Jerry...a question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerry please explain the need of black-skinned horses for omega oils. I give mine a small amount each day. How much is adequate but will not promote too much weight gain? If they get a flax supplement, do they need BOSS? "And supply the good omegas, that black skinned horses need." Thanks, Linda **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: A question please
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] go on the AHSA web site and they should be able to answer your question. Robyn in MD
i have a question
This message is from: "nancy nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hello, my name is anna. i am 14 i have a fjord named lilly. i have been showing her for 1 year. we got grand champion at fair. and many other places at local shows. she has been a mountain pony and we do many kinds of riding. i would like to find a FJORD HORSE COLORED MAGNETIC DECAL for my trailer. if anybody knows of any websites to buy them please let me know imediatly! thank you, anna
i have a question
This message is from: "nancy nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hello, my name is anna. i am 14 i have a fjord named lilly. i have been showing her for 1 year. we got grand champion at fair. and many other places at local shows. she has been a mountain pony and we do many kinds of riding. i would like to find a fjord horse colored,magnetic decal for my trailer. if anybody knows of any websites to buy them please let me know imediatly! thank you and i enjoy your digest .. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fjordhorse-digest)>Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: fjordhorse-digest V2005 #106>Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:11:26 -0400>>fjordhorse-digest Saturday, May 14 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 106In this issue:>>RE: TYPE>RE: a year of fjording (long)>Rom's Excellent Adventure>Re: Gjest.doc>RE: Rom's Excellent Adventure - Jim's Conversion>Re: Fjord Foal Festival in Virginia> Re: Gjest.doc>Felix Offspring>Hello from Denmark>RE: TYPE>Re: Hello from Denmark>Re: TYPE>Re: TYPE> Re: TYPE>New fjord owner, saddle questions: Cheryl in California>Three spectacular Fjords for sale> Re: Typeee>>See the end of the digest for information on how to retrieve back issues.>>-->>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:26:07 -0700>From: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Subject: RE: TYPE>>This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>WOW... Just got back form Norway... You have not seen "type" until you have>seen some of the boys they showed this year. WOW... is all I can say...>>Catherine Lassesen>>What about pics? Available if requested?>>-->>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:13:51 -0500>From: "Linda Lottie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Subject: RE: a year of fjording (long)>>This message is from: "Linda Lottie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Laurie..fun to read about you and Ozand the duck? When I>found Sven...the Redfields had the same thing goin' on with a duck at>their place. So cute!>>Linda in MN>> >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> >Subject: a year of fjording (long)> >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:47:15 EDT> >> >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >In a message dated 5/12/05 10:57:05 AM,> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> >> >> > > He's also a huggable, hat-snatching,> > > carrot-crunching, pet-me-some-more companion horse. Me, I'm just a> > > slow-moving, tubby> > > old lady with bad knees> > >> >> ><> >your description fits me to a T also. and i don't know much about blood>lines> >and such, though i do see some names in Oz's pedigree that i have seen>on> >here (Rudaren),> >> >since i have now had him for a year, and his 10th birthday was> >yesterdayfor his present i untangled his tail by hand. he's been>rolling> >in mud for> >weeks and hard as i try to keep him clean, it's a losing battle...i am>looking> >back to see how far we have come in that time.> >> >some reflections on my yearwhen i took him to blue earth that>summer,> >i had only owned him about 2 months, so we were barely on a first name>basis> >yet. however, even with my nervous inexperience, he did everything i>asked in> >the classes we entered (my first horse show). i rode some last summer>after> >the show, took him to two clinics.he was such a great hit at both of>them.> >everybody loved him, and lots of people had never met a fjord. he did>well,> >again dealing with my nervousness, a lot of which i am still carrying>around> >from my QH who bucked me off and broke ribs.> >> >i did not ride at all last winter (too icy, or muddy or cold and i have>no> >indoor arena). however, every night when he comes in for dinner, i groom>him,> >talk to him, play in his stall, and we have spent the time getting to>know and> >trust each other. i feel like we finally have developed the kind of> >relationship i wanted when i got a horse. trusting, loving, fun...the>fear is> >fading, and> >i look forward to our time together every day. the other night when i>got> >home and called to him, he came at a gallop from the far reaches of our> >pasture,> >and nickered when he got to the gate. i was very touchedi worry>about> >every little thing (just ask poor patti walter how many emails she's>gotten> >from> >me about this or that..is he ok)> >> >one challenge has been the fjord propensity for FOOD. i know he is> >"overconditioned" right now. DH has a tendency to overfeed, and i have>had a> >hard time> >convincing him ( and t
Re: a question on pairs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/24/2004 8:14:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for those of you who drive pairs and singles, do you honestly see LESS spooky reactions and run aways with a pair - because they have each other? Pat: My personal experience is that there isn't much difference. In fact, my normally cool & collected mare will get MORE excited when driven in pair with her sister if her sister gets excited. In other words, something that normally wouldn't bother Taffy by herself WILL get her excited if Emily gets excited about it. With a Pair you also have twice the horse power to control in a sticky situation... And, I have seen runaways with pairs, and it is VERY scary! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A Question?
This message is from: "Frank & Sally Higgins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello, all you lucky Fjord-owning Listers! This 'Newbie" has been lurking
and reading with interest all the notes sent in to the list. How wonderful
everyone can share their knowledge and experiences with each other. Sure
wish something like this had been available years ago! {Or that I had known
about it}
I do have a question/request for you knowledgeable folks. Where can one get
a pattern for a stained glass Fjordhorse head? I have seen only one, and
the person who made it is no longer available and no one knows how to
contact her. My daughter is doing stained glass, and would like to make one
for us if only she could get a pattern. Thanks for any suggestions!
Once again, I am enjoying the List, thanks to Aimee Day!
Sally Higgins {ex-Fjord owner :-( } from southern Maine -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trail Rides and a Question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michelle - sounds like you are having a ball with your horses and your daughter. When my youngest daughter was pre-teen we did the horse show thing with our QH - I loved every minute of it - so fun to watch the pair in the ring. Now, after high school and college softball committment behind her she is talking about showing our QH again - I would be thrilled!! She may show our Fjord a little too. The years go fast so good you are make the best of them - Linda in MN
Trail Rides and a Question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying all the posts lately, so much information, so little time to read it, My Fjord file on my computer is getting full. Thanks Lisa P for that great post. I printed it out, saved it, etc., that was enough stuff to do with my horse that I think it will be 10 before I get to driving her! We have been having so much fun. My daughter Mandy and I took NFH Gracie to Rusten (Quad-L Ranch) to be bred, and met a bunch of friends there (Sarah Nagel, Teresa and Jennie Sanders) and in between downpours we went trail riding. I learned how to pony a baby on Sarah's horse Orianna. Mandy has Sarah's horse Sonny to train for the summer. We had a blast, I'm surprised we all stayed mounted with all the laughing we did. A bunch of females on a trail ride can get quite hysterical quick. Since getting back home, I have been riding our mare Tone' and ponying (sp) Tonetta along. I think I finally have the hang of this. After riding Tone' this year, I have decided she's the perfect horse for me, (Thanks to my daughter training her all last year) It's great having a built in horse trainer. HEE HEE CAN'T HAVE HER! Sarah has been riding my mare Gracie, who is coming along beautifully on trail. Sarah might steal her if I'm not careful. So I have her horse Sonny as collateral!! Now. I'm having so much fun, I lost my mind and went and bought Linda Hickam's stallion Eric, (the old guy). With three Fjord mares and we are keeping little Tonetta that was born this year. I'm tired of traipsing all over the country to breed my mares. I hate having them away from home, We miss them too much!! I have one question to the list, We have been ponying Tonetta on trail rides every other day or so. We have a standard loop we do from the house that is 3-4 miles. Adding more a little at a time. Saturday our local driving club is having a 10 mile ride, and I want to ride along and pony the baby. Is this too far? If I stop and let her nurse and rest along the way? I don't want to wear her little hooves off! So far she is fine and when we get home instead of laying down, she races around the pasture. They have so much energy those little foals. Tonetta was born April 18th of this year Well, enough ramblings. Keep up the great posts. I may not respond much, but I read them daily Michele Noonan Stevensville, MT
Re: A question
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 01:59 PM 1/19/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been following the thread about member profiles. I would like to know if there is any Fjord publication, with pictures, out there? I have Carol's book, and it was good, but I want more. Pamela Garofalo Well there is the NFHR's quarterly magazine that has pictures & news in it. Also some ads with pictures. You can subscribe to it by going to the web site & clicking on "Joining NFHR". Print the form and mail it to the address on the form with your payment. Subscribe soon so you get all of the 2001 issues. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been following the thread about member profiles. I would like to know if there is any Fjord publication, with pictures, out there? I have Carol's book, and it was good, but I want more. Pamela Garofalo
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/22/00 7:30:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Now I suppose someone will try to created a miniature Fjord just like someone has created a miniature form of the Siberian Husky. What next? >> Oh heck Jeannow you've given me something to think about. I'm sure I'll wake up tonite from a dream being surrounded by little bitty fjord horses, the size of my german shepherd!!! Pamela
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I couldn't believe the amount of mail, from the time we left Hawaii till we got home, all about crossbreeding!!! I've not caught up, but am skimming a lot. Here's my humble take. Fjords are the best horses I've come across in my life, for where I am in my life now. I can't see any reason to add, take away. Other breeds are other breeds. Adding fjord blood will take away their purity too. And as others have said, you could wind up with a sorry looking animal if you aren't careful. There WAS that one qh/fjord for sale on the net last month that I thought was particularly handsome. If they were all guaranteed to come out like that, I wouldn't have a problem. But there is no guarantee, and as has been stated, if you get a horse that has light bone, heavy body, you are doing that baby no favor in being born. I'd rather use the fjord genes to perpetuate this breed and have it flourish than to dilute the gene pool. Pamela Still jet lagged and hoping to make some sense
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna- Question: Why own and promote Fjords if all you want to do is exactly opposite of what everyone else is trying to preserver. to try and get something that you have no idea what the outcome will be-aren't there enough unwanted horses? are you willing to keep these foals your stallion produces even if they aren't what you are looking for "sporthorses". are the owners of the mares willing to do this or will they just be dumped like so many of the unwanted crosses - is it just to make money with a stallion?? maybe you should do just a bit more checking into this -sounds to me like there are plenty of fjord crosses in Canada maybe you can go find a "sport horse" up there that need a home!! - Original Message - From: Anna Rousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:49 AM Subject: Re: a question for the list > This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > AGAIN people. Crossbreeding cannot hurt the Fjord unless you decide to > register the offspring Come on now!And no one is trying to better the > Fjord breed. IT is what it is, you cannot register the crossbred anyhow so > how could you possibly use it to better the breed. I am talking about > crossing to make a sport horse type to show in CT, dressage or stadium > jumping. Something that does not require papers anyhow. Now, how is this > harmful? > > Purity of the breed should be maintained without question, this does NOT > interfere with that. > > Anna > > > >From: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >Subject: Re: a question for the list > >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:59:10 -0500 > > > >This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Lynn Mohr wrote: > > > I don't understand the argument that cross breeding hurts theFjord > > > breed. > > > >It's hard to explain, without sounding religious about it. But I've come to > >the realization over the years that North Americans tend to ruin horse > >breeds. > > > >When I was a kid in Pony Club there were two quarter horses in our barn. > >They were great horses! a mare and a gelding, 15 hh and 14.2, and their > >lucky owners were always in the top ribbons in every thing they did, > >eventing, dressage, hunter, gymkhana, etc etc. These two were always the > >best horses for hacking, fooling around bareback, and swimming in the pond. > >Very trustworthy. Almost 20 years later I went looking for such a quarter > >horse. Do you think I could find one? Nowadays they're all 16 hh or more, > >long thin necks, teeny weeny feet, and spook at their shadow. Ruined!! > > > >In the Fjordhorse we have an opportunity to "do right" by preserving what > >nature and careful selective breeders have given us. How could creating a > >bunch of half-bred Fjord wannabees possibly be good for the Fjord breed? - > >and others have said that these crosses invariably turn out poorly - so why > >bother? > > > >Lori > > > > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lori: I am not being pushy, just stating a point. The value of the purebred is in breeding as well as competition, the value of a cross in only competition. What I am trying to say is that they will do the purebred no harm. As far as the paragraph how is a breed considered pure if there are partbreds running around is ludicrous. A partbred can never be considered purebred! A purebred is just that, pure of its race, the part bred is a mixture. Anna From: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: a question for the list Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:19:50 -0500 This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna Rousseau wrote: > > This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > AGAIN people. Crossbreeding cannot hurt the Fjord unless you decide to > register the offspring Okay. So bad example (the ruination of QH's and other breeds). But if it weren't rude to call someone rude I'd have to say you are being rather pushy and overbearing about the promotion of your ideas and ridiculing of everyone else's. How on earth can a breed be considered pure if there is a tribe of halfbreeds running around out there? And what makes you so sure that Fjord-crosses would be better at those activities than Fjords? Or better than whatever they were crossed to? The Fjord-crosses I've seen were extremely poor specimens, even though pure Fjords by the same stallion were nice Fjords. Lori __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
SV: a question for the list
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna wrote: >>I have spent my life studying many different breeds and I think quite a few are great breeds, but many are too specialized and should not be owned by the average owner, but to combine that those breeds with something like a Fjord for temperment and bone would make a phenomenal horse.>> As you say quite a few breeds ARE suitable for the average horseowner, so why try to change the more specialized breeds by crossing them with Fjords when there are enough horse breeds already to fit the needs of 99% of us horse owners? I have seen several fjordcrosses (FjordXSwedish warmblod, Gotland pony, TB, Belgian, Lipizzaner, Shetland...) and none of them have been better than any of the two original breeds used for the cross, just different. Once when I was thinking of which stallion to breed my mare to, one of my friends suggested me to use a stallion from a different breed since that would give me a larger horse (I had thoughts about buying a larger horse at the time). I just thought that if I wanted a horse similar to Fjord/TB or Fjord/warmblood cross, I could might as well buy a North-Swedish trotter or Döle trotter. Apart from seldom having the dun colour, these breeds look pretty much (when it comes to type - they have their own breed-characteristics) like the Fjord/TB:s or Fjord/WB:s I've seen and there are horses out there that NEED HOMES since they haven't done well enough in the harness racing to be used in the breeding programmes. If I wanted a larger horse, why should I cross breed from my! mare instead of given one of these ex harness-racers a home? Many of them make wonderful pleasure horses. I don't know about the situation in the rest of the world, but here in Sweden we're about to face problems with a lot of unwanted horses very soon. It has become popular to breed for colour. Nothing wrong in that, but right now it means that many people breed their standardbred mares (re-schooled as riding horses) with paint- or pinto stallions. There are a lot of advertisments where these crosses (most of them "un-coloured", the "coloured" are more expensive) are offered at very low prices. Some of them end up with the Swedish rescue organisation. The fathers might be top-quality stallions, but many of the foals are still unwanted horses that have been produced because the mare-owners felt that they wanted to breed from their mare. My point is that event though these foals have a 'trendy' father, most people just tend to see their 'not-so-trendy' mother and the foal might become another unwanted horse! Just my 2 cents! Regards Anneli
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna Rousseau wrote: > > This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > AGAIN people. Crossbreeding cannot hurt the Fjord unless you decide to > register the offspring Okay. So bad example (the ruination of QH's and other breeds). But if it weren't rude to call someone rude I'd have to say you are being rather pushy and overbearing about the promotion of your ideas and ridiculing of everyone else's. How on earth can a breed be considered pure if there is a tribe of halfbreeds running around out there? And what makes you so sure that Fjord-crosses would be better at those activities than Fjords? Or better than whatever they were crossed to? The Fjord-crosses I've seen were extremely poor specimens, even though pure Fjords by the same stallion were nice Fjords. Lori
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> AGAIN people. Crossbreeding cannot hurt the Fjord unless you decide to register the offspring Come on now!And no one is trying to better the Fjord breed. IT is what it is, you cannot register the crossbred anyhow so how could you possibly use it to better the breed. I am talking about crossing to make a sport horse type to show in CT, dressage or stadium jumping. Something that does not require papers anyhow. Now, how is this harmful? Purity of the breed should be maintained without question, this does NOT interfere with that. Anna From: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: a question for the list Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:59:10 -0500 This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lynn Mohr wrote: > I don't understand the argument that cross breeding hurts theFjord > breed. It's hard to explain, without sounding religious about it. But I've come to the realization over the years that North Americans tend to ruin horse breeds. When I was a kid in Pony Club there were two quarter horses in our barn. They were great horses! a mare and a gelding, 15 hh and 14.2, and their lucky owners were always in the top ribbons in every thing they did, eventing, dressage, hunter, gymkhana, etc etc. These two were always the best horses for hacking, fooling around bareback, and swimming in the pond. Very trustworthy. Almost 20 years later I went looking for such a quarter horse. Do you think I could find one? Nowadays they're all 16 hh or more, long thin necks, teeny weeny feet, and spook at their shadow. Ruined!! In the Fjordhorse we have an opportunity to "do right" by preserving what nature and careful selective breeders have given us. How could creating a bunch of half-bred Fjord wannabees possibly be good for the Fjord breed? - and others have said that these crosses invariably turn out poorly - so why bother? Lori __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: "Lynn Mohr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Creating cross bred fjords doesn't affect the breed at all. The crosses made be good or bad, but they are not fjords. The other breeds that you feel are screwed up were done by breeders selecting for certain traits, within the breed, not by crosses. This is a moot point, but it is a fact that a pure bred fjord mare bred to any number of studs of various linages is STILL THE SAME MARE. These out breedings would have no effect on a mating to a fjord stallion and that off spring would be no better or worse if the mare hadn't been previously cross bred. I respect anyones opinion or belief regarding the fjord, but I can't buy all the info given to prove their point. Most of it appears to be one viewing of a cross or never even having seen one. Preserving the integrity of the fjord breed has nothing to fear from cross breeding but has much to fear from breeders selecting for traits that are extreme on either ends of the spectrum within the breed.
Re: a question for the list
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lynn Mohr wrote: > I don't understand the argument that cross breeding hurts theFjord > breed. It's hard to explain, without sounding religious about it. But I've come to the realization over the years that North Americans tend to ruin horse breeds. When I was a kid in Pony Club there were two quarter horses in our barn. They were great horses! a mare and a gelding, 15 hh and 14.2, and their lucky owners were always in the top ribbons in every thing they did, eventing, dressage, hunter, gymkhana, etc etc. These two were always the best horses for hacking, fooling around bareback, and swimming in the pond. Very trustworthy. Almost 20 years later I went looking for such a quarter horse. Do you think I could find one? Nowadays they're all 16 hh or more, long thin necks, teeny weeny feet, and spook at their shadow. Ruined!! In the Fjordhorse we have an opportunity to "do right" by preserving what nature and careful selective breeders have given us. How could creating a bunch of half-bred Fjord wannabees possibly be good for the Fjord breed? - and others have said that these crosses invariably turn out poorly - so why bother? Lori
Crossbreeding (was Re: a question for the list)
This message is from: Misty Meadows B & B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Anna - We are fjord breeders who also happen to own a fjord-morgan cross, Heidi. (first time I have admitted this on the list:>:> ) Heidi was our first horse, purchased for a nine year old daughter. As we learned more about fjords, we opted for quality breeding stock of registered fjords. Noone knows the original breeders of Heidi and we ourselves do not crossbreed because we too feel that the fjordhorse has characteristics maintained over the centuries that are too precious to lose. There are crossbreeds that crop up here in BC at shows and CDE's; they cannot be registered with the Canadian Fjordhorse Association and they are generally not an improvement of either breed. Heidi is the only fjord-cross that we have ever seen that I would deem successful in appearance. In fact, she is a gorgeous animal who also shows successfully, almost always in the top three ribbons in the hunter-jumper ring. (class size 30 horses) She is darker than our fjords, has lost the characteristic oatmeal muzzle, but retains the mane. She has slighter legs, a slighter head and neck and retains the stripings on her legs. Because of her showing record, we could sell her tomorrow at a greater price than any of our adult registered fjords, so discussions of price are a red herring in thinking of cross breeding. However, did she improve the Morgan? - no, absolutely not! Morgan folks think her heavy, she does not have their characteristic trot; hunter judges still whisper to Elise that they loved her riding but her horse does not have a hunter neck. Although both Morgans and fjords are good driving horses, the thought of ever putting a cart, wagon or plough behind Heidi would result in a certain accident. Somehow, she has a much different temperment than either of her original breeds. And is she a fjord? - absolutely not!! Our bed and breakfast guest children can roam freely among the fjords, but not with Heidi. She is flightly. Our fjords live as an intact herd with their stallion, but Heidi is too high strung to fit into this situation. Heidi is the only horse on the property who needs four shoes because her feet are not as hard. She will never be ridden by any of the children who come for lessons or guests because she is flighty, suddenly deciding to kick out at a school bus passing by on the road, or a gust of wind. She hates grey horses in the show ring and pursues them. Elise has the riding skills to make her look like a push button horse whose rider is doing little, but what we have at times in the hunter ring is an extremely strong horse that is pulling like a freight train. As our younger daughter has taken over the riding of Heidi this year, she has been given three flying lessons - something that I hate and do not even think about with her daily riding or our fjords. On trail rides, Heidi is the horse that will kick back at a following horse endangering a rider. So although Heidi is a beloved, very highly trained, good looking horse with good confirmation and who can probably outperform most fjords in jumping, we have lost one of the truly unique and important qualities of the breed - TEMPERMENT. Temperment is so inherent and important in our breed that we cannot allow it to become altered in any way. The signature temperment of the breed is patient, willing, courgeous, reliable, mild-mannered, steadfast, dependable, friendly. Comparing the fjord crosses that I have seen which all lack this signature and and the wonderful purebreds that we have bred who all have this signature temperment, there is no doubt in my mind that crossbreeding fjords should simply not be done. It doesn't matter whether we are talking mare or stallion. I always at a loss when I get at least four phone calls a year from folks wanting to know how to market their fjord crosses - the words "too strong for my child", "needs someone with strong hands", "stubborn", should be warning flags to us all. Cathy at Misty Meadows B&B and Fjords, Victoria, BC
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think the Canadian Fjord Horse Association has any ban against crossbreeding. They discourage crossbreeding and promote keeping the breed pure, but there are no rules penalizing someone who crossbreeds. I guess what I am saying, is that someone who feels strongly that they wish to crossbreed their Fjord should consider the CFHA or another Fjord registry (If it is important to them to BE in a Fjord registry of some sort and keep their animals registered) and not worry about the rules of NFHR. If you want to be a member of NFHR in good standing and have your fjords registered in NFHR then you must abide by their rules! Nobody is going to arrest you for crossbreeding your Fjord Stallion or mare, And there is nothing to prevent someone from buying a Fjord stud colt and using him for crossbreeding, if that is what you want to do. You just won't be permitted to be a member of NFHR or have you animals registered in NFHR. There was a person in Whitehorse,YT Canada, who was using a Fjord Stallion on Quarterhorse mares to produce what they called "Cherry Fjords" which looked much like fjords but were a red shade of brown dun. There is a mare from that breeding here in Fairbanks, and she looks a LOT like a Fjord. The owner bred her to a dun colored quarterhorse stallion here and the resulting 1/4 ford-3/4 quarterhorse still has the fjord coloring but much of the quarterhorse characteristics. The gal that bought this 1/4 Fjord insists on calling her a "Fjord" (And I insist on correcting her much to her irritation! VEG) It is interesting that the Quarterhorse Association won't register this 3/4 Quarterhorse either or allow her to be entered in the Quarterhorse shows. I don't believe in crossbreeding Fjords (Let me make that clear) but if that is what you want to do, Anna, there is nothing preventing you from doing it. As Jean Gayle said: >I just feel a group that wants the breed to remain pure and >no halves is as correct as one who registers half breeds. It is a matter of >one's own philosophy.> Now I suppose someone will try to created a miniature Fjord just like someone has created a miniature form of the Siberian Husky. What next? Jean in sunny and warm Fairbanks, Alaska, +41 degrees equals melting snow and Fjord hair all over the place! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna I appreciate your response re "what is wrong with a fjord stallion covering mares of another breed. I guess nothing if that is how you feel. But others do not agree so so beit. Not everyone takes a shower every day, is that wrong? I just feel a group that wants the breed to remain pure and no halves is as correct as one who registers half breeds. It is a matter of one's own philosophy. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to point out that it has probably taken hundreds, if not thousands of years of breeding to create the diverse group of horse breeds we have today. To think we can accomplish much by crossbreeding a couple of times is unrealistic.
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This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All of you that spoke up with concerns of Crossbreds being put off as purebreds... Does the registry you are in not bloodtype or DNA test? Anna From: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Re: a question for the list Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:33:31 -0600 This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna, I don't want to insult but I think this country has enough horses that are cross bred-for example - look at quarter horse crosses - they are a dime a dozen where I live and they aren't nice ones-they are any two horses thrown together just to have a foal - and maybe making money on a stud fee. I'm no big breeder, but I would hate to see this breed ruined in crossing them with other breeds- this country has a tendency to do that with everything we get our hands on-just like the many breeds of dogs.If people start crossing fjords and breeding their half breeds then there goes the qualities we originally got into the breed for.a breed should be kept true for what they are-each serves its purpose- if it cant do what you would like-then find a breed that can come on listers I know we have strong opinions on this subject- just like the Zebra cross thing that was discussed awhile back. sorry this is so long Randi from Wisconsin - Original Message - From: Anna Rousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Re: a question for the list > This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 1) << The ultimate goal in breeding anything is to produce something > better in > terms of conformation, movement, and temperment. > > > There isn't anything better than a pure bred Norwegian Fjord. >> > > I disagree. There may be a cross that is more suitable for a certain > discipline than the purebred Fjord. What breeds would not exist today if > there was no crossbreeding allowed in any other breeds? That is very narrow > minded. That is like the Nazi's idea that only the light skinned, light eyed > type of people were with any intelligence or athletic ability. > > 2) < Why is that wrong? > > Because breeding a Good Fjord Stallion to a BAD mare of another > breed will most likely not produce a "Better" horse.>> > > Well, I said nothing about breeding a good Fjord to a bad mare of any other > breed. There are good mares of other breeds that would benefit from some > good Fjord characteristics. Every breed has some faults, cross breeding a TB > mare for instance with the Fjord can breed out some of the "hot" and add > more bone. This would make a better performance animal. > > I can understand the idea of keeping a breed pure for survival of the breed. > This breed however will not be hurt by crossbreeding of stallions. Other > breeds out there could use some of these characteristics. I think the Fjord > crosses would excell in many different areas which would in turn help > promote the Fjord horse, widening the market! Wake up people, half the sport > horses competing for this country in international competitions are cross > breeds of one sort or another. Why not promote your horses this way allowing > stallions to crossbreed? > > > Thanks > Anna > > >From: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >Subject: Re: a question for the list > >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:54:30 -0500 > > > >This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >At 09:21 AM 3/22/00 -0800, you wrote: > >>This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>Dear list members: > >> > >>I am not a Fjord Association member. I have just one Fjord, I bought him > >>to ride and do breed promos. I was told the other day that the Fjord > >>association does not allow cross breeding and will pull papers on a horse > >>that is cross bred. > > > >If it is the "Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry" that your talking about then > >the answer is yes that is true. The NFHR does not allow > >crossbreeding. Here is the exact text of the rule: > >== > >In the interest of protecting the genetic purity and the highest standards > >of the Fjord horse, we will withdraw from the Norwegian Fjord Horse > >Registry any mare or stallion that is used for crossbreeding with another > >breed or species. Violators will have their membership suspended and will > >lose all membership priv
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This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lynn: That is my point exactly. I really do not understand this registry or the ideas of most of the members on the list. Like I have said, I can understand why not cross the mares, they are limited in numbers and the potential there could be harmful, but what harm does a Fjord stallion breeding other breeds of mares do? thanks Anna From: "Lynn Mohr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Re: a question for the list Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:55:56 -0500 This message is from: "Lynn Mohr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't understand the argument that cross breeding hurts theFjord breed. The result of the cross is NOT a fjord, it is a cross. It can not be registered and never will be. The fjord used in the cross is exactly the same horse it was before the breeding. How does this hurt the actual fjord breed? I'm not trying to argue with anyone, only better understand. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Meredith: Agreed. There would be good and bad in crossbreeding as far as conformation or temperment and movement would go, BUT I have seen some nice purebred Fjords and I have seen some VERY bad purebred Fjords. AS a matter of fact, I have had other people tell me that Fjords look like they are only good for Draft work, have a piggy temperment and to most people are not pleasing to the eye. It took me a long time to find the guy that I have. I did not buy him to breed, only to train for classical dressage and to do breed demos so that people that had the above ideas of Fjords could see their ideas were incorrect. I chose to have only stallions on my farm for riding because that is all I enjoy at this time. I did the breeding farm thing for years, I am tired of that road. I have the horses I have to enjoy and to bring awareness of other breeds to the forefront in my area which is isolated and not much in the way of horse other than QH, TB and Arabs. THanks Anna From: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: "FjordHorse-L" Subject: Re: a question for the list Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:39:20 -0500 This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >what harm is there in >breeding a stallion to other breeds of mares? The ultimate goal in breeding >anything is to produce something better in terms of conformation, movement, >and temperment. Anna ... we are very awake ... I am with those who believe this breed to be unique in looks and behavior; and in genotype too, we've recently found out. Fjords are very different from other horses and don't always cross well. I have seen some photos of very ugly Fjord crosses and some of nice Fjord crosses. But are the best results an improvement over either breed? What could you be trying to produce with a Fjord cross? A fabulous family horse? a handsome steady pony to compete in driving, do packing or to do farm work? a best friend and trail companion? a very handsome smooth moving mount for basic dressage that you don't need a ladder to get up on? What could you cross with a Fjordhorse to beat the real thing? At this point in time, I see no good reason to cross this breed with anything else, especially since there are many reports of cross-breds being passed off as pure-breds. Since the Fjord is so special, and I've heard that crosses do not necessarily pick up the wonderful Fjord temperament, I don't think it would be favorable to the breed to allow crosses. There are already hundreds of thousands of cross-bred ponies and horses out there that desperately need good homes ... pure-breds too, for that matter. If a related breed like the Freisian, or the Highland, or Fell Pony, or the Icelandic, or a draft breed grew genetically weak through small numbers or heavy linebreeding and they asked us to infuse their breed with a dose of the Fjords genetic strength (like the Pointers did for the Dalmatians in the '80's) I certainly could not see turning them down. >>><<< Meredith Sessoms >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lori: I do understand prepotency. I raise Iberian horses for sometime and they are very prepotent. The issue here is not to better the Fjord or to call a partbred Fjord a purebred. What I am saying here is that to use a Fjord stallion to other breeds of mares will not hurt the Fjord breed. That is my one and only point. The Iberian horse for instance has been bred since the 12th century, they are very prepotent to type, and their native stud books in Spain and in Portugal allow cross breeding for equine athletes. They do not register them as purebred. The Fjord horse though has been outcrossed says historians. They have been part of the melting pot for other breeds. How did this happen? Anna From: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: a question for the list Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:05:42 -0500 This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna Rousseau wrote: > > I am not a Fjord Association member. I have just one Fjord, I bought him to > ride and do breed promos. I was told the other day that the Fjord > association does not allow cross breeding and will pull papers on a horse > that is cross bred. Well, I do not know if that is true or not, but I find > this ridiculous Dear Anna: The Fjord is very prepotent genetically. This means that a Fjord-cross will look very Fjord-like. The reason for that is that the Norwegians, by virtue of their geographical isolation and the fact they realized they had a good thing in the Fjordhorse, carefully protected the purity of the breed and did not outcross (with the exception of the Rimfakse incident). The Europeans have spent a lot of time and effort to keep the Fjordhorse purebred and to improve the breed, by evaluating the quality of all their horses and breeding the best to the best. They judge their horses on conformation, conformance to breed standard, and performance in a wide variety of activities. For North Americans to come along and think "we can do better" by outcrossing, thereby destroying the purity of the breed, would be a violation of the years and years of protection and preservation that the Europeans have devoted to this most unique horse. It would be a violation of the sacred trust and stewardship we have in the Fjordhorse breed. I don't really care if it would improve another breed, or if most of the sporthorses out there are crosses, or whatever. The purebred Fjordhorse has what it takes to go to the top in many disciplines, and for those disciplines that he doesn't, well, I'm sure there are breeds that do. I hope that makes sense. Lori __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean: Yes, that was a little strong, but to say that the Fjord is better than all the rest, I do not think that true. There are many breeds, each independantly better for there own reasons. There is no need to start another group. I think it is fine for there to be a preservation group. I see the purpose in keeping the purebred Fjord mares for purebred breeding, the mares only have one foal per year, but how is it harmful to the breed for a stallion that is nice to cover mares of another breed? That is my question. I have spent my life studying many different breeds and I think quite a few are great breeds, but many are too specialized and should not be owned by the average owner, but to combine that those breeds with something like a Fjord for temperment and bone would make a phenomenal horse. Thanks Anna From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Re: a question for the list Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:25:01 -0800 This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna, there is nothing wrong with improving a breed but that is in the eye of the beholder. I think you are a bit strong in the"nazi" reference. Groups form for certain purposes. Nfhr is there to maintain the breed as it now is. Form your own group, "Fjords for the improvement of the quarter horse" Give those poor "improved" quarterhorses a neck that holds their head up and feet they can stand on. Or "Fjords for the improvement of Arabs." Give them girth and a soft temperament. But do not try to change an established group to fit your needs. You have a lot to offer I am sure. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: "Lynn Mohr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't understand the argument that cross breeding hurts theFjord breed. The result of the cross is NOT a fjord, it is a cross. It can not be registered and never will be. The fjord used in the cross is exactly the same horse it was before the breeding. How does this hurt the actual fjord breed? I'm not trying to argue with anyone, only better understand.
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This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna, I don't want to insult but I think this country has enough horses that are cross bred-for example - look at quarter horse crosses - they are a dime a dozen where I live and they aren't nice ones-they are any two horses thrown together just to have a foal - and maybe making money on a stud fee. I'm no big breeder, but I would hate to see this breed ruined in crossing them with other breeds- this country has a tendency to do that with everything we get our hands on-just like the many breeds of dogs.If people start crossing fjords and breeding their half breeds then there goes the qualities we originally got into the breed for.a breed should be kept true for what they are-each serves its purpose- if it cant do what you would like-then find a breed that can come on listers I know we have strong opinions on this subject- just like the Zebra cross thing that was discussed awhile back. sorry this is so long Randi from Wisconsin - Original Message - From: Anna Rousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Re: a question for the list > This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 1) << The ultimate goal in breeding anything is to produce something > better in > terms of conformation, movement, and temperment. > > > There isn't anything better than a pure bred Norwegian Fjord. >> > > I disagree. There may be a cross that is more suitable for a certain > discipline than the purebred Fjord. What breeds would not exist today if > there was no crossbreeding allowed in any other breeds? That is very narrow > minded. That is like the Nazi's idea that only the light skinned, light eyed > type of people were with any intelligence or athletic ability. > > 2) < Why is that wrong? > > Because breeding a Good Fjord Stallion to a BAD mare of another > breed will most likely not produce a "Better" horse.>> > > Well, I said nothing about breeding a good Fjord to a bad mare of any other > breed. There are good mares of other breeds that would benefit from some > good Fjord characteristics. Every breed has some faults, cross breeding a TB > mare for instance with the Fjord can breed out some of the "hot" and add > more bone. This would make a better performance animal. > > I can understand the idea of keeping a breed pure for survival of the breed. > This breed however will not be hurt by crossbreeding of stallions. Other > breeds out there could use some of these characteristics. I think the Fjord > crosses would excell in many different areas which would in turn help > promote the Fjord horse, widening the market! Wake up people, half the sport > horses competing for this country in international competitions are cross > breeds of one sort or another. Why not promote your horses this way allowing > stallions to crossbreed? > > > Thanks > Anna > > >From: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > >Subject: Re: a question for the list > >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:54:30 -0500 > > > >This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >At 09:21 AM 3/22/00 -0800, you wrote: > >>This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>Dear list members: > >> > >>I am not a Fjord Association member. I have just one Fjord, I bought him > >>to ride and do breed promos. I was told the other day that the Fjord > >>association does not allow cross breeding and will pull papers on a horse > >>that is cross bred. > > > >If it is the "Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry" that your talking about then > >the answer is yes that is true. The NFHR does not allow > >crossbreeding. Here is the exact text of the rule: > >== > >In the interest of protecting the genetic purity and the highest standards > >of the Fjord horse, we will withdraw from the Norwegian Fjord Horse > >Registry any mare or stallion that is used for crossbreeding with another > >breed or species. Violators will have their membership suspended and will > >lose all membership privileges including registration, transfer of horses > >and any voting rights. The names of owners and horses will be placed on the > >suspended list. > >== > > > >> The ultimate goal in breeding anything is to produce something better in > >>terms of conformation, movement, and temperment. > > > >There is
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This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >what harm is there in >breeding a stallion to other breeds of mares? The ultimate goal in breeding >anything is to produce something better in terms of conformation, movement, >and temperment. Anna ... we are very awake ... I am with those who believe this breed to be unique in looks and behavior; and in genotype too, we've recently found out. Fjords are very different from other horses and don't always cross well. I have seen some photos of very ugly Fjord crosses and some of nice Fjord crosses. But are the best results an improvement over either breed? What could you be trying to produce with a Fjord cross? A fabulous family horse? a handsome steady pony to compete in driving, do packing or to do farm work? a best friend and trail companion? a very handsome smooth moving mount for basic dressage that you don't need a ladder to get up on? What could you cross with a Fjordhorse to beat the real thing? At this point in time, I see no good reason to cross this breed with anything else, especially since there are many reports of cross-breds being passed off as pure-breds. Since the Fjord is so special, and I've heard that crosses do not necessarily pick up the wonderful Fjord temperament, I don't think it would be favorable to the breed to allow crosses. There are already hundreds of thousands of cross-bred ponies and horses out there that desperately need good homes ... pure-breds too, for that matter. If a related breed like the Freisian, or the Highland, or Fell Pony, or the Icelandic, or a draft breed grew genetically weak through small numbers or heavy linebreeding and they asked us to infuse their breed with a dose of the Fjords genetic strength (like the Pointers did for the Dalmatians in the '80's) I certainly could not see turning them down. >>><<< Meredith Sessoms >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot
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This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna Rousseau wrote: > > I am not a Fjord Association member. I have just one Fjord, I bought him to > ride and do breed promos. I was told the other day that the Fjord > association does not allow cross breeding and will pull papers on a horse > that is cross bred. Well, I do not know if that is true or not, but I find > this ridiculous Dear Anna: The Fjord is very prepotent genetically. This means that a Fjord-cross will look very Fjord-like. The reason for that is that the Norwegians, by virtue of their geographical isolation and the fact they realized they had a good thing in the Fjordhorse, carefully protected the purity of the breed and did not outcross (with the exception of the Rimfakse incident). The Europeans have spent a lot of time and effort to keep the Fjordhorse purebred and to improve the breed, by evaluating the quality of all their horses and breeding the best to the best. They judge their horses on conformation, conformance to breed standard, and performance in a wide variety of activities. For North Americans to come along and think "we can do better" by outcrossing, thereby destroying the purity of the breed, would be a violation of the years and years of protection and preservation that the Europeans have devoted to this most unique horse. It would be a violation of the sacred trust and stewardship we have in the Fjordhorse breed. I don't really care if it would improve another breed, or if most of the sporthorses out there are crosses, or whatever. The purebred Fjordhorse has what it takes to go to the top in many disciplines, and for those disciplines that he doesn't, well, I'm sure there are breeds that do. I hope that makes sense. Lori
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anna, there is nothing wrong with improving a breed but that is in the eye of the beholder. I think you are a bit strong in the"nazi" reference. Groups form for certain purposes. Nfhr is there to maintain the breed as it now is. Form your own group, "Fjords for the improvement of the quarter horse" Give those poor "improved" quarterhorses a neck that holds their head up and feet they can stand on. Or "Fjords for the improvement of Arabs." Give them girth and a soft temperament. But do not try to change an established group to fit your needs. You have a lot to offer I am sure. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1) << The ultimate goal in breeding anything is to produce something better in terms of conformation, movement, and temperment. There isn't anything better than a pure bred Norwegian Fjord. >> I disagree. There may be a cross that is more suitable for a certain discipline than the purebred Fjord. What breeds would not exist today if there was no crossbreeding allowed in any other breeds? That is very narrow minded. That is like the Nazi's idea that only the light skinned, light eyed type of people were with any intelligence or athletic ability. 2) <> Well, I said nothing about breeding a good Fjord to a bad mare of any other breed. There are good mares of other breeds that would benefit from some good Fjord characteristics. Every breed has some faults, cross breeding a TB mare for instance with the Fjord can breed out some of the "hot" and add more bone. This would make a better performance animal. I can understand the idea of keeping a breed pure for survival of the breed. This breed however will not be hurt by crossbreeding of stallions. Other breeds out there could use some of these characteristics. I think the Fjord crosses would excell in many different areas which would in turn help promote the Fjord horse, widening the market! Wake up people, half the sport horses competing for this country in international competitions are cross breeds of one sort or another. Why not promote your horses this way allowing stallions to crossbreed? Thanks Anna From: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: a question for the list Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:54:30 -0500 This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:21 AM 3/22/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear list members: I am not a Fjord Association member. I have just one Fjord, I bought him to ride and do breed promos. I was told the other day that the Fjord association does not allow cross breeding and will pull papers on a horse that is cross bred. If it is the "Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry" that your talking about then the answer is yes that is true. The NFHR does not allow crossbreeding. Here is the exact text of the rule: == In the interest of protecting the genetic purity and the highest standards of the Fjord horse, we will withdraw from the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry any mare or stallion that is used for crossbreeding with another breed or species. Violators will have their membership suspended and will lose all membership privileges including registration, transfer of horses and any voting rights. The names of owners and horses will be placed on the suspended list. == The ultimate goal in breeding anything is to produce something better in terms of conformation, movement, and temperment. There isn't anything better than a pure bred Norwegian Fjord. I think a Fjord stallion could better a lot of breeds of mares. Why is that wrong? Because breeding a Good Fjord Stallion to a BAD mare of another breed will most likely not produce a "Better" horse. Please, explain this issue to me, I hope that this information that I received is incorrect. Looking forward to that response. These are my opinions only. If you want to get the official opinion of the NFHR then contact the President - Dennis Johnson. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: "Laurie Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > what harm is there in > breeding a stallion to other breeds of mares? The ultimate goal in breeding > anything is to produce something better in terms of conformation, movement, > and temperment. > > > Hi Anne, I know that others on the list can explain it better than me, but I can tell you that the few crosses I've seen are anything but an improvement. To make it worse, since the cross tends to look so much like a fjord, the fjord tends to get the blame for the faults. JMO, but I think that the fjord is too unique a breed to mess with or to use to try to improve another breed. Laurie
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This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Anna. I don't actually know the system in the US very well but as this was discussed on the list some time ago you might find the emails in the archives? According to the discussion one of the main reasons for the ban in the US was because crosses often look a lot like purebred Fjords. The dun colour is very dominant and many other traits typical of a Fjord seem to be passed on quite easily, too. That's why some Fjord breeders are afraid that it will get out of control - that people won't be able to know which is a Fjord and which is a cross. And that this mixup would lead a lot of problems - prices of pure Fjords and the reputation of pure Fjords being one thing. Best wishes Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
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This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:21 AM 3/22/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear list members: I am not a Fjord Association member. I have just one Fjord, I bought him to ride and do breed promos. I was told the other day that the Fjord association does not allow cross breeding and will pull papers on a horse that is cross bred. If it is the "Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry" that your talking about then the answer is yes that is true. The NFHR does not allow crossbreeding. Here is the exact text of the rule: == In the interest of protecting the genetic purity and the highest standards of the Fjord horse, we will withdraw from the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry any mare or stallion that is used for crossbreeding with another breed or species. Violators will have their membership suspended and will lose all membership privileges including registration, transfer of horses and any voting rights. The names of owners and horses will be placed on the suspended list. == The ultimate goal in breeding anything is to produce something better in terms of conformation, movement, and temperment. There isn't anything better than a pure bred Norwegian Fjord. I think a Fjord stallion could better a lot of breeds of mares. Why is that wrong? Because breeding a Good Fjord Stallion to a BAD mare of another breed will most likely not produce a "Better" horse. Please, explain this issue to me, I hope that this information that I received is incorrect. Looking forward to that response. These are my opinions only. If you want to get the official opinion of the NFHR then contact the President - Dennis Johnson. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike
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This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear list members: I am not a Fjord Association member. I have just one Fjord, I bought him to ride and do breed promos. I was told the other day that the Fjord association does not allow cross breeding and will pull papers on a horse that is cross bred. Well, I do not know if that is true or not, but I find this ridiculous. I can understand the idea of not crossing mares as they can only produce one foal a year and this could harm the breed in the long run since they are not so abundant. On the other hand, what harm is there in breeding a stallion to other breeds of mares? The ultimate goal in breeding anything is to produce something better in terms of conformation, movement, and temperment. I think a Fjord stallion could better a lot of breeds of mares. Why is that wrong? Please, explain this issue to me, I hope that this information that I received is incorrect. Looking forward to that response. Thank you, Anna __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
