Re: Help for my aching QH
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Try "Equine Corta-flex RX 100" Ultimate solution, It not only has glucosamine and chondroitin, but alo Hylauronic acid, Devil's Claw and Yucca so you have both the joint suppliment plus the same stuff that's in BL soslution. It really seems to help 34 year old Bjarne, altho I don't know what it will do for your old horse with the hock problem. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, still waiting for spring. > We have not done joint supplements or other types of > injections (which I sort of dimly understood would > not really help with arthritis in the upper > joint...but I did not look into it a lot because he > is not a performance horse...just our good old guy). > > Recommendations? We do have a vet coming out next > week and could have him looked at further, but I > figured that I should get up to speed before she > comes out. Am willing to buy BL solution, > chondroitin, all that stuff if people think it will help. > > Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Galvinised Livestock Panels
This message is from: Karen McCarthy We used these panels as screens between horse stalls. We set them into the walls above 4' and framed them in about 4.5' x 2.5' Worked great and well worth the extra cost! Livestock panels also make great supports for garden crops like peas, beans and melons etc. I have also made custom trellises for landscape clients out of them. Just spray w/ your favorite color of Rustoleum paint. :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > This message is from: Krissie England Though they do make panels that have 2"x4" openings for horses, but they are way more expensive Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: wire (hog/cattle) panel fences
This message is from: We built a fence that is not hog panels, but same concept - rigid welded wire panel, smaller openings - 4x4" and 60" tall. The posts are pipe, with a welded pipe rail and the panels are welded to the posts and rails. It's extremely sturdy. The fence is five foot tall, which prevents all of my horses from leaning over it, since they cannot reach the ground. It's been up for several years and we have had no injuries to the horses or damage to the fence. It's amazing! Now...if only it were cheaper to build, we'd have it around the rest of the property. We can only do one section at a time, and we do all the labor - dig post holes, set posts, weld, etc. Then we buy pipe here and there a little at a time. I would send pictures of the fence, but I guess this list doesn't accept them. It has held up well to my giant percheron, a draft-cross, two baby horses, and a few walking horses. We'll see how the Fjord affects it when she arrives next week...(I can't wait!!!) Thanks! --kelly. -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Willows Edge Farm Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:40 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #68 This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" Anyone have experience using hog panels for fencing??? Corinne Logan Willows Edge Farm __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3986 (20090403) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Trusts and horses
This message is from: We do not have trusts - but we have in our wills - people that we prefer to have our animals incase. The people mentioned have the means to care for the horses. They also have the love to care for them. Catherine Lassesen fjo...@hughes.net 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon www.Hestehaven.com www.NorwegianBuhund.us Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: I tried to stay quiet...
This message is from: Robin Churchill Right now what we have is someone whom we have asked designated to take any surviving horses and dogs if we were both to die. I have those people designated as second beneficiaries of my two life insurance policies, my husband being the first. I am not sure this is sufficient. Does anyone out there have a trust set up for their animals? robin > > One thing I need to do soon is to make plans for any of my > surviving animals > in my will... > > _ > Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live > with Internet > Explorer 8. > http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 > 5C0701A > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Providing for horses
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com At least for now, my daughters would get enough insurance money for them to take care of the horses. My will leaves the horses to the girls if they want them, and to specific individuals if the girls cannot or will not take them. Of course, even with a trust fund, I am dependent on the good will of the people involved, and they were chosen based on my belief that they would care for my beloved equine friends the same way I would. Kate with Della and Joe In a message dated 4/3/2009 6:36:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, minih...@hotmail.com writes: One thing I need to do soon is to make plans for any of my surviving animals in my will...maybe that's a topic we could cover on this list. My husband wants to "go first" because he says he can't take care of my critters if I "go first"! Just what are our options since at the present, my adult daughters who love & ride horses simply can't afford to board. **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: I tried to stay quiet...
This message is from: Amy Evers the 906 page document done by our own USDA at the Beltex plant in Texas shows 500 photos of the horrors endured by slaughter bound horses here in the US. I too had resolved NOT to include my two cents, but this one really got me. I worked in Animal Control back in the late 80s, and I remember MULTIPLE cases where groups (PETA and SIERRA CLUB are two that I remember) were found to have actually "Manufactured" alleged photo evedence of cruelty for their smear campaigns. Yep! That's right... these groups set up and performed these "cruelties" in order to take pictures and blame it on someone else. So, just don't always believe everything you see coming fro these groups (personally I wouldn't trust the USDA as far as I could throw them either). respectfully, Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Cottage Grove OR 97424 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #68
This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" Anyone have experience using hog panels for fencing??? Be careful of the panels that have about 4 x 4 or larger openings. When I was a Vet Tech we treated two horses that had kicked at another horse and put a foot through the square and really tore up their legs (one we saved, the other was euthanized). Cherie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: hog panels
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah > "Willows Edge Farm" wrote: > > Anyone have experience using hog panels for fencing??? > > Corinne Logan I've not used "hog" panels as such, although I have used a couple types of "cattle" panels (older ones were 4x8" mesh, vs 6x8" mesh on current ones, both 52" tall) and what were called "bull" panels (4x4" mesh, 60" tall). My recollection is that "hog" panels are quite short (under 36"?), which wouldn't be particularly useful for equines. Cattle panels worked OK for containing my donkey when she was alone. I used bull panels (on wooden posts) on the corrals for my Fjords in California, but had problems with them. We were in an area with lots of ticks, and the Fjords soon learned to "sit" on the fence and waggle their butts, to scratch those otherwise unreachable itches, to the point that the fences started to lean. I had to install a line of hot wire at butt-height, to protect the fences. They still managed to rub on one end post enough to break the post, and broke some of the welds holding the bull panels together. I also had one "wreck" with the bull panels. As near as I could figure, the donkey pawed a trench next to the fence, apparently while using her shoulder to push the panel outward (frustrated that someone else was on pasture, and she wasn't). She then must have left her hoof in the trench, but removed her shoulder, allowing the panel to spring back toward her, then tried to remove her hoof from the now-narrower hole. One of the upright rods (which protrude below the bottom horizontal rod) of the panel dug into the hairline of her hoof, making a T-shaped tear in her upper hoof wall when she jerked her hoof out of this "trap". That took a year to grow out, but fortunately left no permanent damage. I had some "temporary" corral fences made with cattle panels on T-posts. The Fjords (probably mostly Sleepy) managed to rub or "walk" on them sufficiently to work many of the wired connections apart. They then walked across the now-down fence, without getting caught in it, and had a fine picnic on spring grass. We reinstalled the fence, with twice as many T-posts, AND an interior hot wire, and had no further problems. As I've said before, Sleepy has taught me a great deal about how NOT to build fences Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- han...@ai.sri.com anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #68
This message is from: Krissie England You mean the 16'x4' really heavy duty welded wire panels? We call them stock panels, but I think they are also called hog panels. We use them for our goats, the only thing that keeps them in around here. We absolutely love them for the goats, they were easy to install and do not "work" like the wire rolls we have used in the past (goats will pick a section of fence and work it continuously for weeks until they manage to flex it enough to get under on their bellies). I don't think I'd use it for horses, though. The openings are big enough I'd be afraid a horse could get a foot through. Though they do make panels that have 2"x4" openings for horses, but they are way more expensive than the standard stock panels because they use so much more metal. HTH! Krissie From: Willows Edge Farm To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 5:40:10 PM Subject: RE: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #68 This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" Anyone have experience using hog panels for fencing??? Corinne Logan Willows Edge Farm __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3986 (20090403) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Plans for animals after death
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" In California it is now possible to leave a trust fund for an animal. Not all states allow it. Before one had to leave the funds to an individual and hope they did not just ditch the animal. I am not certain how well that is working out. The law is fairly new. I know from experience that people go a little crazy after the death of a loved one...and it does not always work out well. Gail One thing I need to do soon is to make plans for any of my surviving animals in my will...maybe that's a topic we could cover on this list. My husband wants to "go first" because he says he can't take care of my critters if I "go first"! Just what are our options since at the present, my adult daughters who love & ride horses simply can't afford to board. It's something to seriously consider Enough said... Sandra & Loki Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
I tried to stay quiet...
This message is from: sandra church Hi-I've tried to stay out of the slaughter discussion but couldn't so here's my 2 cents worth- First, I believe that a slaughtered horse ceases to contribute to our economy whereas a live horse contributes constantly to our economy...all of us know how much it costs for the basics and frills of horse keeping-we keep the vet, farriers, feed & tack stores in business. Second, unfortunately, some horses have always been abused and abandoned (due to irresponsible owners) even when the slaughter plants were plentiful in the US. Their abuse and abandonment just didn't make the headlines until the pro-slaughter folks recently decided that we're over-run by unwanted horses and most of their reports are unsubstantiated. Most states have laws protecting animals but getting the regulations enacted is tough. Third, the last three slaughter plants (all foreign owned with mostly illegal immigrants as employees) had serious pollution issues. Paula Bacon, the mayor of Kaufman, Tx where Dallas Crown operated, fought to get the plant closed. The plant never did pay their fines for polluting the environment-nor did the Cavel plant in Illinois pay their fines for severe pollution damages. (The Natural Valley Farms plant in SK, Canada ceased their horse slaughter back in Feb. because of numerous violations. Their treatment tank failed and they were caught dumping blood in a nearby river.) I don't know how the cattle & hog industries deal with their by-products because they slaughter tens of millions. By the way, I grew up on a dairy farm and eat meat...the traditional meats. Fourth, my theme is that American horses are not bred and born to be butchered. Plenty of websites show the cruelties that slaughter bound horses receive at the low-end auctions and during the torturous tranports, at the feedlots and finally at the slaughter plant. Through the Freedom of Information Act, the 906 page document done by our own USDA at the Beltex plant in Texas shows 500 photos of the horrors endured by slaughter bound horses here in the US. You can view this document on www.kaufmanzoning.net ...warning-it is beyond graphic. How anyone can force such cruelties on horses is simply...mind blowing. Finally, I experienced an attempted horse theft years ago & it was a horrible experience. My walking horse broke away as the thief tried to load her and she jumped back into her field breaking the top board (she wasn't a jumper). She never recovered physically or mentally from that but she lived to be 28 years old. I have 4 horses buried here yet I'm not opposed to rendering or sending a horse to a local hunt club where the ending is much kinder than the trip to the slaughter plant. If plants open in the US, horse thieves will be busy!!! One thing I need to do soon is to make plans for any of my surviving animals in my will...maybe that's a topic we could cover on this list. My husband wants to "go first" because he says he can't take care of my critters if I "go first"! Just what are our options since at the present, my adult daughters who love & ride horses simply can't afford to board. It's something to seriously consider Enough said... Sandra & Loki _ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #68
This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" Anyone have experience using hog panels for fencing??? Corinne Logan Willows Edge Farm __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3986 (20090403) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: horses as food
This message is from: spiek...@isu.edu - Original Message - From: Willows Edge Farm Date: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:15 pm Subject: horses as food To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" > > >When I told my San Francisco friends about this, they were I think we are all several generations removed from being in touch with our food sources, animal or vegetable or for that matter, the interconnectedness of all life on earth, whether instantly applicable to our immediate situation or seemingly far removed. (Do you eat Jello?) And don't think I haven't threatened McCallan Texas at 0 dark thirty in the wind and snow as I am repairing collective mischief by those fine fat ( did you say marbled?) Fjordies. I do raise my own produce and meat and trade locally for what I do not raise, but I live in a rural environment and can do it. My reasons are both for health-I have just retired from a career in which we researched and published on the transfer of dangerous bacteria from cattle to wildlife and humans- and humanity- I cringe at the conditions in factory farms and do not partake of their products if possible. I am lucky ( keep telling myself that anyway as i am watching a new leak in the roof decorate my wood burning stove) and can live a lifestyle in which the horses, dogs, wild animals and plants are the core of my life now but also realize that to feed a burgeoning human population, such abuse does occur and will occur until the humans in power respect the individual lives of those animals and other resources we use for survival. Education may well be the key, but it has to start young. I will get off my soapbox now - oops, I should say modern soap, not the old fashioned kind- water percolated through wood ashes and mixed with animal fat. No offense meant, just light hearted observation. Kathy - Marsh valley Farm in Southern Idaho. I am on the internet trying to avoid going outside in our endless wet winter again. I have 13 mud-monsters that used to be fjords and two solar heated greenhouses and have not seen any sun, or temps out of the 20s and 30s, or dry feet, for too long. getting testy. Saw a flock of snow geese going back south this morning. Maybe they know something. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
'09 Oregon Gold
This message is from: Karen McCarthy I just wanted to get the word out to the west coast Fjord community that the 2009 Oregon Gold show has been postponed - not eliminated, just postponed until 2010. Please pass this on to those w/o internet (is there anyone out there?!) I would also invite anyone who has shown at Oregon Gold, and anyone who has a desire to show in the future, to please contact me and let me know what they think about the show in general, and if you have any specific questions or concerns. I would really like to increase the Fjord participation at this show. It is held at a wonderful facility both in accomodating horses and the arenas, easy to get to, the classes are interesting, and 1/2 of them are driving classes! The show is typically held the 2nd week of May. As I am the sole Fjord representative on the board, I'd like some input so we can make 2010 a great show! :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Trimming your Replies
This message is from: "jerry friz" Gail, it depends on how your incoming mail is set up. And what you are using for mail. [sounds like it was doing it's job] Steve's message came in here fine. I use Windows, and he is in my address box. [ anyone not in my address book goes into my spam box, which is good] Cheers, Jerry Friz, Anderson, Ca. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Emily...need a float tube ?
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com is it your island that is flooding and homes are being evacuated ? Yikes ! Hope you are high and dry today...Lisa in UTAH where we have gone from 68* last week to 8 hours now of cold wet winter wonderland white stuff. " its begining to look alot like Christmas."; ) L ** Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http: %2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Trimming your Replies
This message is from: "jerry friz" Hi Steve, I,, for one would like to thank you for reminding the folks. I don't understand why someone wants to reread the old message over and over. I guess it is a fall out from text messages,[people are only reading the first couple of words, completly missing the point to be made] Another gripe, is people will not sign their names to their message, this would help somewhat in trying to undo the tangled web I just delete the whole batch. It's not only on your list, but, others lists also. Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson, Ca. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Trimming your Replies
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" Steve, your message ended up in my spam filterso maybe it went to others' as well. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Smart, sensitive fjords
This message is from: Heather Baskey Exactly the reason that I find Natural Horsemanship is so perfect for Fjords. Heather --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Robin Churchill wrote: Our Fjords can be very > stoic about some things, which can serve to hide their > sensitivity - and they are extrememly sensitive. __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
horses as food
This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" >When I told my San Francisco friends about this, they were apalled. No one >who is not in the horse world has any idea this is going on. And many of >those, people, despite the fact that they do not own horses, absolutely do >NOT want American horses slaughtered for human consumption. The very idea >hurts and repulses them at the very core of their humanity. I understand vegetarians being appalled by animals being eaten, but quite frankly, if you eat meat, what is the difference between a cow and a horse for human consumption? People around the globe have different tastes. Why do they eat dogs & cats in parts of Asia (and yes, in America too)? It is a food source that they have become accustom to. Mind you, I don't know if I could ever eat horse meat - gosh, I can't even eat our chickens! - but this is not something anyone should be surprised or shocked at. It's just a difference of opinion/taste. Corinne Logan __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3986 (20090403) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Finger Lakes Fjord Horse Show - CHANGE IN DATE!!!
This message is from: momste...@aol.com Hello Fjord Friends! Unfortunately, the Finger Lakes Fjord Horse Show Committee must announce a change in our show dates. Due to some scheduling changes with the Cayuga County Fairgrounds/DIRT Motor we have been pushed to the following weekend, July 25 & 26. This change was just made yesterday and we apologize for any inconvenience this might cause. Luckily, our judge Karen Cabic and our photographer Carien Shippers are still available. So, there is some luck to be had and some optimism! If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to phone Pat McCurdy at 315-729-1760 or email me at _momste...@aol.com_ (mailto:momste...@aol.com) . We hope to see you at the Finger Lakes Fjord Horse Show this year! The Finger Lakes Fjord Horse Show Committee Barb Jones Jean Kelly Nora Lampman Pat McCurdy Tammy Savery-Cole **Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
" schools OUT, for SUMMER "
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com In a message dated 4/3/2009 11:17:13 AM Mountain Daylight Time, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > We are > responsible for the care of all creatures we bring into our lives. > Educate, educate, educate. Don't make it all a secret, and others > will understand and self regulate. > Off my soapbox for now, > Emily > Hi Emily ! Very true words. Im wondering at this point what IDEAS anyone has for me to take to the NFHR on the topic. Other breeds are " out there " quite a bit more with their registrys advertising themselves. I checked out the new AQHA's " Greener Pastures " program briefly, and thought it was a good idea. If you go to the AQHA website and type in " Greener Pastures " in their SEARCH box, you can read a short discription about it. They are just basically acting as a " clearinghouse " for information on people needing to re-home registered stock to their original breeders if everyone is on board with taking back those we breed, then sell. Just an information exchange. I would love some ideas from people regarding education and our Fjords. They snookered me into Chairing the NFHR Education Commitee this year, and besides writing a few articles about the Fjords, I would like more ideas about how we can EDUCATE people about the Fjords, esp. regarding our strict breeding rules and registration benifits. Please write me in private if you want, or give me a call. Lisa ** Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Smart, sensitive fjords
This message is from: Robin Churchill -- On Fri, 4/3/09, Starfire Farm wrote: Our Fjords can be very > stoic about some things, which can serve to hide their > sensitivity - and they are extrememly sensitive. I think this is something that sometimes people don't realize about fjords because they are so stoic. One of mine is extremely sensitive and pretty smart and the other is not as sensitive but extremely smart. I have this mare that has been confined for an injury for a long period of time. We put her out in a very small paddock which she immediately decimimated and made into a sand pile. Pretty soon she was digging a hole at one end of the paddock. At first I thought she was just bored or digging for roots but then my husband figured out that she was digging the hole and putting her front feet in it so she could get her nose down at a level where she could get it under the last line of the electric fence and eat the grass on the other side without getting shocked. I think that is incredibly smart to be able to reason that out. My gelding on the other hand is very sensitive, easily offended and his feelings are hurt easily. I learned a lesson when he stayed with a friend (who happens to be a USDF silver medalist and former trainer who I value as a friend but really don't want to emulate as a rider) for a week and she sat on him a little-not even really riding him and was not supposed to be riding him when I was not there. I have no idea what happened but he started picking up the incorrect lead in the right lead canter especially at A in the arena, something he had never done. It took me the longest time to correct that and just required a lot of patience. I can tell you that he thought that that picking up the counter-canter at A was what he was supposed to do, I just don't know why. I knew that if I made a big deal out of it or became frustrated, it would just get worse. One problem with it was that he happens to be a fjord who is balanced in the canter and at first when he would pick up the incorrect lead, it would take me awhile to figure it out. Anyway, I finally got the problem solved, I don't really know but it was with patience and positive training. Robin - > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Another pfishing/scam email?
This message is from: syversonsfjordl...@yahoo.com Yes and the Department of Corrections is working on itthey are not sure orginal orgin that is why I am using my phone --Original Message-- From: Syverson Sender: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com ReplyTo: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Another pfishing/scam email? Sent: Apr 3, 2009 9:44 AM This message is from: syversonsfjordl...@yahoo.com Yes please do as it was sent to me on my work computer I was not able to delete it and it went out on my emails Department of Corrections server is having issues as this is infecting our system and all of us have gotten it. Linda --Original Message-- From: margaret maclellan Sender: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com To: fjord horse digest ReplyTo: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Another pfishing/scam email? Sent: Apr 3, 2009 8:47 AM This message is from: margaret maclellan I got an email from another Fjord list person, and it was something about a quiz? I deleted it pretty quickly, but, is this another one of those toxic emails?| Maggie M Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Aggressive Horses/Behavioral Conference in Texas
This message is from: Starfire Farm plumg...@pon.net wrote: ONe of the downsides of the clicker is that the horses are so enthusiastic and excited about the control it gives them that they can get a little exuberant. I came across this problem when I used a reward based system to teach Obie to bow. Once he figured it out, all he could think of was how to get that carrot! He still thinks about getting a carrot, even though I have not rewarded him with one for over a year. I would love to play with this system, if it didn't take so much time. Maybe I'll do it when I'm too feeble to get on a horses's back. The clicker requires a good eye and good reactions clicking with tongue or clicker. This is also VERY true with "normal" or "ordinary" styles of training, yet is often missed. The ability to be able to recognize and reward what the horse is offering, in order to shape a behavior, is the key to elevating training to art. Ordinary horsemanship requires physical skills with rope handling and body movement. Those skills help with clicker training, but they are not as essential. Yes, depending upon what you are trying to help the horse to learn (or unlearn!) but this next statement is the KEY to really successful training, ordinary or otherwise: All you really have to do is learn to break the behavior down into tiny steps and then learn to carefully observe what is happening. I often tell people who are working with their Fjords in "natural horsemanship" (or other disciplines, for that matter) that they have to take the steps that they have learned to use with other breeds and break them down into even smaller steps to be successful with their fjords. This is true for other breeds as well. If you really study the works of the classical masters, they also rewarded "baby" steps in teaching their horses. In order for the work to enter into the realm of art, the horses had to be happy and confident in their exercises and their work. If it was forced, it showed in the horses' performance and was not beautiful to behold. The correction based training does work, after a fashion, but there are horses that do not adapt well to it, and it does not produce as clear an understanding nor the same enthusiasm. I had a horse that had problems cantering. He was afraid to canter. I suspect, especially after reading your description of the confused dog in the clicker video, that your horse may have received conflicting "reward and punishment" messages during his initial handling in the canter. Our Fjords can be very stoic about some things, which can serve to hide their sensitivity - and they are extrememly sensitive. Not everyone who is teaching a horse to canter -on command- (I say that because they already know how to canter on their own) can recognize the initial thoughts -or "try"- and reward simply for that. They end up trying to push the horse into what the human recognizes as the desired response and, in the horse's eyes, have inadvertently punished the horse while attempting to achieve that response. Therefore, the horse becomes confused and sometimes frightened about performing a specific task. Correction based training does work, and it can work faster than the clicker for some things, but it has downsides, as was evident in the video I saw. A mix of both can work well with many horses. One way to try out the clicker would be to take a Chicken Training class. They are also prey animals, so that dispenses with that "objection" to clicker training...as in...unlike with dogs which are predators, it will not work with horses, which are prey animals. I recall reading an account of a young college student who was accustomed to, and successful at, training horses being humbled by learning how to train a chicken during one of her behavioral psychology classes. She had thought it was going to be a piece of cakenot so! She learned a LOT about pressure, recognizing it, releasing it and rewarding desired behavior. You really can't force a chicken! I do remember messing with training my aquarium fish when I was a kid. (didn't have access to horses at that time) guess it was just in my genes Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Another pfishing/scam email?
This message is from: syversonsfjordl...@yahoo.com Yes please do as it was sent to me on my work computer I was not able to delete it and it went out on my emails Department of Corrections server is having issues as this is infecting our system and all of us have gotten it. Linda --Original Message-- From: margaret maclellan Sender: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com To: fjord horse digest ReplyTo: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Another pfishing/scam email? Sent: Apr 3, 2009 8:47 AM This message is from: margaret maclellan I got an email from another Fjord list person, and it was something about a quiz? I deleted it pretty quickly, but, is this another one of those toxic emails?| Maggie M Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Another pfishing/scam email?
This message is from: margaret maclellan I got an email from another Fjord list person, and it was something about a quiz? I deleted it pretty quickly, but, is this another one of those toxic emails?| Maggie M Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Carrots, onion, bay leaf ,S+P
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com I can see that being true for some of the more fit ponies coming out of the Pedfjords, or Starfire or any of you who actually work your horses. I am afraid that my beauties have enough marbling to make people eye them hungrily in times of need Kate with Della and Joe (who are not speaking to me over this entire line of discussion) ** In a message dated 4/2/2009 4:00:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pedfjo...@aol.com writes: Rumor has it that the Fjords survived THAT soup pot, due to their " tough " chew factor. **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
