Re: Lack of Large Animal Vets??

[Marsha Jo Hannah]

This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Are any of you experiencing a problem in your areas with a lack of Large 
> Animal Veterinarians? [...]
> But my vet who retired said that the problem is that of the graduating 
> classes, there are about 80% women, and they do not want to go into large 
> animal 
> veterinary practices.They mostly do small animal practices.
>
> Rondi Tyler.
> Pinon Hills, Calif.

When we lived in the San Francisco Bay Area, there was a problem
developing with equine vets.  The established practices were fine,
except when they tried to hire in new "associates" (vets just out of
school).  The young vets would come in, work for a year or two, then
move on.  The problem was that they came out of vet school with very
large debt loads, and the cost of living in the SF Bay Area was very
high.  Their entry-level salaries just didn't let them make ends meet,
and the cost of setting up a new practice was prohibitive, so they
would pack up and go somewhere cheaper.  However, many of those young
horse vets were women, so I'm not sure that I believe that they "all"
want to do small animal practices.

OTOH, the travelling equine vet that I used for years did eventually
buy a small animal clinic.  She stayed in the office doing small
animals (except for a few long-time clients' horses), and sent her
associates out to do the "ranch calls".  She said that, as she got
older, being knocked around by an unhappy horse, or doing a midnight
foaling or colic, had lost its charm

Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   anything that can go wrong, will!
15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon

Re: shedding

[Jean Ernest]

This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

You blanket at +20?!!  WHY?  Don't they get too hot? I never blanket my
fjords, even at -50F.  It would be counter productive. It would flatten
their fluffy coats and REDUCE the insulation. Of course they are not
clipped and have heavy coats, suitable for those temps.  AND I don't stall
them in a barn, either, they have a run-in and are free to come and go and
run around and get exercise. My four are all together and do stand together
when they are not moving around or playing.

The only time I could see it might be necessary to blanket is when it is
rainging a cold rain, then a rain sheet, maybe.

My Fjords were happy dozing in the sun today..It warmed up to -10F!

They tell us to "plug in" our cars when it gets down to +20 or below, though.

Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear sky and wonderful Auroras tonight!

>
>My fjord mare is shedding, started a few days ago, and I blanket her when its
>20degrees and below, unless the wind is blowing and theres a wind chill.
Any
>warmer than that and she starts rubbing, letting me know to get if off.  

Re: bloodlines and photographies

[Ed Sullivan]

This message is from: "Ed Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Myriam and Audrey,

I found all but three of the horses you are looking for in a book by Mr. Bob
van Bon, the Chief Inspector of the Dutch Studbook.  The title of the book is
Van Vestlandhest tot Fjordenpaard, and I believe it can be ordered through the
Dutch Studbook's website.

As for translation, there's a wonderful horsemen's language dictionary out
there, does anyone have a source for it?  We got ours through Equestrian's
Edge book club, but when I went to reorder it, they no longer had the title.
Alas, Norwegian was not one of the languages offered.  German, French,
English, and Spanish, I think.

Bonne chance!

Ann in Connecticut USA

- Original Message -
From: Myriam/Ptite_marmotte
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:47 AM
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: bloodlines and photographies

This message is from: Myriam/Ptite_marmotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi,
We are two frenchs owners of norwegian fjord horses
and we do research about their origins and bloodlines
of the modern ford horse, a subject whcich is a
passion for us.

Re: Lack of Large Animal Vets??

[SSlotness]

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Here in Northern Minnesota (Duluth area) we have about three large animal  
vets. They are all women. Actually, the vet that gave up doing large animals is 
 
a man.
 
I think Mary and Philis in Grand Marais would say they need a large  animal 
vet.
 
Suzan in Duluth (vey cold yesterday -28ºF, +20ºF today, feeling  balmy)
 
The world is  so empty if one thinks only of mountains, rivers and cities; 
but to know someone  here and there who thinks and feels with us, and though 
distant, is close to us  in spirit --- this makes the earth for us an inhabited 
garden.
— Johann von  Goethe

shedding

[Debby Stai]

This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My fjord mare is shedding, started a few days ago, and I blanket her when its
20degrees and below, unless the wind is blowing and theres a wind chill.   Any
warmer than that and she starts rubbing, letting me know to get if off.  The
gelding is clipped as he's ridden, and he'd gotten a coat long before he
needed it.  I suspect its because he spent last winter further north and
assumed he needed a heavier coat.  His was SO thick.
I do think its the days getting longer.  Noticed yesterday it was light until
5:30pm, a month ago I'm sure it was dark by 5pm.  And its light earlier in the
morning too.  Very exciting!!
Debby

Myriam photo

[Tamara Rousso]

This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Myriam - I very much enjoyed seeing the photo of you and your horse 
in the snow.  So beautiful!  I couldn't see the video as I have a Mac 
and it doesn't have the right software to download videos.  Thank you 
for sharing.


Tamara
owned by Harrison Fjord who continues to shed at an amazing rate.
Fallbrook  CA

On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, at 08:53 AM, Myriam/Ptite_marmotte wrote:


I show you a photo:
http://poneyfjord.nuxit.net/fuego/fuegov/dec0434.jpg

Re: Lack of Large Animal Vets??

[Tamara Rousso]

This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Rondi,

Probably not fair of me to answer since Bonsall is horse country and 
you know that, but I have no problems other than I need three different 
vets to meet all of my animal needs.  One vet for the small "pet" 
animals, another for the horses and goats, and yet another for the 
llamas because the horse/goat guys have one partner who doesn't do 
llamas.  But I know if you come down Fallbrook or Valley Center way you 
will be covered.


Tamara
Fallbrook CA  where it was 82 degrees today!  Where has the "good 
coffee" weather gone?  Oh, ya - north...   :^)


On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, at 06:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is a question for the list:
Are any of you experiencing a problem in your areas with a lack of 
Large

Animal
Veterinarians?
I live in Southern California, about an hour and a half from Los 
Angeles,

north east.
We are having a terrible time getting veterinarians to come and locate 
out

here.
My veterinarian retired in December and that leaves two veterinarians 
for

about 15000 horses, plus other large animals.
And one of those veterinarians, does not make housecall any more and 
we would
have to bring the horses to his place, which is about an hours drive 
away.
The nearest equine hospital is also about an hour's drive away, so we 
are all

really concerned.
But my vet who retired said that the problem is that of the graduating
classes, there are about 80% women, and they do not want to go into 
large animal

veterinary practices.They mostly do small animal practices.
I have no idea what to do if we have an emergency here.  And it is to 
the
point that we are wondering if we need to move to another area, but 
are the

problems the same there???
Thanks for any information you might have.

Rondi Tyler.
Pinon Hills, Calif.

Re: Shedding

[Lisa Wiley]

This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I will second that it is freezing in CT.  I forgot how cold it can get.  My 
PMU Fjord mare is on her way right now from Alberta I think she will feel 
right at home with this weather.

Lisa Wiley
Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs
Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose
http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/
http://www.geocities.com/summerct/horses.html
http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html 

Re: Lack of Large Animal Vets??

[NordicKees]

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This is a question for the list:
Are any of you experiencing a problem in your areas with a lack of Large 
Animal
Veterinarians?
I live in Southern California, about an hour and a half from Los Angeles, 
north east.
We are having a terrible time getting veterinarians to come and locate out 
here.
My veterinarian retired in December and that leaves two veterinarians for 
about 15000 horses, plus other large animals.
And one of those veterinarians, does not make housecall any more and we would 
have to bring the horses to his place, which is about an hours drive away.
The nearest equine hospital is also about an hour's drive away, so we are all 
really concerned.
But my vet who retired said that the problem is that of the graduating 
classes, there are about 80% women, and they do not want to go into large 
animal 
veterinary practices.They mostly do small animal practices.
I have no idea what to do if we have an emergency here.  And it is to the 
point that we are wondering if we need to move to another area, but are the 
problems the same there???
Thanks for any information you might have.

Rondi Tyler.
Pinon Hills, Calif.

Re: bloodlines

[Pat Holland]

This message is from: "Pat Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I know you all think Patti and I are starting our own community - but I do
have to agree with her. Big time..

I know if someone comes to me looking for a horse for themselves and they
need something calm - or its for their grand children, or they've been hurt
once or twice - or their older, I have a network of certain breeders that I
immediately call. If I have someone looking for a high level show prospect -
I may call on a different person. If I have someone wanting breeding stock,
again it may be an entire different person I call.

There are some very distinct characteristics derived from certain bloodlines
in our Fjord Registry. VERY  DISTINCTIVE.
And to you breeders out there, please keep in mind what your mares and
stallions produce and please, please sell them to buyers conducive to the
horse. No horse is perfect. But each of your breeding practices makes an
impact on the breed. And you need to know what it is your contributing to
the breed.

As Karen McCarthy said - I too wish NFHR could provide the results of the
past few years evaluations for us all. We've all been good little students,
gotten our horse evaluated, I encourage all of my clients with breeding
stock to have them evaluated.
My one Record Book is used so much its tattered. I use it ALL the time.  And
I agree, although its a highly sensitive issue, somehow we need to measure
the disposition better. I know they give scores for disposition in Norway
and Denmark and I believe if I remember correctly, Germany does too. Our
Evaluators say they mark for disposition in the performance tests, but it is
not as clear as it needs to be.

Lastly, I have to take a horse "up north" tomorrow - to you guys with the
feet of snow, ice and what appears like a combination of "Cold Mountain" and
"Dr. Zhivago"   a question - am I going to come back alive?  I guess if its
as bad as you say the worse thing that can happen is I might have to spend a
night with Jude Law or Omar Sharif.  : )

Pat Holland

Shedding

[JHalst7719]

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Patrick and I would like to "weigh in" on the shedding subject.   Patrick is 
shedding like crazy in spite of the fact that we are having the  coldest 
weather we have had so far.  I left the barn today covered with  hair in spite 
of 
the fact that Patrick is the only horse in the barn  without a blanket!
 
Carol 'n Patrick in freezing CT

re: winter colic

[David McWethy]

This message is from: "David  McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Good post, Brian or Ursula.  I know you both have good horse common sense, 
so it could be either.


This advice should be posted every year, to help be sure people are doing 
the best horse care, and preventable colic does not occur.


My own winter horse containment doesn't allow for heated water tubs, so what 
I do is give them fresh hot water twice a day.  Heated water is better.


One mare of ours, Elska, now under the good care of Jeanine Rachau, seemed 
to develop a taste for tea temperatured water, preferring to drink deeply 
when it was quite warm.


Dave 

Re: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #15

[CrystalZak]

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In a message dated 1/18/05 3:34:41 PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Mary Ofjord, who along with Philis Anderson, is waiting for
> spring.with snow now piled up to our eyeballs.
> 
> 
> Jon & Mary Ofjord
> North Coast Fjords
> Grand Marais, MN 55604
> 

now i know who has taken all the snow in minnesota. we have hardly had any, 
but boy, it's been COLD!!!

laurie
central minnesota

RE: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #15

[Sue Clark-Sorger]

This message is from: "Sue Clark-Sorger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Keswick and Heather have been shedding for 2 weeks now. The days have been
warm high 40s and low 50s but the night are around 11degrees. Love this
weather I have driven Heather  3 times in the last 4 days and as soon as I
have had a bite of lunch I will go and hitch and drive.
Sue

Sue Clark-Sorger
Crown Oak Fjords
Sandia Park NM




Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:45:33 -0600
From: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: shedding

This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is anyone's Fjord shedding yet?  Heidi is starting to lose her longer
hair and I can't seem to convince her she still needs all she has.

- --
Built Fjord Tough
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
N. Wisconsin

Re: shedding

[spiekath]

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- Original Message -
From: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:45 am
Subject: shedding

> This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Is anyone's Fjord shedding yet?  Heidi is starting to lose her 
> longer 
> hair and I can't seem to convince her she still needs all she has.
> 
> -- 
> Built Fjord Tough
> Carol M.
> On Golden Pond
> N. Wisconsin
> 

My pregnant mare is shedding but the other two fjords  are not.  She has been 
for about two weeks now.  The thoroughbred and mule both have shorter than 
usual winter coats this year.  They are all outside with a run-in stall.  

Kathy in Southeastern Idaho

Re: Weather/bloodlines

[Myriam/Ptite_marmotte]

This message is from: Myriam/Ptite_marmotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hello,

Thank you for your answers.
Your opinions are important for me because I hope to
do a good job by our article about bloodlines and
origins.

I completely agree that both mare and stallion
influenced their offspring.Unfortunately, It s more
difficult to get some documents or books about old
bloodlines by mares..I  have found more databases
about stallions bloodlines, and I continue my searches
about mares lines.

You are right Patti jo Walter, I m afraid of making
mistakes on our article, it s hard for us who are  a
little 'new' in the fjord horse breeding to really
know the lines , what's more there are a few documents
about it here.But,we are very enjoyed by learning
origins of fjord horse and I ve noted that many people
( breeders and owners) are interessed by this subject
and want tn know more about it.I m talking about it
with many breeders who live in my 'state'( I don t
find the right english word) in France .

By this article,  we  want to be objective and learn
some knowledges who have almost disapared in my
country.We will do our best!
I will send you  my article when it will be
finished.If it would be good, I will tell about to
write it on our fjord horse newspaper in France by the
association ( I m member).

Other subject: I have read your mails about winter, in
France it s the same, we have a lot of snow where I
live.My Fuego is the only fjord horse here and the
only horse  who can ride with me in this weather; he
is less sensitive to the cold than me.

I show you a photo:
http://poneyfjord.nuxit.net/fuego/fuegov/dec0434.jpg
We have make a short film of us in the snow:
http://poneyfjord.nuxit.net/fuego/fuegov/galop.avi
Escuse me for my poor english.

Myriam
France
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.poney-fjord.com






 


 

 --- Ruth Bushnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : 
> This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > On another note I was ... talking with my appy
> breeder friend. ... he 
> > would go on to say, that stallion throws brains,
> that stallion throws 
> > performance, that stallion throws
> disposition,...<>...  What do you 
> > think???
> >
> > Patti jo
> 
> I THINK this man "throws" confidence in his dominant
> masculinity (theory) 
> =)))
> 
> I agree with you that bloodlines are overall
> important too, but not 
> necessarily a slam-dunk guarantee for total
> predictability. Each offspring 
> of identical parents is uniquely different from
> another, same as humans, 
> because the selection process is polygenic, and
> RANDOM besides!
> 
> The stallion is no more important than the mare,
> except for her "piddly" 
> mitochondria (one part in hundreds of thousands)
> ...it's a 50/50 combo!
> 
> And it is only the combination of those TWO that
> make for the finished 
> product ...not a single horse! When you look at a
> beautiful stallion you are 
> seeing only HALF of the potential whole, and when
> you look at a handsome 
> foal you are seeing TWO parents, (and each of them
> represent the many, many, 
> genes in their innumerable ancestors.)
> 
> However, choosing the best lines possible for both
> mates certainly heightens 
> your chances of producing a good specimen... but
> that's called "selective 
> breeding" which is purportedly the philosophy that
> has ruined many breeds.
> 
> Maybe it's a more complex issue than we mortals can
> equate or specify?
> 
> Ruthie, nw mt US
>  






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Fjord Feast--Potluck dinner (Minneapolis, MN)

[alongfellow]

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Hosting a potluck for fjord fans this Friday, Jan.21 at my home in
Minneapolis.  Whether an owner, a rider, a wannabe, come gather and make new
fjord friends and meet people whom you may know only as a name on the digest,
or in a fjord publication.  Find out what others do with their fjords in the
winter besides wanting to use them as blankets to keep warm.  Bring some
thoughts on fun fjord activities which would give us an excuse to get
together.  I have the fjord grooming video.  Any other fjord videos or dvds
are welcome.  Contact me off list or call 612-374-3280 (cell: 612-991-5812).
I'm making a huge pot of vegetarian black bean chile.  Even if you are not
able to make it,  Send me a note if you would like to be notified of
activities and gatherings which are a result of this fabulous first fjord
feast.  Unfortunately, this is a two legged affair only.  My Bjorn is not
pleased.  He wants to be part of anything that has food associated with it.
Ann Longfellow

Re:bloodline profiles, stallions

[Karen McCarthy]

This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

IMO, if persons are to submit self-written accounts of their stallions
attributes, I think mostly what we're gonna get is allot of gushing
self-promotion, which, we allready have in the form of stallion ads in
current publications, in priint & online.

Personally, I think that if we put the NFHR EVALUATION  results to better
use, i.e. really get serious and start analyzing the different
catagorized results (yes, even trainability/dispostion), I think we might
start getting a more unbiased picture of what bllodlines have/have not to
offer. Performance results achieved outside the Eval process could also
be included. I think it would not only give an unbiased profile of our
breed, but, more credibility to a good program, that (IMO) is very
under-utilized, both in terms of participation by breeders (but getting
better), and on the other end, with data sitting in limbo in the NFHR's
hands, published infrequently in handbooks from time to time.

Believe me, I am not trying to be negative just realistic. JMPO bye the
way.

Karen

Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, 
Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees

Fjord focus

[Robert Morgan]

This message is from: "Robert Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi,
I picked up a copy of Horse Connection, freebie. They list their breed profile
articles for the year and in November 2005 they will profile the Fjord.

Horse Connection
380 Perry St, Suite 210
Castle Rock, CO 80104

www.horseconnection.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

303.663.1300

Opportunity for Pacific Northwest and other Western breeders to advertise.
Probably be good for the Pacific Northwest Group to have a 'group' ad, one
page or less with all members.

Re: WI Weather/bloodlines

[Ruth Bushnell]

This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On another note I was ... talking with my appy breeder friend. ... he 
would go on to say, that stallion throws brains, that stallion throws 
performance, that stallion throws disposition,...<>...  What do you 
think???


Patti jo


I THINK this man "throws" confidence in his dominant masculinity (theory) 
=)))


I agree with you that bloodlines are overall important too, but not 
necessarily a slam-dunk guarantee for total predictability. Each offspring 
of identical parents is uniquely different from another, same as humans, 
because the selection process is polygenic, and RANDOM besides!


The stallion is no more important than the mare, except for her "piddly" 
mitochondria (one part in hundreds of thousands) ...it's a 50/50 combo!


And it is only the combination of those TWO that make for the finished 
product ...not a single horse! When you look at a beautiful stallion you are 
seeing only HALF of the potential whole, and when you look at a handsome 
foal you are seeing TWO parents, (and each of them represent the many, many, 
genes in their innumerable ancestors.)


However, choosing the best lines possible for both mates certainly heightens 
your chances of producing a good specimen... but that's called "selective 
breeding" which is purportedly the philosophy that has ruined many breeds.


Maybe it's a more complex issue than we mortals can equate or specify?

Ruthie, nw mt US

Re: humor on a cold day

[Jean Ernest]

This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Carol, I feel for you!  We depend on a certain amount of snow depth for
insulation.  Several winters ago we had very little snow, but some
extremely cold temps and everybody had frozen septics and wells!  My well
had never before frozen in 24 years!  actually it was the underground pipe
from the "pitless adapter" 6' underground that froze. The frost level went
down to 8 and 9 feet that winter, they were still digging ice out of the
manholes in town in July!
How deep do you bury your water pipes and septic systems?

My leach tank is in the horse corral...Bad planning!.  But I finally solved
the problem by piling a heap of manure that I scrape up from the corral
over the leach tank..It even heats up and keeps the leach field from
freezing.  I have to take the old manure off the next summer and spread it
on the garden..well rotted by then, and put the newly scraped up manure on
for the next winter.

My Fjords are enjoying the sun today, it is -10 here, -30F in town! Head
for the hills!

Jean  in Fairbanks, ALaska

>Send us some of that snow.  We only have about 4 inches, but enough to 
>sleigh on at least.  We beat you for temps. this morning.  minus 34 
>almost and the big topic of conversation is whose septic is freezing.

Re: WI Weather/bloodlines

[Tamara Rousso]

This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I personally think it is a great idea.  That article would be a keeper.

Tamara
Fallbrook  CA

On Monday, January 17, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Dave and Patti Walter wrote:


BUT it just got me thinking
how it would be kind of neat to write an article but Fjord Stallions 
and just
see how accurate it follows our breed too.