Livestock guarding dog puppies for sale
This message is from: "Janet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have a litter of livestock guarding dog puppies for sale. This particular litter is 1/2 Spanish Mastiff and 1/2 Polish Tatra both livestock guarding breeds from their respective countries and both parents are effective working dogs. Livestock guarding dogs can make good stable companions adding security to your stable and pastures for those of you who live in an area with cougar or wolves (and two legged predators too!). Pups have been socialized with sheep, cattle, and fjord horses. check out our website www.tamaracksheep.com for details we have two white males, one white female, and one spotted female available. Janet
Re: trail trials
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/14/2005 9:04:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I tried it but the thin rope hurt my hand so I TIED it to the saddle..You guessed it. Old Bjarne thought it was attacking him when it moved as he pulled it..He started bouncing around and I finally fell off. *** Oops! Fortunately the trail trial rules proscribe against this, for folks who might think it a good idea! / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com www.MillwoodRanch.com
Re: trail trials
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, don't do what I did years ago..I was riding Bjarne the first summer I had him, riding with a neighbor, and we started playing around on her trail course. She had a thin rope tied to a tire which she dragged. Well, I tried it but the thin rope hurt my hand so I TIED it to the saddle..You guessed it. Old Bjarne thought it was attacking him when it moved as he pulled it..He started bouncing around and I finally fell off. He took off with the tire bouncing after him, through the woods, where the rope broke. He then ran off home to stand shakiing in his home corral. Live and learn..I didn't know much about horses and riding then! As far as a sack of pop cans, I put a bunch of pop cans in a burlap sack, tied it and gave it to Bjorken to play with when he was a baby. He picked it up and ran around shaking it terrorizing poor Bjarne with it, actually liked to chase Bjarne shaking the bag. What a hoot! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, another hot smokey day, 84 degrees. >Practice dragging some things around your horse.Practice a little give and >take with the rope. Probably wouldnt be a good idea to dally around the >horn yet. Drop the rope if he gets too spooky and let him walk up to the >obstacle. We watched a few wild rides when the riders just "wouldnt" let >go of the rope. Also some horses did fine till the rope rubbed their >hindquarters.
Re: trail trials
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/14/2005 4:41:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also rode at the Hazard clinic with Shawna. Her mare did great. I hadnt drug a bag of cans before on my Fjord, but had drug a small christmas tree and a large branch at previous clinics. Thanks Pam and all who responded. We've been practicing and Knute is doing great. I'm dragging a burlap sack full of cans from a long lead rope, while I lead him. I'm using the clicker to reinforce good behaviors like walking calmly, looking at the object, sniffing it etc. He'd rather not do this, but he's tolerating it. First I hold the rope in my hand then, when he gets used to the idea, I put the rope over the horn of the saddle and hold the other end, so I could let go if he spooked. He's tolerating it well, but definitely sees no sense in being attached to noisy objects ;-). The walk-through obstacles seem like they won't be too hard for a Fjord, but another one I need to practice is putting on a rain coat, from horseback. Today I was really glad I have Fjords, and that we have great relationships. I went for a trail ride with several people including my boss Millard, who rode Knute while I rode Rafael. We exited the ranch property, rode in the park for a while, then returned through a different access point, where someone years ago cut away the barbed wire of the old perimeter fence ... or so we thought. The wire, cut away from the T posts, was actually lying in coils on the ground, which Knute stepped right into. It tightened around his hind leg like a noose, at which point I told Millard to back him up. That didn't help, in fact he then got his other hind leg and his tail stuck in the wire. Knute tried to pull his feet free then, seeing this was futile, stood still and waited for us to rescue him. It took several minutes of us moving him a few inches in each direction, unwinding the wore, and asking him to lift each hind foot, before he was free. I breathed a sigh of relief, knowing if this had been another horse it could have torn its leg off in panic. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com www.MillwoodRanch.com
equine goggles
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] here is a website that makes goggles for horses with eye problems: http://www.horsemask.com/Main.html laurie
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #183
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/14/05 6:26:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I wonder if they make "doggles" for horses? > there are actually such things, made for horses with eye injuries and diseases. laurie
Re: Traditional Norwegian Harness
This message is from: "Curtis Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi! We have a pairs Norwegian Harness made by Olaf Nyby. He has modified it to work with the carts and carriages used here in North America. The harness has traces and the collar has connectors for the pole straps. We have used it in ADS pleasure shows, ADTs, and CDEs. The pairs harness can also be used as a single harness. As a single harness, it works best with a cart modified for the Norwegian plate and pin, but he has extra straps to hold the shafts without the Norwegian modification. We like the harness because it is traditional for the Fjords and the collar fits any horse. The ADS judges have given us good comments about the harness. In regards to pictures of the harness, there is one of a single harness at Olaf's website: http://www.olafnyby.net/Harness.htm. It is not a good picture (even though it is me driving Solvar). There are many photos of the pairs harness at our website: http://www.deepcreekfjords.com/. Let me know if you have more questions. Curt Pierce and Marsha Korose Mathias, WV PS. Our Fjords are wondering what is going on. This is the first weekend that we have not been at a Fjord event is the last 4 weeks. Next weekend we will be at the NFHA Fjord Show in Spencer, MA.
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #183
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/14/2005 4:24:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to adapt a norwegian harness for use with an english single-horse vehicle, you will have to add traces and shaft loops to essentially convert the harness into an english style harness. It can be done, but the conversion is awkward and eliminates the advantages of the using the norwegian harnessing system. The other option is to modify the shafts of an english vehicle so you can actually use the link (called the "ore" in Norwegian) to properly connect the horse to the vehicle. The ore pins onto the shafts about where the shaft loops on an english harness would normally be. The shafts also need to be sturdy enough to transmit the pull of the horse to the vehicle. I'm not saying it can't be done ... it's just that there's more to the problem than just using a different type of collar. DeeAnna DeeAnna, I would love to see pictures of it. Next year I plan to get a custom cart made for my mare. If I can or do get a Norwegian Harness I can make sure the cart is made for it. Shari
Grey/white dun
This message is from: Sara Faull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was just catching up and wanted to comment on the grey/white dun question. We have a mare who we also have some color confusion about. She may be one of those greys carrying the hidden white gene. She is actually a grey- although she is registered as white. When she was a foal she looked white- hence the registration. As she shed out she still was light, but had light brown coloring on her face where the grey usually has black. That has since darkened and she looks like a standard grey now. By breeding her to a brown we could find out if she carries the white gene if she throws a white. Another interesting characteristic about her is her eye color. They are a very light brown. Her name is Abby- She is out of our grey stallion Karimann (Karibu) and her dam is a white dun Modellen daughter. A photo of Abby can be seen on our website photo gallery: http://www.mandalafarm.com/gallery.html I don't know if you can see her eye color from the photo, but it is unusual. Her mother- Ylva - is also in the photo gallery the last picture. Sara Mandala Farm Maine
Re: winter hair alert
This message is from: "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh it's for real, LOL.summer hair coming off in sheets it seems like...the first day I couldn't believe, but yes, it's trueshedding time is here Reena This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You guys need new glasses it's not real!!! : ) It can't be Roberta choosing to not notice! > This message is from: Carol Makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi, > Heidi has started to shed out the summer hair, too, and will soon be fuzzy.
Re: trail trials
This message is from: Pam G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brigid, I also rode at the Hazard clinic with Shawna. Her mare did great. I hadnt drug a bag of cans before on my Fjord, but had drug a small christmas tree and a large branch at previous clinics. He did ok, but was a bit sceptical. Sounds like you have a little time to practice. Practice dragging some things around your horse.Practice a little give and take with the rope. Probably wouldnt be a good idea to dally around the horn yet. Drop the rope if he gets too spooky and let him walk up to the obstacle. We watched a few wild rides when the riders just "wouldnt" let go of the rope. Also some horses did fine till the rope rubbed their hindquarters. Good luck and hope you have a good ride.! There are some good pics of Fjords at the Oregon Trail Championships 2004 on www.annawightphotography.com Gayle Ware on Dusty in the senior division and Sue Grantham on Tomas and me (Pam Garza) on Hansel in the Adult division. We all had a great time and our horses got alot of attention . Pam and Hansel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone- I'm going to my first trail trials in a couple weeks, and it sounds like great fun. All the obstacles seem pretty logical except the "drag." Can anyone tell me exactly how this is done? / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com www.MillwoodRanch.com - Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Re: winter hair alert
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You guys need new glasses it's not real!!! : ) It can't be Roberta choosing to not notice! - Original Message - From: "Carol Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: winter hair alert > This message is from: Carol Makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi, > Heidi has started to shed out the summer hair, too, and will soon be fuzzy. > > Jean Ernest wrote: > > >This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >.Mine have already > >been shedding their short summer hairs > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the midst of the height of the summer fly season - there are more now than > >>i have seen all summer - oz has begun his winter coat. > >> > >> > > -- > Built Fjord Tough > Carol M. > On Golden Pond > N. Wisconsin
Re:
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm finding it very interesting reading about everyone's views regarding Evaluations and breeding. (At least the ones who are writing into this list and to me personally). Thanks by the way. This is good dialog. There are far more people than I thought there would be that are for stallion evaluations. There are also many that believe we should do a better job educating stallion owners as well. I'm sure it would be years and years (if at all) to ever get to a system where all stallions would be evaluated but maybe by starting this thought process we can at least get some type of educational program in place for the stallion owners. I really don't believe that "genetic diversity" will suffer if we test stallions and/or educate owners. How is it any different than what we are doing now? There are already many stallions that have gone through the evaluation system and I don't believe they are statistically breeding more than non evaluated stallions. What I do like about having evaluated stallions out there is that I can find the best match for my mares. I know this is obvious, but each mare is different and selecting the right stallion / mare cross is very important. Having an unbiased expert's opinion goes a long way in my book when it comes to making this match. (More than the possibly "Barn Blind" stallion owner). By having more stallions evaluated we not only increase this pool but also make better choices when it comes to breeding our mares. What is being served now by an owner with one stallion and 10 mares breeding each year? How can that stallion be the right choice for each of those mares? Some people have stated that they don't think it would be a good idea to evaluate every stallion. I have yet to hear any good reasons though. (Please don't respond with the genetic diversity argument - I think that has been covered enough). Are there any other reasons? I also believe that there is a huge value in getting your mares evaluated. I just got back from the La Crosse Evaluation where I brought both a 3 year old mare I had purchased as a suckling and a 3 year old gelding of my own breeding. They both evaluated well and I have learned more about their respective conformations and will use this info to guide me in the future in regards to my breeding practices. The gelding is interesting in the fact that the reason I gelded him was that his line was very well represented here in the midwest. I did try to sell him to either coast as a stud prospect before gelding him but got no bites. He turned out to be an excellent horse with the temperament, movement and blue ribbon conformation that is desired in a stallion. But like I said I gelded him because his father and two half brothers were standing here in the midwest. As it turns out, both of his half brothers have passed on and his sire didn't breed this year. OOPS! Oh well, he is a great gelding. Speaking of the La Crosse Evaluation, I have read that some believe that the Evaluators gave higher marks to movement over temperament. I think I read this correctly. Since we aren't looking at temperament in the conformation test this makes sense to me. I don't believe its possible or a good idea to be evaluating and scoring the temperament of our stallions in the conformation part of the evaluation process. How can it be possible in one 20-30 minute session to do this. The scoring would be more for training than temperament. I don't think the behavior people have pointed out in recent evaluations can be solely placed on temperament. I'm sure some could - but how much? The performance aspect of the NFHR evaluation system would be a better place to "judge" temperament and I believe this is so. Station testing for a longer period of time is how other countries test stallions (including temperament) but I don't see North America going this way if we can't even get people on board for a 1/2 hour conformation test. I do want to congratulate everyone who brought their horses to both Blue Earth and La Crosse. I think everyone had a good time and I hope learned a lot both about the breed and their respective horses. It was great seeing you all again. I'm looking forward to getting together again with everyone. Perhaps we can do more than one show a year here in the midwest. There does seem to be the interest. I heard talk of possibly trying to get something set up at Winona - sounds interesting. Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm
Re: Blue eyes
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have made a few contact lenses for race horses. Long time ago Roberta - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Blue eyes > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I wonder if they make "doggles" for horses? > > Suzan > > God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. > - Voltaire
Re: winter hair alert
This message is from: Carol Makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Heidi has started to shed out the summer hair, too, and will soon be fuzzy. Jean Ernest wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .Mine have already been shedding their short summer hairs in the midst of the height of the summer fly season - there are more now than i have seen all summer - oz has begun his winter coat. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: Blue eyes
This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Funny you should ask...I E-mailed the folks who manufacture doggles and asked them if they would make a pair for my horse. I E-mailed them twice but got no answer. :) Cherie - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Blue eyes This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder if they make "doggles" for horses? Suzan God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. - Voltaire
Re: winter hair alert
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Clippers! Pretend it isn't happening!..clip those hairs off and keep summer for awhile! The fuzzy coat is another problem...Mine have already been shedding their short summer hairs and started getting fuzzy, especially old Bjarne, who is always the earliest. Jean in HOT Fairbanks, Alaska, record heat wave and smoke! >in the midst of the height of the summer fly season - there are more now than >i have seen all summer - oz has begun his winter coat. long white hairs are >appearing under his jaw and throat..i am torn.i would like it to cool >off, but i am not ready to think about the S word yet. > >laurie and oz. who thinks he looks distinguised with his new goatee
Re: Need emergency help
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gail, You didn't put your name on your message..For everyone who may not know, this is Gail Russell and her husband Jim. I pray that everything turns out OK.. Please keep in touch, and when you can, tell us what happened! Jean in smoky Fairbanks, Alaska, where is is record heat again and smoky from wildfires. will be 85 degrees today again. IAt 06:04 AM 8/14/2005 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Can someone who sees this get for me the international kaiser permanente >emergencz care phone number. aqccident, but now thez have discovered a heart jproblem in the > >Here is the US number 800-227-2415 > >If in CA, 800-772-3532 > >I think I have the number, but it is in my luggage. ## > > >CAn someone e mail it back the list list ASAP > >I am still searching the internet for it. but kaiser keeps it a secret.## > >if thez want a member number 10646489 > >we are in a hospital in vienna.
winter hair alert
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the midst of the height of the summer fly season - there are more now than i have seen all summer - oz has begun his winter coat. long white hairs are appearing under his jaw and throat..i am torn.i would like it to cool off, but i am not ready to think about the S word yet. laurie and oz. who thinks he looks distinguised with his new goatee
Re: Need emergency help
This message is from: Nan Lewis Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I talked to Vera at Kaiser Permanente in CA and she gave me the following info for you: Call 1-225-552-4737 and then enter the access code for the country you are visiting. She didn't have the access code but according to my phone book it is 43. Good luck. Regards, Nan L-S Harvard, MA On 8/14/05 9:04 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Can someone who sees this get for me the international kaiser permanente > emergencz care phone number. aqccident, but now thez have discovered a heart jproblem in > > Here is the US number 800-227-2415 > > If in CA, 800-772-3532 > > I think I have the number, but it is in my luggage. ## > > > CAn someone e mail it back the list list ASAP > > I am still searching the internet for it. but kaiser keeps it a secret.## > > if thez want a member number 10646489 > > we are in a hospital in vienna.
Re: Need emergency help
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HMM, I just tried the Kaiser link posted here and it didn't work either... but if I type it fresh into the Internet address box it does... so try that... type in www.kaiserpermanent.org and your enter box should pop up. Good luck! Ruthie, nw mt US - Original Message - From: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Need emergency help This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from: "" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can someone who sees this get for me the international kaiser permanente emergencz care phone number. aqccident, but now thez have discovered a heart jproblem in the Here is the US number 800-227-2415 If in CA, 800-772-3532 I think I have the number, but it is in my luggage. ## CAn someone e mail it back the list list ASAP I am still searching the internet for it. but kaiser keeps it a secret.## if thez want a member number 10646489 we are in a hospital in vienna. IT APPEARS THAT the search engine shows an "e" that shouldn't be there... so it's active, it should be www.kaiserpermanent.org I would have needed your password in order to enter... the policy number wasn't enough. I do see one number for support.. 1-877-752-4737 and maybe they could transfer you. My prayer is with you! Ruthie, nw mt US
Re: Breeding & Quality
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:20 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes but they are not all NFHR Registered. In fact most of them are not. They are in the database for pedigree purposes. A lot of them are Norwegian or Dutch horses that are in the pedigrees of the registered ones. Mike Very interesting stats, thanks Mike. Are the many, many, livestock center Fjord pedigrees from Canada included in the NFHR databank as well? (I realize that many Fjords are dual registered of course.) Canada has their own (govt)database but I'm not certain if it is amalgamated with ours entirely or not. The Canadian horses are not all in the database. They are only there for pedigree purposes the same as the Norwegian, Dutch, Danish, German etc horses are. Statistics are an invaluable tool for any manner of breed enrichment and if we are ever in a position of having a genetical analyst they will of course be necessary. Ruthie, nw mt US === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need emergency help
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from: "" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can someone who sees this get for me the international kaiser permanente emergencz care phone number. aqccident, but now thez have discovered a heart jproblem in the Here is the US number 800-227-2415 If in CA, 800-772-3532 I think I have the number, but it is in my luggage. ## CAn someone e mail it back the list list ASAP I am still searching the internet for it. but kaiser keeps it a secret.## if thez want a member number 10646489 we are in a hospital in vienna. IT APPEARS THAT the search engine shows an "e" that shouldn't be there... so it's active, it should be www.kaiserpermanent.org I would have needed your password in order to enter... the policy number wasn't enough. I do see one number for support.. 1-877-752-4737 and maybe they could transfer you. My prayer is with you! Ruthie, nw mt US
Re: Grey dun/White dun/Libby Info. (long)
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:07 AM 8/11/2005, you wrote: This message is from: "Olivia Farm, Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike, First and foremost, thanks for adding the Libby show info. to the website. Though I have not been active in PNFPG leadership, I am always looking for ways to promote fjords and our organizations. I am always amazed with the speed with which you are able to make changes and respond to inquiries. Your the best! Also, thanks for the quick reply and clarification on the registerability of "kvit" horses in the NFHR. My confusion came from the "Fjords of Different Colors" page in the Gallery on the NFHR Website (http://www.nfhr.com/Horses%20of%20Different%20Colors.html) where it states that "kvit" is..."Not an approved fjord color". If this is a color approved for registration by the NFHR then we might consider omitting that suggestion from the website to prevent further confusion. Yes I guess you are right. That is confusing. In Norway that is true I do believe so it isn't really an "Approved color". But since there isn't any NFHR rule against certain colors I don't really have a choice in registering them. By the way there has only been one born in the US that I am aware of so this isn't a real big problem either. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need emergency help
This message is from: "" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can someone who sees this get for me the international kaiser permanente emergencz care phone number.
