RE: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #240, Fjords For Sale in Wisconsin
This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fjords For Sale in Wisconsin, I have 3 weanling fjords for sale, priced to sell, 2 fillies sired by Skyview Henry, and 1 stud colt out of LFF Ullend. All are weaned and halter broke. They should all mature 14 hands or better. $2000.00 each, will do package deal! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Located near Portage , Wisconsin 608-587-2737 Original Message: mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
panting
This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My small pony did that to cool off, it was TERRIBLE..he shut down sweating when the humidity and them temps were high...in Missouri in Julya black ponya fat ponyThe vet lost 3 horses just days before my pony "came down with it".I won't work him in the high temps and high humidity, and I keep his coat cut...even my fjords who grow way too early here in Texas, get clippedWhen I took my ponys temp, it was close to 105...he was literally cooking insidewhen they pant, take their temps, see what your'e getting...fans and misters work, and my guy is on one A/C Debby in Tx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
our first show brag
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a little brag for Felicity's Willow, a 6 year old Fjord we have raised from a 5 month weanling. Her latest trainer is a 15 year old neighbor girl who is a super rider, usually rides thoroughbreds from the track that she "flips." She has been working with Willow a little over a year when the weather is nice (ie, not Dec - March) and has been teaching her to jump, like the big guys. She has worked her way up through the single cross rails to the 2' courses. Today we took her to a local schooling show at a well known hunt barn in the area. Willow gets excited when around new horses, but settled right in and Julia rode her around the big outside ring a bit. The first class was a flat one in their very dark indoor, a pleasure class so Willow had to look pleasurable. We were on the way to probably second when a guy poked his head into the side door just as she was coming around, and she gave a little shy. So it was a third. Then judged warmup crossrails, big class, 6th, she managed to go through at least the edges of the huge mud puddles (not her favorite on the trails) and kept cantering the whole way around. Then a third in the actual crossrails. She was doing so well, Julia asked to put her into the 2' course, and she was even better at that, her first wall jump, and so on. She got better in each jumping class. Julia summed up the day by being very pleased against all those huge brown horses, said Willow is never scared of any jump, she just jumps it. So I think she we have a little jumper. She is for sale, by the way, look on Dreamhorse or Equine.com. She is too small for me and I sure don't jump any more! Valerie Columbia, CT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2). She is overweight and the wonderful woman I bought her from kept a > grazing muzzle on her during the day, and dry lot at night. She does > not have a cresty neck, nor any scary fat pads at her tail head or > over her shoulders, so I am wondering if I can take the muzzle OF her > since she is much happier grazing. If the previous owner had a grazing muzzle on her, and you still think that she is overweight, I would probably leave the grazing muzzle in place. Yes, Fjords are much happier if they can eat more---but their metabolisms are geared to save every spare calorie for later. If you decide to try a period of time without the grazing muzzle, first measure her heart-girth (just behind the withers and elbow) and rib-girth (widest part of the ribs), and record it on the calendar. Then, redo those measurements under the same conditions (same time of day, same stance, etc) every week. If you see the numbers trending upward, then she's getting too much grass. In general, it is far easier to keep a Fjord's weight down than to try to take the weight back off, again! > 3). She gets REALLY PUSHY when I give her treats, so I think I will > stop giving them. But the question is: is this pushiness a > Fjord/coldblood thing, or just her individual personality? Fjords will generally be just as pushy as they think they can get away with. She is checking out where she fits in your hierarchy. Be aware that, if you aren't the Boss Mare, she will take on that role. Some Fjords are naturally polite about treats; others have to be taught the skill. If you're worried about your fingers, get a small cheap pair of pliers, and use that to deliver treats. It saves wear and tear on fingers, and gives the equine some feedback that the "fast chomp" technique has drawbacks. Or, feed treats via the grazing muzzle. My husband's Fjord gelding was a treat snatcher for years. With his grazing muzzle in place, he can only get the treat if he nibbles delicately at it as it comes in thru the hole at the bottom. (He gets a piece of a horse cookie for putting his muzzle on in his pen, before going out to pasture, and 1.5 hours later, another treat for coming to the barn door to have the muzzle taken off as he goes back into his pen.) When we got past the high-sugar grass season this spring, I stopped using the grazing muzzle for the summer---and found that he continued to gently nibble his treats, vs snatching at them. > 4). I don't clicker train my other two horses (they are Tennessee > Walking Horses) but am wondering if Clicker training is for some > reason a particularly great thing to do with Fjords? Fjords are highly motivated by food! One thing to be aware of is that Fjords generally have more subtle body language than you may be used to in other breeds. You will have to watch them more closely, to see the beginnings of a "try". And, you may have to "tone down" your body language around them, to keep from "challenging" them more than you intended. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: On Topic: O.C.E.A.N syndrome
This message is from: "Debbie Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ohthis is so funny...and so true.I could relate to many of these and I am sure most of us can who own fjords! I wonder if my hubby will think it is as funny as I do! I will need to pass this on to many horse friends.laughs are always a great thing! Mike, thanks for sharing Debbie Ulrich Corgi Hill Farm Winona, MN Mike wrote: Living with O.C.E.A.N. Syndrome - By Scooter Grubb Just recently, after years of research, I have finally been able to give a name to what my wife and I have been living with for years. It's an affliction, for sure, which when undiagnosed and misunderstood can devastate and literally tear a family apart. Very little is known about O.C.E.A.N. Syndrome. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You can quickly train her to take treats politely using clicker training. 3). She gets REALLY PUSHY when I give her treats, so I think I will stop giving them. But the question is: is this pushiness a Fjord/coldblood thing, or just her individual personality? 4). I don't clicker train my other two horses (they are Tennessee Walking Horses) but am wondering if Clicker training is for some reason a particularly great thing to do with Fjords? They are highly food motivated, unlike some horses. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
On Topic: O.C.E.A.N syndrome
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Living with O.C.E.A.N. Syndrome - By Scooter Grubb Just recently, after years of research, I have finally been able to give a name to what my wife and I have been living with for years. It's an affliction, for sure, which when undiagnosed and misunderstood can devastate and literally tear a family apart. Very little is known about O.C.E.A.N. Syndrome. But it is my hope this article will generate interest from researchers involved in the equine and psychological sciences. You will, no doubt, begin to identify similar symptoms in your own family and hopefully now be able to cope. Obsessive Compulsive Equine Attachment Neurosis Syndrome (O.C.E.A.N.S) is usually found in the female and can manifest itself anytime from birth to the golden years. Symptoms may appear any time and may even go dormant in the late teens, but the syndrome frequently re-emerges in later years. Symptoms vary widely in both number and degree of severity. Allow me to share some examples which are most prominent in our home. The afflicted individual: 1. Can smell moldy hay at ten paces, but can't tell whether milk has gone bad until it turns chunky. 2. Finds the occasional "Buck and Toot" session hugely entertaining, but severely chastises her husband for similar antics. 3. Will spend hours cleaning and conditioning her tack, but wants to eat on paper plates so there are no dishes. 4. Considers equine gaseous excretions a fragrance. 5. Enjoys mucking out four stalls twice a day, but insists on having a housekeeper mop the kitchen floor once a week. 6. Will spend an hour combing and trimming an equine mane, but wears a baseball cap so she doesn't waste time brushing her own hair. 7. Will dig through manure piles daily looking for worms, but does not fish. 8. Will not hesitate to administer a rectal exam up to her shoulder, but finds cleaning out the Thanksgiving turkey cavity for dressing quite repulsive. 9. By memory can mix eight different supplements in the correct proportions, but can't make macaroni and cheese that isn't soupy. 10. Twice a week will spend an hour scrubbing algae from the water tanks, but has a problem cleaning lasagna out of the casserole dish. 11. Will pick a horse's nose, and call it cleaning, but becomes verbally violent when her husband picks his. 12. Can sit through a four-hour session of a ground work clinic, but unable to make it through a half-hour episode of Cops. The spouse of an afflicted victim: 1. Must come to terms with the fact there is no cure, and only slightly effective treatments. The syndrome may be genetic or caused by the inhaling of manure particles which, I propose, have an adverse effect on female hormones. 2. Must adjust the family budget to include equine items - hay, veterinarian services, farrier services, riding boots and clothes, supplements, tack, equine masseuse and acupuncturist - as well as the mandatory) equine spiritual guide, etc. Once you have identified a monthly figure, never look at it again. Doing so will cause tightness in your chest, nausea and occasional diarrhea. 3. Must realize that your spouse has no control over this affliction. More often than not, she will deny a problem even exists as denial is common. 4. Must form a support group. You need to know you're not alone - and there's no shame in admitting your wife has a problem. My support group, for instance, involves men who truly enjoy Harley Davidsons, four-day weekends and lots of scotch. Most times, she is unaware that I am even gone, until the precise moment she needs help getting a 50- pound bag of grain out of the truck. Now you can better see how O.C.E.A.N.S. affects countless households in this country and abroad. It knows no racial, ethnic or religious boundaries. It is a syndrome that will be difficult to treat because those most affected are in denial and therefore, not interested in a cure. So, I am taking it upon myself to be constantly diligent in my research in order to pass along information to make it easier for caretakers to cope on a day to day basis. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, my name is Jen, and I am an addict. More acurately: I am OBSESSED with my new Fjord mare. I am madly inlove with her and have many questions for you seasoned Fjord owners. 1). I am riding her in a bareback pad called the Little Joe pad which has the ability to attatch english stirrups and leather. I post the trot and am worried that a bareback pad may not give her enough relief from the pressure the posting creates. Can anyone tell me what kind of saddle or treeless saddle they use on their Fjords? Mine is quite the Chunky Monkey right now--no withers at all! I prefer to ride in treeless saddles... 2). She is overweight and the wonderful woman I bought her from kept a grazing muzzle on her during the day, and dry lot at night. She does not have a cresty neck, nor any scary fat pads at her tail head or over her shoulders, so I am wondering if I can take the muzzle OF her since she is much happier grazing. Right now she is on a long (i.e. not recently mowed) Bahia Grass pasture. I don't know a lot about Bahia but I think it is high roughage and very little protein. I'm not sure about the sugar and starch content thoughin any case, do any of you out there have a CHUNKY Fjord and and keep them UN muzzled? 3). She gets REALLY PUSHY when I give her treats, so I think I will stop giving them. But the question is: is this pushiness a Fjord/coldblood thing, or just her individual personality? 4). I don't clicker train my other two horses (they are Tennessee Walking Horses) but am wondering if Clicker training is for some reason a particularly great thing to do with Fjords? 5). Any reccomendations on a good synthetic harness for driving her that is not way too expensive? I have looked into Camptown, Yonies, and Zilco. Any preferences? 6). Anybody have a cart or carraige for sale that would fit a 13.2 hand Fjord? Thanks in advance for all the info!!! I am sure that I will have a zillion more questions... Jen Frame The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Panting
This message is from: Emily Wigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have two horses that occasionally pant: Biscuit, our 13 y.o. Fjord mare, and Spaten, our 18 y.o. Hanoverian mare. They both pant sometimes when being walked back from pasture turn out on hot days. They both are finished panting when they get to their paddocks with shed, and don't need to walk slowly or show any distress. The last two summers we have had much warmer weather in the Seattle area, with our normal humidity in the 70-80's, the heat index is up. Both of these horses have been/are very fit, and don't pant under saddle, but I wouldn't be worried about them if they did, because of their histories of panting in the moist heat and recovering so well. I think it's an individual style that some of the heavy horses have. Biscuit is a hefty gal, 14.1-1/2 and 1200 lbs. Spaten is a moose: 17.1 and over 1625 lbs. Biscuit grows her winter coat really early, and I see it more in her when she's putting her coat on in the late summer, and she's sweaty just being in the sun. It is interesting to me that both of them don't always go into their sheds for shade, but getting off the grass, which makes us all feel so much more hot and humid compared to the sacrifice paddocks' crushed rock footing, is all they seem to need. Both are also piggies, and probably wouldn't come off the grass if there was a non-grassy portion of the field! And both are usually happy to leave the grass if they are panting a little. It is so interesting to see horses know what they need. I've always wondered about panting since having these two special horses, but because it seems to be their way of individual cooling that works, I haven't worried. :-) Emily The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: OT - Medical Question
This message is from: kelly MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just had a conversation yesterday with my vet about immune boosters. She was telling me about this product called Epic - Here's a little blurb about the product I found on the internet. I'm not sure if it's by prescription only or what, but she was talking very highly of it. Epic is an Egg Protein In Complexes. Epic is produced by vaccinating chickens with 13 specific antigens. The hen puts the specific immunoglobulins (IgYs) and non-specific cofactors into the eggs. Both the whites and yolks of the egg are processed into a very palatable product to be fed in milk, milk replacer, electrolyte solution, or water. The hens are vaccinated for Clostridium perfringens. By feeding the Epic, we are putting the antibodies where they need to be. Epic is formulated with egg proteins, electrolytes, MOS (yeast extract) for binding toxins, Lactobacillus acidophilus and Enterococcus faecium (good probiotics), sodium bicarbonate (buffering agent against acidosis), L-Glutamine (an amino acid for repair of intestinal villi), charcoal (derived from coconut, to absorb toxins), and dextrose as an energy source. Epic is produced by Bioniche, the manufacturers of Immunoboost. An Epic for foals has been in use for awhile with excellent success at controlling scours in new born foals. The foal product is tubed to the foal shortly after birth. Foal Epic does not contain charcoal nor probiotics. There is also a newer "Epic" out - one formulated for adult horses. Just food for thought. Hoping your little guy gets better!! Kelly > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> Subject: OT - Medical Question> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:24:30 +> > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sonnie - our 18 year old Fjord gelding started bleeding after urination about> 6 weeks ago. We had him scoped and had a biopsy done twice - the most> recent results came back as "Hyperplasia" - its located about 75-80cm proximal> to the urethral opening. The bladder appears to be normal.> > We put him on Piroxicam for 30 days. He has been on the Piroxicam for 10> days and is still bleeding after urination. The biopsy results came back > as "Hyperplasia".> > He doesn't seem to be uncomfortable at all - still eats well etc...> > Has anyone else had this type of problem? Anyone use the drug Piroxicam> before? > > Also, what do people use to "boost" their horses immune system?> > Thanks - Nancy in Nottingham, NH> > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at:> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> > _ Are you ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5 ? Get the latest for free today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
OT - Medical Question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sonnie - our 18 year old Fjord gelding started bleeding after urination about 6 weeks ago. We had him scoped and had a biopsy done twice - the most recent results came back as "Hyperplasia" - its located about 75-80cm proximal to the urethral opening. The bladder appears to be normal. We put him on Piroxicam for 30 days. He has been on the Piroxicam for 10 days and is still bleeding after urination. The biopsy results came back as "Hyperplasia". He doesn't seem to be uncomfortable at all - still eats well etc... Has anyone else had this type of problem? Anyone use the drug Piroxicam before? Also, what do people use to "boost" their horses immune system? Thanks - Nancy in Nottingham, NH The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
