Re: Hoof boots
This message is from: Carol Makosky I started out with the basic easy boot, but did not like the clinches on each side to help hold onto the hoof wall & they sucked off in mud. I have used the Simple boot & it stays on & that is my choice when needed. I tried the sock, but is a pain to put on. I have to say that when using a boot, it is not on for a whole day of driving or riding. On 1/20/15, 2:42 PM, me.kint wrote: This message is from: "me.kint" Sue, my brief exposure to hoof boots -- Tunix especially, walks out so much better. He doesn't like to hurt himself on rough footing. Hope this is helpful. Mary in So Cal > From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l -- "God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses." R.B. Cunningham Graham Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof Boots
This message is from: Lori Lemley A good, new rasp, sized to your hand, would make an enormous difference. If you find you need one in the future, you might want to look here: http://www.star-ridge.com/Page8.html Lori Lemley Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof boots
This message is from: Main Email I have the gloves and if we do much they come off. Because Soph is ... Soph she will stop if a boot is flapping around her foot in turnout. One buck and they're off! They work on the trail if we don't get in deep footing or scramble up something steep. They are the smallest that fit.. tried a half size smaller and even the gaiter around the pastern won't fit. I am going to look into the cavallos.. which version do you gave? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof boots
This message is from: Karen Keith I like the Easy Boot Gloves as well. They are nicely streamlined compared to the old Old Macs I had her in before. I had to add the power strap to the front, and they stay on great now. I do have to keep the hooves rasped and rolled myself between farrier visits as they do fit like a glove and don't tolerate the six or eight weeks of growth between farrier visits. I also have the Backcountry boots. It's the same shell as the Glove, but they've added the upper wrap around stuff like the Trails. Just a different option; I suppose more protection in rough going. Karen, No. VA Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:00 PM, "Me Kint" wrote: > This message is from: Me Kint > > > My Old Macs G-2 for Tunix need replacing. His heels seem too high for the > Renegades. (I always thought his heels average in height, they fit my Zoe > with low heels just fine). I'm looking at considering the Easy Boot Glove. > Have any of you tried them? Any opinions? The screws coming loose has been > an issue in the past, but the company states they have addressed that issue > this year with a different screw set. Anyone purchased since the screw change? > I've just returned Easy Boot Trails..the Velcro didn't fit around his > ample hoof & came off. I guess they would do better on a hoof that has a > more substantial decreasing to a narrow pastern. Any info would be > appreciated. > > From Mary's iPad > > PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof boots
This message is from: Main Email I like my gloves. Lighter and have gaiters to help keep on. I am going to add the additional piece across the front to make tighter. Their is a fitting kit for them on their website Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Me Kint wrote: >This message is from: Me Kint > > >My Old Macs G-2 for Tunix need replacing. His heels seem too high for the >Renegades. (I always thought his heels average in height, they fit my Zoe with >low heels just fine). I'm looking at considering the Easy Boot Glove. Have any >of you tried them? Any opinions? The screws coming loose has been an issue >in the past, but the company states they have addressed that issue this year >with a different screw set. Anyone purchased since the screw change? >I've just returned Easy Boot Trails..the Velcro didn't fit around his >ample hoof & came off. I guess they would do better on a hoof that has a more >substantial decreasing to a narrow pastern. Any info would be appreciated. > >From Mary's iPad > >PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. > >Important FjordHorse List Links: >Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e >FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw >FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Hoof Boots and Update on: Motivating a Fjord
This message is from: Michelle King Robin: Here's a website for barefoot trimmers: http://appliedequinepodiatry.org/United_States.html These trimmers are AMAZING!!! I have a woman who comes and does my Fjord's and pony's feet and we never have issues. In fact a week ago I put down gravel on the path to one of the field's gate and intended to put surepak down on it that afternoon but didn't get a chance. I had to take my Fjord out of the field and walk him across the gravel. I cringed at the idea but he didn't flinch at all. His feet are Fjord tough! Same with my daughter's pony--not one issue. If someone isn't listed in your area, feel free to email me and I'll get you in touch with the person who runs all the courses and maybe she can point you in the right direction. . .My "farrier" comes every 5 weeks b/c that's what works best for our horses. She does spread it out in the winter to about 7 weeks because the hoof growth is slowed considerably. And an update on my Fjord: Thanks again to everyone who as replied. Clicker training wasn't really the way I wanted to go with my Fjord. His saddle fit was fine. Reading Andrew McLean's work was VERY helpful. So far I have read his books "The Truth About Horses" and "Equitation Science". "The Truth" book had more practical advice but the "Science" book had more technical reasons for why he trains the way he does. I am still waiting for his "Training Manual" from Australia. That seemed to be the only place to order it from (but they are offering 20% off now so that helped with the shipping!). Here's a nice overview of his methods that I found in a dressage forum: http://www.createforum.com/naturaldressage/viewtopic.php?p=10099&sid=31d715f 67bc602a4af1f6435a881a645&mforum=naturaldressage Does it work? Well, I can't say I'm an expert. I started changing how I rode my boy after I just read some things online and what a difference! He became lighter the first ride! He possess self carriage more and more of the time. I really, really like how he's moving and how easy he is to get moving. I don't use spurs but I do carry my dressage whip as a training aid. I do some ground work with him, more because I find it very helpful and easy to incorporate it into our riding sessions. The photographs in his book are wonderful for illustrating his points so you can see how your horse is responding to you. I highly recommend it. I am always surprised how sweaty Luke is after working even though our sessions aren't very long. It shows me how hard he is working and concentrating. Best part: I look forward to riding him daily. And he is now being ridden at least 5 days per week. In addition to this change I have been giving him two Bach Flower essences before I ride. I do believe that helps too. Thanks again for everyone's input! Michelle -- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:35:39 -0800 (PST) From: Robin Churchill Subject: Re: Hoof Boots This message is from: Robin Churchill This horse has a foot that is longer than it is wide partially naturally and partially the way he was currently trimmed. My thought about this whole thing is that I want to get these horses on the same farrier schedule because trailering out on different schedules is killing me and I am just fed up with the shoes on this horse. He lost the right front shoe two weeks before he was last shod and then again 2 days after he was shod. Also I feel like (and I could be wrong) that despite his problems, if I could get the hoof in a more natural shape and get rid of the nail holes perhaps he would do better. My objective is to have him walk around comfortably and if he can be ridden that would be a plus. My main riding horses are now the 2 fjords and one of them needs to be on a 4 week schedule to keep the flare out of his hoof and keep it from cracking at the toe. I've mentioned before that the farrier that does the big horse only does a 6 week schedule because he has so many clients and for his personal life. Unfortunately the west coast of Florida is not like the east coast or Ocala area where good farriers and horse vets are a dime a dozen and if you don't like one you can easily get another. Right now I am putting a Boa boot on the unshod hoof when he is turned out and a softride boot in the stall but my objective would be for him to be barefoot most of the time unless he is being ridden once his feet get used to being without shoes and are gradually brought into a more natural shape. I also saw a product called sole guard that I thought might be appropriate when he first has the shoes pulled but I don't know anyone who has used it. I am going to take a look at the Renegade and Cavallo boots but I also was looking at the Easy Boot Trail which are supposedly e
Re: Hoof Boots
This message is from: "Jo Wilgus" as i said earlier, i love my Renegade hoof boots. i talked to kirk the owner of the company, he helped me do exactly what was needed to get the correct fit. take photo this and that etc. i sent thm to him and he made the suggestion of a sz. 2 for both regn and duffers. i have ridden in sand, water, mud, rocks, hills. they are easy-peasy to put on, fit secure and look real cool, hee, hee. neither ponies have had shoes ever and they are shod every 10 weeks. duffers has more problem with fit of boots by week 8, regn is always a good fit. they still fit duffers i just have to tap his toe to get it fitted. no biggy. my friend bought hers on ebay, after she found out the sz. needed. i have had mine 2 years or so , they are working good as new. jo wilgus This horse has a foot that is longer than it is wide partially naturally and partially the way he was currently trimmed> Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof Boots
This message is from: Robin Churchill I have looked at the Soft Touch Grinder and I have been starting to rasp some myself. I now have a farrier that I am taking the one fjord to who while he is not a "barefoot trimmer" does mostly barefoot horses and gets the toe shorter and that has helped with the cracks and the horse's tripping. I am planning on switching all the horses to him since he is more accomodating of what they need but I still will have to take them to him. I will look at the heels on the horse that gets cracks, but that horse's hooves are not upright--they more want to spread out. The other fjord actually has a more upright hoof and his are perfect and never a problem except that he had thrush when I got him and his frogs are still growing out from that. The big horse actually has a mild club foot on the right, but in general has the hooves that want to spread instead of growing down. It seems to me that those type of hooves need frequent reshaping to keep the toe from getting too long without taking off too much and making the horse sore. I tried to find a real barefoot trimmer in our area with no luck. There are some in Ocala and I think Wellington but they are both hours from me. I will check out the yahoo abrasive trimming list. Thanks for all the advice. Some days these hoof/foot issues just make me want to beat my head against a tree. Robin From: Gail Russell To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com" Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: RE: Hoof Boots This message is from: Gail Russell Have you considered trimming yourself? Have you seen the Soft Touch Grinder? Subscribed to the yahoo abrasivetrimming list? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Hoof Boots
This message is from: Gail Russell Have you considered trimming yourself? Have you seen the Soft Touch Grinder? Subscribed to the yahoo abrasivetrimming list? I feel your pain! By the way, I have a grey Fjord with an upright hoof. Always has tended to be like that, despite absolutely regular hoof care since he was born. My current barefoot trimmer, who I think is wonderful, says that toe crack could be coming from too high heels putting pressure on the toe. Since this trimmer worked on him, that hoof crack seldom comes back ...though this horse's heels try to grow too long ALL the time. Gail . My main riding horses are now the 2 fjords and one of them needs to be on a 4 week schedule to keep the flare out of his hoof and keep it from cracking at the toe. I've mentioned before that the farrier that does the big horse only does a 6 week schedule because he has so many clients and for his personal life. Unfortunately the west coast of Florida is not like the east coast or Ocala area where good farriers and horse vets are a dime a dozen and if you don't like one you can easily get another. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof Boots
This message is from: Lola Lahr I hear you! I have an Arabian mare (12 years- starting when she was 4- of dealing with this!!) with a similar story. I finally finally found a solution: a hoof supplement with *copper* in it!! It has worked wonders, and I found out about it via a blog on the Easy Care site. I know it works because we've run out a couple of times and she gets really ouchy in just a week without it, then we start it again and the ouchiness is gone- works that way every time. So, we know that we CANNOT run out of it. My 20 y/o fjord mare is the same now in just one front foot. A friend of mine started supplementing the copper formula with her Fjord gelding - same result. I think you are definitely on the right track with going barefoot. Pete Ramey's website as well as the Easy Care website might be very interesting for you. Lola On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Robin Churchill wrote: > This message is from: Robin Churchill > > > This horse has a foot that is longer than it is wide partially naturally > and > partially the way he was currently trimmed. My thought about this whole > thing > is that I want to get these horses on the same farrier schedule because > trailering out on different schedules is killing me and I am just fed up > with > the shoes on this horse. He lost the right front shoe two weeks before he > was > last shod and then again 2 days after he was shod. Also I feel like (and I > could be wrong) that despite his problems, if I could get the hoof in a > more > natural shape and get rid of the nail holes perhaps he would do better. My > objective is to have him walk around comfortably and if he can be ridden > that > would be a plus. My main riding horses are now the 2 fjords and one of them > needs to be on a 4 week schedule to keep the flare out of his hoof and > keep it > from cracking at the toe. I've mentioned before that the farrier that does > the > big horse only does a 6 week schedule because > he has so many clients and for his personal life. Unfortunately the west > coast of Florida is not like the east coast or Ocala area where good > farriers > and horse vets are a dime a dozen and if you don't like one you can easily > get > another. > > > Right now I am putting a Boa boot on the unshod hoof when he is > turned out and a softride boot in the stall but my objective would be for > him > to be barefoot most of the time unless he is being ridden once his feet get > used to being without shoes and are gradually brought into a more natural > shape. I also saw a product called sole guard that I thought might be > appropriate when he first has the shoes pulled but I don't know anyone who > has > used it. > > I am going to take a look at the Renegade and Cavallo boots but I > also was looking at the Easy Boot Trail which are supposedly easy to put on > and off, more appropriate for an oval foot and ok to turn out in. I guess > they > are pretty new but the reviews of them on-line seem positive. > > Thanks to > everyone who wrote with advice and if anyone else has any opinion still > would > be glad to hear it. > One thing I know for sure if you are looking at a horse > with any kind of foot problem or feet that have potential to cause > problems, > RUN. I have had this horse for 16 years and his foot problems have been the > bane of his existence and mine. I think if I had been more experienced and > had > access to better farriers at times things might have been different but I > guess that's water under the bridge now. I would never put shoes on a horse > now unless there was no other option. > > > Robin > > fit an oval foot better (they were designed > for Arabians and endurance horses first I think) than a really round foot, > but > the gaiter helps stabilize the boot. Easy Boots are not super easy to put > on, > though. > If you are riding on groomed trails and fields, I'd suggest the > Renegades. > Sue Banks > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof Boots
This message is from: Robin Churchill This horse has a foot that is longer than it is wide partially naturally and partially the way he was currently trimmed. My thought about this whole thing is that I want to get these horses on the same farrier schedule because trailering out on different schedules is killing me and I am just fed up with the shoes on this horse. He lost the right front shoe two weeks before he was last shod and then again 2 days after he was shod. Also I feel like (and I could be wrong) that despite his problems, if I could get the hoof in a more natural shape and get rid of the nail holes perhaps he would do better. My objective is to have him walk around comfortably and if he can be ridden that would be a plus. My main riding horses are now the 2 fjords and one of them needs to be on a 4 week schedule to keep the flare out of his hoof and keep it from cracking at the toe. I've mentioned before that the farrier that does the big horse only does a 6 week schedule because he has so many clients and for his personal life. Unfortunately the west coast of Florida is not like the east coast or Ocala area where good farriers and horse vets are a dime a dozen and if you don't like one you can easily get another. Right now I am putting a Boa boot on the unshod hoof when he is turned out and a softride boot in the stall but my objective would be for him to be barefoot most of the time unless he is being ridden once his feet get used to being without shoes and are gradually brought into a more natural shape. I also saw a product called sole guard that I thought might be appropriate when he first has the shoes pulled but I don't know anyone who has used it. I am going to take a look at the Renegade and Cavallo boots but I also was looking at the Easy Boot Trail which are supposedly easy to put on and off, more appropriate for an oval foot and ok to turn out in. I guess they are pretty new but the reviews of them on-line seem positive. Thanks to everyone who wrote with advice and if anyone else has any opinion still would be glad to hear it. One thing I know for sure if you are looking at a horse with any kind of foot problem or feet that have potential to cause problems, RUN. I have had this horse for 16 years and his foot problems have been the bane of his existence and mine. I think if I had been more experienced and had access to better farriers at times things might have been different but I guess that's water under the bridge now. I would never put shoes on a horse now unless there was no other option. Robin fit an oval foot better (they were designed for Arabians and endurance horses first I think) than a really round foot, but the gaiter helps stabilize the boot. Easy Boots are not super easy to put on, though. If you are riding on groomed trails and fields, I'd suggest the Renegades. Sue Banks Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof Boots
This message is from: Lola Lahr I started with Old Macs and they were great at the time, but not as streamlined as the later models of hoof boots that Easy Care designed. One of my horses kept stepping on himself with the Old Macs. I then went to Boas, better, but I kept losing the button covers and they were hot, a little clunky, etc. (I've kept them for soaking boots and turn out boots for sore feet etc). Easy care now make the Gloves in a "wide" that is suited for rounder feet. they also make a trail boot and a back country boot that I've heard are very nice. So many choices now! On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Sam Banks wrote: > This message is from: Sam Banks > > > Hi Robin, > , I like the Easy Boot Epics the best. They stay on, even if the > buckle on the front gets popped open. They do generally fit an oval foot > better (they were designed for Arabians and endurance horses first I think) > than a really round foot, but the gaiter helps stabilize the boot. Easy > Boots are not super easy to put on, though. > If you are riding on groomed trails and fields, I'd suggest the > Renegades. > Sue Banks > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof Boots
This message is from: Sam Banks Hi Robin, I have used the older Old Macs, the Easy Boot Epics and the Renegades. I did not like the Old Macs, as they fit too loose and could spin, and they wore out some nylon strap-hardware areas very quickly. The Renegades are super easy to put on and not as hot as the Easy Boots, so I use them in the summer for trail riding. I've had the velcro come loose as the brush can rip off the little keepers, so I can't count on them for fox hunting. I think they have improved the straps recently, so I haven't tried those. For fox hunting and going off the trail through brush, I like the Easy Boot Epics the best. They stay on, even if the buckle on the front gets popped open. They do generally fit an oval foot better (they were designed for Arabians and endurance horses first I think) than a really round foot, but the gaiter helps stabilize the boot. Easy Boots are not super easy to put on, though. If you are riding on groomed trails and fields, I'd suggest the Renegades. Sue Banks Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof boots
This message is from: =?utf-8?B?bG9sYWxhaHJAZ21haWwuY29t?= I like Easycare Epics and Gloves. I use them on all 4 of my Fjords. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Me Kint" To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com" Subject: Hoof boots Date: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:42 PM This message is from: Me Kint PS! Robin. I don't know if you are aware that these boots shouldn't be worn 24/7 by your horse. A while back I had a horse that I had kept the boots on 24/7 because a farrier (I no longer have) messed up my horses feet. I found out that it wasn't good for my horses feet (cant remember what happened, sigh). Anyway I just use the boots when I ride or drive. The horses move a lot better especially if there are rocks along the way. >From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. On Dec 7, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Me Kint wrote: Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Hoof boots
This message is from: Me Kint Robin, I have used Old Macs & currently have started using Renegade boots. I imagine the Cavallos are pretty good too. What you need to be concerned about is your horses hoof confirmation. That can affect what choice you make because these 3 boots won't fit all kinds of feet. None of them are cheap but they do last a long time & will save you in the long run. I found the Renegade people very helpful in trying to determine proper fit & Jeffers had put me in contact with a rep for Old Mac & Cavallos who were also very helpful. Renegade has a website that goes into hoof confirmation that their boots are suitable for, I imagine there might be a resource for Cavallos & Old Mac. Once you get them adjusted, the Renegades are quicker to get on & off, but my horses have done equally well in both. Mary >From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Robin Churchill wrote: Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Hoof Boots at Fjord Competitions?
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I did have a horse that, when shod with pads, did move better. Isn't there some requirement in the evaluations that horses not be shod with pads, corrective shoes, etc? I do think that the footing would likely not be an issue, although it seems to me that the outdoor footing (where some of the performance evaluations were done) in Winona might have been a little difficult for a horse that tended toward a flat sole? Why would you need boots when showing a horse in conformation? The footing in the arena (whether inside or outside) probably is not something that would be difficult for a barefoot horse to walk on. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Hoof Boots at Fjord Competitions?
This message is from: "Lola Lahr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why would you need boots when showing a horse in conformation? The footing in the arena (whether inside or outside) probably is not something that would be difficult for a barefoot horse to walk on. For competition, that might be an interesting question. I have a subscription to The Horse's Hoof, and more and more competitors are participating with either barefoot horses, or with horses wearing hoof boots - and winning - especially in endurance. On 2/26/07, Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Gail Russell wrote: > > >Does anyone know how they have/would be treated at Fjord > shows/evaluations? > > > This would be a good question to be addressed by the NFHR Board of > Directors and the Evaluation Committee. Some policy might be necessary. > As far as evaluating a horse is concerned, if the horse were presented > in Conformation in these type of boots, I would ask the presenter to > take them off, as part of the breed standard includes the shape and > appearance of the hoof. As for performance, personally, if they did not > hinder or affect the natural movement of the horse in any way, I > wouldn't see any reason to ask that they be removed. Most evaluations > have been held in decent enough footing that it probably wouln't be > necessary to have the horses, that were used to going barefoot, wear any > kind of hoof protection anyway. > > Beth > > -- > Starfire Farm > Beth Beymer and Sandy North > http://www.starfirefarm.com > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Hoof Boots at Fjord Competitions?
This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail Russell wrote: Does anyone know how they have/would be treated at Fjord shows/evaluations? This would be a good question to be addressed by the NFHR Board of Directors and the Evaluation Committee. Some policy might be necessary. As far as evaluating a horse is concerned, if the horse were presented in Conformation in these type of boots, I would ask the presenter to take them off, as part of the breed standard includes the shape and appearance of the hoof. As for performance, personally, if they did not hinder or affect the natural movement of the horse in any way, I wouldn't see any reason to ask that they be removed. Most evaluations have been held in decent enough footing that it probably wouln't be necessary to have the horses, that were used to going barefoot, wear any kind of hoof protection anyway. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Hoof Boots
This message is from: Silja Knoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have enjoyed the same pair of Boa Boots for the second winter now. My TB/QH mare is also between sizes (2/3) so I bought the bigger pair and depending on her current hoof size I put an 'insole' in the boot. Basically I just bought and cut to size a hoof pad, one a farrier would place between hoof and shoe for bruising, snow, etc. It is working out great. One of the boots seems to slip on occasion, and ONCE one came off, but I found it quickly.(that was before the 'insole") They are pricey, around $130/pair and I got two pairs. But they are lasting so far. I also use the gators, which resemble regular wrap type contraptions with a velcro closure that is very easy to get on and off. I am not saying these things stay on perfectly under all conditions (I do lots of trotting and cantering), but it is better than wintertime shoes, they take less than 3 minutes to put on (that is for all 4 boots) and come off really easy. They aren't perfect, but I like them and would b! uy them again. Good Luck! Happy Trails, Silja Knoll Colorado. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently removed Joe's shoes, and we are having a difficult transition period. I've talked to a couple of people from this list, but thought I'd go to a wider audience for their experiences with hoof boots. Here's where we're at now: Davis Barrier Boots - I bought these when they were the only ones I could find immediately in my area. They are only for dire emergencies! These boots fit Joe well, but can only be used for hand walking, and even then, they twist constantly and have to be readjusted very 5 minutes or so. Old Mac's - Joe is between sizes, but is wearing a Size 7 now which is a bit too big but is okay for the time being. I find them to be easy to put on and take off, although adding the pastern wrap makes it a much bigger ordeal. The pastern wrap is a neoprene tube that pulls over the hoof, and it was quite an ordeal to get it on over his hoof, and just as bad taking it off. There is no strap under the wrap - two velco tabs on the side hook onto the velcro of the boot itself. Overall, I think the Old Macs are too big and bulky, get very dirty and icky, and will not be my permanent boot of choice. And although there is no obvious sign of chafing after wearing them for a week during our walks, I don't like the nylon straps that cross at the back of the pastern. I think Joe is trying to bite them off when I remove the boots (or maybe he is trying to bite me to keep me from taking them off in the first place since they help him walk!!) Easyboot Epic - I bought a Size 2 based on Joe's measurements, and absolutely could not get them on. In using a tracing of his hoof, the Size 3 was too large. The gaiter tore off as I tried to put it around his pastern (his pastern is 8" at the narrowest point, 11" at the hock). I hated the cleats, and was kind of bewildered by the entire wire fastening system. Easyboot BOA - this is probably the next boot I will try. My biggest concern is several reports on how the boots rub, like this one _http://www.horsetackreview.com/review-display/1767.html_ (http://www.horsetackreview.com/review-display/1767.html) . My experience with the Easyboot gaiters was not a great one because of his large pastern, so I am not sure gaiters will help with any potential chafing. Marquis - this is the boot that I am most interested in. I like the fit, the way they go on, the construction, the materials, and the concept that an inflatable sac helps fill in any sizing gaps. In fact, the only thing I don't like is that same inflatable sac which requires special equipment to use. If the BOA's don't work out, this is probably the next set I'll try - very pricey ($300), but if they work, then they are worth it. I like that they have a trial program so you can get a pair for a couple of weeks before making a decision. Hoofwings - these "sandal" type boots I like for the concept, ease of use, and the commitment of the company/manufacturer. However, the design would seem to let dirt, rocks, etc. get into the boot. They do make a sock that goes with it. Swissboot - way too much effort and customization for me to tackle at this time, for me and my pleasure riding only pony! Maybe it would be worth it if I was a competition rider, but not for now.
Re: Hoof Boots/barefoot conditioning
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:13:54 EST Subject: Hoof Boots This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently removed Joe's shoes, and we are having a difficult transition period. I've talked to a couple of people from this list, but thought I'd go to a wider audience for their experiences with hoof boots. Here's where we're at now: *** Hi Kate- In the struggle to find the best boot, one understands why folks did the iron shoe thing in the first place! Just stick 'em on and you're good to go for 6 weeks... My horses have been barefoot for years, and I have learned that the environment is the most important ingredient for barefoot soundness. When my horses live in clean, dry conditions and are ridden/exercised frequently, they are "sound as a pound" on just about any surface. If they have to stand in mud or urine, or if I take them from a soft pasture to ride on a sharp rocky road, the results are not so great. Don't despair, as it takes a year for a whole new hoof to grow out in a stronger form. I have decided that special hoof trims have little effect. I have studied different styles of trimming, from Strasser-type to your basic farrier pasture trim, and have found that, in the end, the environment will determine the soundness. Of course you need someone with a basic level of competancy who understands the shape of the natural hoof and doesn't remove too much horn or leave too much heel, etc., but beyond that it's up for grabs. I've settled on the Old Mac boots and am pretty happy with them. They are not perfect, but they are easy to put on and they do the job. Now I only have to use them as needed. Brigid
RE: Hoof Boots
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just did a search on Dallmer Clogs and found this site. http://www.huf-shop.de/deutsch/assets/own/safedataframe.html?fsrc=http://www .huf-shop.de/deutsch/pi355116985.htm?categoryId=11 You will not be able to translate it. If someone who speaks the language (German) can figure out whether they can be ordered and sent to the US, that would be good to know. Have a look and tell us what you think (anyone) about the shape. It looks like a great shape for a Fjord hoof. Most sites say that the company does not respond to them, but this looks like a site where you can actually purchase them for 144 Euros. There is a close up there of a boot with a nice rolled toe. I find the Boas have a pointed toe, and are essentially shaped like hind feet hooves. I read that the G-2 Old Macs are now narrower. Brigit had said that the old ones fit better because they were wider. Sonow the new ones will not fit as well. Not sure whether you can buy the generation one Old Mac's new. The new Old Macs do have a less pointed toe. It seems like one should be able to make their own gaiters along the principles of a hiking sock. The best hiking sock system is a thin inner sock (silk, knitted usually) and a wool knitted outer sock. I wonder if there is a way to make such a thing out of thrift store materials. GAil
RE: Hoof Boots
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you go to this site you can get a view of all sides of the Dallmer boot. It looks to me like you would have to put a pad in the bottom, or it would fill up with gravel. Pete Ramey has some system for putting a pad in an Easy Boot that gives the horse's foot frog pressure. This Dallmer is really just a strap on iron shoe in some respects, so using Pete's system would be a closer approximation to a barefoot horse (assuming it would work). http://www.huf-shop.de/english/3d/dallmer-hufschuhe_3d.html
