Re: FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: Heather Baskey I wasn't going to reply to this thread anymore, but Beth - thank you. That was so very well written. Heather PS - the owner has written a letter to all of this and has commented on how amazing "Barney" is doing to this very day. So, say what you will, understand the tools and please show where the horse is now. My bet is that he likes and trusts his humans much better now. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: "Steve Sessoms" Well, this is my last bit on Parelli for a while, sorry if I come across harsh in my earlier post but sometimes I feel I must defend my friends. This is one of the friends I speak of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYxUslXd7YQ The following paragraph is what I wrote to Debby [miss.am...@earthlink.net] in private email, by the way we had a nice debate discussion off the list. =) This is my take on the video of LP and the half blind horse, and I was so shocked when I first saw that bit on a Parelli dvd that I watched it over and over until I thought I understood what the heck LP thought she was doing ... ~~~ I don't think LParelli handled that half blind horse well either. I do not agree with everything they do. I am not one of their blind followers. In her defense though, the horse's owner had come out to join the group with his horse. The horse put its head up and started looking out into the distance just looking for something to spook at. The horse was behaving downright dangerously, too dangerously to even lead it back to the barn. When LP took the lead she was attempting (very badly I might add) to get the horse away from her and for it to stand still until it decided it would rather be calm with its people than frightened out by itself. Kinda like slapping someone who has gotten into a complete screaming panic and won't stop! Only when it relaxed would she let it stand with them. And I have never been a fan of those big metal clasps hanging from the halters. I thought she had several chances to stop and see if the horse would relax but she just kept whamming it ... maybe she saw something in its behavior that I couldn't see though. I doubt the horse was harmed mentally or physically from what I saw in the video. But I can't help but think there had to have been a better way. The horses owner said that he is horrified that so much negative has been made from that video, he said that Linda and the Parelli course helped him and his horse a lot. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: Starfire Farm pedfjo...@aol.com wrote: I must say that someone just this week sent me a video of what appears to be this game. It was hard for me to watch all 4 + min. of it, I must say. The saint of a horse did not understandand the human spent all 4+ min. basically yanking his face off with a lead rope to get that space. Over and over. BAM. BAM. BAM, backing the horse, pulling it sideways. If the horse looked to or approched the human with his head, BAM. The horse kept looking to the human to " fix it " but clearly did not know what the human was looking for. Well, I'm going to stick my neck out here and hopefullly not get it chopped off.Lisa? By your description, it sounded like the horse was being given NO time to settle and was CONSTANTLY being yanked, jerked and banged on. However, Linda did give the horse opportunities to focus on her, basically "center" itself in her presence, a number of times, by softening her body posture and energy, but the horse's behavior patterns kept coming into play, i.e. not trusting the human, or believing that the human had the capacity to take care of its surroundings for it (being the herd leader). What I did NOT see from Linda were postural signals to draw the horse's attention back to her (essentially centering the horse) other than the use of the rope. There was a lot of directing the energy of her tools AT the horse's body, rather than the area surrounding the horse's body, which rather surprised me. In my opinion, Linda missed a number of opportunities to really explain to the horse what she was looking for using the tools that she was using in this tape. I don't know how old the tape was. I have seen them do things quite differently in a similar situation in the past couple of years. I used to be contacted by people to help them out of what they had learned from the Parelli system. The Parellis have "changed their message" and it's not that bad anymore. I have worked with a number of horses like that one and they can be tough to work with on the ground without either 1) getting hurt yourself 2) getting through to the horse without looking like you were really wailing on it. Would I have done things differently? Maybe a few years ago, no. Like I said before, I don't know how old this tape is, but perhaps Linda is better now. I have certainly changed how I understood the use of these tools and the behavioral patterns and needs of the horse over the years. I've seen a number of "NH" clinicians (to coin a term) learn to work smarter, not harder, over the years, with more sensitivity to the needs of the horse. Some still churn out "robots"...maybe that will change with their maturity. Now, I am not a Parelli fan or disciple, but I have watched them, as well as other NH clinicians, over the years so I could understand what they were doing and help folks understand what they were trying to learn from a clinic with any of these guys. Most of the time, folks get so wrapped up in the system, they leave the horse out of the equation..but that's another story. They are as mad as me watching this poor display of " NH " Horsemanship. Tom Dorance is rolling over. Nuff said. Lisa Actually, Tom Dorrance did use some of the techniques in the tape. With more skill, timing and feel, of course, but he could be tough on a horse when it was necessary. As could Bill Dorrance and Ray Hunt...when necessary. And if you had seen one of their tougher sessions out of context, you would have been howling about that as well. What most folks don't get/aren't able to see is the communication/soft offer of support to the horse that was given prior to the handler "firming up" on the horse AND the offering for the horse to "get with"..or focus on...them. THAT is where most of us get into trouble. We go after the horse before we give it a little signal or indication of what we want. Really bad handling occurs when we keep going after the horse without giving it an opportunity to respond. Sometimes, these things happen so quickly that the uneducated/inexperienced person can't see those offerings. Clearly, this horse did not have any reason to trust humans throughout his life, hence the searching/distracted behavior. This kind of mis-information...without showing the result of the session...without knowing the basis for the action, is a problem in this media-hyped-up-sensationalizing-frame of mind that is going on with the internet - as well as computer arm chair experts (who perhaps haven't had to deal with horses like this one...not that he's a bad horse, clearly a nice horse, that needed some help.) So, say what you will, understand the tools and please show where the horse is now. My bet is that he likes and trusts his humans much better now. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Lin
Re: FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: REENA GIOLA Thanks for posting the link to this. All I have to say if I had been that horse I sure would have wanted to kick the tarnation out of her. I give credit to the horse for being so kind and not doing that!! Reena On Mar 10, 2010, at 12:42 PM, coy...@acrec.com wrote: > This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" > > > Here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyF2QqP29DU Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: "coy...@acrec.com" Here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyF2QqP29DU Amy Evers wrote: Can someone post a link to this video? The Fugly Horse website says it's "Account is Suspended" when I try to go there. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: Gail Russell That would explain why it seemed a bit disjointed in the dialogue. Not going to get into this one - but I have the originals Levels pack and I know where this clip came from and it has been "skillfully edited" to show 4+ minutes of continuous reprimands (no releases) and has an explanation of what was happening in the moment.??? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: Heather Baskey Not going to get into this one - but I have the originals Levels pack and I know where this clip came from and it has been "skillfully edited" to show 4+ minutes of continuous reprimands (no releases) and has an explanation of what was happening in the moment. Not saying it is right or wrong - but what I DO feel is wrong, is someone editing something to make it look different than the original to suit their own agenda. If that was my copyrighted material that was edited to suit someone else's agenda, then I would be taking legal action for sure. Heather __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: Gail Russell Could it be a bandwidth problem? Amy, unfortunately, it looks like Fugly-owner Kathy has stirred the s$#! pot a little too hard and proably has had some legal repercussions taken against her; it's not the 1st time this has happened w/ her blog; I'm sure we'll have access again in due time or the blog is re-invented yet again... Kmac in Oregon - a solid FHOTD follower Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy I am sure Kathy/Fugly blogger has someone else besides You Tube breathing down her neck... My guess? She recently outed & PO'd a very affluent woman who dumped her nice, lame (but fixable) TB @ a Wa. state auction. Hubby is a shyster dentist (busted for false billing) who owns multiple Ferrari's & other very high $$$ toys, woman is a totally spoiled DQ w/ a very bad 'tude & terrible rep amongst local horsepeople, I bet Kathy is battling their sharks Hmm, I'm sure we'll hear something soon. Just my guess. > From: g...@zeliga.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:29:10 -0800 > Subject: RE: FUGLY takes aim > > This message is from: Gail Russell > > > OoopsThey had the youtube video ON the site. I wonder if You tube went after them. > > > > Can someone post a link to this video? The Fugly Horse website says it's > "Account is Suspended" when I try to go there. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Amy, unfortunately, it looks like Fugly-owner Kathy has stirred the s$#! pot a little too hard and proably has had some legal repercussions taken against her; it's not the 1st time this has happened w/ her blog; I'm sure we'll have access again in due time or the blog is re-invented yet again... Kmac in Oregon - a solid FHOTD follower :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: FUGLY takes aim > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:53:01 -0500 > From: fjord...@aol.com > > This message is from: Amy Evers > > > The tape in question has made the rounds of alot of Internet sites this > eek I guess. Today, it made the front page of the FUGLY Horse Of The Day. > > > Can someone post a link to this video? The Fugly Horse website says it's > "Account is Suspended" when I try to go there. > > Anyone know the name of the "trainer" in the video? Inquiring minds want to > know > > Amy Evers > Dun Lookin' Fjords > Cottage Grove OR 97424 > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: Gail Russell OoopsThey had the youtube video ON the site. I wonder if You tube went after them. Can someone post a link to this video? The Fugly Horse website says it's "Account is Suspended" when I try to go there. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
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This message is from: Kathleen Prince I watched it earlier today. It was Linda Parelli doing the training. Sure didn't look right to me, she just kept whacking the poor horse. -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Amy Evers wrote: > This message is from: Amy Evers > > > The tape in question has made the rounds of alot of Internet sites > this > eek I guess. Today, it made the front page of the FUGLY Horse Of > The Day. > > > Can someone post a link to this video? The Fugly Horse website says > it's > "Account is Suspended" when I try to go there. > > Anyone know the name of the "trainer" in the video? Inquiring minds > want to > know > > Amy Evers > Dun Lookin' Fjords > Cottage Grove OR 97424 > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: Amy Evers The tape in question has made the rounds of alot of Internet sites this eek I guess. Today, it made the front page of the FUGLY Horse Of The Day. Can someone post a link to this video? The Fugly Horse website says it's "Account is Suspended" when I try to go there. Anyone know the name of the "trainer" in the video? Inquiring minds want to know Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Cottage Grove OR 97424 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
FUGLY takes aim
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com In a message dated 3/9/2010 10:33:24 AM Mountain Standard Time, owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com writes: > > I must say that someone just this week sent me a video of what appears to > be this game. It was hard for me to watch all 4 + min. of it, I must say. > The > saint of a horse did not understandand the human spent all 4+ min. > basically yanking his face off with a lead rope to get that space. Over > and > over. BAM. BAM. BAM, backing the horse, pulling it sideways. If the horse > looked > to or approched the human with his head, BAM. The horse kept looking to > the > human to " fix it " but clearly did not know what the human was looking > for. > * The tape in question has made the rounds of alot of Internet sites this week I guess. Today, it made the front page of the FUGLY Horse Of The Day. Not a good place to be, just saying. There are 2 pages of comments tonight already, almost 300 of them, and its good to know that all except for 2 brave people trying to make excuses or justify this mess, there are alot more gonna get thrown from the peanut gallery before this is quiet. Heads up, hide the kiddies and Nuns. FUGLY is not a place for those who dont want to read some bad lauguage. Esp. when the natives are riled up. They are as mad as me watching this poor display of " NH " Horsemanship. Tom Dorance is rolling over. Nuff said. Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
