beet pulp
This message is from: sandra church After getting Loki 13 years ago, I learned from his previous owner that he needed beet pulp to keep him from having "cow piles". He has a very sensitive digestive system and still gets "runny" at times so I go through our usual routine of using Sand Clear for a week and if that doesn't help then I start giving Loki probiotics daily. I've learned that he can not tolerate hay that has rye which is usually in the first cuttings. Also, he can not tolerate hay that has been treated with weed killer which is more likely to be with second & third cuttings...so I'm ready to give up on the local hay! He also does better if he has pasture 24/7 but there is no grass here this time of year. We had a wonderful trail ride yesterday at a state park but I managed to fall before I even took Loki off the trailer! I had cleaned up the manure so he & his buddy wouldn't slip coming out of the trailer. Then I shoved the (ancient) muck bucket with my foot but my foot went through the side of the muck bucket & got stuck & I fell flat on my back. I swear I could hear Loki "giggling" at the ridiculous scene. Today he managed to scare the daylights out of me...he didn't appear to be in his pasture & I was panicked after searching the entire field. Then I heard some leaves rustling & he was "camouflaged" in some underbrush at the very back of his field. Never a dull minute with Loki around... Happy New Year-Sandra & Loki in Va. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: S K My Fjords don't get any more grain than usual...I feed 2 cups of grain in a.m. with 1 quart of beet pulp...I put in just enough water as not to burn or let it stick..I put it on high heat and as soon as it starts to boil I take it off the stove and let it swellmaking sure it's All swelledif not, I add more waterI leave it in pan with the cover on for about 15 minutes...I then take it out to the barn and take the cover off to let it steam so it's not too hot...They love a warm breakfastFor grain I feed Poulin They get the same thing in the evenings.They love it! Not any problems anymore with my young J.J. He too use to have very loose stools... From: "jhalst7...@aol.com" To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:19 PM Subject: Beet pulp This message is from: jhalst7...@aol.com My Fjord, Patrick, also has what I call "runny butt" periodically. His manure is fine but he apparently has excess liquid in his gut. Cleaning his rear is not fun in the cold! I changed him from first to second cut hay several years ago and that helped a little but for same reason the last batch of second cut has started the problem up again. I do get nervous because he had to have colic surgery three years ago and that was followed three months later with EPM! He has been doing so well, being ridden again etc., except for the runny rear end which just started up again in the fall. It seems to be related to the weather also. When there is a sudden change in temperature it gets a little worse. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm really interested in the comments about beet pulp. How much should be given? Do you have to reduce the grain? Patrick currently gets Blue Seal Trotter pellets both morning and night and hay three times a day. I know he would LOVE to get more edible stuff! Carol and Patrick in CT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: What I discovered with beet pulp pellets
This message is from: Debbie LeBreton Hi; I have had the same problem with my horses. Just to let you know I have seen it running down the legs and the gas that goes with it, well I have the smartest vet. He told me to mix beet pulp with soy pellet(half and half) soaked and feed them alittle. Enough to get the minerals in them, plus TIMOTHY HAY with abit of alfafa in it, if you ride your horses alot (add a little more alfafa). Our horses are getting to much soft hay that their tummys can not take. Since I have did what he said, Both my horses do not have any stomach problems or poop problems. It is so nice to clean the poop up and my both my horses have way more energy. The chewing on the timothy keeps them busy longer and has given them more energy. Try it out and enjoy your normal horses.Debbie > Subject: What I discovered with beet pulp pellets > From: roseormu...@ywave.com > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:02:34 -0800 > To: fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: Rose or Murph > > > I think I have finally found an answer to my mare,s on and off runny loose piles. It was never like a bad case of diarrhea, where the horse is runny for days or ill. Sometimes piles would be soft but solid, followed by a small amount of water deposited in the tail and down the legs. I had,over the years tried every kind of hay except alfalfa, still no change. I have tried many supplements which never took care of the problem. After many visits with my vet, it was narrowed down to a very sensitive stomach, and the loose manure problem was from the hay. > > i had read beet pulp can help with loose manure. As an experiment, I measured out after they had soaked 1.5 pounds of beet pulp pellets and started to feed that in the evening. Over the course of two weeks I noticed the manure was still soft, but better, not as much liquid after the pile passed, also less gas when the mare is ridden, and less mess to clean up off the horses backside. > > I then started to feed 1.5 pounds in the am to see if that made a difference. It has made a big difference. Her piles are now more normal well formed apples, than loose. She seems much happier under saddle, her stomach used to rumble, followed by lots of gas while being ridden. I still get a few toots here and there while she is being ridden but not the long artillery fire which did worry me that something must be wrong. I had noticed at times her belly looked slightly distended around the flank area, this too has gone away. > > I was worried about weight gain but have not had a problem with that as my mare is being ridden regularly. > > I am very happy with the improvement I am seeing. I thought I would share if anyone else out there has the same issue with their fjord. > > Rosemary and Snowys Farra, who is doing fabulous in her dressage training. Her gaits are feeling more like some larger horses I have ridden in the past. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Beet pulp
This message is from: jhalst7...@aol.com My Fjord, Patrick, also has what I call "runny butt" periodically. His manure is fine but he apparently has excess liquid in his gut. Cleaning his rear is not fun in the cold! I changed him from first to second cut hay several years ago and that helped a little but for same reason the last batch of second cut has started the problem up again. I do get nervous because he had to have colic surgery three years ago and that was followed three months later with EPM! He has been doing so well, being ridden again etc., except for the runny rear end which just started up again in the fall. It seems to be related to the weather also. When there is a sudden change in temperature it gets a little worse. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm really interested in the comments about beet pulp. How much should be given? Do you have to reduce the grain? Patrick currently gets Blue Seal Trotter pellets both morning and night and hay three times a day. I know he would LOVE to get more edible stuff! Carol and Patrick in CT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: What I discovered with beet pulp pellets
This message is from: S K Hi Kim, I also once had a QH who had a sensitive tummy...I started her right on the soaked beet pult and Voila! no more colic! She didn't gain weight from it whatsoever...I don't even measure it out with my Fjords half the time...I can pretty much judge by looking how much their getting... I also had an Arabian mare some time ago who also had that sensitive stomach. She thrived on the beet pulp... I give it to my dogs also when they need a nice warm breakfast Hope this helps Susan... From: Kim Manzoni To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com" Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: Re: What I discovered with beet pulp pellets This message is from: Kim Manzoni Hi Rosemary Thank you for that information. I have been battling the same issue with my QH gelding, Toby. I have had blood work, stool samples, vet visits and more supplements than I can count. With little success. He is an overweight under worked QH so I am concerned the beet pulp would add weight. Also, he is prone to colic (sensitive tummy?) so that is something else for me to consider. But, I will mention this all to my vet the next time she comes out to see what she thinks. It might be the answer for him too. Thank you for sharing!! Its great that horsepeople dont keep info to themselves and we like to share our knowledge. -Kim in Md... tired of cleaning poop butts. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Beet Pulp Pellets
This message is from: S K Hi Dianne, I also feed soaked beet pulp...I make a nice hot mash on the cold winter mornings, they Love it! I have two Norwegian Fjords one 10 and his brother who is 4. They get a quart mixed right into their feed every morning..if it's a real cold day, they also get it at night... I'm a firm believer on beat pulp! Susan in -0 degree in Maine From: Dianne White To: Fjord list Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:44 AM Subject: Beet Pulp Pellets This message is from: Dianne White We started feeding soaked beet pulp pellets after my Fjord colicked 10 years ago on our vet's recommendation. He has never colicked again. We now feed all of our horses beet pulp daily in the evening. Our horses have not gotten fat. We have also noted that we have never lost a horse to colic that was on beet pulp. I'm not saying that it prevents colic, because we feed hay as well, but the horses that are on beet pulp have survived even the worst bouts. And I agree that it helps keep them hydrated in the cold Colorado winter months. Dianne in -6 degrees in Western Colorado Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
What I discovered with beet pulp pellets
This message is from: Rose or Murph I think I have finally found an answer to my mare,s on and off runny loose piles. It was never like a bad case of diarrhea, where the horse is runny for days or ill. Sometimes piles would be soft but solid, followed by a small amount of water deposited in the tail and down the legs. I had,over the years tried every kind of hay except alfalfa, still no change. I have tried many supplements which never took care of the problem. After many visits with my vet, it was narrowed down to a very sensitive stomach, and the loose manure problem was from the hay. i had read beet pulp can help with loose manure. As an experiment, I measured out after they had soaked 1.5 pounds of beet pulp pellets and started to feed that in the evening. Over the course of two weeks I noticed the manure was still soft, but better, not as much liquid after the pile passed, also less gas when the mare is ridden, and less mess to clean up off the horses backside. I then started to feed 1.5 pounds in the am to see if that made a difference. It has made a big difference. Her piles are now more normal well formed apples, than loose. She seems much happier under saddle, her stomach used to rumble, followed by lots of gas while being ridden. I still get a few toots here and there while she is being ridden but not the long artillery fire which did worry me that something must be wrong. I had noticed at times her belly looked slightly distended around the flank area, this too has gone away. I was worried about weight gain but have not had a problem with that as my mare is being ridden regularly. I am very happy with the improvement I am seeing. I thought I would share if anyone else out there has the same issue with their fjord. Rosemary and Snowys Farra, who is doing fabulous in her dressage training. Her gaits are feeling more like some larger horses I have ridden in the past. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Colic advice/ beet pulp
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been giving them a handful of beet pulp for about a year, just to mix their supplements into (per the advice of Beth Valentine, draft horse nutritional "expert". The vet suggested making it even wetter than it is (actually leaving it soupy rather than just fully soaked and expanded, and adding a teaspoon of salt for good measure if it looked like they were not drinking enough. Hard to tell which they'd prefer - beet pulp or hay, but I'm pretty sure if the calorie choice was theirs, they'd stick with the hay!! Kate **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I totally agree I use beet pulp here and it is a bit of an inconvenience. but a lot less than standing with a sick horse waiting for the vet to come ( which takes them for ever )! It also makes the hay go farther. I use about 3 lbs. less per horse per day when I have the beet pulp going. With the hay prices going up so much it can't hurt. The problem I have is my Fjords who gain weight on air. I feed them almost nothing and they are still chunky. I can't exercise them all day every day, or can I?? : ). Roberta MN The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I too have received 3 of these, apparently Ruthie's computer or another one using Ruthie's address, is sending a "bad" message to the Fjordhorse list, which then removes the attachment and sends it on to the list members. I don't know if Ruthie's computer is infected or if it s a "spoof" address using her name and address for the sender. ...Jean DON'T KNOW what's going on Jean... I hesitated to respond on this as I recall Steve doesn't like Equine space used for dirty viral talk =))) But I would like to proclaim my innocence! I did a total Symantec scan here this morning and found ZERO viruses... so it must be some kind of a deal that uses my address...? Beyond my computer expertise... maybe Steve can figure it out. Ruthie, nw mt
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I too have received 3 of these, apparently Ruthie's computer or another one using Ruthie's address, is sending a "bad" message to the Fjordhorse list, which then removes the attachment and sends it on to the list members. I don't know if Ruthie's computer is infected or if it s a "spoof" address using her name and address for the sender. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, sunny and warm today! 55 degrees. > >I have received about 3 maybe 4 of these with a web address >http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/enduser.php3 > >subject line Thank You > >No clue what it means > >Roberta > > >- Original Message - >From: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 12:00 AM >Subject: Re: Beet pulp > > >> This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Ruthie, any idea why I receive a warning notice with your address on it? >> Have had three so far. Jean Gayle >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Author >> "The Colonel's Daughter" >> Occupied Germany 46-49 >> Send $20 to: >> PO Box 104 >> Montesano, WA 98563
Beet pulp
Hi, Susan from Co. For those of you using beet pulp, please be careful . Beet pulp can put weight on your fjords and the sugar content is not good either. the old saying less in better. Especially with Fjords. Beet pulp can be given to alot of other horse breeds, quarter horses , etc. when weight is an issue as they get older. Breeds like fjords and Arabs , beet pulp can be too much sugar for their systems.
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Me too Ruthie I figured it was a glitch in the internet Highway. Or your have some underlying devious plan : )) I have received about 3 maybe 4 of these with a web address http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/enduser.php3 subject line Thank You No clue what it means Roberta - Original Message - From: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Beet pulp > This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Ruthie, any idea why I receive a warning notice with your address on it? > Have had three so far. Jean Gayle > > > > > > > > Author > "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 46-49 > Send $20 to: > PO Box 104 > Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ruthie, any idea why I receive a warning notice with your address on it? Have had three so far. Jean Gayle Author "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 46-49 Send $20 to: PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
RE: Beet pulp
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ruthie, Why do you have your hay hauled in from Idaho when you can just reach across that one fence (into Idaho)? For those of you that my not understand my "dig" at Ruth, the Bushnell property is in Montana, but one fence line of theirs IS the state line. Lovely...lovely place. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98 Subject: Re: Beet pulp This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ruthie, what kind of grass do you have in your pasture? Jean Ernest Our winter hay is all grass/timothy hauled in from Idaho, plus plain salt blocks and water 24/7. Ruthie, nw mt
(beet) pulp fiction?
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I too did a search re. beet pulp processing ( killing foliage to aid in processing) which would seem to cause high levels of residual herbicide concentration in the end product. Found nothing; nada. I don't doubt Kelley,she seems a dedicated and passionate horseperson, but if this is only her anectdotal experince, that's all it is IMO*. I know many responsible horsefolks who use beet pulp, and have not heard of such dire outcomes.* Perhaps this is an isolated regional problem involving the local mill from whence this stuff comes from in eastern Washington. I can only think that perhaps the beet pulp that is available to them up there is perhaps a secondary grade, and maybe has some residual herbicide on it? But then, from what I know of many registered herbicides, especially those used on food crops, there is documented info re. 1/2 life of chemicals applied. Unbless of course, the herbicides used are cooked out thru normal sugar beet processingany sugar beet brainiacs out there?! I had a coincidentall experience ysterday, while cruising the trade show area of the Snaffle bit Futurity up in Reno yesterday afternoon( LOTSA overpriced rhinestone cowbow crap mixed in w/ some totally awesome horse tack & trappings) There was a TDI booth there, and they are starting to market an import from England, Speedy Beet. It has 2 things going for it: it has no molasses (extar sugars) and it only takes 10 minutes to soak up 'til its ready to feed. here is a link:http://www.ianson.co.uk/speedi.htmlI didn't pick up a sample bag, but you could probably get some samples thru your local feedstore that stocks TDI products, which is the only daily 'supplement' I feed my pastured air ferns, TDI 10. My oldest TDI 10 user is my 26 y.o. stallion, Sven, the youngest, his 5 month old filly, Oreanna. For what it's worth, Sven still has all his teeth, his back is fine, and his libido, is, er, just fine thanks!Kmac FREE!
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have four acres of field and Gunnar occupies about two and a half acres of it. I have lived here twenty five years and never cultivated or fertilized. There are daisies and dandelions galore. Sometimes tansy ragwort appears but only once did my big Charlie eat it when he was a foal. I do not want lush pasture and I do feed year round. Gunnar gets down to handfuls of eastern Wa grass hay when the founder season is on or if he gains too much weight. Jean, I was glad to hear that about the grass being sweeter during frosts and as it is dying back. Gunnar has fooled me with his heavy coat and the Vet felt he was too fat. So its handfuls again. My only worry with him is whether he is getting sufficient selenium. I give him supplements twice a week with selenium traces. He appears just fine going on twenty but I know fjords can fool you and then become seriously ill in short order. Jean Gayle Author "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 46-49 Send $20 to: PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ruthie, what kind of grass do you have in your pasture? Jean Ernest It's natural mountain meadow grass Jean... with a smattering of Timothy... seems to be just right. We don't let them eat around the clock either, start them out in the spring on half days and work up to eight hours as the summer progresses. Should knock on wood I guess, but in the past ten-fifteen years we've never had one bit of diet related trouble with around 20 Fjords. (amt varies) Our winter hay is all grass/timothy hauled in from Idaho, plus plain salt blocks and water 24/7. Ruthie, nw mt
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Green Grass is great most of the time, but can contain high levels of sugars known as fructans which can cause laminitis. There is a very good article in the April 2004 EQUUS "Danger in the Grass". surprizingly, grass can be very high in sugars (fructans) at times when it is half dead, freezing at night, and Hay can also retain High levels of fructans. Weather conditions and pasture management all affect the level. Ruthie, what kind of grass do you have in your pasture? Apparently the newer varieties developed for dairy pastures have especially high levels of fructans. My little 1 acre pasture is getting overgown with fireweed, raspberries, etc. I do try to; mow it yearly, but the horses do love to eat the various "weeds', raspberries, etc. I can let tham have 2-3 hours during the summer on it without the pasture being damaged..I fertilize it in the spring every year. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaskla, clear after a freezing rain last night..roads are ice! >We also use PLAIN rolled oats, for youngsters or for working. We're >fortunate to have lots of forage here and there's just nothing better than >natural green grass, Mother Nature's Grand Design for the metabolic rhythm >of a horse. > >Ruthie, nw mt
Re[2]: Beet pulp
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean-- Sunday, October 3, 2004, you wrote: > ...And I can't find any good reference searching Google about beet > pulp being bad for horses or other animals...Where is this factual > information about beet pulp being bad? From the Dynamite feed > company? I would like to see the scientific studies, facts, etc. > Just the facts, Mam! I was recently told on a dog list how bad Halti head collars were for dogs. Since my experience had been to the contrary, I went searching for the truth. It turned out that I found many positive recommendations on vet's Web sites, including one 15 year study begging for anyone with documented bad experience to contact them. On the other hand, the negative information I found was entirely on lists and blogs, posted by individuals without one shred of proof. Unlike most urban legends, these folks didn't even know someone who knew someone who had a bad experience. They just had gained their knowledge from some unknowable source. My point being, it's pretty easy to find negative comments on any topic with enough time on the search engines, but finding information with scientific basis is sometimes difficult. This is especially true when you are trying to refute a negative. BTW, if beet pulp leads to hyperactive Fjords it must be the only thing keeping Tank on his feet. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper & Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle. --Winston Churchill
beet pulp
This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've fed beet pulp, soaked in water, for many years, found it when we'd moved to colder temps, and loved it. Its a wonderful way of getting more water in them in the winter. Not only do they get the water in the beet pulp, but I watch and they then go and drink more water. I've been fortunate that I have access to wonderful, clean beet pulp but I have heard of some who have gotten some that wasn't so good. I think its a wonderful idea that Jean said, pouring out the water to get rid of the access sugar, if thats a concern, I've never worried about it. My guys don't get that much of it, they aren't in poor condition, its just a way to get more water in their gut in the winter. If I had an older one in bad shape, first making sure his teeth were OK and maybe doing a blood test, I wouldn't have a problem putting him on a larger amount of beet pulp, most likely would soak a wonderful hay in water for them too, add vege oil. Their are things you can do that won't cost an arm or a leg. I had a friend who shook the wonderful leaves of the alfalfa flakes into her older horses feed bin. The horse was in wonderful shape. Hopefully the horse owners are aware of their older horses conditions daily so as to not let them get emaciated, especially in the winter when its an uphill battle. Please remember too, that long hair can sure hide the fact that your horse is underweight or dropping weight. Take care everyone. Debby
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So maybe we, humans, shouldn't be using beet sugar? And I can't find any good reference searching Google about beet pulp being bad for horses or other animals. .Where is this factual information about beet pulp being bad? Jean -- "humans shouldn't be using beet sugar..?" HAH, you're right about that, I regard sugar in a whole new light since researching sugar beets! (..would that MY portion be withheld! =)) Yes, it's very easy to find many sites which speak favorably about beet pulp, but I searched for the "needle in the haystack" ..using multiple search engines and feeding multiple query combinations, in order to glean multiple information enough for my brief compilation of comment.. most all of which would bring up the source if a particular phrase were keyed in... I mostly used Yahoo, Google, Mamma, Altavista, and Dogpile. We "treat" our horses with a handful of good quality hay... judging by their response you'd think it was a candy bar! Speaking of candy bars, would a child's sensible and preferable diet include a generous sugar portion every day just because they love it and it makes them energetic (hyper)? We also use PLAIN rolled oats, for youngsters or for working. We're fortunate to have lots of forage here and there's just nothing better than natural green grass, Mother Nature's Grand Design for the metabolic rhythm of a horse. Ruthie, nw mt
Re: Beet pulp
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So maybe we, humans, shouldn't be using beet sugar? And I can't find any good reference searching Google about beet pulp being bad for horses or other animals. Friends of mine have a 40 year old pony who has been eating beet pulp with other supplements for at least 15 years and is in great health. Where is this factual information about beet pulp being bad? From the Dynamite feed company? I would like to see the scientific studies, facts, etc. Just the facts, Mam! Beet pulp often has molasses added to cut down on dust..you can pour the first soaking water off to get rid of the excess sugar. Some hay also has a high sugar content, and can be soaked and rinsed to get rid of the excess sugar. All the references I can find seem to indicate that beet pulp is an ecellent source of fiber and a good addition to the feed for horses as well as other animals so I would REALLY like to see the references showing that it is bad stuff! I haven't fed it myself altho it might be in the Senior feed that I am giving 29 year old Bjarne. He looks wonderful since I started feeding him Equine senior, fresh ground Flax and Ration Plus digestive aid. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, raining tonight and warming up to 50-55 tomorrow! > >"Hello Beet pulp is still full of the sugars that came from the plant. >The sugars are hard on the Pancreas and in turn affect the Longissimuss >muscle in the topline of the horse. They grew beet pulp here in the valley >years ago and they kill the plant with ugly toxins before harvest and yes >those toxins get into the pulp and are then transfered to the horse which is >hard on the Liver. Sometimes makes for "false" weight look
Beet pulp
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Hello Beet pulp is still full of the sugars that came from the plant. The sugars are hard on the Pancreas and in turn affect the Longissimuss muscle in the topline of the horse. They grew beet pulp here in the valley years ago and they kill the plant with ugly toxins before harvest and yes those toxins get into the pulp and are then transfered to the horse which is hard on the Liver. Sometimes makes for "false" weight look Thanks for your response on the beet pulp. I think I gave my last feeding of it tonight. I hope Green Acres will take back the unopened bag. I was very disappointed to hear the negative side. I really like to give my Fjords a reason to come to the barn at night and they loved the beet pulp. I thought I was giving them a benign low calorie product that wouldn't put weight on them. I don't know what to do now, other than go back to a cup of Strategy. Onna
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This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Here's what my knowledgeable friend has to say about beet pulp as a no-no for horses. She gives no sweet feed either. - Peg > Thanks for sharing your friend's thoughts on this fascinating subject Peg. Ever since this came up I have been digging into the beet pulp Internet archives and discovered it is an endless subject.. very interesting material! I saw many negative references about feeding horses any sweet product also. I believe it was on an Icelandic site that I saw the quote, "we may not call them ponies, but we should feed them like ponies." One equine nutritionist warned against ever feeding any molasses and grain product to draft animals, okay for QH's and TBs, but not for a pony metabolism. (causes joint problems) I discovered pretty much what your friend mentions, the importance of the traceability of feedstuffs bought off farm; agricultural dire chemical applications (tetraconazole), questionable preservative measures, a mill that possibly overlaps processes and lacks sterile precautions, the quality of extraction (some advertise, "our beet pulp contains no sugar," which would imply that some do). The complexities of PH control in a sugar mill is a critical parameter in the process of separation of sucrose from fiber. As an assurance program it is recommended requesting a vendor declaration, which can trace the ingredients to their source. I also saw that particular care with storage is critical as beet pulp can develop poisonous fungal toxins. There are extensive studies being done on the fermentation of SBP and how it relates to nutritionally caused diseases. One site said that a pound of beet pulp has the same calories as a pound of oats (only in fiber form) so this could be termed a very rich mix.. recommended to never be over 50% of the feed intake as most soluble fiber is very high in starch and is somewhat likened to that of sugar. A diet filled with grains, preservatives, additives, or sweeteners does not keep a horse healthy.. it only makes their metabolic system work overtime to get rid of these ingredients that it can not use. My impression of all that I read, about the nutritional ramfications of sugar beet pulp, is that we are only in the preliminary research stage and that we're going to be hearing a lot more about it in the future. Ruthie, nw mt
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This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here's what my knowledgeable friend has to say about beet pulp as a no-no for horses. She gives no sweet feed either. - Peg "Hello Beet pulp is still full of the sugars that came from the plant. The sugars are hard on the Pancreas and in turn affect the Longissimuss muscle in the topline of the horse. They grew beet pulp here in the valley years ago and they kill the plant with ugly toxins before harvest and yes those toxins get into the pulp and are then transfered to the horse which is hard on the Liver. Sometimes makes for "false" weight look but most important, it is the toxicity that is dangerous. Many horses that have come in to the rehab are checked out mentally or weak physically that are on beet pulp. Not allowed in my barn ever again after seeing some of the horses on it. Do some reading up on how they harvest beet pulp and you then can make your own informed choice of what you choose to feed your horse. Hope this helps, always here for the horses! :) Be well, Kelley" Peg Knutsen www.elltel.net/kffjord/
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I would like to know why Kelly is so against beet pulp. I have been feeding beet pulps to my horses every day. So far I haven't found anything bad about it. That includes what I have read about it or from my own experience. Thank you in advance for you information. Onna
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This message is from: "Gwenn & Paul Beaupre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've used beet pulp for a VERY poor keeper I "horse sat" for three months. One quart beet pulp to three cool quarts water, & leave it in the fridge to absorb through the day so bacteria doesnt develop... or use hot water & let sit for an hour and a half. As she got that much twice a day, but you start low (one cup to three water??) & dont move up until you know you need to & it's well accepted. Its important to make sure you've stirred the water all the way through or you'll end up with a dry "pocket" of pulp in the middle which can cause problems (I know, everything for horses can cause problems *grin*).. I add my grain, stir it in & serve.. That mare was also on free feed hay & a flake of alfafa every morning. She gained enough to look nearly plump by the time she went home. I've found that three (water) to one (beet pulp) occasionally leaves a bit of liquid in the bottom of the bucket, but the horses seem to like that too & I'd rather have too much water.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roberta, I was soaking the beet pulp and I guess the Senior feed since it's extruded doesn't have the same effect. I thought it was curious also as have used beet pulp for years without this happening. So I consulted the Vet who said it's actually more common than people realize just most horses don't end up with as big a bloat problem as Chareata does. So as usual with horses live and learn. Robyn
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This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Re: beet pulp > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > One comment on feeding beet pulp especially to seniors. It can occassionally > cause them to bloat to the point they get down and can't get up. My anglo/arab > mare (32 years old) was put on it as a supplement for forage besides her > Equine Senior. Robyn, Were you soaking the beetpulp, and is the senior feed you are feeding also have the beet pulp in it?? Many do and if it isn't soaked I can see it causing bloat. I am just courious since I have never herd of this and am feeding it my self. Thanks, Roberta
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This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I feed beet pulp pellets. I don't like the shreds - more expensive. I feed 1 cup of beet pulp twice a day and mix in supplement and flax seed and for some extra straight oats(added a feeding time). I prepare the beet pulp at each feeding for the next feeding. Water should be adequate for it to really soak up the pulp and make it mushy. Start with twice as much water as pulp and see how it works. Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One comment on feeding beet pulp especially to seniors. It can occassionally cause them to bloat to the point they get down and can't get up. My anglo/arab mare (32 years old) was put on it as a supplement for forage besides her Equine Senior. Several weeks later we noticed she would get down and roll and not be able to get up. Looking at her down she was extremely bloated - one day the farrier was here when she did it. He squashed the bloat in with his knees (don'tknow how else to describe it) and after an immense fart - she came right up. I decided the only change for her recently was the beet pulp so stopped it and problem solved. Now for forage for those old teeth I use a tree limb shredder to grind up hay and she consumes it all. Just got her tumor biopsy back (two in her ear canal) and all is well it was benign. Put her on flax seed oil which is supposed to shrink tumors in case there were any others. Robyn im MD
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Could someone tell me how much shredded beet pulp to feed? Is the measurement done on dry or after it has been soaked? Thanks Jeanie Lambert Texas
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This message is from: "Laurie Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Michele, Be careful about bring warm water to your mare. Don't do it unless you KNOW that you can do it ALL the time. (Are you feeding more than twice a day?). Once you start doing this, some horses will refuse to drink the colder water from the tank. Laurie in NW Washington
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Thank you for all the advice on the bunking in between my mare and the yearling, He came out tonight, so he was only in a week or so, and im pretty sure all is well, she was still bossing and biting him around and he is still afraid of her. One more arrangement change, Im sure glad i have more than one pasture. Jensina is doing well, We had just had her teeth done (a twice yearly thing) in October, and the vet checked them again the other day, We are going to make a mash out of her Equine Senior that she is on. Give her fresh warm water at every feeding in addition to the stock tank, We are still working on a hay replacement for her, Would alfalfa small pellets work? What do you guys know about beet pulp? and how much to give with her equine senior? I dont want to give her too much or too little of one thing or the other. I have learned to much from all of you this year, Thank you all very much and Im sure i'll learn ever so much more in the future Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to Everyone and their Fjords Sincerely, Mike and Michele Noonan Wild Hair Ranch Fjords Stevensville, Montana
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Michelle, Check these out for now. I'll try to find more later. http://shady-acres.com/susan/beetpulp.shtml http://listserv.dartmouth.edu/Archives/cd-l.html Jean in Faibanks, Alaska At 02:31 AM 12/12/1999 >What do you guys know about beet pulp? and how much to give with her equine >senior? I dont want to give her too much or too little of one thing or the >other. > >I have learned to much from all of you this year, Thank you all very much >and Im sure i'll learn ever so much more in the future >Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to Everyone and their Fjords > > >Sincerely, >Mike and Michele Noonan >Wild Hair Ranch Fjords >Stevensville, Montana > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hi Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - As I mentioned in a previous post, we feed beet pulp at our farm mixed with various grains and vitamins and minerals. In my post, I stressed that BEET PULP MUST BE SOAKED FOR SEVERAL HOURS! Someone else (I believe it was a vet) said there was disagreement about the necessity of soaking beet pulp. That worries me. The kind of beet pulp we feed is extruded pellets. This stuff MUST be soaked I can't state that strongly enough because one cup of pellets swells to fill half a five gallon bucket when soaked in warm water. You can imagine what that would do to the small stomach of a horse if he ate just one cup of the dry pellets. I have seen flaked beet pulp . . . and PERHAPS that form of the B.P. doesn't need to be soaked. In fact, that was the form Bill Long used, but he DID soak it. Perhaps there does exist a form of the stuff that doesn't need soaking, but I'm unfamiliar with it. Regards, cArol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Beet Pulp, Cantering, Book
This message is from: Sam & Sue Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello again. Just a few scattered thoughts. Beet Pulp - My sister uses beet pulp to help keep weight on her TB crosses she foxhunts. She feels the beet pulp works for her to keep the weight on but not make the horses too "hot". She has two kinds of beet pulp available at her feed stores, one needs more soaking and expands in volume much more than the other type of beet pulp. She uses the type that does not expand, and soaking it for a few minutes is all she does (she knows someone who feeds that type dry). There was a good discussion on beet pulp on the Carriage Driving List last year, you can probably go to the CD-L Archives on the Trot-On web site for more information. Hi Lindsay, glad you came out of lurker mode. Jean in Alaska - thanks for typing the information in on beet pulp and EPSM. Also, I think you were the one who recommended the books by Deb Bennett, Ph.D. _Principles of Conformation Analysis_. I ordered the books and they are wonderful! I also highly recommend these books - I feel much better prepared to learn and discuss conformation now, and I think everyone who is interested in breeding would benefit from these books. It gives a standardized descriptive language that can be used by everyone regardless of what type horse or horse useage they are interested in. The cantering problem discussed on the list recently is also discussed in these Conformation books. Besides explaining that certain body builds make it harder to canter, the author gives you exercises to help build up your horses muscles to make it easier for the horse to canter. For instance, I was told that it was good to trot cavelleti, but I was never told 'why' it was good (builds stomach muscles - horse can flex its lumbosacral joint better, tuck hindquarters under itself better for the 'leap' action of the canter, etc.). Obviously back pain, saddle fit problems and such need to be fixed first, but then you can build muscles. One of my horses did not canter well when I first got her. She needed chiropractic adjustments, I use an Orthoflex saddle, a year of (erratic) work, and now she canters on the trail and she does a passable Training Level dressage test. This is not a training book, but if you know what muscles or build (as in bone angles and length) are needed for certain performance jobs, you can work within your horse's ability and improve. It also gives me more sympathy for my horses' strengths and weaknesses. And instead of despairing that I don't have a natural eye for picking out an athletic horse, I can learn to improve my 'eye'. Thanks again, Jean. Sue Banks, Virginia, USA
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gayle and others, Here is some information about beetpulp that I had saved from the CD-L and Equine-L lists a year or so ago. *** I asked about Beet pulp on the net in various places. Here are some of the answers I got: Beet Pulp (dry) contains about the same amount of energy as alfalfa hay and about 20% to 30% more energy than grass hays. So you weigh your hay and subsititue pound for pound for legumes and 3/4 lb beet pulp for each lb of grass hay. Beet pulp makes for a very well balanced diet except for it is rich in calcium and very low in phosphorous. This could be a problem in growing foals if beet pulp is a significant portion (>30% in my opinion) of the diet. Both corn and oat based feeds with correct this problem. Alfalfa based feeds may exacerbate it. As Sue has mentioned many feel it needs to be soaked, but two large studies found no more problems with feeding it dry and I have clients that do this without problem. The Advisor Vet, RN Oglesby DVM Hi, I am in Wash. st. and have used beetpulp (soak it, 3 cups water to 1c pellets) for about 5 years. I have a barn with usually 12 horses to feed. I`ve used it most on the thoroughbred, hard keepers, who too much grain makes them too energetic for the hunter sceen. I feed my own mare 1cup pellets, which puffs up with the water added to 2 qts, which equates to one flake alfalfa, or a couple lbs of grain. I know people who feed large quantities, half a water bucket plus one cup corn oil to fatten up a horse for shipping, without making them hot. I like the pulp because of the water content getting to the gut,( i`ve had the 7 thousand $ colic surgery on a horse who didnt drink well in the winter) she always gets the beetpulp first. I`ve had a nutrionist evaluate my feed program, the calcium/phospherous content is important . Hope this helps i, Sue, yes I feed my yearling swedish/thoro filly some bp. everyday with her little bit of orchard grass, she a very fat, easy keeper. No need to worry about the calcium content, according to this article my horse nutrition person sent me on bp. It says The digestible energy of bp is better than alfalfa, in fact, the de content per lb 1.3megacalories- is closer to the 1.49 of oats than to the 1.08 of the richest of alfalfa. In calcium content,pb is higher than grass hays, but only about half as high as legume hays, so it isnt as helpful as balancing phosphorous in the heavily grain fed horse. It is quite low in vit A and in selenium. If your feed pb in place of hay, make sure his grain ration is meeting his protein needs. If hes not on grass, he may need vit and min supplements added. Nutrient comparison-hay substitutes,alfalfa, timothy and oats= beet pulpalfalfatimothy oats cal.per lb. 1.30 1.02 .881.49 tdigest. nutient 65% 52.% 45% 76% crude protien 8.% 16% 9%13.6% digest.protien5% 11.6 4.810.50 calcium 0.75%1.50 .410.07 phosphorous 0.10 0.250.190.37 At 09:46 AM 1/25/99 EST, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > What is the purpose for feeding the beet >pulp? What does it provide for the horses? In my efforts to find the proper >feeding program after moving here, the feed stores had mentioned beet pulp and >the fact that it had to be thoroughly soaked for several hours before feeding. >Since I was totally unfamiliar with this, guess I just blew it off and didn't >ask questions as to why to feed it. Jean in Fairanks, Alaska, +15 and light snow ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
