Re: Stallions and mares
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol made some interesting observations concerning the contributions mares make in the stallion mare mix. I have often heard that the mare contributes perhaps 60%. An old horseman once told me that behind every good horse is a good mare (mother Philip == The observation that Mares contribute more than the sire is based on the additional discovery of Mitochondria, which when carefully analyzed is of really no great importance. I wrote to a Genetical Engineer last fall and asked him about the 50/50 ratio, if it is correct, and this is what he said I agree with you, Ruth - offspring are a 50/50 mix of both parents. However, the mother is (usually) the only parent to pass mitochondria to the offspring. Mitochondria are a tiny fraction of the complete genome (about 1 part in hundreds of thousands). I suspect that is where folks get the idea that the mom provides more genetics info (but it is very minor). Ruthie, nw mt
Re: stallions with mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Martie, They are bad here, too! We have seen more misquitos this year than I think we have in the last 3! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Shetlands White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: stallions with mares
This message is from: Curtis Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone. I just wanted to add my two cents worth about letting stallions run with mares. I would never, never risk it! I agree with hand breeding and the use of hobbles. In all cases where you don't know the mare or the mare is not giving you the right signs, you need to take precautions. If you got a stallion that has been running with the mares for some time, I bet the stallion and you know the mares pretty well. This message is from: Snowy Mtn. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hobbles ? Although I have bought an expencive breeding hobble, I am afraid to use it. A neighbour's Arab mare had to be put down after being hobbled during breeding she tried kicking with the hobbles on and ruined her spine. Maybe that was the stallion managers fault for trying to breed a mare when she wasn't ready? Some mares are nasty tho. In the end breeding is a very dangerous buisiness for mare, stallion handler. It should never be taken for granted. How has other peoples experience with breeding hobbles been.? I think you identified the problem with the hobbles - the stallion managers fault. You also need to adjust and use the hobbles correctly or they can still be a problem. In all cases, have help and pay attention to what signs the mare and stallion are using. I have taken to spending the money to having all mares ultrasounded. Now, I don't have to take the chance with flirtatous mares that are already pregnant. One mare bred here last year the owner absolutely refusesd to have ultrsounded. Unfortuneatly she had twins and both died. What a waste. This didn't have to happen. Hopefully some of us can learn from others mistakes. Now I will only breed in hand and have all my mares ultrasounded. We had 3 out of 5 ultrasounded pregnent last week, pictures and everything How neat. Now I know who to focus my attention on. Well said! I don't know of any vet or book on breeding that doesn't recommend ultrasounding the mare at 18 days. This checks that the mare is in-foal and doesn't have twins. Any more lessons learned out there? I'm interested in learning more. Take care and enjoy your Fjords! Curt Pierce Bristow VA Our Fjords say that it is too hot! It was in the mid 90's today with more tomorrow.
Re: stallions with mares
This message is from: John Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our vet told us the same thing LAST year as soon as he got his first batch of vaccines. Since we live between two rivers and there are LOTS of misquitos and ticks, we get the Lyme, Potomac Fever and West Nile each year. I sure hope the shots are working; misquitos are BAD this year. We have had no bad reactions to them so far. Martie in MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our vet made us laugh, he simply saidWe ARE vaccinating for West Nile this year. He is very concerned. Lynda
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Julie, All of our Fjords and Shetlands have been vaccinated for West Nile this year. Not one problem. We also had a crow tested positive down in Lansing!! The cost of the vaccination is well worth it, in our opinion, as the cost of vet care for a horse with West Nile is exceptionally expensive and more often than not, the illness is fatal for the horse. Our vet made us laugh, he simply saidWe ARE vaccinating for West Nile this year. He is very concerned. Lynda Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Shetlands White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: stallions with mares/ hobbles ?
This message is from: Snowy Mtn. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with Julie about the risk of mares running with stallions. It was our lovely Cruizer that got killed by a mare. He was an experienced stallion and a gentleman when it came to breeding. I beleave the mare had a split esterous, showing heat but not being in a true heat. I has been my experience also that Stallions not taught to breed in hand from the very beginning are not as easy to handle in hand later. Hobbles ? Although I have bought an expencive breeding hobble, I am afraid to use it. A neighbour's Arab mare had to be put down after being hobbled during breeding she tried kicking with the hobbles on and ruined her spine. Maybe that was the stallion managers fault for trying to breed a mare when she wasn't ready? Some mares are nasty tho. In the end breeding is a very dangerous buisiness for mare, stallion handler. It should never be taken for granted. How has other peoples experience with breeding hobbles been.? I have taken to spending the money to having all mares ultrasounded. Now, I don't have to take the chance with flirtatous mares that are already pregnant. One mare bred here last year the owner absolutely refusesd to have ultrsounded. Unfortuneatly she had twins and both died. What a waste. This didn't have to happen. Hopefully some of us can learn from others mistakes. Now I will only breed in hand and have all my mares ultrasounded. We had 3 out of 5 ultrasounded pregnent last week, pictures and everything How neat. Now I know who to focus my attention on. Don't begrudge spending your hard earned money on a good stallion. The owner of the stallion doesn't always have an easy job. The stallion may enjoy his work but it is risky buisiness even with hobbles. Those vets sure earn their money too. Ultrasounding isn't always easy either.our poor vet has been kicked a few to many times, not by ours mares but i think I'll build a stock for the mares just to show I appreciate him and don't want him to get hurt. Good luck to all of you and your horses Lauren www.fjordhorse.net - Original Message - From: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: June 23, 2002 6:39 AM Subject: stallions with mares This message is from: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone. I just wanted to add my two cents worth about letting stallions run with mares. I would never, never risk it! I know it works for some people, and it might seem the natural way to go, and the mares will teach the stallion manners, but is it really worth risking an injury to the stallion, or even death, as happened to one of our listers a few years ago? At OHF all breeding is done by hand, and mares are hobbled to prevent the stallion from being kicked.
Re: Stallions and Mares and more
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I was first calling around about a Fjord to buy (before Kilar), most of the ones advertised locally (within 300 miles) were smaller. I was willing to take anything over 13.2 but needed something well trained and with lots of experience and most of them were either riding or driving but not both. At that time I thought that most Fjords were in the 13-13.3 range. Since getting Kilar, I have seen lots of bigger Fjords. He is a nice 14.0 barefoot. And I still use a mounting block around the barn because it is easier on both of us than having me tug at the saddle to get on. He was a little confused about it when I got him - would turn to face me whenever I stood on the block, but he caught on quick. Martie in MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Fjords are being bred increasingly taller (it would be interesting to see the average height over the years, but I was originally looking for a Fjord on the low end of the breed average and couldn't find ANY less than 14 or 14.2 hands, and I've only seen two or three listed for sale since then, while there've been plenty of 14 to 15+ hand ones).
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This message is from: truman matz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catherine, I'd have to agree with that. Seems to me that many years ago the QH used to range 14 to 15 hands, and now are 16 plus. Same with Arabs, only more recently. Arabs didn't used to be much taller than the Fjords. They're striving for the 16 hand horses, also. Same with Curlies. Americans, for reasons beyond my compreshension, just seem to want larger horses. Unfortunately, it seems that to get the size, we sacrifice other qualities. Some improvements, just aren't. Judy -Original Message- *** Diana... I have a 13.1 mare for sale that does not get any action on the sales list. But the Fjords I had listed at 15 hand had about 10 to 20 calls a piece. I think they are making them big because the market is wanting them big... (My thoughts on this... I would not mind other people commenting on this subject.) Catherine Lassesen
