Re: Fjord Prices
This message is from: "Nancy Missault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am confused here- are you saying that you can find a good adult Fjord mare for about 1000 euro which would be about 1300 dollars because that is what the exchange rate would give. The dollar is about 3/4 of the Euro. Nancy Missault ---Original Message--- Van: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Datum: 08/02/07 22:50:03 Aan: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Onderwerp: Fjord Prices This message is from: Linda Bain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jul 30, 2007, at 11:45 PM, Nancy Missault wrote: > > I do not really wish to upset anybody but how come prices in the US > are that much more than Europe. I was thinking the opposite!!! With the exchange rate the way it is at the moment, US prices are cheaper than both UK and Swedish prices! If the transport was cheaper, it would be a good time to start re-importing some of those old bloodlines! The prices I have seen in the US I would consider very reasonable. > I got a really nice friendly mare with foal for 1500 euro; no pedigree > but Fjords with papers are about the same price. In the UK you can expect to pay (for fully papered, evaluated, quality fjords) a lot more, and having lived in Sweden for the last year, the prices here are similar. There is however, a very important distinction to be made between papered and non-papered fjords, you cannot compare the two, as without papers, it could be a Heinz 57. I have bought fjords from both Norway and Sweden and 1500 euros wouldn't have bought 1 leg of either of them!! Even foals sell for more than 1500 euros. Before I left the UK there were a lot of fjords being imported without papers, which we call "meat-market fjords". In some of continental Europe horses are bred for meat and considered agricultural animals, which they are not in the UK. These fjords were coming into the UK and being passed off as fjords. In truth they could have been anything as there was no way of tracing their breeding. It is important for breeders to register their youngsters in order to preserve the breed and prevent devaluation. The Highland pony, which could be described as similar, is now on the endangered breeds list because there are so few papered, pure examples of the breed left. It is not that there aren't pure breds out there, but if they are not registered as such and given the recognition they deserve, they effectively don't exist. I hope that this is not a route that the fjord will follow because people won't/can't register them (even if it is in an upgrade register). Sorry for getting on my soap box! Linda Bain Sweden The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fjord Prices
This message is from: Linda Bain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jul 30, 2007, at 11:45 PM, Nancy Missault wrote: I do not really wish to upset anybody but how come prices in the US are that much more than Europe. I was thinking the opposite!!! With the exchange rate the way it is at the moment, US prices are cheaper than both UK and Swedish prices! If the transport was cheaper, it would be a good time to start re-importing some of those old bloodlines! The prices I have seen in the US I would consider very reasonable. I got a really nice friendly mare with foal for 1500 euro; no pedigree but Fjords with papers are about the same price. In the UK you can expect to pay (for fully papered, evaluated, quality fjords) a lot more, and having lived in Sweden for the last year, the prices here are similar. There is however, a very important distinction to be made between papered and non-papered fjords, you cannot compare the two, as without papers, it could be a Heinz 57. I have bought fjords from both Norway and Sweden and 1500 euros wouldn't have bought 1 leg of either of them!! Even foals sell for more than 1500 euros. Before I left the UK there were a lot of fjords being imported without papers, which we call "meat-market fjords". In some of continental Europe horses are bred for meat and considered agricultural animals, which they are not in the UK. These fjords were coming into the UK and being passed off as fjords. In truth they could have been anything as there was no way of tracing their breeding. It is important for breeders to register their youngsters in order to preserve the breed and prevent devaluation. The Highland pony, which could be described as similar, is now on the endangered breeds list because there are so few papered, pure examples of the breed left. It is not that there aren't pure breds out there, but if they are not registered as such and given the recognition they deserve, they effectively don't exist. I hope that this is not a route that the fjord will follow because people won't/can't register them (even if it is in an upgrade register). Sorry for getting on my soap box! Linda Bain Sweden The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Backyard Breeders & Fjord Prices
This message is from: "Salt Lick Stables" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I may have been the first to use (or misuse) the term 'backyard breeder' in this ongoing discussion concerning Fjord prices. No derogation was intended It is a term that has long been used in the industry to refer to small breeders who choose not to promote their stallions - which they generally maintain for the service of their own mares and an occasional contract mare. Many, like myself, do not even own stallions. We rely on purchased stud services to produce two or three foals each year. Being a small breeder does not imply ineptitude. Some of the QH Legend sires were the product of such small breeding concerns. Many Fjord breeders in the US are 'small breeders' - it does not necessarily follow that their stock is not of good quality. However, at least in the AQHA and APHA industry, the ever increasing number of small breeders translates on some level to lower pricing - in many cases because the small breeder cannot always afford to maintain a large sales list and 'culling' their herd to reduce the drain on their farm budget is of paramount importance. A 'reduced price' does not have to mean 'poor quality . Though I beg pardon for the offensive term, 'backyard breeder', I still believe that, as more individuals engage in small farm breeding, the Fjord market will ultimately feel the impact. Historically, the same has happened in most other rare livestock markets and will continue to do so. That is, if we all survive the stock market ;-) Jo Larson New Mexico [demime 0.99c.8 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif]
Fjord Prices--Other Pts.
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List from Brian Jensen; I must agree with Vivians comments about Fjord prices leaning away from the top-side of the Equine Industry. I believe that Vivian is located in the Mecca of the American Horse world as far as selling goes. Geographics has a lot to do with price. A remote Breeder such as ourselves will almost always hear questions about shipping, and then folks factor that into the purchase price. Breeder credibility and proven years of good service can be factored into the sale price of a Fjord. I believe there is nothing as important as honesty and a proven track record. Availability of buyers also affects the market value of the Fjord horse. Most Fjords sell in the mid-range to middle-class purchasers. As the price goes up the scope of available buyers shrinks accordingly. Very few fjords sell at extremely high prices as there are fewer buyers available. Breeder participation in Fjord Evaluations and Shows augers well in selling a Fjord to a customer Many customers of the Fjord are born through watching them perform at CDE,s or breed Shows. This avenue of exposure has brought customers to our door. A customer watching a multiple hitch can become excited and motivated Breeders-Owners who excel with their Fjords in the disciplines of Riding-Driving-Draft have by default referred customers to all of us without our advertising dollar spent. Here I think of Anne Appleby ,Gayle Ware, Hotovys, Jensens , Mcwethys , Pat Wolfe , and Vivian C. who have been out there showing and continually stretching the mark on what Fjords can do! These folks have helped up the dollar value of Fjords in interest in the breed. Owning top quality Fjords and demonstrating it to the public on a continual basis affects the price range of an animal. There are 2000.00 dollar fjords and there are 15000.00 dollar Fjords As this wonderful animal offers so much versatility to the general public it also offers a wide range of purchase possibilities to meet the individual needs of the buyer . For yourself as a Breeder selling Fjords look at the points listed and see where you fit .Possibly there is yet work to be done in order to get those top prices !!! -Brian Jensen Ursula & Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Re: fjord prices
This message is from: "John & Eunice Bosomworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In regard to these quotes: (<>) (<>) How does a country come up with average prices? What would be the average price for a fjord in the USA? or Can.? When listers advertise fjords for sale on this List, are we to assume that they are in US funds even though they may live in Can. (or wherever)? Fjordally yours, Eunice[EMAIL PROTECTED] John & Eunice Bosomworth Deere Country Fjords Ayton, Ontario, CANADA `
Re: Fjord prices...
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Dagrun and all, I'll make a list of average prices in Finland. There are no recommendations set by the breed association so these are what I've seen they've been of late: Stallion / gelding 1 year 1 Fmk /$1540 Mare 1 year 12000 Fmk / $1850 Gelding, 5-12 yrs, well driven and / or ridden 16000-18000 Fmk /$2460-2770 Mare, 5-12 yrs, well driven and / or ridden 2-25000 Fmk /$3080-3850 Stallion, prices vary beginning from 35000 Fmk /$5390 The price also depends on bloodlines. Danish and Swedish lines are a little less expensive than Norwegian. Best wishes Sini. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html These were the Swedish prices Dagrun had: > Stallion/gelding 1 year $700, mare 1 year $900 > Stallion/gelding 2 years $1000, mare 2 years $1200 > 5-6 year old fjords, well driven and/or ridden and working in correct form: > $2000 - 3000
Re: Fjord prices...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/12/01 1:03:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Does this surprise you or were you aware of the low prices in Scandinavia? I think fjord prices are rising in Norway now as more people see their value, also as a competitive sports horse >> Hi Dagrun- Very interesting, and very cheap! However I still chuckle when Americans consider Fjords "expensive." According to my research, they are one of the lowest-priced pure breeds. Like Friesians? $20K and up. $10K for a weanling. Standardbreds? $20K for a youngster, $80K for one with training. Thoroughbreds? In the millions for racers. Etcetera... Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords / )__~ /L /L
RE: Fjord prices...
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Pat, Well that's the catch! I can't really say - I believe I've heard around $4000, that was from Norway to New York. Anyway, it will probably end up quite pricey. I'm sure somebody else on the list who has been importing knows these things. So I believe people would import only outstanding horses to justify the transportation price. And of course they would be more expensive to start with. Dagrun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Wilson Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 1:13 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Fjord prices... This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Very interesting, but if one was interested, how much is transportation and the other costs for bringing a horse to the states? pat ttfn Dagrun Aarsten wrote: > This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello listers, > > I was looking at the swedish fjord association website and found a > recommended price list for selling fjords. I rewrite it here, converting 10 > swedish kroner to 1 USD (actually it's a little less). > > I haven't seen any Norwegian official publication like this, but prices will > be close to the swedish or slightly higher (Our currency is much stronger at > the moment). I suppose these prices relate to correct conformation, well > trained horses etc. Of course it is hard to set a standard but I thought > you'd find this interesting: > > Colt, weanling $500, filly, weanling $700 > Stallion/gelding 1 year $700, mare 1 year $900 > Stallion/gelding 2 years $1000, mare 2 years $1200 > Gelding 3 years, basic driving and riding (green broke): $1500 > Mare 3-4 years, depending on training and breeding value: $1500 - 2000 > 5-6 year old fjords, well driven and/or ridden and working in correct form: > $2000 - 3000 > > Of course the best quality horses (breeding and/or performance) will price > higher. > > Does this surprise you or were you aware of the low prices in Scandinavia? I > think fjord prics are rising in Norway now as more people see their value, > also as a competitive sports horse. But it's true that the fjord is still > regarded a "boring farm horse" by most Norwegians. That is, until they see a > quality fjord perform :-) > > I enclose the original text for your swedish lessons... > > Dagrun > > http://home.swipnet.se/~w-71776/ > > Hingstfol: 5000 kr Stofol: 7000 kr > Hingst /valack 1 ar: 7000 kr Sto 1ar: 9000 kr > Hingst/valack 2 ar: 10.000 kr Sto 2 ar: 12.000 kr > Valack 3 ar, kord o riden: 15.000 kr Sto, 3-4 beroende pa utbildning och > avelsvarde: 15.000-20.000 kr > 5-6 ariga fjordhastar, som ar val korda och/ eller ridna och som arbetar i > ratt form: 20.000-30.000 kr.
Re: Fjord prices...
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Very interesting, but if one was interested, how much is transportation and the other costs for bringing a horse to the states? pat ttfn Dagrun Aarsten wrote: > This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello listers, > > I was looking at the swedish fjord association website and found a > recommended price list for selling fjords. I rewrite it here, converting 10 > swedish kroner to 1 USD (actually it's a little less). > > I haven't seen any Norwegian official publication like this, but prices will > be close to the swedish or slightly higher (Our currency is much stronger at > the moment). I suppose these prices relate to correct conformation, well > trained horses etc. Of course it is hard to set a standard but I thought > you'd find this interesting: > > Colt, weanling $500, filly, weanling $700 > Stallion/gelding 1 year $700, mare 1 year $900 > Stallion/gelding 2 years $1000, mare 2 years $1200 > Gelding 3 years, basic driving and riding (green broke): $1500 > Mare 3-4 years, depending on training and breeding value: $1500 - 2000 > 5-6 year old fjords, well driven and/or ridden and working in correct form: > $2000 - 3000 > > Of course the best quality horses (breeding and/or performance) will price > higher. > > Does this surprise you or were you aware of the low prices in Scandinavia? I > think fjord prics are rising in Norway now as more people see their value, > also as a competitive sports horse. But it's true that the fjord is still > regarded a "boring farm horse" by most Norwegians. That is, until they see a > quality fjord perform :-) > > I enclose the original text for your swedish lessons... > > Dagrun > > http://home.swipnet.se/~w-71776/ > > Hingstfol: 5000 kr Stofol: 7000 kr > Hingst /valack 1 ar: 7000 kr Sto 1ar: 9000 kr > Hingst/valack 2 ar: 10.000 kr Sto 2 ar: 12.000 kr > Valack 3 ar, kord o riden: 15.000 kr Sto, 3-4 beroende pa utbildning och > avelsvarde: 15.000-20.000 kr > 5-6 ariga fjordhastar, som ar val korda och/ eller ridna och som arbetar i > ratt form: 20.000-30.000 kr.
Fjord prices...
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello listers, I was looking at the swedish fjord association website and found a recommended price list for selling fjords. I rewrite it here, converting 10 swedish kroner to 1 USD (actually it's a little less). I haven't seen any Norwegian official publication like this, but prices will be close to the swedish or slightly higher (Our currency is much stronger at the moment). I suppose these prices relate to correct conformation, well trained horses etc. Of course it is hard to set a standard but I thought you'd find this interesting: Colt, weanling $500, filly, weanling $700 Stallion/gelding 1 year $700, mare 1 year $900 Stallion/gelding 2 years $1000, mare 2 years $1200 Gelding 3 years, basic driving and riding (green broke): $1500 Mare 3-4 years, depending on training and breeding value: $1500 - 2000 5-6 year old fjords, well driven and/or ridden and working in correct form: $2000 - 3000 Of course the best quality horses (breeding and/or performance) will price higher. Does this surprise you or were you aware of the low prices in Scandinavia? I think fjord prics are rising in Norway now as more people see their value, also as a competitive sports horse. But it's true that the fjord is still regarded a "boring farm horse" by most Norwegians. That is, until they see a quality fjord perform :-) I enclose the original text for your swedish lessons... Dagrun http://home.swipnet.se/~w-71776/ Hingstfol: 5000 kr Stofol: 7000 kr Hingst /valack 1 ar: 7000 kr Sto 1ar: 9000 kr Hingst/valack 2 ar: 10.000 kr Sto 2 ar: 12.000 kr Valack 3 ar, kord o riden: 15.000 kr Sto, 3-4 beroende pa utbildning och avelsvarde: 15.000-20.000 kr 5-6 ariga fjordhastar, som ar val korda och/ eller ridna och som arbetar i ratt form: 20.000-30.000 kr.
