RE: orphan foal "milker"
This message is from: Sandra Malm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Philis, So sorry to hear about the loss you had of little Karl. I hope that you don't beat yourself up over the decisions you made. You are a very intelligent horsewoman and know that your best effort was made. As the Amish would say, it was his time. I have had recent knee surgery and am awaiting the go ahead of my surgeon, who is a horseman, to once again be able to get back in the saddle. Ben has had a good winter and has made himself at home with his 3 buddies. He is full of antics and I has endeared himself to all who know him. Hope your spring comes soon. With Fondness, Sandy> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> Subject: orphan foal "milker"> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:51:58 -0500> > This message is from: "Philis Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Just thought I'd mention a handy little device when you find the need to > milk the mare. I use a 60cc syringe, cut off the end where you would put > the needle, invert the plunger and you have a "milking syringe". Just put > it on the teat so that there is no air intake around the teat and then pull > the plunger down. The syringe fills with milk and you can get almost up to > 60cc of milk. I'm sure others have used this, but for those who haven't, it > works pretty well.> > On another note, I just wanted to say that I lost my seven month old Fjord > gelding back in January. It was terribly heartbreaking for me because I was > caring for him 24/7 for days. He became sick back in August at age two > months. Reoccurring high fevers, I was in constant contact with vets and > using antibiotics etc. Everybody thought it was pneumonia, but at last the > day he died, I drew blood. Two days later my vet called with results. > Liver, kidneys were gone, he was VERY toxic.it was Lymes disease. My > dear vet friend mentioned Lymes back in August, but other antibiotics were > used and the foal would get better for a time. Moral of the story, check > their blood first thing. And, I hope nobody else ever has to go through > this. Karl was a very stoic little guy. I still miss him deeply. PSI > had tetracycline in my stash and yes, I'm on a guilt trip.> > Philis Anderson> Sawtooth Mountain Fjords> Grand Marais, MN > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at:> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> > _ Back to work after babyhow do you know when youre ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=5797 498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: orphan foal "milker" changed to "so Sorry"
This message is from: "Frederick J Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Philis, Hugs and good thoughts. Only time passing works We hope the good thought help plug the hole in your heart. Guilt trips only make the hole larger. Fred and Lois Pack All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philis Anderson Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:52 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: orphan foal "milker" This message is from: "Philis Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On another note, I just wanted to say that I lost my seven month old Fjord gelding back in January. It was terribly heartbreaking for me because I was caring for him 24/7 for days. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: orphan foal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a colostrum substituted that you can get from your vet - "IGG" - that you feed in a bottle. Then, there are a couple of milk replacers made especially for equines; Foal Lac is the one that comes to mind right off hand. I would definitely check with your vet as to whether the sheep colostrum is appropriate for a foal. Wish your friend good luck with the baby! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: orphan foal
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Your vet has a colostrum-substitute injection they can do. Something like that. My foals are routinely checked within 24 hours to make sure they have gotten the antibodies they need, and my understanding is that there is a "fix" if things are not right. Gail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:10 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: orphan foal This message is from: "Janet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Help! my neighbor's QH just had a foal, and she will have nothing to do with it. So we have a few questions. 1) we gave the baby sheep's colostrum, but if mom won't let him suck, what kind of milk replacer should be used? 2) how much milk per feeding and how often? 3) any ideas on how to get mom to take her baby? the other horses had 'stolen' the newborn, and so it had become separated from the mother for a while. please email me directly as well as to the list because I only get this as the digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: orphan foal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/01 3:00:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If any of you on this List have any ideas or opinions on how to best raise > an orphan foal, please let me know. I'm new to this one! > Thanks for listening. > > Karen Karen, How awful. Talk to Sue Sorger who has been raising one from birth. Gail
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This message is from: John & Martie Bolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ardeth, Please, I am still looking for baby names for our pending foal. Could you Email me privately on [EMAIL PROTECTED] with some ideas? His/her daddy is Torblakken/ mommy is MVF Frida. If it is a colt, I wanted to call it TorBeau (beau after my hubby, it's his nickname) but hubby doesn't like the name. No ideas for filly names. thanks, Martie in MD
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/8/01 9:43:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Goat's milk provides the foal with "suckling", but it's meant to feed baby goats and probably isn't properly formulated for good growth in a baby horse. I've seen foals raised on it and all were quite small. The other problem you have is that the foal quickly outgrows the goat heightwise and has a hard time nursing unless "mama goat" will willingly jump up onto a bench so the foal can nurse ;). >> Having raised goats in the past Keswick is not nursing on a goat. A foal is too rough on a goat's udder they bruise them and can easily cause mastitis. We are feeding goats milk from a bottle every 90 minutes round the clock. When he is a week old we will switch to a bucket. We purchased a doe today and I will go back to milking twice a day starting tommorrow. Sue
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/7/01 11:46:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I would just say again about the goat, the foal I had here that had been raised on a goat was stunted but eventually grew up. I wonder if there needs to be some supplementing along with the goats milk? >> Talked to my vet about this and he said he doesn't expect any problem. We purchased a goat today so we won't have to pay $7 a gallon any more. Keswick, (w is silent) as I have named my foal, is drinking over a gallon a day now and doing unbelievably well. Sue
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sue- I am so sorry to hear about your mare. I know you were so looking forward to her foaling. Please know I am thinking of you and your colt. Leslie
Re: Orphan foal
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Somewhere out there on the Internet is an "orphan foal" site...designed to put together mares without foals and foals without Moms. Has anyone given you the Url to the site? Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue, I've been out of touch and just started reading the list and messages about your orphan! I am so sorry about Katrina (also my daughters name) and we know what you are going through. Last year we lost a mare and had to hand feed a filly. Keahna is now a yearling and doing wonderfully!!! The first month of her life is a blur but was well worth the effort. Foal Lac is important to her diet!! Not having read all 600 messages on the list yet I am not sure if you've had her blood level checked for the colostrom yet or not. She needs it and it can also be substituted. But please use Foal Lac (powdered milk form NOT pelts yet) there are more nutrients in it than the goats milk alone can provide. Alternating feedings would give her the best of both worlds. If you have any questions as you go along please ask us. University of Nebraska website also has some good information on raising an orphan. Fjords are special anyway but a fjord orphan is a special gift from God! Glad you have lots of help, Good Luck! Teresa Sanders Sandpoint, Idaho - Original Message - We are still feeding every 90 minutes and he is now taking 13oz at a feeding. Friends have been great I have spent a total of 10 minutes alone today. My other horses have been worked groomed and fed and food has been bought to me and fed to me if I didn't stop. I have been able to concentrate on baby and buying a milk goat. ... Los Trigos Ranch bought Kate down, the mare they use to take care of the weanlings, hopefully she will become a buddy to baby. (must find a name and stop referring to him as baby). So I have a great support system. I will keep you posted when I can about how baby boy Sorger is doing. Thanks again. Sue
Re: Orphan foal
This message is from: "ARDETH OBENAUF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am so sorry to hear of your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you. I do have a long list of Norwegian names. Is there some where I can fax it to you? A Norwegian friend compiled a huge list for me for the baby our mare is expecting next February. If not I can try to attach it to an email, but my luck with that has not been great. Take care of that baby, AO
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Jean Gayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sue I would just say again about the goat, the foal > I had here that had been > raised on a goat was stunted but eventually grew up. Sue, I would have to agree with Jean, here. PLEASE don't raise that baby on goat's milk alone - especially when there is a perfectly good 'mares milk' product on the market. It's called "Foal Lac" and comes in both a powder - to be mixed with water and fed by a bottle - and in a pellet form - to be fed later when the foal has teeth. I have used both to supplement a foal whose dam had less-than-adequate milk supply. It worked beautifully. This foal learned to drink her Foal Lac directly from a bucket - much the same as a calf - when she was about a week old, so the bottle routine was no longer needed. Also, you might check with Quad-L ranch in Idaho. I believe they raised an orphan foal last summer - or maybe the summer before. Teresa, are you still on the List?? The email for Quad-L is [EMAIL PROTECTED] However Teresa Sanders does much of the correspondence for them. Goat's milk provides the foal with "suckling", but it's meant to feed baby goats and probably isn't properly formulated for good growth in a baby horse. I've seen foals raised on it and all were quite small. The other problem you have is that the foal quickly outgrows the goat heightwise and has a hard time nursing unless "mama goat" will willingly jump up onto a bench so the foal can nurse ;). On the plus side - goats DO make great 'companion animals' for horses that must be kept alone. Good luck with this foal. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Sue, I am so sorry for the loss of Katrina. What a blessing to have had the vet right there to do a C section and get the foal out. It doesn't stop the pain, but certainly will keep your mind occupied, working to keep the foal going! I love the name Ari that Deb suggested. Another one that we used was Tobyn, which means "Gift from God". That is what we named the first raffle foal that Marsha Korose won. Saskia was 25 when she conceived Tobyn, and we didn't know she was bred until the following spring when I had her checked to see where she was in her ovulation. The previous spring, we had breed her thru 3 heats, had the vet check her, and then decided to try one more time with an iodine infusion, to clean up her uterus. We never did breed her again, after the infusion. The vet was adamant that we must have bred her after this, but we didn't. I told him that I could see Hilmar getting out to go to the other barn/pasture to breed her, but I really couldn't picture him jumping back into his own pasture, with the other mares! I panicked thinking the iodine would have hurt the foal, maybe come out orange! But , she had Tobyn, at the age of 26. He is the foal you see in the Equitana USA tape being ground driven in the center of the arena with mom, Saskia, as all the big wagons care en around the outside! He truly was a gift from God! This weekend I went with Ceacy to a Keuring for any breed, just an evaluation where the Dutch judge went over your horse, gave good and not so good info, in hand, and ridden or lunged and also at liberty. On the way home we were talking about my mare Dena and when she is due, having a Konggard foal, and how nice it would be to have a filly. Her first filly from Kong, was the first one to die of the botulism, a few years back, when Ceacy lost 5 horses. We both started to cry and it is a loss still so deeply felt. After I left her place and drove home, I literally sobbed all the way, for an hour and a half, till I got home. For the first time I was able to really cry about losing Sunday and her foal last Mother's Day. I had not let go at all, just a little, because Richard was so devastated by the loss. I am so thankful that you have all the wonderful friends who have rallied to help. It is amazing how they just come and do what has to be done. I will keep praying for your little guy and it sure sounds as if he has got an excellent start! If you get a big milk goat, I used to use one for orphan lambs. I would let the goat eat a little grain while the lambs were put to the milk bar. If you put the goat in a stand and just keep raising the stand up higher, as the foal grows, he will have no problem! Goats milk is great for any young animal or human. I forget what it is, the pasteurizing or homogenizing that is already done, so it is very easy to digest. I would check to see what maybe should be added to make it so the colt isn't stunted. Their gut won't really digest the grain and hay until usually 3 to 4 months old, even though they readily eat it! Feel free to jump in Steve White! if I have stated any incorrect info! Contact one of the big University's such as Tuft's or Cornell to see how often and for how long the feedings can eventually be done. I wonder if a foal could use a cold milk bar, once it is going really well. That is cold milk, on ice, that he could suck on freely, and because it is cold, they won't suck down too much, just sip all day long. We used that feeding system with lambs. Not sure if it has ever been tried with a foal. Good luck, Sue! You are in our thoughts and prayers! Sue g.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/8/01 1:46:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Sue I would just say again about the goat, the foal I had here that had been raised on a goat was stunted but eventually grew up. I wonder if there needs to be some supplementing along with the goats milk? Jean >> Maybe a bigger goat? Or two?
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue I would just say again about the goat, the foal I had here that had been raised on a goat was stunted but eventually grew up. I wonder if there needs to be some supplementing along with the goats milk? Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re; Orphan foal >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Thank you all for your words of encouragement and wonderfull names. Baby, >still unnamed, is doing very well. We are still feeding every 90 minutes and >he is now taking 13oz at a feeding. Friends have been great I have spent a >total of 10 minutes alone today. My other horses have been worked groomed and >fed and food has been bought to me and fed to me if I didn't stop. I have >been able to concentrate on baby and buying a milk goat. I have friends >coming in as early as 5am to take a couple of feed times. Los Trigos Ranch >bought Kate down, the mare they use to take care of the weanlings, hopefully >she will become a buddy to baby. (must find a name and stop referring to him >as baby). So I have a great support system. >I will keep you posted when I can about how baby boy Sorger is doing. Thanks >again. >Sue
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you all for your words of encouragement and wonderfull names. Baby, still unnamed, is doing very well. We are still feeding every 90 minutes and he is now taking 13oz at a feeding. Friends have been great I have spent a total of 10 minutes alone today. My other horses have been worked groomed and fed and food has been bought to me and fed to me if I didn't stop. I have been able to concentrate on baby and buying a milk goat. I have friends coming in as early as 5am to take a couple of feed times. Los Trigos Ranch bought Kate down, the mare they use to take care of the weanlings, hopefully she will become a buddy to baby. (must find a name and stop referring to him as baby). So I have a great support system. I will keep you posted when I can about how baby boy Sorger is doing. Thanks again. Sue
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am testing my email. thanks Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563 -Original Message- From: Denise Delgado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Orphan Foal >This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >dear sue, so sorry about your loss. what a terrible thing!!! but than >you have a new life, and out of your beloved mare to boot. hope he >comes along ok. i will be praying for him and you. how about ARI? in >norse mythology, ari works in tandem with the death goddess, hel. hel >takes care of those who have died of old age or misfortune. "ari" means >eagle
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear sue, so sorry about your loss. what a terrible thing!!! but than you have a new life, and out of your beloved mare to boot. hope he comes along ok. i will be praying for him and you. how about ARI? in norse mythology, ari works in tandem with the death goddess, hel. hel takes care of those who have died of old age or misfortune. "ari" means eagle
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue so sorry about your tragedy. Can not imagine how it would feel to be so involved in bringing forth life to then see one taken. Wish my mare was here as she could bring milk at any time. I know goats have been used and the foal would be small enough. Is "Gustav" a strong enough name? I am not sure if that is Norwegian tho. Best of luck and prayers. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:52 AM Subject: Orphan Foal >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >I lost my beloved Katrina Sunday afternoon when she was in labor with her >foal. Not sure what happened but she seemed to be doing fine when she had >what was very like a seizure, moments later she was gone. My vet was here and >he cut her baby from her dead body. He is a strong boy and was on his feet in >20 minutes. I am bottle feeding him every 90 minutes and so far so good. The >next few days are critical so I need both your prayers and advice. Anyone who >has raised an orphan foal I need your help please. I need to save this colt >he is all I have left of my beautiful horse. >I also need a name a strong Norwegian one that will give him and I strength >for the days ahead. The names I had picked out just don't seem appropriate >now. His sire is King Gjestar II. > Sue > > >Sue Clark-Sorger >Crown Oak Fjords >Sandia park NM
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sue, How tragically sad for you. I don't have any words of advice or wisdom. But could you check the vet's in your area and see if any mares have lost a foal? Maybe get the two of them together? I'll try to think of some good names for you today, if you haven't already come up with the perfect one. I'm so sad you lost your mare. Pamela
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This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I lost my beloved Katrina Sunday afternoon when she was in labor with her > foal. Not sure what happened but she seemed to be doing fine when she had > what was very like a seizure, moments later she was gone. Dear Sue, I am so sorry to hear of your loss. I hope the little one makes it and if I was your neighbor I would be there to help with all the extra MOM work. Carol in WI
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Julie welcome back and so glad you are doing well. Sorry about your mare, what a shock. Good things can happen though when it looks impossible. Can imagine that little foal is reaching up quite a ways to the udder of his adoptive mother. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hello everyone out in Fjord Land. I have been absent from the list since >our trip to South Africa in the middle of February, but now am caught up >enough to have time once again to read the list and participate. I am very >thankfully IN REMISSION at this time, and feeling strong and energetic! I >am so thankful for the countless good wishes and prayers that have come my >way. Just being able to feed our horses and shovel manure is a treat for >menever thought I would appreciate it so much! >me privately if interested in more information(snip) > >Spring is creeping into NY, with the grass looking greener every day, and >the peepers singing to each other at night. Happy Easter...Happy Spring!!! >Julie Will >Old Hickory Farm >Weedsport, New York > Well Julie, you just made my Easter EXTRA happy when I read of your improved health, that's wonderful news!! We're both very happy for you and appreciate you sharing that. Great story with a happy ending on the orphan foal too. A Happy Spring to you too! =) Ruthie and Gene, nw mt
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julie, Hearing that you are well again is the icing on the cake of a wonderful Easter. Keep doing whatever it is you are doing right! Sorry you lost your mare, but I'm very happy that you found a surrogate mom for the baby. Pamela
Re: Orphan Foal - Need Info and Prayers
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Carl & Sarah Nagel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Carl & Sarah Nagel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I am writing to the list on behalf of our friend, > Chip Lamb - Quad-L Ranch > and my dear niece, Jenny Sanders who works with > Chip. Yesterday, a mare of > Chip's -- Kay Kay -- died of an apparent twisted > intestine. So sorry to hear that big ol' KK is gone - how doubly awful when she had a new foal to raise. Good luck with the raising of the orphan. Don't have any experience with orphans, but have used Foal-lac in both bottle and pellet(after teeth come in) on a foal whose mother was sick. It worked just fine for us. Line actually took over "mothering" the baby while its momma was sick - we just provided the "nourishment", as she could not. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sarah what a sad story. I hope this foal has had sufficient colostrum? A twisted gut takes several days to do it's horrible job and I would hope that before that there was enough colostrum? You can get a substitute from your vet or some feed stores I believe. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
