Brag!! an open show with 2 Fjord only classes!

[MNoonan931]

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Hi Everyone,  We had a great Saturday at an Open show put on by a theraputic 
Riding center in Butte, Montana,  They use a Fjord in their program, and also 
board 3 Fjords their also.  Joannie Kissock, the barn owner also has trained 
several Fjords of Storrs and Bev Bishops, and Sarah Nagel, and soon, one of 
ours.
We all committed to coming, (of course!) and she made two Fjord classes, a 
halter classes (which I had her download copies of breed standard, from the 
NFHR) and a Walk Trot class.   WE HAD 7 FJORDS IN THE CLASSES!!   Yippee,  
The breed was so well represented, they stole the show.  I think Bev Bishop's 
Fjord took first in the halter class. and our mare Tone' with Mandy riding, 
took 1st in the riding class.  Tone' and Mandy went on to kick some butt in 
the other English classes as well. They also had a matched pairs class.  
Mandy rode Tone' and I rode Sarah Nagels mare Orianna (other than being 
Fjords, they aren't even close to a match  LOL)  we placed 3rd, with lots of 
giggles, trying to get Ori to keep up with Tone's fast pace.
Sarah and I finally got to meet Bev Bishop and promptly invited ourselves 
over to her place in spring for a ride!!!.  The other guy in Butte (Mike) 
boards his Fjords at that barn but I never caught his last name, He was very 
nice too.

We had a blast, and Mandy took highpoint youth, The day was wonderful, we had 
to get up at 4am to leave by 5:45, to be in Butte by 9, but still, it was 
worth it,
The only really eventful thing was the trip home, when my alternator seized 
up 60 miles from home in the middle of no where,  But luckily a cop was 
nearby and my husband came to the rescue, to get the horses and AAA took the 
car.  We had it fixed by noon the next day.

Do you know how dark it is in Montana at 10pm?  DARK

Well just had to tell you all,  We have SO much fun with our Fjords, hope you 
do too

Mike and Michele Noonan (and kids)
Stevensville, Mt

National Show and Regions

[BKFJORDS]

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Hello folks,

Here is MHO on the National Show discussion:  Several years ago when I was on 
the BOD, it was suggested that we have a Fjord Expo.  The idea was not widely 
accepted on the BOD, most thought it was not the time, nor were there enough 
people to do the work.  I am not sure the membership is ready for it now.

An event such as this is fun to talk about, but would be a tremendous amount 
of work.  For whom?  Volunteers!  I have been in charge of horse shows and 
the thought of something on this scope scares me.  Volunteers are hard to 
come by and the fact that they would have to come from all over would be a 
lot to ask.  How many people can contribute the MONEYand TIME this would 
take?  If the idea is to have more people see Fjords, how about an effort to 
have more participation in Expos?  

The suggested idea of Regions makes sense to me mainly due to the fact that 
distances would not be so prohibitive for folks to participate.

Regards,
Bernadine Karns
Michigan
Ride and Drive Safe

Pigeon Fever/mare leasing

[Patty Bronson]

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Hi Everyone,

Thank you for all the information on both subjects... I appreciate it!

Patty
Paradise Acres
Junction City, OR

Re: Pigeon Fever

[Jean Ernest]

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I think Pigeon Fever is the same thing as "Dry-land distemper, more common
in, say, California than in the East. 

The UC DAVIS BOOK OF HORSES states that the bacteria "Corynebacterium
psuedotuberculosis" causes large, painful abcess, occurs sporadically in
horses in the western states, most often during late summer and early fall.
Thought to be carried by ticks or flies.

Abcesses are most often in the chest muscles, thus "Pigeon" fever.

Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, light snow, 12 degrees F  

>Has anyone heard or know anything about "pigeon fever".  I was talking with
>a friend whose horse was diagnosed with this. 

Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
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Re: Pigeon Fever

[Lori Albrough]

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Patty Bronson wrote:

> Has anyone heard or know anything about "pigeon fever".  

This website has info on it:

http://www.horsekeeping.com/Horse_Newsletter/November_1999.htm#Pigeon Breast

Lori

Fjord Art - Robert Duncan

[Cheryl Beillard]

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Just thought I'd tell you I've been off line wandering around the Bayside
Gallery site that Cathy recommended and LOVED it .. the fjord prints are
wonderful, but the funny thing is I've been buying these prints as Xmas
cards for eons without realizing who the artist was.  What a great
suggestion to put this site on the list .. it has all the elements that
would appeal to most fjord owners/lovers to my mind! I'm about to order
several prints and some cards, which some of you may be receiving in due
course.

Re: Fjord Art

[Northhorse]

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In a message dated 10/31/00 1:34:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Do you know of
 any other artist that uses Fjords?  >>
Besides Ingrid (who I just highly recommended email last) there is this neat 
website: http://www.horsegift.com/breeds.htm
They have lots of neat gifts, with many of them available in Fjord.  Just 
looking at a fjord Christmas tree ornament, it's cute.

Pamela

Re: leasing mare

[DBLDAYFARM]

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> Does anyone have any thoughts, opinions, experience with leasing or having
>  leased out a mare.  Cost, medical, potential hazards, foaling out, etc,
>  etc...
Patty,  we have leased quite a few mares out over the years.  First thing, 
sit down and figure out a written contract, this is a must-have.what we 
have done in the past is to have the "leasee"  purchase insurance on an 
agreed value for the horse... with myself (lessor) as the beneficiary.  Also 
they are responsible for any and all vet costs, farrier, general upkeep of 
the horse.  If they lease the mare for breeding only, we state that in the 
contract.. if they lease to use the horse for riding or show, we state that 
as well, along with any limitations.  Each and every lease varies from horse 
to horse and the situation.  I hope I have at least helped somewhat.

Lou   
Check out our website
 http://hometown.aol.com/dbldayfarm/index.html";>DoubleDay Farm - 
Paint & Miniature Horses 

Pigeon Fever

[Patty Bronson]

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Has anyone heard or know anything about "pigeon fever".  I was talking with
a friend whose horse was diagnosed with this.  We have been unable to find
any information on it.

Thanks,

Patty
Paradise Acres
Junction City, OR

Re: bitting, artwork

[Northhorse]

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In a message dated 10/31/00 5:58:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< As far as "Artwork" goes...here are a few examples: (cards, T's, portraits,
 welcome plaques, trinket boxes, totebags, magnets, etc...) >>

Oh Ingrid, those are ALL beautiful.  But you know, I'm kinda partial to the 
"Foalitch" one!   Really need to get an order in for some plaques and 
t-shirts.  You capture the spirit of the fjord so well.  

I've been quiet about this, but I met Ingrid when I went to Ohio for a visit 
last month (jeez, almost TWO months now, time is flying).  And I had a photo 
with me of my Misha/Juniper baby when she was one day old.  After seeing 
Ingrid's beautiful artwork, I knew she would do the picture of this sweet 
filly justice.  And she did.  Anytime I have an exceptional photo of a fjord, 
I know who to go to to make it into an artistic masterpiece!   

Pamela

bitting, artwork

[Ingrid Ivic]

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>We've started several quarterhorses, but they were younger and had had tons
>on ground work done before we got on their backs.  So instead we're starting
>with a grown horse who's always been able to do pretty much as she pleases.
>I'd appreciate any help you can give.
>AO

Hi there Ardeth...

I've had good luck going back to basics with any horse that is 
resistant to
anything. Lots of ground work first (long-lining, lunging, and ground driving,
etc).   
Get them listening to you on the ground...then when you go back to 
working in
the saddle again, use the mildest bit possible. 
I like using either a full-cheek or loose-ring snaffle. For those 
horses with
thick palates, you may try using a thin bradoon snaffle bit. (...this is
commonly used in conjunction with a curb bit, in a double bridle, for dressage)
Hope some of this helps...don't forget to have the vet check her mouth! 
There
may a physical reason for the resistance. They don't have too many ways of
telling us what pains them...then it ends up pain-ing us, 'eh?  ;o)

As far as "Artwork" goes...here are a few examples: (cards, T's, 
portraits,
welcome plaques, trinket boxes, totebags, magnets, etc...)

http://www.geocities.com/fullmoonfjords/fjordsatfencecard.jpg
(one of many card types)

http://www.geocities.com/fullmoonfjords/foalitch.jpg
(a recently commissioned portrait)

http://www.geocities.com/fullmoonfjords/momfoal.jpg
(used for card art)

http://www.geocities.com/fullmoonfjords/beckyandmira1.jpg
(my daughter and her favorite fjord)

http://www.geocities.com/fullmoonfjords/fjordtrotdriven.jpg
(one of many T-shirt designs)

http://www.geocities.com/fullmoonfjords/marefoalpom.jpg
(used for T and sweatshirt design)

These are only a small portion of examples...thanks for viewing them. 
New art
is in the works...(several commissions were accepted recently).
Happy fjording!
Ingrid in Ohio

Re: Introduction

[Epona1971]

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In a message dated 10/29/00 4:57:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<   My name is Reena.  I live in Calif. >>

Welcome Reena!

I am also in CA, in the SF Bay Area. My Fjords live in Half Moon Bay.

Brigid

Lease options

[Pedfjords]

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In a message dated 00-10-31 17:11:37 EST, you write:

<< This message is from: "Patty Bronson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Does anyone have any thoughts, opinions, experience with leasing or having
 leased out a mare.  Cost, medical, potential hazards, foaling out, etc,
 etc need all the why to's, why for's, why not's
  >>

I could jump in here, and so could Louanna !   I leased 
her beautiful mare Johanna, a Gjest daughter, in return for riding practice 
and mostly driving training. We taught her to drive, and showed her at 
Turlock in '98, with Jeff taking 3rd in Gentalman to drive. 

   While she really did well at home, and especially with another single 
horse along, Johanna loves to ride more that drive I believe. She also 
produced a wonderful stud colt, Valjo, for us, out of Margaret Strackins, 
Valbjorn, by Slipner.  We bred her back for Louanna to our Stallion, Nels, by 
Anvils Steinfin. Unfort. even though she checked in bred 3 times, the vets 
proclaimed her pregnancy " soft ". and she did not produce a foal when she 
was due.   Shes back for the winter, bred back to Nels ( took first time ! ) 
and it appears after 2 ultrasounds to be a viable pregnancy. She will live a 
life of luxury here in a private box stall / paddock combo, and be bred back 
for Louanna when she returns home.  Louanna pays for insurance on her, and we 
pick up all other expenses. Shes on Regumate, per the vets suggestion, since 
last year she slipped one, and so far, so good.  

  I think Louanna would attest to a lease on this mare being a good thing. 
Shes cutting back on horses, and I would love something as nice as this mare 
produced for us last time, so. I would do it again, in a heartbeat.  I 
know that others have heard horror stories about leasing deals, but from this 
end, it has been a good venture.  It does help to be friends first.but no 
worries here.   Lou ? 

 Lisa Pedersen * Cedar City, UTAH   rain, snow, rain, snow, rain 
snow.flodded here, and it never even puddles normally.  First standing 
water Ive seen since Ive moved, and its everywhere with more predicted.   
;  (

fat snaffles and training horses to be light

[sfjords]

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Have to agree with both pieces of advice from Karen. My old fat snaffles
from days of earlier dressage did not fit the Fjords at all! I went with a
5and half inche loose ring with failry thin bars and all the horses seem to
like that one. 

Yes well I had bought a horse that went well but was at times very very
chargey and he had been used to being ridden in a mechanical hackamore, one
of the more severe ones. By the time I sent him on to his new owners you
could ride him without a bridle if you wanted to.  The idea is less is more
I think.

But it takes time huh Karen. I put many many many hours into that horse to
get him light and responsive and he stopped being chargey to very sensitive
to the aids.  On the other hand, the hourse were mostly fun so we both gained.

As far as Natural horsemanship stuff I am for it. the other day due to my
being tired, I forgot and left a key gate open leading into a small orchard
then opens onto a busy road. Great. A couple of the mares went through
leaving some others and their own foals behind. With hand signals I told
those left behind to stay where they were, and also went through the gate
and used more hand signals tell the loose horses to get back in the 'yard'
right now! They did without a problem. GAD! I remember the old days finding
a situation like this where you had to run back to the house, get halters
and grain buckets (and by then the horses were already down the road) and
try and keep the horses left behind from panicking that their buddies and
moms were gone. What a total nightmare. Of course the horses could have
spooked and got away anyway, but they didn't and I could just motion to
them were to go and they did. Whew. I don't want any body to tell me that
kind of training is a racket ! 

Happy Halloween

Misha from Shota Fjords in Eastern Oregon where it is cold, foggy and down
right nasty outside

Re: Meadowbrook carts

[Marsha Jo Hannah]

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> Lori Puster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I might have the opportunity to buy a used Meadowbrook cart.
> [...]
> What do people think of them

Meadowbrooks are a case of "love them or hate them".  Personally, I
don't like them, because I am "co-ordination challenged".  The driver
has to simultaneously hold up the passenger seat (which has to be
folded up out of the way), keep good contact with the horse's mouth
(because stepping onto the back step overbalances the cart to the
rear, lifting on the harness belly band, making the horse want to
move), meanwhile hoisting oneself up onto a moving object, with all
hands already occupied.  Then make the horse stand still while the
passenger does likewise.  Getting out fast and to the horse's head in
an emergency involves a risky flying leap over the fender and wheel.
I prefer something that's "easy entry".

Most meadowbrooks seat the driver somewhat low to the ground.  This
improves stability, but you'd better like the looks of your horse's
rump and tail.  ;-)

> are there any areas of concern in looking at a used cart?

Look it over, to see if everything matches.  If not, it may have been
repaired after a wreck, in which case, have someone very experienced
go over the vehicle.  Wheels are always an area of concern---are they
tight, and are the axles "straight" (which can include a downward bend
at the end, if the wheels are designed to be "dished").  On level
ground, the spokes that are directly under the hub should be perfectly
vertical.

> What size wheel is best for a 14h Fjord?

The seat of the vehicle needs to ride level, and the tip of the shaft
should be at the point of shoulder of the animal.  Obviously, the
exact construction of everything inbetween will affect what size the
wheels should be.

Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   anything that can go wrong, will!
15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon

Re: Bitting

[OLSENELAIN]

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On the subject of thin bits for Fjords, I have found the best luck with my 
bradoon snaffle bit. This is the thin snaffle that is normally used with a 
double bridle and it is quite thin, but I use it as my regular bit. It seems 
to fit this Fjord's mouth well and he goes very well with it. The thick 
snaffle interfered with his mouth and I think stuck him in the roof of his 
mouth when it was used. The bradoon is a legal bit for showing in AHSA/USDF 
dressage shows. 

Fjord harnesses and Meadowbrook cart for sale

[Debby Stai]

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Didn't remember if it was OK or not to post for sale items.  Quickly
(see if I can slip it in), a Smuckers leather harness, very nice shape,
came with a 13.2hand Fjord mare and a synthetic harness, in really good
shape for the same Fjord.  These have hardly been used at all.  Also
came with a very nice Oak Meadowbrook cart, I believe to be balanced
well, with spares box.  Been stored in garage, hardly used.  I'm located
in midMissouri.  For sale or I'd consider mini and/or pony carts and
harnesses of equal value in exchange.  Thanks.  Debby

Re: Fjord Art

[Reena]

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Thanks for the great LinkI may have to get one of these!! Do you know of
any other artist that uses Fjords?   I found some cute coasters with Fjords
on them  www.tackinthebox.com   I believe they are $21 for a set of 4

reena
- Original Message -
From: "Cathy Koshman" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 12:52 PM
Subject: Fjord Art


This message is from: Cathy Koshman 

I'm a fan of the art of  Robert Duncan. I have a print of "To Spring
Pastures"
and it makes me smile every time I look at it. I just came across a site
which
has a couple more of his pictures which have fjords in them. Christmas
shopping anyone??

Go to http://www.digisys.net/bayside and look at Robert Duncan - Posters
On Page 8 is "To Spring Pastures"
  Page 9 is "December Snows"
  Page 10 is "Solstice Sleigh Ride"
Also go to Robert Duncan - Prints - Boxed greeting Cards
Page 3 - #3074 shows a box of cards of "To Spring Pastures"

Cathy Koshman - Misty Meadows B&B and Fjords on Vancouver Island, BC where
the
sunny, fall riding weather just goes on and on and on - and so do the
guests -
yea!

Fjord Art

[Cathy Koshman]

This message is from: Cathy Koshman 

I'm a fan of the art of  Robert Duncan. I have a print of "To Spring Pastures"
and it makes me smile every time I look at it. I just came across a site which
has a couple more of his pictures which have fjords in them. Christmas
shopping anyone??

Go to http://www.digisys.net/bayside and look at Robert Duncan - Posters
On Page 8 is "To Spring Pastures"
  Page 9 is "December Snows"
  Page 10 is "Solstice Sleigh Ride"
Also go to Robert Duncan - Prints - Boxed greeting Cards
Page 3 - #3074 shows a box of cards of "To Spring Pastures"

Cathy Koshman - Misty Meadows B&B and Fjords on Vancouver Island, BC where the
sunny, fall riding weather just goes on and on and on - and so do the guests -
yea!

Maine Fjord Horse Club

[Gumbisue]

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Hi List,
For all of you Maine Fjord horse owners lurking out there we (Aimee and Sue) 
have started a fjord horse club for Maine Fjord owners and entuhusiasts.  
Please go to our web site at http://MaineFjordClub.homestead.com/page1.html
Please give us your input.  Thanx
Aimee and Sue 

National Show

[ARDETH OBENAUF]

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While rotating the show does seem the fairest, it is difficult to book a
facility for one year only.  Usually once a big show has a facility they are
happy with, they book the facility for the coming year immediatly afterwards
to ensure getting the date they want.  The facility management will give
them the option of renewing for a short period of time before opening it to
other shows.

AO

Re: Bitting

[Karen McCarthy]

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Now I've been taught to sit correctly, and am working on my legs (thighs
turned in, deep knee).  And feeling the horses back legs, riding back to
front...Nikki has gone from a bone jarring trot to a trot I can sit, 
>comfortably.  Her ears are forward 

Pamela


Isn't amazing Pamela, what you have to go through, to find out exactly what 
is right? It seems so simple, but in a way, if you hadn't of had all your 
prior experience, you would never have known what you had been missing...

Good for you & your ponies!
 Karen

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Meadowbrook carts

[MoonWise]

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I might have the opportunity to buy a used Meadowbrook cart.  I believe it's
the basic model (Trailblazer).

What do people think of them, and are there any areas of concern in looking
at a used cart?  What size wheel is best for a 14h Fjord?

Thanks.

Lori Puster
MoonWise Farm
Bella Vista, CA

Leasing a Mare

[Patty Bronson]

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Does anyone have any thoughts, opinions, experience with leasing or having
leased out a mare.  Cost, medical, potential hazards, foaling out, etc,
etc need all the why to's, why for's, why not's

Thanks,

Patty Bronson
Paradise Acres
Junction City, OR

Re: National Show

[Lori Albrough]

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I love Pat Holland's ideas of a National Show. It sounds so exciting, all
those stallions to drool over, all the people and horses from all over the
country to finally meet in person. 

Personally I would prefer a single central location that stayed the same
every year. If the national show moves around, I don't think we'll get the
'bringing together' effect and chance to meet people and their horses from
outside our geographical region. Lincoln Nebraska looks quite central and I
would travel to go there, and bring horses, it looks like a three day drive
from here. 

Tops on my list for attending any show is that it is well organized and run.
By that I mean that the programs go out well in advance to allow me to plan
who I'm bringing and what I'm going in; that the classes start on time and
finish by a reasonable time; that the judge is very familiar with Fjord
breed type; that the facilities are safe; that there are written rules and
standards for tack, apparel, etc. This does not in any way detract from the
fun or friendliness of a show. I know I have travelled very far to go to
regional shows where some of the above points were missing. This detracts
from my enjoyment of the show and I wonder if it accounts for the low
attendance in recent years. The new show held in NY was very well organized
and also very fun and friendly, so the two are not mutually exclusive.

Here's to Pat for coming up with such an ambitious idea, and I hope it
becomes a reality.

Lori Albrough
Moorefield Ontario

Re: Bitting

[Northhorse]

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In a message dated 10/31/00 9:06:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< . Am I correct in that the type of work you are 
 doing now focuses less on hand and 'cranking' the horse into a frame, and 
 more work thru the back thru the seat and legs?  >>

That is EXACTLY what we're doing.  It is so refreshing, to find trainers who 
teach this!  In the past trainers have wanted me to do leg yields, or go over 
jumps, or "put the horse in a frame", when I would beg them to help me with 
my seat first and foremost!  And never got the answers I sought.  

Now I've been taught to sit correctly, and am working on my legs (thighs 
turned in, deep knee).  And feeling the horses back legs, riding back to 
front.  So far, we're not even cantering yet.  And I don't care!  Just about 
a half hour a day on walk, trot.  Nikki has gone from a bone jarring trot to 
a trot I can sit, comfortably.  Her ears are forward and while I am 
maintaining a connection with her mouth, it is not the focus of the riding.  
More of support, while I use my seat and legs to ask.  I have a ways to go to 
be a decent rider, but at least I have some of the tools at my disposal.

Oh yes, one of the biggest things I have learned (through the instructor, but 
reinforced POSITIVELY by Nikki and Juniper) is that until you can ride crisp, 
clean patterns, you will be a bit of a sloppy rider in general.  We're 
working on our circles, serpentines, etc.  And doing better than I would have 
imagined! 

Pamela

Re: Bitting

[Karen McCarthy]

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Started taking classical dressage lessons (yes, competitive is a world away) 
and this horse started looking EAGER when I came to bridle her.  Now I hold 
up a bridle and she picks up the bit and almost bridles herself!  She loves 
it!  Think it has more to do with my new way or riding than anything else 
though .


Pamela

Pamela,
I think you are right about "a new way of riding". When a horse expresses 
its personality positively through your work together,and seeks you out, 
that's what its all about. Am I correct in that the type of work you are 
doing now focuses less on hand and 'cranking' the horse into a frame, and 
more work thru the back thru the seat and legs? It reminded me of what I 
have to do sometimes.
If I am on a really resistant horse, I sometimes force myself to completely 
ignore its "face" (front end), instead concentrating on getting that hind 
end 'listening' to me with lots of changes of bend, transitions and lateral 
work. It always seems to bring a horse around.  Believe it or not, I learned 
this from a jumping coach I had back when I was doing eventing. He asked us 
to take an almost passive role on their backs, not to feed into the 
resistance, but to try to melt it away with lots of patient, slow work.


Karen
Carson City, NV

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Re: Bitting

[Northhorse]

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In a message dated 10/31/00 8:00:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I think she was referring to the Classical Dresage List not allowing
 off-topic posts, not the Fjord List! Training topics are ALWAYS welcome
 here!  This e-mail communication DOES get confusing, doesn't it? >>

It DOES get confusing!  I thought the response to my original email was about 
me referring another list and implying this list wasn't good enough!!!  
Anyone for a game of telephone with me?Sorry for any confusion that I 
may have started and may be perpetuating now!!!

Pamela

Re: Bitting

[Jean Ernest]

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At 07:08 AM 10/31/2000 EST, you wrote:
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>In a message dated 10/31/00 1:23:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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>I thought the question was about restarting a fjord?  I think topics 
>regarding training are great...even if they are comparing fjords to QH's.  
>We've gone through this topic before with no problems...am I missing 
>something?

Kate, 
I think she was referring to the Classical Dresage List not allowing
off-topic posts, not the Fjord List! Training topics are ALWAYS welcome
here!  This e-mail communication DOES get confusing, doesn't it?

Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, 10 degrees with snow crystals falling


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>Kate in CT
>Owned by Baldur
>Grad B pony clubber from Mystic
>ARIA certified instructor
>Mystic Pony Club egroups moderator
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Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
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Re: Bitting

[Northhorse]

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In a message dated 10/31/00 4:15:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
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<< I thought the question was about restarting a fjord?  I think topics 
 regarding training are great...even if they are comparing fjords to QH's.  >>

It is.  And I know there is a great amount of knowledge on THIS list.  But 
the more information you can get, the better.  And the classical dressage 
training list gives me a lot more information on starting a horse, softly and 
bringing it through its training in a classical way.  It's dedicated to that. 
 The reason why I recommended it was as a supplement to this list.  NOT 
instead of.  In their archives there are multitudes of different answers to 
the question of retraining a horse.  Doesn't matter which breed, or how old, 
the topic is there.  

I'm sorry if it seemed to you that I was disparaging THIS list.  I'm not.  
This is my favorite horse related list.  Just trying to give the lady even 
more options.

Pamela

Re: Bitting

[MyNorseHorse]

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In a message dated 10/31/00 1:23:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> While this list is THE best list for fjord horses, there is a wonderful list 
> dedicated to classical dressage training.  NO off topic posts are allowed, 
> but if you want some darned good advice about starting a horse and starting 
> it right, that's the place to go

I thought the question was about restarting a fjord?  I think topics 
regarding training are great...even if they are comparing fjords to QH's.  
We've gone through this topic before with no problems...am I missing 
something?

Kate in CT
Owned by Baldur
Grad B pony clubber from Mystic
ARIA certified instructor
Mystic Pony Club egroups moderator

Re: National show / Association vs. Registry

[SorgerJ]

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In a message dated 10/31/00 12:40:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
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<< P.S.:  Personally I'd favour Albuquerque - been wanting to go there again 
for a 
 loong time! >>

Eike, anytime you want to come just let me know I live about 20 miles from 
Albuquerque and you are welcome to stay.
Sue Clark-Sorger
Crown oak Fjords
Sandia Park NM

Re: Bitting

[Karen McCarthy]

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Pamela,
I have no bone to pick with classical dressage (but "show" dressage - don't 
get me started!), a slow approach or snaffles in general.I do have a bone to 
pick with the 'big fat' snafflesI once listened to the dressage teachers 
promoting "the thicker the snaffle the better" thinking. Was told a hollow 
mouth ring snaffle was where it was at.( At least that's what they were 
preaching 20 years ago. Of course I didn't have a 1300+ lb. 18hh behemoth of 
a WB to go along w/ the BIG FATTY snaffle either  :~]
Well this is what these horses taught me. My Anglo arab mare, her son a TBx, 
her next son a Trakehner x, and every fjord and outside horse I have tried 
this type of bit with, just want to spit them out. I found the thinner ( 
1/2"), more ergonomic design of the  J.Watt snaffles and their 'cousins', 
Darnall , et. al, to be much more accepted by their mouths. Granted, they 
are thinner and in the wrong hands, as with any bit, would do more harm than 
good, but they are my # 1 snaffle of choice, when I need a snaffle. They do 
have some inlay of copper, which I think would send a USDF ring steward into 
a tizzy, if they still have the single metal rule.( And no, they are not 
like the punitive instruments of torture like a ridiculously thin twisted 
wire I saw in a catalog recently.)
Another thing that we all need to remember is teething - it always happens, 
but not always on "schedule", i.e. late teethers, wolf teeth in mares,etc. 
When this mouth soreness arises, I switch to a bosal, w/ no ill effects.

nite,
Karen in chilly N,NV

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"...If she were my horse, I'd work on ground driving with a big fat 
snaffle."

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