Re: What would you do?
This message is from: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com Rosemary I understand and would be po'd too, First thing I would do is put up some temporary fencing if you can so that they are not sharing the same fence line. Keep them a good ten or more feet apart until you are sure the sick horses on the other side are better. I am so sorry that your horses are sick now and I am sending good vibes their way. Next, you might want to talk to the new neighbors. Maybe they rescued the horses and thats why they look so bad? I could only hope they are on their way to healing and not needing rescue from the new neighbors. Just be careful when you talk to them. I always worry about people taking things out on the horses Kim in MD hoping that Rosemary's mare gets better soon. From: Rose or Murph roseormu...@ywave.com To: fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:09 AM Subject: What would you do? Sorry for my long winded explanation. What would you do? I am wondering if I should say anything to these people about infecting my horses? I am so p off right now. Rosemary in Roy wa waiting for my beautiful mare to get better. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
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This message is from: Elizabeth Maeve Ross-McKee sagegar...@hotmail.com Rosemary, I hope you do more than SAY something to them! In most states what you have described is not only actionable, it can be criminal animal abuse. YOul have to check with local authorities and in any case the neighbor and or the agency that rented themthe property could be liabe. Disease like that... might end up in the ground water or the spoil. many infections do. Parvo for dpgs so I'd take action on this. I'd start with calling the Washington State Vet/Livestock in Olympia and find out what the law is on horses carrying contagions. Then I would call MY vet and have all documention including a nasal swab and culture on both my horses. If the state vet does not move on this, the sherriff in your county should be called and or health department. Not just for the animals but also for the manure situation in the paddocks a that can be determined a health hazard. Have picture of your horses, new ones , ones showing green swamp goo nasal discharge , good close up pics as well as same frame at regulr distnces. Snap shots are worse than useless as you're documenting evidence their horses, muddy, sneezing, close ups of faces and noses, feet. pics of their paddock, the shared fence line, their horsess eating over your fence or next to it. and any other evidence the attorney you're going to hire tells you to gather. don't dawddle on teh swab/cultures for your guys OR convincing sherriff to run tests on those sick ones. you can force them to take your complaint. adn going through health care channels can often bypass local cop shop. laws in states vary, evidence collection does not :) so get started.. well ya did ask what I would do :) and that's it! Id imagine you'll end up in small claims court and i don't know if WA allows attoney's in SCC or not. I lived n ID for years and ID said NO to attorneys in SCC, not sure about MT. no clue about WA ;) even if one cannot accompany or represent you, paying to have help combinging the evedence is a good idea , especially somone who knows the local laws! oh if you use riding for physical r mental therapy the loss of riding may have a monetary value. Repeat after me PUNITIVE DAMAGES. legal punishment via the pocket book. and someone has to teach them a lesson. It would be my goal that htey loose thier horses, perhaps forever. they were sick, no one took care of them . that is neglect. then they spread the disease to other horses they did not know nor did they CARE. so I am not being the harda** ya think I might be! I lost my halfinger as a riding horse thanks to neighbor brats and the cops would not even cite her for criminal tresspass. so I have no tolerance for anyone being a 'bad neighbor'. happy horse and i hope ALL Of them get well SoON! Liz Windy West Central MOntana 18Fand nasty wind blowing up to mid calfin mud, moving horses to temporary quarters tomorrow till this is mucked out, new soil down adn all the poo removed. ewewwe spring mucking season Blah! Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:09:46 -0700 From: Rose or Murph roseormu...@ywave.com Subject: What would you do? These new nasties already have 11 horses on 4acres, are not cleaning the paddocks so the manure is several inches deep. The horses are all unkept looking, very dirty, mud stockings (we don't have mud as the properties are very rocky here)' which leads me to believe they came from bad conditions. Their weight is good. Sorry for my long winded explanation. What would you do? I am wondering if I should say anything to these people about infecting my horses? I am so p off right now. Rosemary in Roy wa waiting for my beautiful mare to get better. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: What would you do?
This message is from: Mary Ofjord ma...@boreal.org If you can, set up another fence line about 6-8 feet away from the current shared fence line. That way they can't share diseases, and won't fight over the fence. If you can gently try and educate these folks about horse sanitation and animal welfare. If it gets too bad, do you have a humane society around? Good luck. Subject: What would you do? This message is from: Rose or Murph roseormu...@ywave.com I have been having problems with neighbors. One set left their place, going in to foreclosure. The very same day the people moved out, in moved the tenants, bringing with them sick horses. My back field shares a fence line, they put the sick horses out there. My beautiful fjord mare shares the fence line. I noticed two days after the new horses arrived I heard one of the horses coughing badly and pinpointed it to a chestnut I had seen them turn out in the back field. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6983 (20120320) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: What would you do?
This message is from: Curtis cepi...@yahoo.com Rosemary, You have good reason to be upset! The advice given so far seems to cover most of the options. I recommend just putting up a temporary fence to keep your horses away from your neighbor's property. I doubt that talking to them will change the situation. My guess is that they have been moved from other property in the recent past. Calling the Sheriff or Animal Control are usually ineffective in the short term and may cause you problems in the long term. Actually, if the Sheriff or Animal Control were an effective option, your vet should have recommended that approach. You may want to talk to the vet again specifically to see what they recommend. The fact the they moved in the same day the other occupant moved out is unusual. The bank should be interested to know that the property is being harmed. So, if you can find out which bank holds the mortgage, talking to them may help the situation. Wish you luck!! Curt Pierce Mathias, WV http://www.deepcreekfarm.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: What would you do?
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Curtis wrote: So, if you can find out which bank holds the mortgage...Gosh golly, that is a whole can of worms in itself! You mean which sercicer services the mortgage ;)We have been fighting a bank for 2.5 over this main issue and still have not found out who owns our farm's mortgage...and if you think the bank cares, please save yourself the energy. I would approach the county to find out about zoning first, and if by chance there is a animal density law, then go track down the bank, via the county, to hit 'em with a code violation. But seriously, getting back to the real topic (sorry I couldn't resist a comment on the above as some of you out there will understand), I agree with the hotwire idea to create a safe 10' distance from the shared fenceline.I assume Rosemary that you live in a semi rural county, and if it is anything like ours, good luck w/ animal control. Any issue w/ large animals is tasked to the sherriffs office and after 3 years I finally have a contact there who gets it when it comes to animal abuse, but she is the 'Lone Ranger' literally.I know you are upset about the $$ and the illness this has caused your horses, but I think a tactful,less emotional, friendly, yes neighborly approach is warranted at first. You know, bring over a pie and introduce yourselvesGood Luck! Karen in bone chilling, window rattling central Oregon - Brrrskie! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: What would you do?
This message is from: Jo Wilgus rjrfj...@verizon.net Subject: What would you do? Dang it. that really sucks, you may feel my post sucks too. sorry, my opinion only. i would put up electric fencing, several feet from the property line. Always make sure your animals are up to date on all vaccines etc., all the stuff responsible pet/horse owners do. i would NOT say anything to them. know they are this way, that they do not care for their animals as you do. talking to them will most likely solve nothing but upset them which will result in you being more upset. only person you can work on is you, they are what they are. asking for $$$? would not even try it, sounds like this act would only waste your time and breathe. be neighborly say hi. leave it at that. when you are able to ride again and your babies have recovered fully, you can smile inside and be proud that you handled the situation with grace and dignity. .p.s. i will say when i hear stories such as this, i make an extra effort to tell my neighbors how grateful i am to have outstanding neighbors. jo wilgus gavilan hills, ca pretty day today, but i am too sick to ride. next week yay! I have been having problems with neighbors. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
what would you do
This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net I'd definetly put a fence up to keep my horses from contact with the neighbors horses. I'd put an electric fence/tape, on top, to keep the neighbors horse off of the fence. In fact, that could be the lead to conversation with the neighbor, about putting up an electric fence. I'd also, in a friendly manner as much as one can muster up, ask about the horses they have. Mention about the sickness, show them the paperwork from the vet to show what illness their horses had gotten from the new neighbors horses. I say that as it seems to me that the neighbors horses need some medical attention. Also, the original post, I believe, mentioned the horses small paddock was not being mucked, the horses were standing in poop, and I foresee that it will probably get worse. Not sure where the original poster is located, but looks we'll have an early spring, hot summer, and the flies will be bad. Also not good for these horses feet and health, biting flies. So it becomes not only a health issue for the original poster, but also a health issue for the new neighbors horses. I'd be pissed my horses were sick, but I'd also be concerned about the neighbors horses. If the neighbor is not friendly, and its possible they've no knowledge and hopefully they will be open to information, but, if not. I'd call the humane society, take some pictures. I have found in my neighborhood, horses are out like cows, but in big acreage. But I have seen very thin horses and called the sheriffs dept and have gotten little help. But there are several humane org. that will visit, usually first by driving by, and then if they have concerns, they will contact the sheriff and pay a visit to see what issues there are with the horses, and explain how to take care of the horses and do follow ups. If the horses are in unsafe conditions, they can remove them, and if the horses are not in better conditions at the follow ups, they can be removed. I'd not have a problem calling the humane society about any kind of animal, whether next door or down the street or miles away. The concern should always be about the animal who cannot speak for himself. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
