Re: Blonken
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivian, I so agree with your statement of horse mills and auction horses. However the awful truth is that some of us fall into the cracks and so do the animals. whether it is the newborn gazelle that the lion gets or the horse who is sent to slaughter. I like to hide from this as it is so painful. I.e. turn off the wonderful animal pictures from Africa etc when the killing begins. I have also ceased to be friends with a person who sent her two healthy horses for slaughter. There are always the people who are driven by greed, i.e. the recent oil raises, or have no sense of life's beauties to begin with. One has to wonder what kinds of beginnings the latter had. I do not think we should be so alarmed by crossbreeding as it occurs everywhere. There are enough people who appreciate the purebreds to keep them going unless there is famine, war etc. There is still an aire of he is a purebred that gives us an edge above the cross bred. Not to mention the $$$ It is when someone tries to pass off a crossbred as a pure that we should jump in. Here with this situation of Blonken I sense the latter. Could be wrong. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Larson re the Blonken gal, I am not so sure we upset her as she felt there was a good deal of interest in Blonken and hence she should bring in more fjords. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to Vivian's comments about low priced Fjords, it does seem to go hand in hand with some sad situations for the horses. When I first started to look for a Fjord, I responded to some ads for Fjords maybe in the $2,000 range and it was so depressing. The horses very,very thin, lame and poorly put together. There was even a brother (stallion)and sister of breeding age together in the same pasture and this didn't seem to bother the owner at all! Fortunately, I had seen nicer Fjords in the past and I knew these weren't very good. It's depressing what people will do to make a buck and very sad for the horses. It's not their fault.
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder if anyone else is concerned about the implications of the Blonken posts and the 51/2 Fjords for Sale posts? Yes, Vivian, these things do concern me - for many of the same reasons that they concern you. But there is another reason that these things happen as well, having to do with Mother Nature's recent ravings. I would guess that a Fjord, or any horse, would be pretty hard to sell in many parts of the country this winter - particularly in Montana. When I visited Libby in September, I found out first hand from my neice that there simply was NO MORE hay to be had in western Montana at that time. It seems they had a pretty universal crop failure - as did many farmers here in western Washington. Hay is at a PREMIUM, if available at all, in many parts of the country this winter. Makes it pretty hard to sell horses, no matter how desperately you need to. Add to that the phenomenon that Fjords in particular can be nearly impossible to market in some blocks of the US - if it isn't a QH or an Arab they won't even look at it. I am completely serious here, having dealt with this for several years. It is one of the reasons we no longer raise Fjords - even though I hate the thought of Line's bloodline becoming scarce in the States. We simply could not sell them locally - or anywhere in Western Washington. Hopefully, with more people out here owning and using them this has changed in recent years. Just a couple more thoughts for listers to consider. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/26/00 5:41:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if anyone else is concerned about the implications of the Blonken posts and the 51/2 Fjords for Sale posts? Vivian- I agree totally! I was shocked at the number of horses for sale at this farm, as well as the low prices. Fjords are a hot commodity and you NEVER see or best offer in their ads, unless they're 35 years old or dead lame! There must be over 100 horses for sale. I was also alarmed at something written on the web site please be sure to make an appointment so someone will be at the farm to show you the animal (paraphrasing, please excuse...) like, no one is usually there during business hours to watch over the herds? Also many of the ads say, Easy to catch, meaning these animals likely live in large herds with little contact from people. It's sad. Brigid in CA
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder if anyone else is concerned about the implications of the Blonken posts and the 51/2 Fjords for Sale posts? Over the years I see more and more of these so called dispersal/distress sale ads. Have seen firsthand the condition of some the horses coming from theses sales. I am not suggesting that this is the case here, but whenever large numbers of Fjords flood the market at reduced prices it effects the value of all our FJords. Obviously divorce is an unforeseen complication in life, compounded by high emotional stress, financial and personal but sending these ponies to auction seems as though it is a very last resort action. Public horse auctions are not a very savory environment for any horse. Horses sold at auction come with no loving insight as to the nature of the particular animal being sold and the cheap prices make the animal an almost throw away investment if they do not work out. If these Fjords are sold without bloodtyping and registration papers they become part of the netherworld of unscrupulous horse breeder/dealers. As for the Blonken posts. This outfit seems to me to be the puppy mill broker for equines. To sell horses at such low prices and still manage to pay the bills and make a profit means that one has to cut corners that will impact the bottom line. This usually means no worming, low quality food and a minimum of quality handling. Just one small step above the auction. The Fjords that make it into the general horse owning public through these channels will most likely not have a positive impact on our breed as a whole. There will be exceptions to this, but most will live a mediocre existence before their new owners grow tired of them and send them to auction again or sell them for meat. For some death will be a welcome end to a life of continual suffering. I'm sorry, but I could not let these threads continue without adding my personal observations. Vivian Creigh
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This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:37 PM 1/24/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only $2000 horses didn't include a Leighla. The correct URL to see the list is: http://www.foreverton.com/
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This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:14 AM 1/25/00 +0300, you wrote: This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] False alarm, now I did find a Fjord mare at http://www.foreverton.com/snag.htm Sini. No that is a Llama. Here is the Fjord??? http://www.foreverton.com/leighla.htm
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This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meredith Sessoms wrote: Hey, wait a minute, Sini ... Snag is a llama! tehe Yup, I guess you're right. But he's almost as handsome as a Fjord in a winter coat, though. ;) Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
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This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] I asked about the mare - and where she is. No reply on location. Said she was not reg, but very breed typey. Asked if she is all Fjord or not - no answer yet. If figure she is 1/2 Fjord - is Blonken's dam - and Allison is right, Blonken is 1/4 Fjord. At 10:02 PM 1/24/2000 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just received an email from Karen saying this horse, Blonken, was sold. She did not answer my question about his being pure fjord or registered. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicker List Web Site : http://clickryder.cjb.net
re Blonken
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just received an email from Karen saying this horse, Blonken, was sold. She did not answer my question about his being pure fjord or registered. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: cnielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you go to the page with the picture of Blonken, then enter the index page, Leighla is about half way down.she looks to be a fjord but her mane is long. - Original Message - From: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FjordHorse-L fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 9:17 AM Subject: Blonken This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm This is probably his dam, looks pure Fjording to me: http://www.foreverton.com/graphx/ Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA Dorina NFR Aagot
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This message is from: Alison Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no way that that horse is more than 1/4 fjord. I have seen 1/2 fjords, and the Fjord traits are very dominant. Note: I think the blonde edges on duns are fairly normal. My sunny had them, and there was no doubt that he was not a Fjord
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/24/00 8:01:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm Looks like 1/2 Fjord, 1/2 QH? Interesting. There's another Fjord on the site, Leighla, with a natural mane. I wonder why this place has so many horses for sale, so cheap? You usually don't see for best offer next to a Fjord ad! Brigid
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This message is from: Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:05 AM 1/24/00 EST, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01/24/2000 11:01:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm Maybe its one of those lighter more athletic riding type Fjords we've been hearing about! : )
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This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meredith, which one of them do you think is the dam? Only found a list of names and none of them says Fjord - which is the right one? It looks like the list of names of horses for sale has already changed since I wrote the mesage to send to the list. False alarm, now I did find a Fjord mare at http://www.foreverton.com/snag.htm Sini. Hey, wait a minute, Sini ... Snag is a llama! tehe The link is: http://www.foreverton.com/leighla.htm Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA Dorina NFR Aagot
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This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] False alarm, now I did find a Fjord mare at http://www.foreverton.com/snag.htm Sini. This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm This is probably his dam, looks pure Fjording to me: http://www.foreverton.com/graphx/
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm confused, http://www.foreverton.com/snag.htm, is a llama.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only $2000 horses didn't include a Leighla.
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This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meredith, which one of them do you think is the dam? Only found a list of names and none of them says Fjord - which is the right one? Thanks Sini. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html Meredith Sessoms wrote: If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm This is probably his dam, looks pure Fjording to me: http://www.foreverton.com/graphx/
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This message is from: cnielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, there is a fjord mare, 5 yrs. old for $2000. her name is Leighla. there is a picture also. I wonder where they got her from - Original Message - From: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Blonken This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm I'm with you - Blonken looks like possibly a Fjord/QH cross. He appears to have a white lower right front leg, and a white spot on his nose. His tail appears to be all dark - no white - and pretty skimpy for a Fjord. He MIGHT even be pure QH!! For example, two years ago a friend bought a yearling QH colt at a sale. When he took me to the stall to show me the horse I could have sworn he was showing me a Fjord - maybe kidding me? Our Fjords were housed int he same barn and for a long time people kept mistaking that colt for a Fjord, or a Fjord cross. He actually WAS a purebred QH from all dun parentage. The QH people called him a line backed dun - is there any other kind of true dun? He even had lighter hairs on the outer edges of his mane and tail. The big thing that gave him away way the large white stripe running down his face, which became more noticeable as he got older. Regarding Blonken, maybe someone plugged the wrong picture into the ad? This is probably his dam, looks pure Fjording to me: http://www.foreverton.com/graphx/ Didn't see any fjords listed on the list of horses for sale at this site. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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This message is from: Wild Flower Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meredith Sessoms wrote: This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm To me that does not look too much like a fjord, but that is my opinion. Renee Lafleur www.geocities.com/Fjords2000/Fjords2000.html
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm I'm with you - Blonken looks like possibly a Fjord/QH cross. He appears to have a white lower right front leg, and a white spot on his nose. His tail appears to be all dark - no white - and pretty skimpy for a Fjord. He MIGHT even be pure QH!! For example, two years ago a friend bought a yearling QH colt at a sale. When he took me to the stall to show me the horse I could have sworn he was showing me a Fjord - maybe kidding me? Our Fjords were housed int he same barn and for a long time people kept mistaking that colt for a Fjord, or a Fjord cross. He actually WAS a purebred QH from all dun parentage. The QH people called him a line backed dun - is there any other kind of true dun? He even had lighter hairs on the outer edges of his mane and tail. The big thing that gave him away way the large white stripe running down his face, which became more noticeable as he got older. Regarding Blonken, maybe someone plugged the wrong picture into the ad? This is probably his dam, looks pure Fjording to me: http://www.foreverton.com/graphx/ Didn't see any fjords listed on the list of horses for sale at this site. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01/24/2000 11:01:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this is a Fjord I'll eat my hat! http://www.foreverton.com/blonken.htm He looks QH to me Kate in CT mom to Baldur
