Re: invaluable Fjord List
This message is from: Frederick Pack <friendlyfred2...@gmail.com> Archives will remain... Hooray!!! Thank you Steve.. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Link
This message is from: Frederick Pack <friendlyfred2...@gmail.com> Why don't you publish the facebook link to them right here? On Dec 22, 2015 22:12, "Don Brown" <eveleig...@shaw.ca> wrote: > This message is from: Don Brown <eveleig...@shaw.ca> > > > I follow the group Norwegian Fjord Horse on facebook. great pics from > all over. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Demise of the list
This message is from: Frederick Pack <friendlyfred2...@gmail.com> Steve, if it a matter of finances, I would donate towards the continuation of your list. What is the cost involved? Or, are you just burned out? How can I (we) help? Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
List
This message is from: Frederick Pack <friendlyfred2...@gmail.com> Dear ALL, As Steve mentioned, my list will continue. My only expense is time...which is not much right now with inactivity. It will remain available as long as I am physically still here. For those that may wish an alternate resource: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FjordIssues/info. All new members are moderated for a while till the show they know how to edit a replied to message without just hitting reply and start writing. If you join, please read the rules that will be sent. They are inflexible. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Farewell /alternative
This message is from: Frederick Pack <friendlyfred2...@gmail.com> Gail, any helpful input will be more than welcome. General horsecare applies to all breeds. My list accepts files as well as general messages. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
For Facebookers
This message is from: Frederick Pack <friendlyfred2...@gmail.com> The NFHR has a nice page at https:/www.facebook.com/Norwegian-Fjord-Horse-Registry-180686064146/ Merry Christmas, Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Farewell
This message is from: Frederick Pack <friendlyfred2...@gmail.com> With great thanks. Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Incredible LORENZO
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Re: Fjord Guardian Angels
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com I hope they nail the SOB. So VERY glad you were not hurt. You had an angel on YOUR shoulder, and angels under harness. How are the horses? Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2015 #54
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Genetic study of North American Fjords.
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com This link will download a PDF of the study. Ruth Bushnell found this and asked my help posting. http://www.fao.org/3/a-ba0128t.pdf#page=53 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Ranec 1988-2014
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Words won't help right now. Just know that a lot of people are hurting alongside you in spirit. Next time you hear thunder, with no clouds in sight, it will be your boy racing around the rainbow bridge. He will be waiting for you when God calls you home. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: RIP Gustav
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com So darn sorry! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Testing!
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Amy. Your messages are ending up in my spam folder Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Driven Dressage
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Anvil's Rafael 1993-2014
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Dear Brigid, No words are going to help right now. Just know that we horse owners have you in our prayers. Next time you hear distant thunder, it is not a storm but thundering hooves in heaven. You, must heal now.your duty is to the living... I see a Fjord in your future... -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
non horse...eBay has been hacked
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com eBay's morning just went from bad to worse. The e-commerce site confirmed Wednesday that its corporate network was hacked and a database with users' passwords was compromised. While eBay says there is no evidence that users' financial information was accessed in the hack, the company is telling all users to change their passwords. eBay contacted CNET after this story was initially published, saying it discovered recently that it was a victim of a cyber attack on our corporate information network, which compromised a database containing eBay user passwords. The company's spokesperson told CNET there is no evidence that any financial information was accessed or compromised. The statement follows an odd stream of events this morning when eBay-owned PayPal posted a blog entitled eBay, Inc. to Ask All eBay users to Change Passwords. The blog post included nothing but the title, but quickly hit the Web after it was retweeted dozens of times. The blog post was then taken downhttps://www.paypal-community.com/t5/PayPal-Forward/eBay-Inc-To-Ask-All-eBay-Users-To-Change-Passwords from PayPal's site, causing even more confusion for users of the online auction house. eBay has since posted information about the hackhttps://blog.ebay.com/ebay-inc-ask-ebay-users-change-passwords/ on its official blog. The company will ask all users to change their passwords starting later on Wednesday. source: http://www.cnet.com/news/ebay-hacked-requests-all-users-change-passwords/?tag=nl.e404s_cid=e404ttag=e404ftag=CAD1acfa04 Be safe out there.. Fred -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Gentle Giants and the Rose Parade Fjords
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com A reminder that RFD TV is going to air a segment about Fjords and the Rose Parade today. Directv is channel 345. Check your provider for channel. PDT 2:00 P.M. MDT 3:00 P.M. CDT 4:00 P.M. EDT 5:00. P.M. Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RFD edited Fjord related portion of Rose Parade interview
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Gentle Giants: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnsourizL38feature=youtu.be -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: More fjordies on TV
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com First show is at 2pm PDT Sunday according to the RFD sched. Be aware that with daylight savings time coming, this may change. I can't wait. Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjords in the Rose Parade
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com GO to: http://www.nfhr.com/catalog/index.php?RPdonation= To make a donation Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Millions of Yahoo passwords have been stolen
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com I just heard on Fox TV, then corroborated on web security sources that MILLIONS of Yahoo passwords have been stolen. Change your Yahoo password immediately. If you have used that same old password on other sites (banks etc) go to those sites and change your passwords. This is NOT an idle warning...but VERY REAL. Sorry this is not Fjord related, but I am trying to get the word out before anyone here gets damaged. -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Millions of Yahoo passwords have been stolen ..(well sort of)
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com I think I will believe the security companies that said that Yahoo admitted that not everyone had been notified. Yahoo told THEM that everyone should change their passwords and that Yahoo had a lot more work to do on the problem. Sophos Norton AVG McAfee Sorry but I did check before posting. I believe these people more than CNN STAY SAFE Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Kim Manzoni's horses
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com We ALL need help sometimes. Kim and David have incurred great expense to save their two horses. Even though they can ill afford it, they honored their commitment to their horsesAND SAVED THEM. I ask you to help them out. One way to help (the way I just used) is to use PayPal. Mark your donation to friends and family and pay the fees yourself. Send to: kim.manz...@yahoo.com Karen Mc.Carthy is organizing another way to help. Step up and help out. Fred Pack Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Kim Manzoni's horses
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com I need to add that Kim has NOT asked for help, but needs it desperately. On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.comwrote: We ALL need help sometimes. Kim and David have incurred great expense to save their two horses. Even though they can ill afford it, they honored their commitment to their horsesAND SAVED THEM. I ask you to help them out. One way to help (the way I just used) is to use PayPal. Mark your donation to friends and family and pay the fees yourself. Send to: kim.manz...@yahoo.com Karen Mc.Carthy is organizing another way to help. Step up and help out. Fred Pack -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Dustenai has crossed over the rainbow bridge - May 8, 1993 - Jan 24, 2014
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com I am so darn sorry to read this. You and Mary tried your best... it was not to be. Darn... Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: my boys
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Kim, What you did WAS right. The results speak for themselves. You boys are ALIVE. I, and I am sure many others, are happy for you. Prayer, plus hard work, works.. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: My boys
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Kim, You can't put a cost on a horse that you love. When one commits to caring for an animal, one can not go half way. You do everything that you can, WHICH YOU DID. You have my respect for your commitment. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Lisa has been hacked
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Do not click on the link from Lisa Lucidi. Hey I dropped her a private note. She will work on fixing ASAP. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2014 #21
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Sometimes list administrators have other things to do in life than sit and watch their list all day. No filter is infallible. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Breaking sleigh trail
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Re: Rose Parade photos
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com this link will take you directly to the donation page: http://www.nfhr.com/catalog/index.php?RPdonation=1 regards, Fred On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:52 AM, jern...@mosquitonet.com wrote: This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Well, I'd be happy to Give a good donation to the Rose parade account! Where do we do this? This message is from: Beth Sandy - Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net It looks like I messed up when I setup the SmugMug account. The albums were not supposed to be for sale. Only prints and low-rez versions for download. Hope you bought a lottery ticket today -- seems like this is your lucky day! Glad you enjoyed the photos! Sandy Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Rose Parade Roses
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Teressa, I just recovered from the Big C. That is why the ribbon had meaning to me. I got the best Christmas present in the world, a clean bill of health. Did other people pick up on the special clipping? The RFD folks? Have you heard anything more about The Gentle Giants beside the March 3rd broadcast? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
The NFHR
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com As I like the direction, and accomplishments of the NFHR lately... I have rejoined the registry. I want to be able to help, from within the group..as well as supporting their projects. Have you donated to help defray the expenses of the Rose Parade yet... Go to http://www.nfhr.org and look for the donate banner. I gave last year before the parade will you help out now... I am damn proud of the group that pulled off an act of excellence in the parade. -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Rose Parade rebroadcast on KTLA Los Angeles coverage
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Go to: http://ktla.com/2014/01/01/2014-rose-parade-part-8/ Fjords start at 6 minutes 28 seconds into the replay. The entire parade is broken down into 8 segments. The whole parade is available. Just change the link to read (part-1/ part-2 etc. -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fwd: WATCH LIVE: 125th Rose Parade in Pasadena - latimes.com
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Trouble with this link is that it takes you to segment 1. I do not know if the segments advance automatically. Probably does. Click on the man's picture to start the show. Have to watch the whole parade to get to segment 8 where the Fjords are. Great link if one wishes to watch the whole parade without selecting a segment. On Jan 2, 2014 2:56 PM, Me Kint From Mary's iPad I googled replay 2014 Rose parade this is still on the WEB. This is a different cite but shows the KTLA show of the Rose parade. Hope this helps Mary http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-watch-live-125th-rose-parade-pasadena-20140101,0,4437826.story#axzz2pGL3gvig From Mary's iPad Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Real Malware Warning - Please Read!
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Steve, if you got bit..SOPHOS has a free removal tool. Contact me privately if needed. Fred Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
The Squirts
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com The best product I have found to stop diarrhea in my kids is HorseTech Sandtrap. http://horsetech.com/sand-trap.html Also, for a temp fix: 30cc Dark Kero Syrup. -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: head on Shoulder
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com I have had many times, since I lost my wife, where I stopped in the middle of a pasturedaydreaming and reminiscing (and feeling blue)...when from behind, one of my gals would come up quietly...give me a kiss and lay their great heads on my shoulder.ever so gently. What a great comfort.unconditional love given from earned trust. Fred On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Ellen Barry ethba...@yahoo.ie wrote: This message is from: Ellen Barry ethba...@yahoo.ie My gelding Sam (Bushwhacker's Mister Tea) will rest his head on my shoulder very frequently. I will caress his jaws when he does that and he will fall asleep with his head resting on my shoulder. He will also lay his head in my arms for me to cradle his head and will fall asleep like that too. I think it's just a gesture of affection and trust, not of dominance. I once had a dressage trainer present when he did that and she started having tears in her eyes. I asked her what's wrong and she said to me that Sam moved her to the core with his obvious love for me. Ellen. Sent from my iPad On Jun 24, 2013, at 1:20 PM, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com(fjordhorse-digest) wrote: When a horse puts his head on top of you, like rests it on your shoulder, is that a friendly gesture or an attempt to dominate? Mine does that a lot. A fjord head on your shoulder is kind of noticable, but it doesn't escalate beyond that. He has tried to control me in the past, but he has gotten 99% better with that, but I didn't know if that was a little residual bit of that, or just trying to be friendly. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fence Shorts and Waterers
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Steve, the spark from fence wire to some kind of ground will travel through the water in the pipedepending on the mineral content. Solid metal pipe to the waterers is LESS apt to shock through the water as the metal pipe acts as an excellent grounding system. The electrical impulse from the spark will be dissipated over a larger area. The impulse through a PVC pipe will be channeled to the easiest point of release..I.E. the horses nose...to ground...his feet on the earth (if un-insulated from the ground). The conductivity of the soil also plays a partsand will not conduct an impulse as easily as iron rich soil. Fred On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Steve McIlree st...@carriagehorse.comwrote: This message is from: Steve McIlree st...@carriagehorse.com Fred, Can a short in the fence cause shocks from the waterers if the water supply line is PVC? -- Steve I Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fence Shorts and Waterers
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Steve, it is true that PVC is a good insulator. However, unless you have a continuous run (no joints) between the source and the waterer, it will pick up the impulse in the ground. If some part of the water line contains a metal joint (brass, iron, or preferably stainless steel), that metal part will conduct the impulse within the water line. If you had only distilled water in the line, it would never conduct any electricity. My water softening system leaves traces of salt in the waterwhich conducts electricity VERY welllet alone what iron is not caught by the softener. I check all electrical connections at the Nelsons twice a year for corrosion as the heaters are fastened to the hot line with twist locks and subject to moisture condensation within the sewer pipe that they are mounted on. I clean the wires and install clean twist locks... A dirty ground wire connection will put residual 115v into the water. Poor connections in the fence wire will cause an audible small snap, but not short to ground. Hope this helps... Fred I finally figured out how to trim using google mail on the web. On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Steve McIlree st...@carriagehorse.comwrote: This message is from: Steve McIlree st...@carriagehorse.com Since PVC is a good insulator, how can the electricity get to the water? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Waterers
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Valerie, I have the Nelsons...and have had them for years. With the heaters, they MUST have a good ground system. Even with a good ground system, a short in a nearby electric fence will feed through the water itself (unless absolutely no mineral content...i.e. pure) ... I use an AM radio headphones to listen for shorts and track them down. On my water system is also a water (gallons used) meter, which I monitor daily for water consumption. Allowances made for hot or cold days and accessible puddles to drink from. Good luck finding the problem My Nelsons are invaluable... On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:15 AM, valerie pedersen oneponytwop...@gmail.comwrote: This message is from: valerie pedersen oneponytwop...@gmail.com We built a new barn and put expensive Nelson waterers in each stall and one in the paddock. The horses refuse to use them. One of the Fjords will use it if there is nothing else, one Fjord mare will not use it at all. The old Morgan has already had an impaction colic but it may not be the waterers fault. I have tried treats in them, no one cares. I am trying to make my life easier. Any ideas? Valerie Now in Virginia Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l -- Fred Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Fjord Relo - Vacay to TX
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Dear FJB from FJP, Your dear Lois is with MY LOIS who passed away this last June after 57 years of marriage. These two Lois's are probably gabbing it up in heaven as they have a lot in common. They both loved the Fjord Breed. The only thing keeping me going now...is the love that I am getting from these fabulous animals. I would give you a big hug, if I could.. You must continue on. Fred Frederick J. Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Lois Berenyi bossm...@atmc.net wrote: This message is from: Lois Berenyi bossm...@atmc.net Dear Ms. Sexton: It appears that my wife belonged to your Fjord club in some manner. I'm not sure that you’re the right person to contact but perhaps you could notify your group that after a two year fight with cancer my loving wife of 53 years Lois Berenyi passed away on New Years Day. FJB Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Sometimes you have to pick a side, but you should really take responsiblity for yourself
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Sorry Bonnie, but messages come through Steve's list without red letters etc... Your quoted comments, by me are correct. Yes, I broke my word. Yes, I broke a promise BUT BUT BUT: That was written BEFORE I found out from Lois (my wife) that she had denied you permission to breed our mare and you did it anyway...TWICE. That was BEFORE I had to suffer through great financial expense to get my horses back AND very little of court mandated equipment. That was BEFORE I was returned horses with hooves untrimmed for over 6 months. That was BEFORE I was returned a grossly overweight pregnant mare that was foundering and required extensive care HERE to keep her from being crippled for life. That was BEFORE I was threatened with arrest (Trespassing) if I attempted to visit my horses to check on their welfare. Yes, I have THAT in writing from you. Yes, I broke my word. Yes, I signed a settlement agreement. It contained an OPTION to pay you additional fees to sign registration papers within 6 months. That OPTION has expired and is no longer a valid/mandatory part of our agreement. I have swallowed my pride and offered you $500 to sign a COB..NOT registration papers in the interest of OUR foal. That offer is still valid until midnight 11June2102. You could not sign registration papers, as mentioned in the agreement anyway... No mention in our agreement of signing a Certificate of Breeding as required by the registry. As far as removing the videos from YouTube, I will use the same excuse (for not doing so) that you used for not removing pictures of MY horses in your advertising: I took the pictures [or had them taken for me] and they belong to me. BTW, you just admitted that the foal belongs to us. THANKS the filly will have papers. Sorry, but I REALLY DID break my word... Did I have good reasons to do so? We will NEVER forgive you for what you did to our horses... We certainly don't need yours... I WILL cross post this to my list... We wish you a day that you deserve. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Bonnie Morris morrisshado...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: Bonnie Morris morrisshado...@aol.com Great Topic Fred! Glad you brought it up. This filly can be registered with out any problems. Alls Fred has to do is comply with the legal document that he signed and everything will be all clear and and honky dory! As soon as that happens the filly will have papers. . Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Sometimes you have to pick a side, but you should really take responsiblity for yourself
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Sorry, but you message is hardly worthy of comment... My statement about being willing of taking a lie detector test about the truthfulness of my comments stands. Two different vets were consulted about moving the pregnant mare and permission was given to do so. NO RISK and NO PROBLEM...Another lie. If you will not accept our offer of $500.00, then I will petition the NFHR again to register our foal. We have no obligation to pay you anything (at present) except $500 which we have committed to HERE publicly. This really has no business on this list. My aim is to get our foal registered. I hope the BOD is taking note of these developments and your comments and my truthful rebuttal will influence a change in their decision. To provide the security and protection of registration to an innocent horse is our paramount interest. We are interested in the welfare of our foal. YOU? MONEY... Greed is a sin... On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Bonnie Morris morrisshado...@aol.com wrote: This message is from: Bonnie Morris morrisshado...@aol.com As always you are still just as dishonest in all that you say. . Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Sometimes you have to take sides
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Today is the 2nd birthday of our yet unregistered filly, Tova Tu. It was noted in the NFHR BOD minutes that the BOD didn't want to take sides regarding registering our baby. Somehow, I thought the purpose of the NFHR was to promote the Fjord and protect the breed. How does doing nothing, I.E. not taking sides promote the well being of a beautiful little girl? I suggest you re-read the post by our former trainer, posted on this list on Tue 3/6/2012 11:00 AM and my un-answered rebuttal posted Tue 3/6/2012 1:03 PM. In the mediation, the first question asked of us was: Are any horses involved in any settlement? Answer was Absolutely NOT! Subject closed. Apparently our former trainer had no inkling what an option in an agreement is. Maybe someone should educate her. The only reason we signed an agreement containing that option clause was to get rid of her as we had no intention of paying another dime. What we did pay, as part of the agreement went to HER attorney. I would like to restate something: Lois and I would be willing to take a lie detector test to allay any doubts that what we have written and said IS true. Our mare was bred against our expressed denial of permission. No signed breeding agreement, or oral agreement or permission, ever existed. PERIOD! It cost us over $30,000 in legal fees to recover our horses. We agreed to drop any further claims against her for missing equipment and neglect of our horses. She, supposedly agreed to drop any and all further claims against us...THAT INCLUDED THE HORSES. We have attempted to honor the agreement. She has not. She had disparaged us publicly. She claims in a letter to the registrar (in attempting to register our foal herself) that an agreement exists. That is a lie. She claimed that she is in the process of claiming our foal. Another lie? Our baby is still here, eating treats our of my hand and giving me warm nuzzles. We spent my retirement money to rescue our horses. We made a commitment to our horses, and lived up to that commitment. It is time for the NFHR BOD to grant a waiver of the Certificate of Breeding Requirement and take a side for the sake of an innocent horse. I ask each reader to write to each board member and demand their reasons for not allowing such an exemption. The exemption is JUSTIFIED. When our former trainer was trying to raise money to buy her white stallion, we were offered breeding's to that stallion for $500.00. We never signed one or paid her in advance for a breeding. We discarded the forms. In the event that the NFHR BOD still lacks the will power to do something right: I offer her, NOW, $500.00 to sign a Certificate of Breeding. For the sake of our baby! She can NOT become sausage. Ms. Morris, you have ONE WEEK and this OPTION will expire. It will die, midnight PDT June 11th, 2012. The money is NOT negotiable. I can put a check in the hands of President Pedersen, to be released when a COB is received by the NFHR. Tova Tu says: Don't forget me. I am a pure bred Norwegian Fjord! -- Fred and Lois Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Delays in postings
This message is from: Frederick Pack friendlyfred2...@gmail.com Sorry Joe, But I had to make sure it worked before unsubscribing from my Hughes.net address. I am not sure if anyone else on this list is using satellite mail, via Hughes. If they are, they are experiencing the same delays that we did. It would seem that Ellen may have the same problem using Yahoo.ie. to send messages. There are probably others that have experienced message delays or missing messages too. Hats off to Steve for his cooperation in helping to isolate the problem that we had. Only trying to help and point out a problem that others may have experienced. Sorry to bother you... Back to my masters and mistresses... I am trying to get fluent in HORSE. Still trying to get fluent in English too. May you all enjoy your Fjords as much as we do. Fred Jo Wilgus rjrfj...@verizon.net wrote: i am pretty sure i get the message. you have changed to gmail. got it. Fred and Lois Pack Packs Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Re: registries and Strange symbols
This message is from: Frederick Pack loisp...@hughes.net Censorship of any criticism of actions/inactions of the NFHR BOD are not to be on public view?? Some FACTS regarding our similar situation that Ellen commented on, and Curtis suggested we not discuss OUR case: Fred got a letter from President Pedersen telling him that he could not contact any BOD members, nor the Executive, nor the Registrar. He has to send any further letters through him...under threat of expulsion and being reported to local authorities. This is after Fred sent a letter to ALL the BOD, supposedly from our unregistered foal hoping that THEY were having a better Christmas than she was and suggesting that she (the foal) was considering changing her name to BLACKMAIL. This was NEVER any kind of threat towards the BOD, nor intended to be one. They were asked if they had misplaced their courage...I voiced our opinion. However strange it seems in this day and age, I still think under the 1st Amendment someone is allowed to voice their opinion??? Or, has that right been trashed too. We considered the attempt by our former trainer to obtain additional monies from us to sign a Certificate of Breeding to be what some might call a form of blackmail. Our former trainer, who bred our mare against our explicit forbidding of same, not only bred her onceintentionallybut again on the second day after she was told not to do it again. We hoped the breeding didn't take. The stallion owner has admitted, in writing TWICE, that she bred our mare to her stallion. Yet, the BOD requires THEIR COB to be filed by her. We applied through the BOD to register our foal through the exception clause, without the COB. This exceptional procedure requires a two thirds vote of the BOD and publishing the exception in the Herald for comments. This was only AFTER all obligations, including part of our settlement agreement where there was an option to pay an additional $3,000 for her to sign the REGISTRATION papers. We had no intention of paying her another dime. Now, one of the BOD members has written to our attorney: I personally believe it is reprehensible for you or Mr. Pack to ask the NFHR to register the foal under these circumstances. Is it reprehensible to not submit to what some might call extortion due to conduct of another beyond our control??? No breeding contract exists. No verbal permission was ever given to breed our mare. IN FACT we verbally denied her permission before it was done intentionally. The BOD seems to be afraid of being sued by the stallion owner, even though ALL claims by both of us are null and void with the agreement and expiration of the option. The case has been dismissed by the court and can NOT be brought up again. The former registrar, Mike May, told me to tell the board: quote: Tell them to get a pair and register the da*n horse! I DID!! It would seem that the BOD, who I have been told voted unanimously to reject my petition, might lack a pair. Shortly after we received a denial of registration on 1Dec11, the stallion owner attempted to register OUR foal herself (8Dec11) claiming in a letter to the Registrar that there was an agreement and that she was in the process of obtaining the foal. There never WAS an agreement of any kind regarding breeding our mareperiod. The BOD DID do something right, they turned her down. This message is not trimmed so that all written here can be put into context. For Curtisthese are the facts...now YOU know our side of the story. Lois Pack Send this to your friends that you know are not on this list, but NFHR members. We will see if this is posted. On Feb 13, 2012, Frederick Pack loisp...@hughes.net wrote: Where is Ellen's original message to this fjordhorse list? It is not in the archives either. Where is Curtis' reply on this list? It is also NOT in the archives. The only message in the archives is a reply from Ruth Bushnell with a subject of registries and Strange symbols. Also searched by date yields no results. I had NOTHING to do with Ellen posting her message. Let's see if THIS comes through on Steve's list. All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 NOTE; Addressed to fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com as well From: Ellen Barry at ethba...@yahoo.ie ethba...@yahoo.ie Date: Feb 13, 2012 Subject: [FjordIssues] Re: registries and Strange symbols To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com, fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com I wrote this email before, in HTML and it didn't get through. So here's the plain text version. I'll post it to the other Fjord list too, to see if it gets through. . Registries get to make their own rules. Hi Valerie, You're absolutely right. They not only make their own rules, they can decide
Re: registries and Strange symbols
This message is from: Frederick Pack loisp...@hughes.net Where is Ellen's original message to this fjordhorse list? It is not in the archives either. Where is Curtis' reply on this list? It is also NOT in the archives. The only message in the archives is a reply from Ruth Bushnell with a subject of registries and Strange symbols. Also searched by date yields no results. Is the fjordhorse list being censored?? I had NOTHING to do with Ellen posting her message. Let's see if THIS comes through on Steve's list. All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 NOTE; Addressed to fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com as well From: Ellen Barry at ethba...@yahoo.ie ethba...@yahoo.ie Date: Feb 13, 2012 Subject: [FjordIssues] Re: registries and Strange symbols To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com, fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com I wrote this email before, in HTML and it didn't get through. So here's the plain text version. I'll post it to the other Fjord list too, to see if it gets through. . Registries get to make their own rules. Hi Valerie, You're absolutely right. They not only make their own rules, they can decide whatever they like. I know of one person who has a horse that was illegally bred by the person who had custody of his horse at the time. A judge ruled that the mare had to go back to the rightful owner but the Registry refuses to register the foal of that breeding even though both mare and stallion are DNA'd and registered. The owner of the stallion wants an exorbitant breeding fee. Yes, you read that right. Even though prohibited from breeding that mare, she still did it and even wants a breeding fee. Subsequently, that person is rewarded by the Registry by not allowing the owner of the mare to register the foal unless the stallion owner agrees. The registry did not punish the despicable behavior. They rewarded it. Totally ridiculous and unjust at that too. = Lois' note: The stallion owner attempted to register the foal to herself after the mare owner was turned down by the registry. She was fortunately turned down. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
