Re:Kinnickinnick lines was Re: how do read a pedigree
This message is from: D T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pamela, Lars does have some of the same attributes. He has only been here for about 6 weeks now. He found out that he could get to the hay in the barn about his 3rd week here. The other horses have been here for months and had yet to figuere this out. :-) Yes, he is very smart. He is also stong willed but is coming to the realization that I am the alpha and nothing is going to change that. He is a love and enjoys being with you. His past owner told me he could never work with Lars around as Lars would carry off the bucket or carry off the hammer etc. You mentioned not being happy with the line breeding or something like that. What are you meaning by that? What makes this line breeding not as satisfactory to you? I am eager to learn so pardon me for asking so many questions. Deb _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Fjords and the Vikings
This message is from: D T [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am most surprised to hear that Fjords are not horses that were used by the Vikings. There are so many sites about Fjords that say they are the horse of the Viking. To me if your ancestor was a viking horse then that doesn't make you a viking but it does make you a descendant from a viking horse. I have heard that for the past so many thousands of years the Fjord has a pure line. Now how can that be if the Fjord came out of breeding and in-breeding to become the Fjord that we know today? No wonder I couldn't find anything on the Fjord as the horse of the viking. Of course I still love Lars just as much but I am dismayed that so many people talk of this but it isn't exactly as it is presented. Deb _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: update - please note
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this the price for both nights or just the price for one night? Also do you have the phone number for this hotel? Linda Syverson Kerr
Re: Fjord saddle
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, just wanted to add something to the fjord saddle discussion. Right after getting Nina in November, we had the saddle fitter out for some of the others at the farm. We have quite the wide variety of sizes, widths, breeding, ages and make every attempt to ensure correct saddle fit for every one of our special mounts. While the fitter was there she checked Nina's fit also. At that time we had the wintek (forward seat) with changeable tree on her using the very widest tree and it still wasn't wide enough to satisfy the fitter. What she told us was it may fit after Nina loses a little weight and since she's such an easy keeper I'm hoping the fact she is working will help to trim her a bit. Right now we use her with a bareback pad so as not to hurt her back. A little scary the day I took her for a trail ride down the BIG hill (we don't call the farm Rolling Hills Ranch for nothing) and she decided to put her head down to eat. Thought I was going to slide right on down her neck, had both feet out in front of me like I was putting on the brakes (yeah big help that was). Didn't come off and laughed all the way home. Nina is what I believe is the draft type fjord. Looking at her papers today her dam is Rinda and her sire is Fair Acres Gunnar - her registered name is Nina III foaled on April 29, 1993, in MN. and bred by the Nelson's in MN. Nina is awesome working with my autistic students, always willing but also patiently waiting for the correct direction from her rider. She tolerates outbursts, bouncing and confused signals with a quiet attitude but at the same time makes them tell her exactly what they want. I really wish we had several more of her or rather of fjords-they are certainly thrifty (a very important item to a nonprofit), have great feet and solid build and a wonderful presence for those fund raising times. Sorry this was long, I'm sure all the old timer fjord lovers have heard this over and over. Robyn in MD STILL T-SHIRT WEATHER
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This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] sorry listers, i don't have karen's email address, so i have to send this note to karen haines.. thank you for the delayed surprise. i just got it today. denise
re: offspring of grabb
This message is from: Michele Bigelow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stovar is a Grabb grandson. He is just the most cuddly lovebug I have ever known! Maybe it is the Solar and sigrid cross? Michele I would be interested to know if anyone on the list has any offspring of Grabb and Gulldua. At one time Mary Ofjord said she had a Grabb Stella mare who was also standoffish not mean but did not like being fussed over. She was the most unfriendly in the herd.
Fjord saddle
This message is from: Anjer Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I too use a Wintec with a wide tree. One of my mares actually doesn't need the wide tree so I change it. That is not as easy as advertised, but can be done. I have the all purpose saddle, not the dressage. I am extremely LAZY about cleaning tack so I think the synthetic is a blessing! Andrea
Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike I think it was about two years ago when I bought Gunnar and talked to Cliff's son who told me his father was in a nursing home. He recalled Gunnar was one of their favorites which may speak against his aloofness today. Altho he is better Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
fjordhorse-digest V2001 #327
fjordhorse-digestSaturday, December 15 2001Volume 2001 : Number 327 In this issue: Subject: RE: Looking for a name Re: Denny Emerson's article Blue Earth show cameras and Fjords how do read a pedigree Re: cameras and Fjords Re: how do read a pedigree Re: cameras and Fjords Email Change Kinnickinnick lines was Re: how do read a pedigree Re: Subject: RE: Looking for a name Re: Pas De Deux tape Re: Denny Emerson's article Re: update - please note Just wondering Saddle Horn Horse rolling Re: Denny Emerson's article Re: Denny Emerson's article Re: Denny Emerson's article See the end of the digest for information on how to retrieve back issues. -- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:13:15 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Subject: RE: Looking for a name This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not on a Mac Keyboard! If you want a real Norse alphabet, you can just install one on your computer off the net. I have american and swedish on mine. Mary Dixon America's hometown-Ann Arbor MI -- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:40:00 -0500 From: Vivian Creigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article This message is from: Vivian Creigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wanda m hill12/12/01 1:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivian, I appreciate your bringing this article to our attention. I wish we could have more discussions on this forum where we educate each other. Thanks Joel, I am still hoping to get more responses. I know this is a group full of opinions. I'd love to hear more of them. Loved Lori's post about rideability. Lori would you qualify for us how you measure this in a breed where so few of our horses actually are pressed to perform at an ever higher level. Is a good score in an evaluation performance test enough, and I realize it takes time to train a horse for these tests. Do you want your horses sire and dam to have a lengthy perfomance record? Or is the stallion more important than the mare in this respect? For Carolyn, Jane and Linda it seems that the most important thing is that the horse be well trained. It was interesting to note that Carolyn passed on a mare that she felt was too forward for her abilities and not obedient to the aids . This is not the first time I have heard this same sentiment expressed by a potential Fjord buyer. Anyone else on the list have similar or opposing thoughts regarding this. Price for Fjords is one of my pet peeves so I will now ascend the soap box: When shopping for an event prospect (usually a TB or TBX) my daughter and I know that we will not be seeing any promising green broke or unbroke horses under $8500. The normal range being $10,000 to $15,000. These horses should be good movers and show some jumping ability, although in an unbroke horse this can only be assesed by free jumping them in an arena which is not always possible. It's always nice if the horse is nice to be around and has some social skills. We are basically buying a horse who has few real using skills yet, but possibly has succesful eventing parents and siblings, is fairly sane and if green broke is at the least excepting of the bit. However if all goes well and Wesley, with professional coaching and lessons*, can ride the horse to some blue ribbons up to a certain level, safely, we know that we can then sell that horse for AT LEAST TWICE what was originally paid. When my phone rings for a Fjord, the person inquiring ususally wants a well trained horse, that rides and drives, safely and has good ground manners. They might not want to show, but they aren't ruling it out and they haven't decided whether or not they'll breed the horse, if it's a mare, but they want one that might be good enough to breed if that is an option they choose to explore down the line. Oh and they want a horse that I can promise will never buck, rear or run. PHEW! That's certainly a lot more than we expect in a green event prospect. BUT, when I inquire what the caller is expecting to spend it is always well below what I would consider a fair price for a Fjord that fulfills their criteria. How do those of you on the list feel about this issue? Do you feel that I am out of line comparing Fjords to TB event horses? If so, why? I'd love to see more responses to Denny's article and have others on the list raise some questions of their own. Vivian C. *It might interest some of you to know that Wesley's event coach still takes lessons even though she is an accomplished rider/teacher/trainer and that in eventing and dressage it is fairly normal for upper level riders to continue taking lessons. I realize some of you know this already just thought I'd toss it out there for those of you who didn't. -- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:01:52 -0800 (PST) From: Cynthia
Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karen if I try to hug or scratch Gunnar he moves away unless he is eating. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:36 PM 12/14/2001 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivian I would be interested to know if anyone on the list has any offspring of Grabb and Gulldua. At one time Mary Ofjord said she had a Grabb Stella mare who was also standoffish not mean but did not like being fussed over. She was the most unfriendly in the herd. Not sure if they are on the list or not but here is a link to the 3 offspring of Gulldua that are in the NFHR database. One of them is Gunnar of course: http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ponyweb.cgi?searchParentID=2754 I do not know where the stallion Uredd is these days or if he is even alive. I do know that he is not owned by Cliff Baltzley though. Does anyone know if Cliff Baltzley is still alive? I haven't heard anything about him for quite a few years now. The last I heard was that he was in a nursing home but I am not sure how true that was either. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Walters Gayle said: Vivian I would be interested to know if anyone on the list has any offspring of Grabb and Gulldua. At one time Mary Ofjord said she had a Grabb Stella mare who was also standoffish not mean but did not like being fussed over. Jean: I have a Grabb grandson, and I wrote recently that he was aloof. Hmmm, anecdotal or a trait of this bloodline? I have never known how much of his standoffish behavior is from abuse before I got him and also spoiling at one of his previous places. He has been moved around a lot. I bought my fellow at auction on his 4th birthday. I figure I'm at least his fourth owner in his four years. I don't know how he's been handled in his lifetime, abuse or otherwise, but maybe he went from owner to owner because he is aloof, rather than aloof because he's moved from owner to owner. Interesting any way you look at it. Thanks for the insights! Cheers! Karen, near Denver PS - I expect he'll be permanent here. He's slowly warming up, and now will stand for cuddles, although he doesn't need them, but seems to know that I do. :^) _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
