RE: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: "Teressa" I have a mare that had chronic diarrhea after she was weaned. We figured out that good hay, alfalfa, orchard grass etc was the culprit. If I keep her on our local very low protein hay, no diarrhea. I can see immediately if she's had good quality hay as her poop softens. The hay she gets isn't moldy or anything like that - just very low protein. I have it tested occasionally just to keep track. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: Alice MacGillivray I don't have another suggestion, but I wonder if it might be worth posting in echorsekeep...@yahoogroups.com If you aren't familiar with that group, it isn't Fjord specific, but they often explore health-related issues in depth and there seems to be a lot of expertise in that community about health, diet, etc. I hope you find an answer! Alice MacGillivray > From: Rose or Murph > Subject: Diarrhea (again) > > I know I have discussed this before.but I am completely almost out of > answers, or things to try... Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: S K Oh my, I've always only fed my horses twice a day...Three to four flakes in the am with grain and again in p.m. This has always worked for me when I had my quarter horse and arab now with my Fjords...I will ask my vet about this...I don't have much pasture at all so have to feed hay...If I feed too much they just play with it and throw it around after awhile... From: Gail Russell To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com" Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:44 AM Subject: RE: Diarrhea (again) This message is from: Gail Russell This is from the Happy Grazers facebook page. It would go along with acid in the water, I suppose. I wonder if slow feeders, with hay constantly available, might help? "DID YOU KNOW?: Horses are biologically designed to eat 20 hours per day. Unlike deer, they are not browsers, they are grazers. Chewing produces saliva, which helps buffer stomach acids. On a pasture/hay diet a horse normally produces up to 10 gallons of saliva per day. When there is less for the horse to eat all day, less saliva is produced which translates into less buffering of the stomach acids. This can result in an increased imbalance of the bacteria in the stomach, and increased production of stomach acid, and thus the potential increase in gastric ulcers. If the stomach becomes more acidic than it should be, gas is produced by bacterial fermentation, and the result can be pain, colic, or even stomach wall rupture. " From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Jo Wilgus [rjrfj...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:44 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Diarrhea (again) This message is from: "Jo Wilgus" - Original Message - From: "Rose or Murph" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 PM Subject: Diarrhea (again) > This message is from: Rose or Murph > > > My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. > > Comments welcome. Hi Rose. Try switching to pellets. That is my comment. Jo Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: S K I have had this problem also from time to time..I've always had results when I put my J.J. on beet pulpI swear it works wonders...I think it might have something to do with your pasture grass which I've also run intoTry feeding just hay, with beet pulp in a little grain...I feed my Fjord 1 cup of grain to 1 quart of beet pulp twice a day when he has diarrhea...No pasture grass...You should get results in as little as a couple of days...If it keeps up try cutting the grain down to 1 cup...or even 1/2 cup until you see results.. From: Rose or Murph To: fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:12 PM Subject: Diarrhea (again) This message is from: Rose or Murph Hi Everyone, I know I have discussed this before.but I am completely almost out of answers, or things to try. My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. She is not sick, no fever, not lethargic. Her manure is soft to completely runny on any given day. Sometimes two runny piles, the rest normal and formed. Sometimes her hind end is covered (today) with spatters all over her legs. Other times I call it liquid gas when she passes gas and a small amount of manure fluid comes out just enough to make a mess. I own stock in Costco baby wipes. Today I will have to give her a bath it's that bad. I have had the vet out, did blood work, nothing shows up. Vet thinks its the hay. I have tried local Washington grass hay, still runny on and off, first and second cutting Timothy, still runny, have tried eastern Washington orchard grass, gets anywhere from projectile diarrhea to normal on that. I have tried supplements like yeasac, bio sponge, pro-bios, aloe juice seemed to help a little. She has been wormed regularly. She gets 30 minutes to one hour on pasture per day. The diarrhea seems to be worse in! wet weather which we have had lots of rain the last few days. I have noticed some bloating on diarrhea days, which makes riding impossible. I don't even try any more when I can tell she has had many piles of loose manure. I have taken her out on rides when I have seen maybe one runny pile prior to rising, and then I notice her attitude is not as cooperative as usual, which I can understand. I have thought about feeding papaya, to see if it helps. I have taken her off all supplements and am sort of waiting it out before I try something different. I have even read about the water if its not the right ph levels it can upset their stomach? Anyone heard of that? My well water runs about 6.4 ph. I have heard about adding baking soda to the water to bring the ph level up? I am really stumped as to why there would be normal formed piles and then completely runny ones? Some days it's 50/50, one half runny, the other half solid, normal. Other days maybe three runny piles the rest normal. I also seems like the longer the grass in the pasture, the looser the piles. I know I sound crazy, but this does drive me crazy. Comments welcome. Rosemary in Roy Wa. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Could it be her teeth? If long stemmed grass causes more diarrhea maybe she needs her teeth done? Jean in hot smoky Fairbanks, AK > My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. She is not sick, no fever, not > lethargic. > I also seems like the longer the grass in the pasture, the looser the piles. > I know > I sound crazy, but this does drive me crazy. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: Gail Russell This is from the Happy Grazers facebook page. It would go along with acid in the water, I suppose. I wonder if slow feeders, with hay constantly available, might help? "DID YOU KNOW?: Horses are biologically designed to eat 20 hours per day. Unlike deer, they are not browsers, they are grazers. Chewing produces saliva, which helps buffer stomach acids. On a pasture/hay diet a horse normally produces up to 10 gallons of saliva per day. When there is less for the horse to eat all day, less saliva is produced which translates into less buffering of the stomach acids. This can result in an increased imbalance of the bacteria in the stomach, and increased production of stomach acid, and thus the potential increase in gastric ulcers. If the stomach becomes more acidic than it should be, gas is produced by bacterial fermentation, and the result can be pain, colic, or even stomach wall rupture. " From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Jo Wilgus [rjrfj...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:44 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Diarrhea (again) This message is from: "Jo Wilgus" - Original Message - From: "Rose or Murph" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 PM Subject: Diarrhea (again) > This message is from: Rose or Murph > > > My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. > > Comments welcome. Hi Rose. Try switching to pellets. That is my comment. Jo Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: Gail Russell HmmIt might be the water. Our horses have similar diarrhea (some of them) in Sonoma County, where our water is acid, and are instantly cured when we take the to Cedarville, where the water is alkaline. Also, I moved a horse across the street to a barn that treats their water for acid by running it through a large tank that has a fish tank aerator in it (actually, a bit bigger than that). The aeration makes the water test much less acidic. The horse's diarrhea was instantly cured. I thought it was our sand, being ingested every day, or alfalfa. Maybe not. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: "Jo Wilgus" - Original Message - From: "Rose or Murph" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 PM Subject: Diarrhea (again) This message is from: Rose or Murph My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. > Comments welcome. Hi Rose. Try switching to pellets. That is my comment. Jo Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: Me Kint Have you tried giving a little beet pulp? Of course check with your vet. Maybe she has an allergy? I had a friend whose horse was allergic to alfalfa many years ago. >From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. On Jun 27, 2013, at 19:00, "Mary Ofjord" wrote: Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" Have you check with your vet about this? The grass might be the clue. Mary Ofjord North Coast Services, LLC 218-387-1879 This message is from: Rose or Murph Hi Everyone, I know I have discussed this before.but I am completely almost out of answers, or things to try. My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. ...I also seems like the longer the grass in the pasture, the looser the piles. I know I sound crazy, but this does drive me crazy. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: Linda Lottie Have u tried hay cubes? I ran out of hay earlier, went to cubes and love them! No waste! They are expensive but as I saidno waste and s easy to feed. Linda in NW WI Sent from my iPad On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:18 PM, "Rose or Murph" wrote: > This message is from: Rose or Murph > > > Hi Everyone, > > I know I have discussed this before.but I am completely almost out of > answers, or things to try. > > My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. She is not sick, no fever, not > lethargic. Her manure is soft to completely runny on any given day. Sometimes > two runny piles, the rest normal and formed. Sometimes her hind end is > covered (today) with spatters all over her legs. Other times I call it liquid > gas when she passes gas and a small amount of manure fluid comes out just > enough to make a mess. I own stock in Costco baby wipes. Today I will have to > give her a bath it's that bad. I have had the vet out, did blood work, > nothing shows up. Vet thinks its the hay. I have tried local Washington grass > hay, still runny on and off, first and second cutting Timothy, still runny, > have tried eastern Washington orchard grass, gets anywhere from projectile > diarrhea to normal on that. I have tried supplements like yeasac, bio sponge, > pro-bios, aloe juice seemed to help a little. She has been wormed regularly. > She gets 30 minutes to one hour on pasture per day. The diarrhea seems to be > worse ! in! > wet weather which we have had lots of rain the last few days. > > I have noticed some bloating on diarrhea days, which makes riding impossible. > I don't even try any more when I can tell she has had many piles of loose > manure. I have taken her out on rides when I have seen maybe one runny pile > prior to rising, and then I notice her attitude is not as cooperative as > usual, which I can understand. > > I have thought about feeding papaya, to see if it helps. I have taken her off > all supplements and am sort of waiting it out before I try something > different. I have even read about the water if its not the right ph levels > it can upset their stomach? Anyone heard of that? My well water runs about > 6.4 ph. I have heard about adding baking soda to the water to bring the ph > level up? > > I am really stumped as to why there would be normal formed piles and then > completely runny ones? Some days it's 50/50, one half runny, the other half > solid, normal. Other days maybe three runny piles the rest normal. > > I also seems like the longer the grass in the pasture, the looser the piles. > I know I sound crazy, but this does drive me crazy. > > Comments welcome. > > > Rosemary in Roy Wa. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: Kathleen Prince Have you had a holistic vet look at her rather than a conventional one? -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Check out our blog! http://www.cassidyapril.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Rose or Murph wrote: > This message is from: Rose or Murph > > > Hi Everyone, > > I know I have discussed this before.but I am completely almost > out of answers, or things to try. > > My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. She is not sick, no fever, > not lethargic. Her manure is soft to completely runny on any given > day. Sometimes two runny piles, the rest normal and formed. > Sometimes her hind end is covered (today) with spatters all over > her legs. Other times I call it liquid gas when she passes gas and > a small amount of manure fluid comes out just enough to make a > mess. I own stock in Costco baby wipes. Today I will have to give > her a bath it's that bad. I have had the vet out, did blood work, > nothing shows up. Vet thinks its the hay. I have tried local > Washington grass hay, still runny on and off, first and second > cutting Timothy, still runny, have tried eastern Washington orchard > grass, gets anywhere from projectile diarrhea to normal on that. I > have tried supplements like yeasac, bio sponge, pro-bios, aloe > juice seemed to help a little. She has been wormed regularly. She > gets 30 minutes to one hour on pasture per day. The diarrhea seems > to be worse in! > wet weather which we have had lots of rain the last few days. > > I have noticed some bloating on diarrhea days, which makes riding > impossible. I don't even try any more when I can tell she has had > many piles of loose manure. I have taken her out on rides when I > have seen maybe one runny pile prior to rising, and then I notice > her attitude is not as cooperative as usual, which I can understand. > > I have thought about feeding papaya, to see if it helps. I have > taken her off all supplements and am sort of waiting it out before > I try something different. I have even read about the water if its > not the right ph levels it can upset their stomach? Anyone heard of > that? My well water runs about 6.4 ph. I have heard about adding > baking soda to the water to bring the ph level up? > > I am really stumped as to why there would be normal formed piles > and then completely runny ones? Some days it's 50/50, one half > runny, the other half solid, normal. Other days maybe three runny > piles the rest normal. > > I also seems like the longer the grass in the pasture, the looser > the piles. I know I sound crazy, but this does drive me crazy. > > Comments welcome. > > > Rosemary in Roy Wa. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Diarrhea (again)
This message is from: Rose or Murph Hi Everyone, I know I have discussed this before.but I am completely almost out of answers, or things to try. My mare has had chronic mild diarrhea. She is not sick, no fever, not lethargic. Her manure is soft to completely runny on any given day. Sometimes two runny piles, the rest normal and formed. Sometimes her hind end is covered (today) with spatters all over her legs. Other times I call it liquid gas when she passes gas and a small amount of manure fluid comes out just enough to make a mess. I own stock in Costco baby wipes. Today I will have to give her a bath it's that bad. I have had the vet out, did blood work, nothing shows up. Vet thinks its the hay. I have tried local Washington grass hay, still runny on and off, first and second cutting Timothy, still runny, have tried eastern Washington orchard grass, gets anywhere from projectile diarrhea to normal on that. I have tried supplements like yeasac, bio sponge, pro-bios, aloe juice seemed to help a little. She has been wormed regularly. She gets 30 minutes to one hour on pasture per day. The diarrhea seems to be worse in! wet weather which we have had lots of rain the last few days. I have noticed some bloating on diarrhea days, which makes riding impossible. I don't even try any more when I can tell she has had many piles of loose manure. I have taken her out on rides when I have seen maybe one runny pile prior to rising, and then I notice her attitude is not as cooperative as usual, which I can understand. I have thought about feeding papaya, to see if it helps. I have taken her off all supplements and am sort of waiting it out before I try something different. I have even read about the water if its not the right ph levels it can upset their stomach? Anyone heard of that? My well water runs about 6.4 ph. I have heard about adding baking soda to the water to bring the ph level up? I am really stumped as to why there would be normal formed piles and then completely runny ones? Some days it's 50/50, one half runny, the other half solid, normal. Other days maybe three runny piles the rest normal. I also seems like the longer the grass in the pasture, the looser the piles. I know I sound crazy, but this does drive me crazy. Comments welcome. Rosemary in Roy Wa. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
