didn't get in heat, so vet and I concluded that Sybren (then 18 months old and improbable to could have done it, also because he was very small then) did it anyway. And she did get very large and thick, but when I called the vet again, because I thought she would foal in a month or so (that was in May of this year) he pronounced her belly to be caused by good food only... and found in her womb a very little foal of 3 months old... to be born in January! Now she's really like a balloon and I see the difference now between a very well-fed horse and a very pregnant one... (one learns by practice!) So, I'm sure the foal will be a funny thing, and as I have place enough, it can stay with me for ever and I won't breed it. And as Sybren and Zeno will be gelded as soon as possible, this will be the only Half-Fjord. Because I believe Fjords are perfect and can't be improved! Still, I'm glad (for strictly human and sentimental reasons) that the Kid (Kitty) and Sybren will have a foal, because they are so in love with eachother, always standing side by side, nose to nose, or heads on eachothers backs... so I imagine they really wanted their milleniumbaby :-))) merry X-mas and all the best for 2000! Saskia
Re: Swedish Vallhunds
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello to those of you who wished more information on Swedish Vallhunds (Little Viking Dog) The rescue site is part of the Swedish Vallhund Club of America Club web site go down the home page index on the left. They get along well with chickens and ducks and cats although we did have a male Pekin duck who sexually imprinted on the Valls and chased them, grabbed them by the scruff of the neck and sorry, but I don't know how else to say it, humped them ducky style. The Vall didn't like it at all but I have an Airedale that rolls over on his back and lets the ducks crawl all over him. Anyway Vall's are clean and outgoing and are extremely loyal to their owner. I see more and more of them at FairHill International in the dog agility trials. They get along with the cats, but aren't beyond a little game of stalk and run if things get boring. The popular story of their origin is that the Vikings brought them to England to make the Corgi or they ripped off the Corgi to make the Vallhund. Bought my second dog in England, but those were in the days when there were only 90 Valls in the US. I like to think of them as BIG dogs in little dog suits. They live a long time and aren't particularly prone to any specific diseases. Friends in NY found a Vallhund roaming the streets of Brooklyn many years ago. Much speculation on where she came from, but she was most definitely a Vallhund. They estimated her age at around four she lived with them for over 20 years before she finally died of old age. Anyone interested in Corgis would not be disappointed with a Vallhund and they are really perfect farm and family dogs. Love the car and make good company on the show circuit.
ski joring
This message is from: Susan Sellew [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to do some ski joring. Can someone give me some advice on how to go about it? I have a breastplate and tugs from a Cob sized harness that I can use, but I can't figure out how to safely attach the rope from the harness to the skier. Any suggestions? I'd also like to hear the warnings for horse, rider and skier. Also, what skis work best? Can downhill boots and bindings be used or am I better off using x-c? Thanks, Susan
Fwd: help in finding trainers
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] I received this email and thought someone here might be able to help. If so please reply directly to Joanna Cadorette at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Joanna Cadorette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: help in finding trainers Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:52:46 -0500 Hello, I have a little 3 year old fjord mare. I moved from Ohio where I was working with a trainer to Connecticut in June. The horse moved in August and while I've been settling into my new job and finding housing her training has come to a stand still. But she is starting to act 3 and sassy and I am in search of a good trainer who will gently work with me and my pony to help produce a solid, stable, safe, secure riding horse. I spend a lot of time with her out and about and she has been very gentle and brave, but as she grows, her personality is shifting and I really need some professional assistance. I live in Southeastern Ct near the Rhode Island border and am willing to travel for training and could move my horse to the facility for the winter as well. Do you have a list or any contacts in my area that I can call on? I really appreciate your help. Yours, Joanna K. Cadorette Joanna K. Cadorette Costuming Manager Mystic Seaport Museum The Museum of America and the Sea 75 Greenmanville Ave. PO Box 6000 Mystic, CT 06355 [EMAIL PROTECTED] org (860)572-0711 ext.5088 http://www.mysticseaport.org === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Winter Foals
This message is from: Sini Seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Saskia, our Kaci had one of her foals here in Finland when there was still some snow on the ground in places. Guess what - the baby (Troia) must have known it was cold outside as she was born with a thick, wooly coat - quite different from e.g. the following foal Somnus who was born with a silky coat next summer! So she was definitely warm except when she ran so much she got wet one evening. We actually had to use a hair-dryer which she enjoyed so that she fell asleep in our hands. (A good form of imprint training!) Kaci didn't have a blanket when she was foaling in her pasture. However, had she been sweating more she might have needed one afterwards. The temp was about 2-4 degrees Centigrade. I think it's safer to let the mare foal outdoors if possible because there's no way the foal can end up in a difficult position between the mare and a wall or anything like that. Kaci also seemed to be happy to be able to choose the actual place herself. She picked up a nice, even, safe place under the trees. (Quite many Fjord people around here also think the foals who are born outside often become even healthier than other Fjord babies. At least Kaci's foals have always been completely healthy.) From then on the baby and Kaci were outdoors all the time. If Kitty likes her herd I would probably let her foal in the company of the others. It may be a nice experience for her to know that the others are there to guard her safety - especially since she is a dominant mare: I don't think the others will disturb her. If you want to keep them separate you could still turn them out with the others quite soon. The idea of having your Shetland pony with her sounds very good. In any case, Kitty will protect the foal from the others if they tend to get too wild. It took Kaci about an hour before she recovered well enough to realise what she's supposed to do. First she didn't protect the foal as much as she perhaps could have when the rest of the herd wanted to get to know the newcomer. Everything went well, however. I don't think it matters to the foal whether the colts are gelded. But I guess you mean you can't put them together with Kitty so that they won't breed her. There are a lot of good foaling-related sites on the net. You could try 'foal', 'foaling', 'imprint training' and words like that on some of the search engines. You could also check these sites out: http://horseforum.com/tjones/manual.htm http://www.cyberfoal.com/ All the best to all of you! What a wonderful way to start a new millennium! Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Mane Trimming
This message is from: Sini Seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, one thing to make the mane stand up is to make it thinner. (Sorry if I'm repeating someone else's texts and somebody's mentioned this already - a few messages went missing before I managed to read them.) Have heard Norwegian horse people traditionally use a knife to grab the black part of the mane and to pull it out so that some of the hairs come out. I've got a pair of those scissors that barbers used to use (perhaps they still do) to shingle hair - you know those scissors with even, tiny teeth and gaps on the blades. They cut only 50% of the hair that goes through the blades while the rest is left intact. Makes it nice and even. Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: dogs?
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori wrote: We are wanting something small, and to be honest have had 3 dobies and big dogs besides them. This will be our first small dog since being a kid and having a dashhound!!! We want something that isn't going to bark a lot and that will love kids, chickens(not to eat), horses, adults, and cats... hahaha... not asking for much!!! Hey, that sounds like MY dog Fredman! He's a 2 yo English Cocker Spaniel who loves EVERYBODY and lives happily together with my fjords, my cats, my chinchillas and our two other dogs (the Borzoi Caspian and the Komondor Daphne). He's especially good with kids. My friend's 2 yo son was discovered with his fingers in Fredman's mouth, cause he wanted to check what his teeth felt like! The kind dog didn't do anything - he just sat there. The only 'danger' when he is around kids is that he loves them so much (this is a dog that LOVES not LIKES everyone) that he might cause them to fall when he wants to say hallo and give them cocker-kisses. He also has a dashing tail (we don't dock tails in Sweden) that is a danger to small kids, because the tail is CONSTANTLY moving. Well, actually Fredman barkes a bit...but I think that it's because he was brought up spending many hours alone in a house with a kennel of barking Japanese spitzes (is that the correct English name - pretty small, white spitz-hounds from Japan?) next door. We got him as a 1 yo when his old family didn't have time for him anymore. I don't think that the barking would have been a problem if we had gotten him as a pup. It has become much better, now he only barks when he's extremly happy, when he sees a strange dog or when he and Caspian play. Cockers are always happy and want to follow whereever you go. Fredman is happy as long as he can be together with us. He loves to ride in the car, to follow me to the barn - anything as long as we're together. Not all English Cockers have nice temperament though. If you consider a Cocker, check out to find a breeder with nice-tempered dogs. I also like Cairnterriers. My choice for a dog was actually either a Cocker or a Cairn. They are nice dogs full with energy. One of the other boarders at my barn has a cairn terrier - she follows us on 2 hours trails without a doubtand when she gets home she starts playing with her ball! Regards Anneli in Sweden P.S. To the owner of Swedish vallhunds - if you didn't know it, it might be fun to know that the breed is called 'Västgötaspets' here. D.S. ** Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
Re: dogs?
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori, I will say again how much I appreciate my Corgie and my boy Keeper who just died. They are friendly to all, never bother my chickens or ducks, kill possum, rats and other varmints. Rue was in a kennel for three years and when I first got him he tended to seriously chase anything that ran including a near miss of Lucy the barn cat. It took two lectures before he left her alone. When I first met him, he was four and he jumped on me. I do not like that and told him a strong No When he came home with me I had only to tell him one more time, No and he has never jumped on me or anyone else since. He will bark at newcomers but then will go home with them as he has not bondedyet. Keeper was my boy from day one, but I got him as a puppy. They are the most beautiful puppies of all.. They are very good around the horses who get serious about following my directions when the dogs come running to help me. They are very hardy and can stand cold weather as they have thick coats. They guard the place from other dogs but if the dogs get in, act like they are old friends. They do shed. Really quite perfect doggies. After all the Queen has them Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Speaking of Political Correctness ...
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori, Lol re your greetings. Lol does not even hint at anything grammatically, religiously. racially or colorfully discriminatory. More precisely LOL stands for laugh out loud which should not qualify for any response other than a guffaw Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
