Re: Glub, glub ()
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/5/01 11:03:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dont think so, Mike. In Minnesota we had friends ponds freeze over for 6 months, no heaters, and we skated on them, fish came up hungery and bigger each spring. I think we have a clean case of 2nd degree fishacide..Lisa Oh G_D! Their terror as they banged their fins against the lid of the shoebox, hoping someone would hear them and realize they had been buried alive! If you dig them up now, you'll find their little bones sticking out the ends of the worn-away fins, before they expired in darkness. Merek
Ring around the collars
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01-01-05 11:51:23 EST, you write: Oh yes, since I am new to harnessing, which is better... collar or breast plate? I would think that the collar would make a mess of his mane? My husband has driven ponies before and he wants to use a collar but I want a breastplate. Storm was harness broken a bit by the guy we bought him from, when he was a year old so he does know what a harness is already. Heres my take on collars, vs breast collars. You all know I live to drive. Singles, pairs and tandem, working on a unicorn and 4. We started out with training harness, nylon ( which I would never use again ) and then nice Smuckers. We now also have more Smuckers for the pair, and several Biothane marathon type harness. ( our Camptown marathon harness for 4, made by our Dave McWethy is awsome ! ) My favorite harness , and more importantly my Fjords favorite harness is my collar type. We dont use the large farm type collars, but the buggy style collars, slimmer, and with must lighter haymes. The ability of my horses to pull freely with this type of set up, not the breast collar type is remarkable. The angle of drought is better, and we can work better, quicker and turn better. The pull is off their whole front end, rather than shoving their chest out to pull forward. I cant explane it well, but there you go. It is easier to find pleasure type harness with the breast collars, but if I had to do it over again, everything would have collars. A good collar is expensive and not hard to fit, as some mentioned. Every collar maker will have their own instructions for measuring. Dont go buy something off the rack in inch's, as it will not fit as well as a custom one, and eventually you will go to a better fitting one. As these are slim, buggy type collars, we do not use pads, they are more for farm type hitch's and many times are used to fill in a poorly fitting collar, or worse, used to somehow complete a fram type look forcing you to always hitch with pads. A proper fitting collar does not ride any diff, with pads, and they can cause alot of sweating and bunching. The Recreational Driving List, at E-Groups has a very good group, dedicated to pleasure driving and the comfort of their horses. Check it out and read the archives on angle of draught, and collars.Lisa Pedersen * who paid 90.00 for a new russett collar at Martins auction, and found out it was worth 300.00 without haymes ! YIKES ! PS just reread your post about your Fjord trained at one years to drive. Ugg. Hope you let him grow up a bit, and also know that at one, he was not trained, but just started, and a bit too soon IMHO. Good to let him grow up like you are. Lisa
Re: San Diego Fire.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, we are suppose to be out of fire season this time of the year, but once again mother nature proved us wrong. We just had a horrific fire here in the San Diego area, and although it wasn't directly in our area, it was close enough at 10 miles away as the crowe flies and we were worried about the winds changing directions and coming towards us. But we were lucky this time. Not so for many others and now as they are getting control of the fire, we all take time to analyze what we would do if it should happen to us. Sometimes one doesn't have time to do anything but get in the car and leave. One family had 3 minutes to get out and they had 5 horses. They opted to let the horses out of the corrals rather than burn, and four of the five made it. The fifth one was hit by a car and later died. Another couple opted to ride their horses out and leave the cars behind. A total of 5 horses died in this fire. Several were burned and two of them had gone through a fire wall. It was really sad to see and one of our own vets was working on these animals. I guess it was luck that not more were burned in this rapid fire. The winds were horrific and our horses were all very upset, so I opened their corrals so they could all stand together and it seemed to calm them down a little, as well as give them trees and bushes to stand behind for barricade from the winds. It was just another reminder of how fast disaster can strike, and although we have an evacuation plan, it doesn't always work out when not enough time is given. Just something for all of us to think about, and be greatful for the things we have, for in a matter of seconds and minutes, it can all be gone. Rondi Tyler. Ramona, Ca.
needs charm school
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01-01-05 11:51:23 EST, you write: When there is current in the fence and he wants out, he will corner another horse, cut it out almost like a cutting horse works cows, swing in and vicously kick it right through the fence. This horse has poor social skills and if left to these devices will hurt one of your others some day. Horses can and do break each others legs, or worse, with kick fests, I would not stable him with others, or risk major injury. IMHO. Lisa
Glub, glub ()
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01-01-05 11:51:23 EST, you write: They do need oxygen to live and with only a little bit of water that is frozen over they don't get any. Dont think so, Mike. In Minnesota we had friends ponds freeze over for 6 months, no heaters, and we skated on them, fish came up hungery and bigger each spring. I think we have a clean case of 2nd degree fishacide..Lisa
hobbling
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] mary, please give us the how to of hobbling. denise
Re:halter question - try a bell
This message is from: Michele Bigelow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stovar, my 5 year old Fjord gelding, and Blue a paint gelding, both who were bred and raised as foals by me, are houdinis. Blue would actually step between the electric fence wires and step out of the pasture, much to the chagrin of his pasture mates. We never knew where he'd be when we would get home from work. He was sold to a friend and is baorded at another friends and they always have a new blue story about him unlatching the gates, the stalls.freeing all the horses...and so on. Anyway, Stovar slips out of halters and bridles, almost at will it seems. I use ties with the metal safety snaps to tie him anywhere I go in public. And he is tied short, I don't want him getting any ideas about leverage. I do think I broke his cross tie/halter slipping out problem in the barn. I have attached a small hunters bell (from state line tack) onto his halter, and he keeps himself amused ringing his bell. Maybe you could try this? Michele
Re: almost a sheep ? wreck
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/5/01 11:13:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Point is.FORWARD will get you out of most things. When *^%$ hits the fan, most people grab the reins / lines, pull back and yell WOAH, damnit, WOAH ! A lot like what Dr. Ritter teaches. He says most people are afraid of the energy a horse will give (sometimes guilty here!). And you need to absorb the energy and transform it. Use the energy. A horse that is holding back can pull nasty things on you with the energy held in reserve. A horse that is using the energy is holding nothing back and you can use that energy! I'm not to that point yet, but I'm working on it. Sounds like you had a fun drive! Pamela
Re: Record Book
This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, the PNFPG still has a couple copies of the Libby Show tape available...contact Sarah Nagel in Montana. We are viewing ours right now and enjoying it so much! We were well pleased with the quality and thought it was a job well done. It's nice having the Herald to use as a complimentary guide with it. I did notice that the ordering address for these videos in the Herald has Sarah's previous mailing address for orders. You, or Sarah, might want to post the correct order address again. It was thrilling for us to see our stagecoach in the parade, on the video, and in the arena for the national anthem! Gene's presently working one up for sale right now so be sure and get your order in first! They are totally scale authentic, oak, leather and square nuts on the bolts. Built exceptionally sturdy and ready for hard wear. He says he's never done anything is his whole life that's brought him so much attention. People are just naturally drawn to it; a tremendous conservation piece =)) Did I just slip that in? No, I guess it's not too subtle =)) Best, Ruthie, Bushwhacker Fjords, NW MT http://www.libby.org/~bushnell
Record Book
This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] hello Listthanks Cynthia for the plug of the Record Book..you are absolutely right about this book. It is going to be quite wonderful and will have a huge impact on Fjords in North America. With all the pictures and the all important data it will prove to be an awesome reference and educational publication. Like you said the deadline for the pre-publication incentive of $25 is soon over. SOthose of you who want to save a bit of money should think about ordering your copy from Mike. ASAP. The order form is on the NFHR website. Also, the PNFPG still has a couple copies of the Libby Show tape available...contact Sarah Nagel in Montana. Last but not least...as soon as I get the Record Book to the publisher at the end of this month I will be starting on the organizational stuff regarding the Evaluation preceeding the Libby Show. For those of you in the Pacific Northwest who plan to attend, have a look on the NFHR website for the requirements for registration. The Eval. Handbook is on the site and there are forms which explain the process. All participating animals have to be NFHR registered and meet specific criteria.so go have a look and possibly use the spring/summer to meet the criteria and get animals ready. We will be sending out a preliminary form in (probably) Feb. The Eval will probably be extended to 3 days so as many animals as possible can be evaluated. There is a limit as to how many horses can participate as there is a limit to how many horses the judges can view at any one time.Registration will be on a first come basis. The winter issue of the Herald has info about this Eval, so check it outthere will be a pre-eval clinic for participants in the spring... For those of you interested in all this make sure you find the info that you need to make this a positivie experience for yourself and your animals. It's a glorious sunny winter day and me think to take one of those sleepy Fjords for a sleigh ride now...Happy New Year to all... Ursula Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
almost a sheep ? wreck
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List ! Greetings from no snow So. Utah ! We drove the dream team day before yesterday, for about 3 and 1/2 hours, and had a blast. We hadnt planned on going out that long, but after 2 hours of uneventful miles through the BLM land near us...we ran into a large herd of sheep comming at us down the middle of the road. Well.my mare Juli saw them for MILES before Kaiser did ( dumb gelding ) so we were almost upon them when he picked up his head and saw them. He froze ( very unlike Kaiser ) and was actually trembling ! The sheep were pretty formatable looking, sort of a wave of dirty white monsters, B, Bing as they trotted towards us. They were being herded by 2 Bourder Collies and one kid on an ATV. This gelding has been around and was pony clubbed, taken to camp and jumped over fences, paraded, shown single and pairs now for years.BUT. Maybe it was the cool temps ( 58 ) he was all warmed up, and we were headed home, almost there. Either way, we had to make a quick desision, and Jeff wanted to just go on through them, good training, right ? Something in Kaisers eye told me that for whatever reason it wasnt going to be safe. Barb-wire on either side, and no where to go but through the middle of the herd. Who knows what the sheep would have done with us in the middle of the pack, stampeded ? Never saw a John Wayne movie on stampeding SHEEP, right ? I insisted that we turn away from the now almost upon us sheepand we did, Kaiser who had stood without moving a foot, now threw himself into his harness and made a non-dressage jolt forward, like lets get the heck out of here ! but Juli' remained calm and withen 3-4 steps we had ahold of both of them. They were now BUZZED up to the maxand sort of trotted away, across the sage and away from the evil, noisy monsters. Yeee Haa ! Wheres that dressage judge when you need him ? Collected ? Yep. Forward ? Uh huh. g After a min. or so, we ASKED them to move up to a nice ground covering working trot, and we did, about 5 miles like that, weaving in and out of sage, up and down little hills, making round 3-4 meter circles, ect. FUN ! Great workout too ! Finally THEY asked us to stop, by slowing into a walk, but we made them do ABOUT 2 MORE MILES, at a slow trot nowsort of breezed them out. They were blowing and ready to walk, and very nicely dropped their head and walked home, without jigging, or even wanting to go faster. Point is.FORWARD will get you out of most things. When *^%$ hits the fan, most people grab the reins / lines, pull back and yell WOAH, damnit, WOAH ! I say to go FORWARD, away till control is established, and then go work. ASK for a trot if your horse jiggs his way back to the barn.work at forward doing all kinds of stuff...make them look where they are going, ask for diff. speeds and stop and stand, then move forward again. When your horse is ready to walk nicely, without pulling on you, GO DO ABOUT 2 MORE MILES. You will teach your horse that its MUCH easier to go at the gait YOU chose, rather than pulling, jigging, bolting, spooking his way back home. We had a nice uneventful walk back to their barns, only problem was clipping manes (UG ) on sweaty horses ! ( Jeffs job anyway. ) He got called back to Ca. to fight brushfires, so may ride today with friends. Have a great one guysLisa Pedersen * Cedar City, UT.
Re: Midwest Fjord - annual meeting
This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] The details for the Annual Midwest Fjord Meeting have been ironed out. Dates Feb. 24th 25th Registration forms will be included in the Midwest Fjord Horse Club newsletter due out soon. For those of you not Members of the Midwest Group and would like more information or a registration form please contact me by email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or call (815) 777-6008 at work or at my home evenings (815) 591-3658. Its going to be another good one this year - especially those of you attending an evaluation this year. We are covering it all. Anne Appleby will be speaking and have a demo on the english test. Gayle Ware will be speaking and have a demo on the western test and Rich Hotovy will be speaking and demo on the draft test. Topping it all off will be Dr. Beecher speaking on the nutritional and conditioning needs of the Fjord horse. It all starts Friday Feb 23 in the lobby area of the Longhollow Point Resort - in Galena, IL. This is THE time for chatting and gathering. Every year we all get together and it seems with all the activity we never get a chance to talk to each other- this is the time to relax with your Fjord friends. Saturday Morning at 9:00 Dr. Beecher will speak at the Longhollow Point Resort - cost: $15.00 per family. at noon will be lunch at Longhollow Point - $7.00 per person at 1:00 Gayle and Anne will speak-demo at the Shenandoah Riding center, cost $15.00 per family. From 6:30-8:00 will be dinner at the Longhollow Point Resort - cost $12.00 per person, then following is the annual meeting. Sunday, Feb 25 is totally sponsored by Green Valley Farm - we will have a breakfast-brunch-lunch at the farm, with Rich Hotovy demo and speaking on the draft test - The Longhollow Point Resort, Shenandoah Riding center and Green Valley Farm are all located very near each other. Think about coming to this event - in February and give yourselves some time to get ready for your evaluations this summer. Also - for those of you with spouses who are not into the horses like you are - Galena is a restored General Grant Era town -antique shops and just great shopping and historic things to do and see. There is an actual ski resort near by - ok so its not Aspen - but its white and downhill. There are alot of hotels motels of various price ranges - something for everyone. Let me know if I can help you plan this week end. Its going to be a good one! Pat Holland .
Re: tying
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/5/01 9:51:23 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You take the decision out of their hands by hobbling them - in essence you say to them Mom(or Dad) says you handle this by standing still. It's amazing how quickly they settle down - and often just go to sleep! Mary Nice posts, Mary and Karen. Thanks. I have problems with Riba-Louise because she grabs and pulls everything she can reach. She's like a 2-year-old kid in front of a laden coffee table. This includes untying the rope she is tied with, gloves, brushes, you name it, if it's in her reach she grabs it and pulls it. She also can open gates if they're not horse-proof. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: halter question
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] However I have not bought a 'collar' because I don't want to put a dent in Lilla's pretty stand up mane. So, I'm going to try the portable electric fence. Carol, These portable electric fences - sold for use with a battery operated (usually 6 D Cells or one lantern batter) are great for all sorts of uses! We use them around home to limit where the horses could eat. They work great on the trail - but be sure to train the horse to the 'electric corral' at home! The first time they run into the tape some of them put on quite a show and end up tangled in the tape. Much easier - and less embarrassing - to have this happen at home where you can just 'sort them out', replace the tape and posts, turn the battery back on, and try it again. Ours never 'tested' the fence more than once! Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: halter question
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] i agree karen, i guess i was'nt clear enough. i don't have a problem with pulling out of the halter. yet!!! denise - Original Message - From: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: halter question This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise wrote: ..i have found that a thin rope halter...work best.. I have to disagree Denise. I use both types of halters, and as this is a learned behaivor to slip out of the restraint of a halter,no matter whayt type. It is completely different than pulling back or acting up in hand or tied. I also know that no matter how hard you tie the knot, there is slippage, and inevietable escape. Do a neck strap or bowline knot and you eliminate this problem. We've been dealing with Sven's behaivor for over 12 years now...and that of some of his offspring who seem to have the same pre-occupaton...and I know I am not the only one faced with this problem! nite, Karen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
halter Houdini
This message is from: carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Friends,I have NEVER seen a horse do this trick till I had a Fjord. Lilla our new 6 year old mare came camping with us this summer, well you can't keep HER on a picket line. She was loose more than she was tied, never went anywhere, just stood around looking at the camper waiting for the next handout. She would rub her head on the nearest tree (or what ever she was tied too) and OFF came the halter. When we put stops on the picket line to keep her away form the tree, she just used her leg to rub on and OFF come the halter. I'm looking into buying a portable electric fence! Carol Tacey Rhode Island
halter question
This message is from: carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Friends, I have many camping friends who use the 'dog collar' .. they run the tie rope from the collar through the halter they tie. It works very well. However I have not bought a 'collar' because I don't want to put a dent in Lilla's pretty stand up mane. So, I'm going to try the portable electric fence. Carol Tacey Rhode Island
Re: halter question
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] sandra church [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my Loki [...] is impossible to tie anywhere because he can back out of his halter He undoes quick release knots in seconds One way to avoid having a horse undo a quick release knot while he's standing around bored is to run the end of the rope back through the loop. That way if he pulls on the end - which most Fjords will do just messing around bored - he does't release the knot. Have seen many horses tied to trailers at shows and trail rides with the 'slack' on the leadrope actually 'braided' through several loops to keep the slack from being chewed, stepped on, etc. This makes the knot no longer a 'true' breakaway knot, but I have yet to see a horse in serious trouble either. This is used on TRAINED horses, NOT on horses 'in training'. Of course, lots of these horses were also hobbled, as well as tied, to keep them from digging a hole where they were tied - a real NO-NO in trail camps! These are horses of all different breeds, not just Fjords, BTW. Once we learned how to hobble train a horse, all of our horses were trained to them as yearlings - or even as weanlings. Only takes a couple of training sessions for them to figure out they can't fight the hobbles. It really is quite easy to do, once you learn how to do it - from someone who's good at it, and it doesn't hurt the horse if you do it in a soft roundpen or other training arena. Most youngsters 'give in' without even throwing themselves around. AND it teaches them to look to you - their handler - for the answer to a sticky problem! Then you have a horse that stands nicely for all kinds of things - from bathing and vetting to waiting patiently for the next show class - and NEVER digs a big hole where he is tied! We've found that it also helps youngsters 'handle' a new situation. It keeps them from having to 'decide for themselves' how to react to something near where they are tied. You take the decision out of their hands by hobbling them - in essence you say to them Mom(or Dad) says you handle this by standing still. It's amazing how quickly they settle down - and often just go to sleep! Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
SV: halter question
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sandra, In the old days here in Sweden, halters were seldom used on horses when they were tied up in their stalls, instead a dog-collar was used. It's simply called neckring. There are pictures of them at: http://shop.netrix.se/borjes/ Clic grimmor on the left, then clic halsrem (if that doesn't work, I can e-mail you a pic privatley). These are very good for horses that escape from their collars and comfortable too since a tied-up horse have their head free. The system has been used for many years and I don't think that the accidents have been more common for horses tied up with neckrings than with ordinary halters. Neckrings were often used for the army horses and they are still used for the horses of the Royal stable (but they are soon moving in to box stalls all of them). We had a fjord gelding by the Name of Eke when I worked in the fjord-camp in the 80's. He ALWAYS escaped from his halter and had to be tied up with a neck ring. Worked fine. I don't know if there are any necksrings where you live, but it must be able to have one made. If you want to, I can order one and send it to you. The leather ones are c. $20 + $8 in shipping + packing etc + something for shipping it to you. Nylon are much cheaper, c. $5 (depending on length), but the shipping/packing is the same. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082
