T-shirt order
This message is from: Lisa Schieler [EMAIL PROTECTED] I ordered an x-large t-shirt back in August and I have not received it. Have they been sent out?
Questions...
This message is from: Stephanie Smedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings all. The inspections on the house went well. It looks like we'll be ready to add a pair of fjords to our family in spring or summer. What I want to do now is get a rapport going with a breeder or someone who can help me find our new family members to be. We are moving to the Medford, OR area. Is there a good breeder in the area? Or is there someone we should steer clear of? It's been a long time since I've been around horses (10+ years)so I'd like someone who will be understanding on that front. Is it true that fjords can carry a rider that is a third of their weight? (As opposed to a regular horse that should only carry one fifth) Both my spouse and I are on the heavy side, (but not 1/3 the weight of a fjord) and want horses that we feel we aren't physically burdening. Thanks for any input whatsoever. Stephanie _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf
Bill Coli Comments
This message is from: Ursula Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear list from Brian Jensen; Bill, you do not need a flame suit from me I agree with your articulate and thoughtful comments on this subject! Every process in life has an upside and a consequence. Being middle-aged I can speak to this with a little measure of experience from my life!!! I invite Digest readers to re-read Bills article on this subject. It is a very touchy one in N.A. where folks will have a hard time speaking to other frames of reference to how to handle Fjords when their lives are finishing. I always believed that every Reg Fjord in N.A. could have a good home. That being said ,situation and circumstance does become a determinate factor for what happens in our lives with our Fjords. In the New Year events may happen where real humans will loose their lives. Where is the congruency in all of this? That being said Ursula and I wish you all a very Merry Christmas and the best in 2003.---Brian Jensen Ursula Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
new lister in Southeast Idaho?
This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been gone and my e-mail filled up and bounced back messages. As I was cleaning things up I noticed a comment from a returning lister with a fjord in Southeast Idaho? Or did I misread before I hit delete?. If there are any other fjord owners on the list in this part of the state I would love to know. I am involved with an informal group of people who like to drive, ride and have events and training clinics you might be interested in. It is not a fjord group , nor is it formal at all and includes everyone from vets to engineers - college professors and archeologists-- but they are all friendly toward fjords - Jillian ( my fjord) has made quite an impression -they call her the humvee ( respectfully of course) I have a small farm about 30 miles south of Pocatello outside of McCammon but keep my Fjord for the winter at the Rock-n-horse arena ( you can see it and Jillian from the flying Y junction between I-86 and I-15) in Pocatello - close to work. So if I didn't misread-or there are any other lurkers in the area contact me if you want to be notified when we do fun things. Kathy Outside McCammon, Idaho ( where we finally just got about 6 inches of much wanted snow-we need 6 feet more)
Re: Rescue Horses
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have for sometime set aside a large amount of money to take care of my huge Charley (Trakehner). A near by family will take him and my Fjord Gunnar. They have a fjord. I have my Holsteiner mare for sale now, not an easy thing to do but she is twelve and moving out of the good sale range. I am 77 so these are necessary plans.Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Rescue Horses
This message is from: Warren Stockwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] My horses are actually in my will to folks who will take them and the kids that go with them. Their is also a stipulation that if for any reason they can't be kept that the horses ( not the Kids) get donated to a 4-h or pony club or even a disabled riding association. Lucky for me and my kids I have many folks that are willing to care for my charges, fellow critter people. Roberta - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Rescue Horses This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is something that concerns me. I'm young and healthy, but one never knows... How do you go about naming who should inherit your equines? Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area,
Re: Rescue Horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Lois, I also know of estate sales in the past where the horse owner died or became incapacitated and the people in charge with no interest in horses simply Yes, this is definitely another reason, and also stolen horses. Another possibility is no matter how hard we breeders try to place our horses in safe homes, we cannot control what the buyer may do from week to the next. I have heard stories of people purchasing a horse, being happy as could be, then having a bad experience and off that horse goes to auction the next day or week, often without contacting the sellers, or if they do contact the sellers, maybe the sellers cannot immediately purchase the horse back. So, this is another reason we wish to contact the last owners AND the breeders first before putting the Fjords up for adoption, that is if we can find out who the breeders are through testing. I know if one of our Fjords ever ended up in such a place, we would be so grateful to anyone who would contact us about the Fjord. I am not aware of too many breeders who would not want to be contacted! Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
re sensitive issue
This message is from: Peter Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beautiful pictures, a merry Christmas to the rescuers, the youngsters and all. Lucky they saw Christmas at all. For what it's worth re sensitive issue. We may have to advertise and blackball a breeder because he/she is selling and/or breeding for slaughter. Sensitive, heck ya. Obviously we want to be discreet initially and try to council and advise privately. But if necessary then after trying, lets shout if from a mountain top and try to make the breeder taboo. Hopefully it'll never come to this and it is just a mix up of some sort. I'd want to know if my name appeared in any trail of papers for a slaughterhouse animal, even if three places back. At least then I could help tell the story and fill in some pieces. I used to think I could justify selling an old old infirmed animal to slaughterhouse if it ever came to that but not anymore...that avenue closed to me now. A personal choice though, I respect someone's decision to do otherwise in that situation. For youngsters like that though ... shame and double shame. W Peter Randall Randall Farms [demime 0.99c.8 removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of W. Peter Randall PM CHRP.vcf]
Re: New member...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/2002 10:01:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I am saddened to think of all the other lives that were lost. Hello, All of us are saddened. I wish we could save them all. However, we can only do our small part...and if more people did the same, just think how much better things could be! Education is a must, I am finding out most Americans do not know horses from our auctions even end up in Canada at slaughter facilities! Lynda
Re: Looking for recipe for homemade horse treats
This message is from: Reena G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.com/~destinyfarm/treats.htm This site has quite a few..maybe one of them will be what you are looking for? I just typed in the Google search engine horse treats Reena - Original Message - From: Bossmare To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: Looking for recipe for homemade horse treats This message is from: Bossmare [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're expecting holiday visitors (grandkids of neighbors whose highlight of their visit is to visit our Fjords) and I thought it would be fun to bake up some cookies for the kids to take out of a holiday cookie tin and give to the mares. I know in the past I've seen recipes for such things. I have Irish oatmeal, apples, carrots, molasses, flaxseed meal, cocosoya oil. I do not have any sweetfeed which was the base of one recipe I saw. So if anyone out there has a healthful, low-calorie (ho, ho, ho) treat recipe I'd appreciate finding out about it. I think I'd prefer a crisp or hard product to a soft one. Any suggestions? Lois Berenyi
New Member to Fjord List
This message is from: Linda Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, You asked where I live in WI Carol. I live in Green Bay. Where are you? If you want to chat more you can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Linda
Looking for recipe for homemade horse treats
This message is from: Bossmare [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're expecting holiday visitors (grandkids of neighbors whose highlight of their visit is to visit our Fjords) and I thought it would be fun to bake up some cookies for the kids to take out of a holiday cookie tin and give to the mares. I know in the past I've seen recipes for such things. I have Irish oatmeal, apples, carrots, molasses, flaxseed meal, cocosoya oil. I do not have any sweetfeed which was the base of one recipe I saw. So if anyone out there has a healthful, low-calorie (ho, ho, ho) treat recipe I'd appreciate finding out about it. I think I'd prefer a crisp or hard product to a soft one. Any suggestions? Lois Berenyi
pets
This message is from: griet vandenbroucke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Listers First of all a merry christmas and a Fjordy new year to all of you. Glad to see that those young Fjords have a better future now thanks to the help of all who have done something for them. I know Steve asked to close the discussion about the slaughter of animals but I just want to ad a short notice to it. (sorry Steve) Here in Belgium a lot of people love to eat Horse meat, and I know in Amerika and in Canada you do not have that habit. Me neither i do not want to eat it because I love horses too much for that.A few months ago I had to say goodbey to one of our Fjords, she had reuma and suffered a lot. We tried to help her with medicins buth at our point of vieuw it did not get better at all, and we decided that she suffered enough. Due to all the regulations and laws the best (and for me the most reasonable) solution was to sel her. At that time we had to choose between two bad things but one thing was sure I was not able to let her live because of her pain. So am I a bad person because i did not let the vet come to do it?? For me it would be much harder to see her falling. The man who came to pick her up was very nice to her and i'm sure everything went well ( in case a dead can go well). I do believe I did the best thing and I was a little bit offended by some remarks of you, but i can understand the opinions. Somethimes in live you have to choose between two very bad things but you can not do anything else then choose one. Fjordy greetings from warm Belgium (12°C today, were's winter?°
Re: Rescuing Fjord crosses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/23/2002 8:08:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the reality is, these horses are not Fjords unless they are pure bred, and I am not convinced that it's a good thing to pursue rescuing any and all horses that turn up at slaughterhouses because they look like Fjords. I THINK I may understand what you are saying and agree to a certain extent, but... a life of a horse is a life of a horse. People here have chosen the Fjord breed. Others choose there own breed, as it is in dogs it is in horses. I have worked and still do, to some extent, in Rottweiler rescue, we do save mixes, is that bad? They are living creatures and shouldn't be shunned or condemned to death just because they are not pure breeds. I do understand the concern of having more mixes due to mixes being rescued and potentially bred, but I must say, that is something anyone can do without even rescueing a mixed breed fjord. Is it less worth the effort because it is mixed? This is the EXACT same attitude that I spoke of in the survery. Mixed breeds are looked down on because they are not pure, they are of less value. I find it sad that this sort of thinking is still around. A life is a life, we don't have control over everything. Even Fjord breeders with inferior, purebred Fjords will breed their animals what's to be done about that? Would something like this happen in Norway, Holland or Germany? I think not I can't speak for Norway or the Netherlands, but they do in Germany, we do have people who go to slaughter auctions and rescue horses of all types of breeds, mixed or not mixed. Been there myself and done so myself. Dagmar A HREF=http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/happytogetfit/remembering.html?mtbrand=AOL _USRemembering /AYBärY'4.21.91-12.18.02 '
Re: Rescue Horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/23/02 9:55:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also know of estate sales in the past where the horse owner died or became incapacitated and the people in charge with no interest in horses simply wanted to get rid of them as fast as possible. This is something that concerns me. I'm young and healthy, but one never knows... How do you go about naming who should inherit your equines? Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our /AA HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Fjords/A A HREF=http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html;Fjordings West/A / )__~ /L /L
Re: Rescue Horses
This message is from: Bossmare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Lynda Great work done by you and others to rescue these Fjords. I've been following the story, like others, with a big lump in my throat. In reference to why or how it could come to be that treasured pets (if that) could wind up in very unfortunate circumstances I think I may have an answer. I used to work at a small animal vet clinic. We had one client for many years, a rather raggedy old lady with an equally raggedy old pekingese. This dog was the light of her life and reason to keep living. To the best of her skimpy means she did the best she could by this dog and we saw her often. One day we got a call to set up an appointment for euthanasia. We had owner's name and dog's name so we thought perhaps the dog had suddenly become ill (it was elderly but healthy). When the time came it was not the raggedy old lady who came in but, straight out of Dickens, a very tailored man in business attire holding the dog with great distaste. It seemed his aunt had to be hospitalized and he took the opportunity to try to get rid of the dog. He complained that her home was dirty, he suspected fleas and he considered the dog a health hazard. We would not go along with his request and boarded the dog until the old lady went home. I cannot imagine what it would have done to her to go home and find her dog had been killed by her nephew. I also know of estate sales in the past where the horse owner died or became incapacitated and the people in charge with no interest in horses simply wanted to get rid of them as fast as possible. I agree with you that as a concientious animal owner I would donate my animals for therapy, pony club, 4-H, whatever it takes rather than wonder what would become of them if I could not sell them. I would not be surprised to hear that if the source of these young Fjords is found that there is not a tragic tale of some sort, including theft, that is the reason for their travail. Lois Berenyi - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:22 AM Subject: Re: Rescue Horses This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, The reasons why these Fjords ended up in such a sad situation may not be suitable information for public consumption. Things happen...things beyond a person s control. I'm sure, in tracing these Fjords, no one would like to see Yes, I have thought of this...almost the entire last week, actually, and no matter what I can think of, I cannot think of one good excuse why Fjords would be sold at an auction, especially a lower end auction, unless stolen. This is a personal opinion, of course, but I can tell you that if we here at Bailey's had some sort of thing happen to cause us to force the sale of our Fjords, we would place them in good homes before EVER sending one of our Fjords or non-Fjords to an auction. It is our responsibility as horse owners and breeders to know to the best of our ability what homes our animals go to. An auction, high end or low end, does not allow anyone the opportunity to do this. Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Message Reply Netiquette
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess it's again time to grumble at you folks about replying to messages. When you use the reply button on your E-mail program, usually the entire message to which you are replying is copied into your message, then the cursor is positioned so you can write your reply above or below the quoted original message. That is not the end of your responsibility when communicating on an E-mail list such as the FjordHorse List. You need to use the block delete features of your E-mail client and/or operating system to limit the size of the quoted message to only a sentence or two which establish the context for your reply. Recently, far too many folks are getting lazy and leaving the entire message quotation in their reply. This is a waste of bandwidth, everyone here has already read the original message, so one or two sentences should be enough to get the sense of what your reply refers to. I see too many messages here that have one sentence of reply and twenty lines of quoted original message. Please, in the future use the rule of thumb that the quoted message should be no longer than your reply. If your reply is just a word or thanks or congratulations, perhaps it would be better handled in a private E-mail. Thank you all for your cooperation in remedying this problem. And on a separate note, let me wish a Happy Holiday Season to all! -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List
Re: Rescuing Fjord crosses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Bill, BUT.I guess I just can't get over a concern about whether it is to the benefit of the Fjordhorse breed in North America that potentially a large number of horses with unknown and or questionable parentage (particularly if crosses) would now be on farms, and would potentially be bred. I can certainly understand, but believe we have worked out an appropriate plan for these crosses. Each adoptive home will be carefully screened and in the Fjord addendum to the adoption agreement, the adopter will agree to not breed said animal. If adopter does bred said animal, adopter will immediately forfeit ownership of said animal and the UEF will immediately confiscate said animal. Also, if we bring in the crosses, through DNA typing, we might be able to get a more accurate feel for who is doing this and through public and breeder pressure, might have a better control on this being done in the future. This is OUR breed, afterall, and we not only have the ability to attempt to stop this, but it is also our responsibility, in my opinion, to try to the best of our ability. Another thing, do not assume these crosses all come from PMU farms. I believe we will find out that all do not. Yes, I know they could not be registered, but there are lots of folks who would be thrilled to have a Fjord, even if it was 50/50. I'm also sure that these animals could be perfectly fine, useful mounts. That is precisely the reason why many folks would just as soon buy this kind of Fjord since they would be very inexpensive compared to a pure bred, registered animal (recognize that for many, pure bred and registered just means higher priced). The operative word here is buy...and the UEF is not going to sell any animal. They will be adopted out to approved homes and frankly, the adoption prices will not be as inexpensive as you might think. This is a costly project, we are paying for these animals by the pound, plus all of the additional costs will push the adoption fees higher. So, even if someone was looking for a more inexpensive Fjord, they still have to apply and PASS our adoption process. But the reality is, these horses are not Fjords unless they are pure bred, and I am not convinced that it's a good thing to pursue rescuing any and all horses that turn up at slaughterhouses because they Well, when Fjords arrive at the slaughter facility and I am either being called or am requesting such information, these men do not have time to decipher if these are crosses or not. They see a Fjord and that is that. They are not going to take the time to listen to me describe a cross versus a purebred, they do not have the time and are not inclined to take the time. I have literally seconds to say yes or no. I have no intentions of saying no, and will do everything in my power to say yes. I believe this actually will help us as breeders and owners to begin to eliminate crossbreeding, #1, and #2, I firmly believe that we as breeders and owners are responsible for the outcome of our breed, crossed or not. There are going to be many people who will not support this project, either they do not wish to see crosses brought in, or they do not care if Fjords end up at slaughter-purebred or not-, or whatever other reason there could possibly be. This is an individual choice to be involved or not. There is no reason for flaming either side for our choices. Do rest assured that the UEF fully intends to cooperate with the NFHR to instill the strictest policies regarding these rescued Fjords, purebred or not. Also rest assured this crossbreeding will be investigated and through the technology of both microchipping and DNA typing, we might actually get a better handle on what is going on with our breed of choice versus ignoring the problem. Thanks, Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re[2]: missing digests
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean-- Sunday, December 22, 2002, 2:51:26 PM, you wrote: I don't think this has anything to do with the missing digests others complain about, but I have not gottenANY individual posts today, nor ANY email at all except the test on I just did to myself. Your messages I AM getting returned. It appears that mosquitonet.com dropped out of the last DNS propagation that mystery.com got. Therefore he doesn't think your ISP exists. Hopefully, the next propagation (they happen every 24 hours) will correct the situation. -- Steve McIlree -- Las Cruces, NM/Omaha, NE, USA The hooves of the horses!--Oh! bewitching and sweet; Is the music earth steals from the iron-shod feet. -- Will H Ogilvie
Re: Amish and the Fjords
This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's funny that someone would consider a Fjord flashy -- especially compared to those Haflingers with the snappy knee action and all that white mane and tail flying about! LOL Karen http://www.aussiecarriages.freeservers.com . I talked to an Amish man in Wisconsin who believed that Fjords appeared to be nice using horses, but were probably much too flashy looking to be used by a good Amish family.
Re: Pets and Vets chat
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Fred, How did you evaluate the plug-in for safety. I always reject them. Nobody has shown up tonight. Many of you might be afraid of granting permission, and installing the plug in. It IS SAFE to do so. Gail Russell Forestville CA
Haflinger Welsh vs Fjord
This message is from: Lori Lemley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haflinger seems to suit them for the work/pony stuff.just hope there won't be any future competition between that breed and the Fjord! Gretchen Karlson For what it's worth, I held my own Haflinger/Fjord/Welsh Cross competition and spent years researching and trying to decide. Bottom line: the Fjord won because it seemed Fjord breeders, large and small, consistently put equal emphasis on temperment and looks. There were so many Haflinger and Welsh breeders putting huge emphasis on flash/action/color/athleticism - things I didn't find so important in a family horse - with nothing said about the temperment. The others were often less expensive, but the Fjord ultimately won. And I know one other person who had the precisely the same experience. So there is and will be competition, from Halfingers and others, but as long as we continue to support such a fabulous registry and conscientious breeding, the Fjord will be just fine. Y'all give yourselves a pat on the back. Lori
Re: Rescue Horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/02 9:05:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reasons why these Fjords ended up in such a sad situation may not be suitable information for public consumption. Things happen...things beyond a person s control. This is a possibility, however, more likely that they came from a PMU farm? Their young age and the fact that one is a cross leads me to believe this. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our /AA HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Fjords/A A HREF=http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html;Fjordings West/A / )__~ /L /L
Re: Pets and Vets chat
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, Thank you s much for writing this e-mail. With the upgraded version i do have a few kinks to work out but I greatly appreciate your e-mail . I apologize that i didn't think to write this myself to let folks know everything is safe and clean :) Many thanks again and have a wonderful holiday Lisa Pets and Vets In a message dated 12/22/02 9:28:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Frederick J. Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] FYI the new page on PetsAndVets chat asks your permission to download and install a plug in by Akiva. I am on the Fjord chat page right now. I checked out the plug-in for safety. It is OK to grant permission (safety wise) to download and install...so as to use the new chat page. Nobody has shown up tonight. Many of you might be afraid of granting permission, and installing the plug in. It IS SAFE to do so. See you on the Fjord Chat. Go to http://chat.petsandvet.com log in as usual and it will re-direct you to the new page: http://chat.ccwerks.net/PetsandVets/site.asp . Thought you folks might want to know. Fred
Re: Winter blankets/sheets
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try tucking a layer of hay on his back, underneath the cooler. It helps the moisture wick off. Of course you have to deal with how insulted they become because hay is being used that way!!! Carol === And I can envision said hay-tick being mobbed by a gang of voracious Fjords, wresting it from the snug victim's back (struggling, ripping, towing, stripping) to relieve the poor boy of his edible mantle. (hee hee hee) Not for Fjord communes! Ruthie, nw mt
Re: AOL
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/23/2002 6:57:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That said, I do notice that just about everyone who has a gripe about missing messages/digests seems to be on AOL. Does that tell you anything? BTW, my own E-mail is relayed through TWO ISPs and I very seldom lose anything. I've never missed a digest. I'm on AOL. But I'm on 8.0, and I don't have any filters set up. It could be one of AOL's strange tactic to encourage people to upgrade. I seem to remember loosing the message boards when 6.0 had been out for a while and I hadn't upgraded, and I got them back when I did upgrade. I run 8.0 as well and do miss individual posts. I have no filters set up for this account at all. I am setting up with my local server, I am on BYOA. I may even try the digest form for this email and see if I still miss posts. Dagmar A HREF=http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/happytogetfit/remembering.html?mtbrand=AOL _USRemembering /AYBärY'4.21.91-12.18.02 '
Rescuing Fjord crosses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am sure that I will need my flame-proof suit after this, but something has been on my mind for a while now. First of all, I have been impressed with the incredible efforts several folks have made to rescue Fjords or Fjord crosses from the slaughterhouse. I am also not in support of PMU farms, and the description of how animals are slaughtered gives me no pleasure, and a lot of disgust. I am not judging what was done to rescue the horses that have been written up here, and would never tell someone who was so driven by concerns for horses that they should not make every effort they feel is appropriate to save animals that come to their attention. BUT.I guess I just can't get over a concern about whether it is to the benefit of the Fjordhorse breed in North America that potentially a large number of horses with unknown and or questionable parentage (particularly if crosses) would now be on farms, and would potentially be bred. Yes, I know they could not be registered, but there are lots of folks who would be thrilled to have a Fjord, even if it was 50/50. I'm also sure that these animals could be perfectly fine, useful mounts. That is precisely the reason why many folks would just as soon buy this kind of Fjord since they would be very inexpensive compared to a pure bred, registered animal (recognize that for many, pure bred and registered just means higher priced). But the reality is, these horses are not Fjords unless they are pure bred, and I am not convinced that it's a good thing to pursue rescuing any and all horses that turn up at slaughterhouses because they look like Fjords. Would something like this happen in Norway, Holland or Germany? I think not OK, I'm ready for the flame. Bill Coli
Re: Winter blankets/sheets
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/23/2002 9:24:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Keeps them warmer while they're drying off, but lets the sweat evaporate out into the air. Hope this helps you some. Try tucking a layer of hay on his back, underneath the cooler. It helps the moisture wick off. Of course you have to deal with how insulted they become because hay is being used that way!!! Carol, and Duster (who's at the trainers) in very cold and windy Michigan
AOL
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/2002 9:58:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That said, I do notice that just about everyone who has a gripe about missing messages/digests seems to be on AOL. Does that tell you anything? BTW, my own E-mail is relayed through TWO ISPs and I very seldom lose anything. I've never missed a digest. I'm on AOL. But I'm on 8.0, and I don't have any filters set up. It could be one of AOL's strange tactic to encourage people to upgrade. I seem to remember loosing the message boards when 6.0 had been out for a while and I hadn't upgraded, and I got them back when I did upgrade. Shawna
Re: Winter blankets/sheets
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/2002 4:19:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What sheets/blankets do you folks recommend for wicking water in the winter? I've had the same problem as you, as I don't give up riding for winter, but won't clip them and blanket them, as they may need the protection. I do need to clip a little path for the girth, so I don't pull hairs. And may clip a little bit on the neck, so they dry better, but are still protected from the elements. I tried using one of those wool coolers that comes up onto their ears, but they're built for thoroughbreds, and come almost down to the fjords fetlocks! Juniper looks peculiar in that and has frightened a previously unflappable therapy horse wearing that! Didn't work. So I went through State Line and bought an Irish cooler. It works VERY well. It's off-white, and is rather a mesh material. Keeps them warmer while they're drying off, but lets the sweat evaporate out into the air. Hope this helps you some. Pamela A HREF=http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html;Northern Holiday Horses/A
Re: Rescued Fjord Pictures
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/2002 8:54:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The pictures are finally here! These three are so adorable, hard to understand who on earth could have let them get to such a place, but they are safe now! With some good food, love, and handling, these three will be wonderful companions for someone. They are beautiful and so very sweet looking. They also look so trusting. I can't imagine what they would have gone through without your intervention. And the help of the man at the slaughterhouse who pulled them off the trailer for you. And the other wonderful people who had a hand in this, especially with donating funds to help. I'm happy this morning. :) Pamela A HREF=http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html;Northern Holiday Horses/A
winter blankets
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/02 6:44:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What sheets/blankets do you folks recommend for wicking water in the winter? Taffy Mercer Hi Taffy, The best blankets for that are the ones that have nylon on the inside, a holofill type middle, and nylon on the outside. When purchasing, note the denier of the outside nylon. The higher the denier, the tougher it is and will be less likely to tear. Leg straps are a must. There are a number of different brand names and they come in light, medium, and heavy thicknesses, depending on how cold it gets in your area. We usually get the light or medium thickness since it isn't very cold here and we mainly just want to prevent the horses from getting a chill when their hair is wet. These types of blankets do a great job of 'wicking' and the hair shedding doesn't stick to the inside as it does with ones that have fleece or flannel type layers next to the horse. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
rescued fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great pictures! I love the one of the three of them, in a row, eating. :) Linda in MN
Viking Heritage magazine and Fjords
This message is from: DT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone get this magazine. If so have they had any articles about the Fjord. Deb
Re: Rescued Fjord Pictures
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/22/2002 9:13:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/page5.html Oh my, how beautiful they are.. so sad to think that ANYONE would let them go, so HAPPY that they are safe now. Wish I could take one! Dagmar A HREF=http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/happytogetfit/remembering.html?mtbrand=AOL _USRemembering /AYBärY'4.21.91-12.18.02 '
Re: Rescue Horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I understand that the answer could be a sensitive matter but I sure would like to know how they ended up there... they look so darling in the photos! I've been on the edge of my seat watching this story unfold - kudos to all involved! It is our responsibility as horse owners and breeders to know to the best of our ability what homes our animals go to. An auction, high end or low end, I should have clarified my last statement, for we as horse owners and breeders cannot always control what the buyers do with a horse. Most of the Fjord breeders I know do their best to keep tabs on the horses they sell, but there will be times that they either will not know or are not told the animal they sold in good faith HAS gone to an auction. THIS is why the UEF has decided to not only attempt to work within the guidelines of the NFHR in regard to registration and crossbreds, but this also will allow us to contact the last owner and breeder if we can discover who they are through scanning microchips or DNA testing. This preliminary work is not intended to be a public event for I have not a doubt most breeders WOULD want to know if one of their Fjords ended up at a slaughter facility. However, if we end up discovering months down the road that certain breeders DO sell to low end auctions, or for meatwell, we will have to cross that hurdle if and when it gets here. I find this hard to believe, but then, I also found it hard to believe a Fjord could end up in such a place. Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: Rescue Horses
This message is from: Monica Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lynda Welch said: I cannot think of one good excuse why Fjords would be sold at an auction, especially a lower end auction, unless stolen. I understand that the answer could be a sensitive matter but I sure would like to know how they ended up there... they look so darling in the photos! I've been on the edge of my seat watching this story unfold - kudos to all involved! It is our responsibility as horse owners and breeders to know to the best of our ability what homes our animals go to. An auction, high end or low end, does not allow anyone the opportunity to do this. Hear, hear! Monica in Nelson, BC
