fjords as statuary :)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] now i know that fjords are often quite laid back, and move as little as possible. and oz is certainly capable of being that way. tonight, however, really proved it. he has a stall where he is boarding right now that opens into his turnout. tonight the door was open, and he was inside munching on hay (surprise, right?). a PIGEON flew into the stall and landed on his back! the bird knew right away this was not a statue of general grant in the park and took his leave. oz never stopped chewing. laurie
dilemma/grazing muzzle redux
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i know grazing muzzles have been discussed before, but i did not expect to be in need of one. however, a change in circumstances may necessitate using one. before i got oz, we had an older horse who had been rescued several times, and ended up with my riding instructor. we bought him from her after she returned him to health, to keep our other horse company. when i got oz, we realized that we simply could not handle 3 horses. we found what we thought was an ideal placement situation for the two together, at a local bible camp for their summer riding program for kids. we sold one horse, and donated the rescued one with the stipulation that if they could not use him in their program, we would take him back. we never heard anything, so had no idea anything was wrong. about 2 weeks ago my instructor went to the camp to train their summer riding help. she found poor charlie, the old horse, in the pasture, just about on death's door. they had all been turned out all winter in the pasture with just cheap meadow hay, and obviously, no other care. he was simply skin and bones. my hubby was livid (and he never gets mad), called the place and said he was coming to pick charlie up, which he did. i almost cried when i saw him, he was so thin and sad. we have had him here since june 2, and with good feed and supplements, i am already seeing a vast improvement. he eats and eats, as well he should. now, how does this relate to a grazing muzzle one might ask? well, right now i am boarding oz at my instructor's so i can ride inside (we have had 6 solid weeks of RAIN), and get some of the weight off he put on this winter. and so i can bring him to blue earth without my having to wear a bag on my head so nobody can tell who owns such a chubby fjord. i am stuck as to what to do when i bring him home. charlie needs to eat all the time, oz hardly at all. if i keep them separate, putting charlie on pasture and oz in the dry lot, there is no way to get water to charlie. if i keep them both in the dry lot, charlie won't get enough to eat. can anyone suggest a better solution than the muzzle? and if you can recommend one? help! when these two horses stand next to each other, they are going to look like the number 10. laurie, living with both ends of the spectrum sorry this is so long...
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You can get Glory bits from Carriage Driving Essentials. http://carriagedrivingessentials.com/index.php?pg=2 Or go on the CD-L and post to see if anyone is selling one. That's how I got my first one. Cheers! Karen _ SEEK: Over 80,000 jobs across all industries at Australia's #1 job site. http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail
Photos from Fjord Foal Fest
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Paula: Your photos are beautiful. Of course it helps to start with beautiful subject matter! Looks like you could easily put together a Fjord calendar. http://www.pbase.com/paula_chmura/fjord_festival Congrats! Karen _ Try Random Place the soap opera for your mobile 4 free. SMS the word TRY to 0415RANMDOM http://www.randomplace.com.au/ninemsn
What's a Glory bit
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A Glory bit is really referring to the mouthpiece, as the Glory bit comes in several different cheeks (liverpool, butterfly, riding bit). It is made by the Glory Metalworks. It's a bit that many low pallet, thick tongue horses find comfortable. To the casual observer, you may think you're looking at a mullen mouth bit. The Glory mouth has a similar arch, but it's at a different angle than a mullen. For instance, if you take a mullen mouth bit and place it on your computer desk, the arch will rise off the desk like a bridge. The Glory bit, similarly laid on the desk, will arch like a bridge but the bridge will be leaning slightly. The lean will be "up" toward the top of the bit. There is yet another type of arched bit, uncommon, called an "arch mouth". This bit, when laid on the desk, will arch like a bridge but the bridge will have fallen completely over on its side, arching in line with the cheek pieces and pointing up. So, what does all this mean? Well, a mullen mouth bit gives tongue relief in neutral position until the bit is engaged, then starts squashing the tongue as it rotates forward. Rotation is limited by a correctly adjusted curb strap/chain and attachment to the bridle cheekpieces. A Glory mouth gives tongue relief in neutral position, and engages the tongue later in the rotation of the bit than the mullen mouth because of its angled arch. Rotation is limited as above. The arch mouth bit lies flat on the tongue in neutral position, and relieves tongue pressure as it is engaged and rotates. After using arched bits (mullen and Glory) and learning how they work, I'm amazed at horses who perform in plain or ribbed straight bar bits. You know, the very common liverpool driving bits. These apply tongue pressure all the time, and engagement/rotation of the bit simply adds curb pressure and more pressure on the tongue. Yikes! Never any relief! Now, a lot of horses/mules go around their whole driving careers with this type of bit. But it just proves my harness maker friend right -- that horses are the most forgiving critters in the world. Disclaimer: This is just what I've picked up about bits. I ain't no expert! Hope this helps. Karen From: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: looking for a 6" glory bit Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:16:01 -0500 This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jgayle wrote: This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is a glory bit? I have collected bits for years and am not familiar with this May be called a butterfly. Not sure -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin _ SEEK: Over 80,000 jobs across all industries at Australia's #1 job site. http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail
Laminasaver
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to the Cushings group on Yahoo which is moderated by Dr Kellon, the active ingredient in Laminasaver is Jiaogulan, which is available much cheaper in its pure form. I do not know much more about it since I do not have an actively laminitic horse right now, but there is a wealth of information in this group and the articles they send you when you join. They do only insulin resistance and Cushings. Valerie
re: sore feet
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Join the Equine Cushings list on Yahoo..lots of good info in the files, lots of support, you can find out about testing, treatment, etc.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/ Jean in hot and sunny Fairbanks, Alaska 82 degrees >Does anyone know a source when I can look up more about Cushings?
re: sore feet
This message is from: ConnieBennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our Vets did a clinic on feed, etc. We know most of the things they went over such as no/to limited sweet feeds not overgrazing particularly in the spring/fall when grass can be more potent (especially here) Older horses that cross the line (as many of us middle aged people do into diabetes) due to genetics, stress, overfeeding, overweight whatever. One of the main suggestions was to not give the horses any grain based vitamins, and only give grass hay that has been soaked in water for 30 minutes. (Pour out the water before feeding) The soaking removes the water soluble carbohydrates. Kind of an atkins diet for horses. IN addition to our two fjords (who have no problems in this regard). We have a little 21 year old pony, for my grandchildren, with an incredible knack for escaping. I came home after being gone most of the day, and there he was grazing with a belly like Santa Claus. The next few days he was very tender footed, leaving a remarkable amount of manure. We gave him bute for 3 days. This is the second time it has happened with him. The Vet had his blood tested and he came back as just into cushings. And he's tender every time we've had him trimmed since we've had him. As to hope for the situation He's been on the horse atkins diet and yesterday he ran back and forth several times, eyeballing if he could jump over the horse panels. He decided against it but has been checking every gate just incase someone slips up. Does anyone know a source when I can look up more about Cushings?
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Okay, Jean, but these designs have been around for years. I mean back to the nineteenth/twentieth century in my records. If you look at patents you will find similar designs. Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: Very Sore front feet
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Jill E. Fishinger CPA P.C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have been paying very close attention to this discussion on founder. Our > fjords are about 1 year old and getting quite chubby. While they are > growing is founder possible or likely? Should they be rationed or are they > too young? Many years ago, my first equine, a young donkey, foundered. The vet shook her head, and said that she wouldn't have believed that it was possible to founder a growing 2-year-old on coastal California's dryland pasture in August, but Shadow managed. Part of the problem was that I had let her get a bit overweight during the winter, then she porked up even more when the grass got good in the spring. My experiences indicate that the Fjord metabolism reacts similarly to that of a donkey. I've read that equines that are overweight in their first year or two of life are at much higher risk for joint disorders. Carrying too much weight on growing bones/joints just isn't good for them. And, I can attest that it's much easier to put weight onto a slim Fjord than it is to take it off of a chubby one. IMHO, your yearlings probably ought not be "chubby", so, yes, rationing is a good idea. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
about Glory bits
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Read about the patented mouthpiece of the Glory bits: http://www.glorybits.com/about.htm My Fjords really go well in them Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where it is really WARM! but no smoke! (yet)
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No , a "Glory" bit is one made by Ray Johnson, Glory Metal Works, with a certain mouth style, a forward tilted curved "mullen mouth". there are several different styles of cheek pieces for these bits. It allows more space for the larger tongue of some horses, without infringing on the low pallet of horses like Fjords and morgans. Only those made by Glory Metal works can be called Glory bits. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, sunny and warm again, 80 degrees and rising! too hot for this Alaskan! >Okay, a glory bit is a new name for Liverpools and others. Jean Gayle Thanks
Re: Very Sore front feet
This message is from: "Jill E. Fishinger CPA P.C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello, I have been paying very close attention to this discussion on founder. Our fjords are about 1 year old and getting quite chubby. While they are growing is founder possible or likely? Should they be rationed or are they too young? Anxious Mommy In Alma, Colorado Jill E. - Original Message - From: "Nancy Blauers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Very Sore front feet > This message is from: "Nancy Blauers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Everyone!I've been lurking for a spell and when I saw the notes on the > potential founder I had to write! Please take this very seriously! My QH > gelding had almost identical situation about three weeks before he really > foundered. He was very ouchy on his front feet one morning, my trainer > called the vet, who ruled out founder.We gave "Sam" a week off from > training. This was about 3 weeks before he really was in trouble, during > this time he seemed ok, so we started light work again. "Sam" then broke > out in hives, then had a really bad upper respiratory incident at a show. > The following weekend, my trainer found him lying down in his paddock > late in the afternoon and could not get him to stand. She pulled her > trailer up close to him, managed to get him up just enough to get him in > and then hauled him to the closest Equine Hospital. He was given > antibiotics& DMSO intravenous. After the intitial onset of laminitis, > which occured in ALL FOUR FEET! we brought him home and waited to see the > degree of rotation, which can happen a month to 5 months after the > initial onset. We had several x rays taken during the course of this time > and found that Sam had rotated 11 degrees in his left and 9 in his > right.His hind feet were fine. We hired a farrier who had extensive > expereince treating foundered horses. It was close to a full year before > he was sound and ridable again.My vet says he has recovered 100 > percent. I now only enjoy him for a little arena work & trail riding,& > I watch his diet like a hawk.He's out right now playing with my fjords, > his best buddy is little Theodin! There are so many triggers to set off > this horrible illness, and so many ways that it can creep up on you like > Sam's did. Please get another opinon fast! Best of luck to you and please > keep us updated. Nancy BlauersGeneva,Fl
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Okay, a glory bit is a new name for Liverpools and others. Jean Gayle Thanks Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:17 AM 6/14/2005 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Look at the website: http://www.glorybits.com/ > > > >What is a glory bit? I have collected bits for years and am not familiar > >with this one. Jean
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Look at the website: http://www.glorybits.com/ >What is a glory bit? I have collected bits for years and am not familiar >with this one. Jean
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jgayle wrote: This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is a glory bit? I have collected bits for years and am not familiar with this May be called a butterfly. Not sure -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: Very Sore front feet
This message is from: "Nancy Blauers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Everyone!I've been lurking for a spell and when I saw the notes on the potential founder I had to write! Please take this very seriously! My QH gelding had almost identical situation about three weeks before he really foundered. He was very ouchy on his front feet one morning, my trainer called the vet, who ruled out founder.We gave "Sam" a week off from training. This was about 3 weeks before he really was in trouble, during this time he seemed ok, so we started light work again. "Sam" then broke out in hives, then had a really bad upper respiratory incident at a show. The following weekend, my trainer found him lying down in his paddock late in the afternoon and could not get him to stand. She pulled her trailer up close to him, managed to get him up just enough to get him in and then hauled him to the closest Equine Hospital. He was given antibiotics& DMSO intravenous. After the intitial onset of laminitis, which occured in ALL FOUR FEET! we brought him home and waited to see the degree of rotation, which can happen a month to 5 months after the initial onset. We had several x rays taken during the course of this time and found that Sam had rotated 11 degrees in his left and 9 in his right.His hind feet were fine. We hired a farrier who had extensive expereince treating foundered horses. It was close to a full year before he was sound and ridable again.My vet says he has recovered 100 percent. I now only enjoy him for a little arena work & trail riding,& I watch his diet like a hawk.He's out right now playing with my fjords, his best buddy is little Theodin! There are so many triggers to set off this horrible illness, and so many ways that it can creep up on you like Sam's did. Please get another opinon fast! Best of luck to you and please keep us updated. Nancy BlauersGeneva,Fl
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is a glory bit? I have collected bits for years and am not familiar with this one. Jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Oops! Sorry Re: Guidance for Me?
This message is from: Holly Tuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just wanted to apologize to the list for that email. It was suppose to be sent to Dave directly. Sometimes a triple check is required. Holly Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Or you could order direct from Ray Johnson..he makes these bits. Ray is very helpful to talk to, will exchange bits if wrong size, etc.Glory bits are also cheaper direct from him.http://www.glorybits.com/ Glory Metal Works[EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 431 New Hampton, New Hampshire 03256 1-603-744-5467 fax and office. >Try Iowa Valley Carriage. Sandy has nice stuff at a decent price.
Guidance for Me??
This message is from: Holly Tuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dave, I was wondering if you could provide a little guidance for me. I have not picked Lin up yet and when I called Deb Coggiola, she said to talk to you. It seems that you know Lin, in fact she said you either had Lin prior to her or delivered Lin to her. My question now is, can you provide me with enough information so that I might order some of your cadillac parts to start a harness for log hauling? I am looking at the biothane black with stainless steel. I know that you are very busy right now getting ready for your move so if you can't I will understand and just wait until you are settled into your new place to order. Thanks, Holly --- David McWethy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "David McWethy" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I need to provide a little guidance. Holly A. Tuck 16 McCluskey Drive R.R.#3 Thunder Bay, Ontario P7C 4V2 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: looking for a 6" glory bit
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Try Iowa Valley Carriage. Sandy has nice stuff at a decent price. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am looking for a 6" Glory Driving Bit I have my 2nd Fjord (Thor )driving Yea -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
