RE: Ynde
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Sarah wrote: "Trainer insensitivity is not limited to fjords." Amen to that! Beware of whose hands handle your horse. One major aspect that i cherish about this breed: it is their intelligence and sensitivity in such a cute package. I really find the breed very subtle, and yes, i can see how they could piss the living h### out of a "30 day wonder" trainer. Right now I am experiencing firsthand the joy of working with a young 4 year old, my Obelisk x Alycia filly, Opaline (Opie). This girl loves human attention & really does try so hard I totally have to back off from asking too much of her at once, because he will try but get flustered and worried, but not fussy and pissy. I do notice she actually sweats (or what racehorse folks call 'washing out') if I ask too much of her at the front end, before she is really ready & confirmed. Due to that I have really been conscious of going at just above her "speed'so things don't get dull, and it's really working out well. (Believe me I have seen what happens when horses are pushed too hard/too soon, and it ain't pretty, nor heaps of fun to fix). Tomorrow and over the next few days we're trailering over to a new local arena (w/ a barn buddy of course, Imilie) so this will be good for her. There will even be people driving there on Saturday, whilst we noodle around ground driving amongst them. She has been trailered about 3 times to trail ride & ride down at the fairgrounds and it has always been a positive thing, but now we are entering the realm of: "we're here to focus and work". All good,and all in good time :~)) :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941
RE: training for Ynde
This message is from: Debbie LeBreton Hi; I wish I could tell you that there are safe place out there but I have had the same experience as you and spent thousands of dollars in stables and training and finally I have brought my horse home and do my own type of training. Just to let you know it took me a year to make him feel safe again. Today, when I got home, I had a someone doing body work on him but when he seen me coming towards him, he whinned and tried to come to me, so making a long sad story for my precious horse into a short happy story is nobody can take care of our own horses(mules) better than we can our own self. Please take care and trust your inner self. Debbie, BC, Canada > From: miss.am...@earthlink.net > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: training for Ynde > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:36:56 -0600 > > This message is from: "Debby" > > > I appreciate the support. Id worked hard I thought, to find someone that > worked with horses individually. Id not thought of mules and I dont > think Id have a mule trainer close to me that does more than heavy harness. > Id found a swedish dressage trainer, was told he was classical. Visited > with the barn owner for over a year and at first she was very excited about > him. I also visited with a few of his students who were happy with him. Went > to a show he was riding in and coaching his students. Unbeknownst to me, he > is close to 70, and TALL. Long legs. He was riding a pretty hot lusitano in > warm up and handled him great, never abusive. Then did his class and won. Is > a students horse. She rode the horse later and did well also. > I did talk to him about him riding Ynde, and he thought it not be a problem, > but wed also talked in length about long lining, getting Ynde strong in > her backend, and also balanced. His students mentioned hed hosted a clinic > in long lining at their barn. > Well, even though Id visited with the barn owner before bringing Ynde, she > did not tell me theyd had a falling out. She and her trainer at her barn > do not speak unless it is necessary. Talk about DRAMA! > But he is popular with at least half of her boarders and until she finds the > perfect one to replace him, she just avoids him when he is there. Rides with > her friends when hes not. Its a wonderful facility. > But he did push Ynde too fast, too much too soon. I gave them no time limits, > in fact we wanted her there through the winter as they have the nice indoor > facility and wanting to still sell my place, I felt this was good timing. We > would go visit once a week, its 3hrs. away. The caretakers are good. The > owners way of riding is more along my idea of training. > I wish I had a coach around. Rural Texas is hard. Ive not any plans on > sending her off again and not being able to be there daily. The trainer ended > up not riding her, had one of his students ride her. Hed ride another > horse and work with others while supposedly giving her a lesson with Ynde. He > tries to get as much done in as little time as possible. Im sure its > uncomfortable somewhat for him too, with the friction between he and the > owner, but still, I was paying for four 45 minutes private lessons and it was > clear to me that was not what I was getting. > After showing up and finding her tail and backend slathered with poop, and her > anxious and stressed, this last Friday, we talked to the owner, they had a vet > come out and check on her, give her some meds, said no riding until it clears > up, which it did after 3 days. We brought her home the Monday. Now she is > still a little bit unsettled, confused, but ok. Maybe shes worried shes > just home for a vacation. But her poop is normal and cleared up. > Id hoped Id found the right place, the safe place. Do they even > exist?? > Debby in Tx > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941
Re: training for Ynde
This message is from: Robin Churchill I think it is hard to find a good trainer particularly in certain areas. In our area, there is no one that I let really ride my horses except a girl who just exercises them for me at times. I do take lessons but then I am in control of what happens and if I think it is something inappropriate, I just won't do it. When I have them trained, I ship them 4 hours away to a trainer in Ocala who understands that not all horses are the same and doesn't drill them. She understands that not every horse responds to the same approach and what works with one may not with another. I agree with what Beth said about the stoic but sensitive nature of fjords which is something many trainers do not understand. I would look for someone who is fair, even-tempered, calm and confident. Good luck. Robin From: Debby To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:36 PM Subject: training for Ynde This message is from: "Debby" I appreciate the support. Iâd worked hard I thought, to find someone that worked with horses individually. Iâd not thought of mules and I donât think Iâd have a mule trainer close to me that does more than heavy harness. Iâd found a swedish dressage trainer, was told he was classical. Visited with the barn owner for over a year and at first she was very excited about him. I also visited with a few of his students who were happy with him. Went to a show he was riding in and coaching his students. Unbeknownst to me, he is close to 70, and TALL. Long legs. He was riding a pretty hot lusitano in warm up and handled him great, never abusive. Then did his class and won. Is a students horse. She rode the horse later and did well also. I did talk to him about him riding Ynde, and he thought it not be a problem, but weâd also talked in length about long lining, getting Ynde strong in her backend, and also balanced. His students mentioned heâd hosted a clinic in long lining at their barn. Well, even though Iâd visited with the barn owner before bringing Ynde, she did not tell me theyâd had a falling out. She and her trainer at her barn do not speak unless it is necessary. Talk about DRAMA! But he is popular with at least half of her boarders and until she finds the perfect one to replace him, she just avoids him when he is there. Rides with her friends when heâs not. Itâs a wonderful facility. But he did push Ynde too fast, too much too soon. I gave them no time limits, in fact we wanted her there through the winter as they have the nice indoor facility and wanting to still sell my place, I felt this was good timing. We would go visit once a week, its 3hrs. away. The caretakers are good. The owners way of riding is more along my idea of training. I wish I had a coach around. Rural Texas is hard. Iâve not any plans on sending her off again and not being able to be there daily. The trainer ended up not riding her, had one of his students ride her. Heâd ride another horse and work with others while supposedly giving her a lesson with Ynde. He tries to get as much done in as little time as possible. Iâm sure its uncomfortable somewhat for him too, with the friction between he and the owner, but still, I was paying for four 45 minutes private lessons and it was clear to me that was not what I was getting. After showing up and finding her tail and backend slathered with poop, and her anxious and stressed, this last Friday, we talked to the owner, they had a vet come out and check on her, give her some meds, said no riding until it clears up, which it did after 3 days. We brought her home the Monday. Now she is still a little bit unsettled, confused, but ok. Maybe sheâs worried sheâs just home for a vacation. But her poop is normal and cleared up. Iâd hoped Iâd found the right place, the safe place. Do they even exist?? Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941
Re: training for Ynde
This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" Debby, You'll will have to look carefully. There is someone on the list, Bridig Wasson, from California who has Fjords and mules and understands the needs of both. She was recently featured in an article in Mules and More magazine. There are some good mule trainers in Arizona, and probably in Texas too. If you would like more information, contact me off the list. Mary Ofjord Proud owner of six Fjords and one mule!! - Original Message - From: "Debby" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: training for Ynde This message is from: "Debby" I appreciate the support. Iâ?Td worked hard I thought, to find someone that worked with horses individually. Iâ?Td not thought of mules and I donâ?Tt think Iâ?Td have a mule trainer close to me that does more than heavy harness. Iâ?Td found a swedish dressage trainer, was told he was classical. Visited with the barn owner for over a year and at first she was very excited about him. I also visited with a few of his students who were happy with him. Went to a show he was riding in and coaching his students. Unbeknownst to me, he is close to 70, and TALL. Long legs. He was riding a pretty hot lusitano in warm up and handled him great, never abusive. Then did his class and won. Is a students horse. She rode the horse later and did well also. I did talk to him about him riding Ynde, and he thought it not be a problem, but weâ?Td also talked in length about long lining, getting Ynde strong in her backend, and also balanced. His students mentioned heâ?Td hosted a clinic in long lining at their barn. Well, even though Iâ?Td visited with the barn owner before bringing Ynde, she did not tell me theyâ?Td had a falling out. She and her trainer at her barn do not speak unless it is necessary. Talk about DRAMA! But he is popular with at least half of her boarders and until she finds the perfect one to replace him, she just avoids him when he is there. Rides with her friends when heâ?Ts not. Itâ?Ts a wonderful facility. But he did push Ynde too fast, too much too soon. I gave them no time limits, in fact we wanted her there through the winter as they have the nice indoor facility and wanting to still sell my place, I felt this was good timing. We would go visit once a week, its 3hrs. away. The caretakers are good. The owners way of riding is more along my idea of training. I wish I had a coach around. Rural Texas is hard. Iâ?Tve not any plans on sending her off again and not being able to be there daily. The trainer ended up not riding her, had one of his students ride her. Heâ?Td ride another horse and work with others while supposedly giving her a lesson with Ynde. He tries to get as much done in as little time as possible. Iâ?Tm sure its uncomfortable somewhat for him too, with the friction between he and the owner, but still, I was paying for four 45 minutes private lessons and it was clear to me that was not what I was getting. After showing up and finding her tail and backend slathered with poop, and her anxious and stressed, this last Friday, we talked to the owner, they had a vet come out and check on her, give her some meds, said no riding until it clears up, which it did after 3 days. We brought her home the Monday. Now she is still a little bit unsettled, confused, but ok. Maybe sheâ?Ts worried sheâ?Ts just home for a vacation. But her poop is normal and cleared up. Iâ?Td hoped Iâ?Td found the right place, the safe place. Do they even exist?? Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941 __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6673 (2030) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6673 (2030) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941
Re: quiet on the list
This message is from: Starfire Farm Hi Debby, I agree with Kim, she is "right on" about the stoic but sensitive nature of Fjords and Friesians, as well as some drafts and draft crosses I have worked with. Because of their stoicism, they can be highly misunderstood...especially by trainers who have the expectations of "must do" types of disciplines like dressage and reining. I had someone come to me with a Thoroughbred, complaining that she couldn't get along with her horse and that it would blow up with her. When she showed up, he was the kindest, sweetest horse that tried his heart out for her. She, however, was an uptight, driving kind of rider (uptight by nature with learned/taught "driving.") I learned later that her horse had ulcers! No wonder. She is an "accomplished" dressage rider, but when I put her on /my /solid horses.../they/ started blowing up! Her energy was /so/ strong... she didn't have a "dimmer switch" (as I like to call it). It took three tries to find the horse that could handle her energy while I worked with her on turning down the volume, so to speak. That doesn't mean that you can't ask a Fjord to perform for you...you just have to do it the right way...with their self preservation in mind. > I think a lot of us have; Fjords (like Friesians which I also own) > seem stoic, but can be sensitive and do best with trainers that make a > personal connection with the horse > Find a trainer that loves and appreciates your girl and makes friends > with her first. Trust your instincts rather than just giving in to a > trainer everyone says is great. What is great for one horse may not be > for yours. Good luck with your trainer search. Beth -- Beth Beymer and Sandy North Starfire Farm, LLC www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941
Re: Ynde
This message is from: Sarah Clarke Trainer insensitivity is not limited to fjords. Clearly Ynde is giving you a message. Have you considered getting a "coach" instead of a trainer? What I mean is somebody who observes you working with the horse and then helps you improve her performance. thus you both learn. I train all my own horses but even after riding for 40 years, I still have a coach who helps me from time to time. She helps me curb my tendency to bull through issues by doing it wrong over and over and instead she always says "I have an exercise that will help you with that." I think the other problem with trainers is they have a "get it done in 90 days" mentality - which is what many owners want. --- On Wed, 11/30/11, Cynthia Madden wrote: trainers do not listen to what Fjord owners tell them about their horse's diet, personality and training needs. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941
Re: Ynde
This message is from: Cynthia Madden Hi Debby Unfortunately I have seen (especially in quarter horse country) that trainers do not listen to what Fjord owners tell them about their horse's diet, personality and training needs. They just don't get it. I would look for a mule trainer because Fjords are as smart and self-protective as mules and need to learn by persuasion and patience. Quarter horse trainers and those of other breeds are working with animals that are not as smart as the trainer and can be pushed around. I had a local Arab trainer want to help me with Teddy and I wouldn't consider it as I had seen how she trained and she had offered to work with Tank telling me she could straighten him out in a week! I took Teddy (Starfire Chiron) back to Starfire Farm and had wonderful results from Beth's training methods. Unfortunately that is a little far for you. Again, I might try to talk with someone who trains mules. -- Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM cynt...@carriagehorse.com No philosophers so thoroughly comprehend us as dogs and horses. ~Herman Melville, Redburn. His First Voyage, 1849 *() ()* *~/ ( o o)* * ~/\\* *~/ (,,)* Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941
Re: quiet on the list
This message is from: "kngould" I think a lot of us have; Fjords (like Friesians which I also own) seem stoic, but can be sensitive and do best with trainers that make a personal connection with the horse. Fjords seem to learn faster and try harder with a trainer they want to please, who is sensitive to their "emotions". My Asti, dumped a dressage trainer who jumped on him during a clinic at my barn (without even saying hello) and when she got back on he was terribly resistant. Two weeks later I got a local trainer who spent the first day with him just handling him on the ground, and telling him what a good boy he was. The next day she put him under saddle and he could not do enough for her, and looked forward to each "visit". She said he was "lovely" to work with. Find a trainer that loves and appreciates your girl and makes friends with her first. Trust your instincts rather than just giving in to a trainer everyone says is great. What is great for one horse may not be for yours. JMHO, Kim (and Asti, who is light, forward, and happy). -Original Message- From: Debby Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:52 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: quiet on the list This message is from: "Debby" Its been fairly quiet on the list and I have a questions. I’ve had my Ynde with two different trainers over the last few years, the last one for 7 weeks. She ended up with tummy issues, cow manure, very obviously uncomfortable and stressed. The first trainer, she’d ended up with an ulcer and had to go on meds. The vet here had me start her on gastrogard. I’d talked to my reg. vet and he felt she “internalized†and stressed from training. Both were not ideal trainers for me, in that I wasn’t happy with the roughness and pushing too hard too fast, even having discussions with them and clearly telling them what I wanted and clearly stating no rush. Basically at this point I just wanted good gaits, walk/trot/canter, good transitions and forward from light aids. Very basic but the most important. Wondered if any have gone through this before or is this just my Ynde? thanks. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941
Re: quiet on the list
This message is from: Linda Baker Lottie StressJMHO Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2011, at 7:52 AM, "Debby" wrote: > This message is from: "Debby" > > > Its been fairly quiet on the list and I have a questions. I’ve had my Ynde > with two different trainers over the last few years, the last one for 7 weeks. > She ended up with tummy issues, cow manure, very obviously uncomfortable and > stressed. The first trainer, she’d ended up with an ulcer and had to go on > meds. The vet here had me start her on gastrogard. I’d talked to my reg. > vet and he felt she “internalized” and stressed from training. > Both were not ideal trainers for me, in that I wasn’t happy with the > roughness and pushing too hard too fast, even having discussions with them and > clearly telling them what I wanted and clearly stating no rush. Basically at > this point I just wanted good gaits, walk/trot/canter, good transitions and > forward from light aids. Very basic but the most important. > Wondered if any have gone through this before or is this just my Ynde? > thanks. > Debby in Tx > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky941
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