Re: foal scours
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm confused about your statement here regarding the ivermectin absorption. > Are you saying the foal absorbs the ivermectin and that is why it doesn't get > the parasites? Well the book didn't say, but I'm theorizing that "something" from the ivermectin must be passing through the mares milk and being absorbed by the foal ... since the study did said that you have to give the mare the ivermectin within 12 hours of giving birth in order for the foal to receive the benefit of lifelong immunity from that particular parasite, and that 12 hours is the timeframe during which the foal's gut is able to absorb stuff. So I'm guessing that something from the ivermectin gets absorbed, and if you give it sooner during those 12 hours it gets absorbed even better and gives you the added benefit of immunity from foal scours too. This is all conjecture on my part but the original study is real and scientific. Lori
Re: foal scours
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was talking to my vet about this > just the other day...he told me one of his other breeders told him (and > swears by it) that they worm the mare within a day of birthing...and the > foals NEVER get scours ??? In the "Complete Book of Foaling" by Karen Hayes DVM, she cites research at the University of Illinois Veterinary Medicine Teaching Hospital in 1988 which revealed that treatment of mares withing twelve hours of parturition with oral ivermectin can prevent the development of certain intestinal parasites in their foals. She goes on to say that subsequent studeies have upheld the report, indicating that the ivermectin treatment essentially provided foals with an opportunity for a lifetime free of infestation by the parasite "Strongyloides westeri". According to the study, the timing of the treatment is crucial. Treatment later than twelve hours after birth, as well as the use any deworming product other than ivermectin will not yield the reported results. The author goes on to say that since ivermectin is approved for use in pregnant mares and in very young foals, and since the implications of the report are so important, it seems foolhardy not to follow the recommendations of the study. Accordingly, I have always dewormed all our mares immediately postpartum with ivermectin. Now, for how this relates to foal scours. I was talking to Vivian C. a while back and she mentioned that someone on her equine repro list had mentioned this fact which Aimee brought up, about how deworming the mare with ivermectin immediately postpartum will also prevent foal scours. Since I've done this now with six foals I can report on our results. Three of the six foals have never scoured, and the other three did. The ones that never scoured (and what a treat that is!) were the ones that I was present for the whole birth and there were no complicating factors, like delays in nursing, so for those foals presumably I administered the ivermectin sooner than the ones where I missed the birth by an hour or so (never more). I usually give the ivermectin after we get the details of navel, enema, afterbirth, and nursing taken care of. Since research has shown that peak absorption of colostrum occurs at about 3 hours, I'm guessing that perhaps that holds true for the ivermectin absorption as well and the benefits are increased if you can give it to the mare before 3 hours postpartum. Anyhow, that's the result of my informal study. Lori
Re: foal scours
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/25/2002 10:05:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Kez is now 14 months old and doing great. He is still with Beth and Sandy at > > Starfire and will be for another year. I can't give him the pasture and > playmates he has there. He is as tall as the other yearlings and has lost > much of the pot belly he had. He can hold his own with the other youngsters > > and shows few signs of the start he had. > You have done a wonderful job with that baby. And are continuing by letting him be a horse with other horses at a barn where there is talent. Many people would not have done nearly as good a job as you have. I bet he's going to be a spectacular horse for you. Pamela
Re: foal scours
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a book called Veterinary Guide to Horse Breeding, I bought it when Katrina was in foal. As most of you know Katrina died in labor and my vet saved her colt by doing a c-section. The book says foal scours are caused by the foal eating manure and nibbling on hay and grain and not to use anything but Vaseline to prevent scalding. Keswick had diarrhea for 2 days at around 10 days old, as an orphan and being hand fed it could not have possible had anything to do with the his mothers food intake or her heat cycle. The book also says that some times a foal will get scours from consuming more milk than it can absorb it occurs in foals whose mothers are heavy milk producers. Another cause of scours is a temporary lactase deficiency which can cause carbohydrate intolerance. Probably more than you ever wanted to know about scours but there it is. Kez is now 14 months old and doing great. He is still with Beth and Sandy at Starfire and will be for another year. I can't give him the pasture and playmates he has there. He is as tall as the other yearlings and has lost much of the pot belly he had. He can hold his own with the other youngsters and shows few signs of the start he had. Heather, my 4 year old mare is also at Starfire for training so my barn is very quiet this summer with only my mustang Mahogany and 2 goats in residence. Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM
Re: foal scours
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/24/2002 6:46:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What about mares that don't get ANY grain? My family has raised horses all > my > life, and I think about every foal we've ever raised has scoured in some > degree during foal heat, whether Mom was on grain & hay, just hay or > pasture. > We have found over the years that Kaopectate seems to work better than > Pepto > for cleaning up the scours, and a warm washing followed by a lite coating > of > Vaseline keeps the burning & hair loss to a minimum. > We started giving probiotics. Were a little late, you're supposed to do it the day they are born, then at day 4 to prevent. I forgot and gave her her first dose on the 4th day. She had only a very very light case of scours. And is such an angel about letting me clean her up. :) Pamela
Re: foal scours
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/23/2002 5:32:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have followed it and find it works! I cut back on the grain > my mare was gettingafter the baby is born. I give her maybe half what > she was getting till AFTER she's had her foal heat.. What about mares that don't get ANY grain? My family has raised horses all my life, and I think about every foal we've ever raised has scoured in some degree during foal heat, whether Mom was on grain & hay, just hay or pasture. We have found over the years that Kaopectate seems to work better than Pepto for cleaning up the scours, and a warm washing followed by a lite coating of Vaseline keeps the burning & hair loss to a minimum. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: foal scours
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/22/02 1:20:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Attention all you breeders out there: I have "discovered" a wonderful > treatment for those foal-heat scours that newborns get. You know, the kind > > where you spend days scrubbing stinky, sore little bottoms and pumping > Pepto-Bismol in the front end?It's easy, it's cheap -- and it works > wonderfully! > What works even betther Jan is to not have them get it in the first place. I must brag that the last 3 foals born here have not gotten foal-heat scours, because of some advice a breeder gave me a few years ago. (Sue G. that would be you :-)) I have followed it and find it works! I cut back on the grain my mare was gettingafter the baby is born. I give her maybe half what she was getting till AFTER she's had her foal heatthen I start increasing till she's back to what she should have. I was talking to my vet about this just the other day...he told me one of his other breeders told him (and swears by it) that they worm the mare within a day of birthing...and the foals NEVER get scours ??? haven't tried this one yet but my vet says this breeder hasn't had scours in over 10 yrs following this procedure. Just food for thoughtI'd rather prevent it, then treat it. :-) Aimee Day Days End Fjords
Re: Foal Scours
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I received in the mail a catalogue from Exodus Breeders Supply. One of the things they advertised was a product called Shinny Hinny which was formulated to prevent chaffing and blistering from foal scours. I have no personal knowledge of this product, but it seemed interesting and if I had foals I'd be tempted to use it. You can contact the company at the web site or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ofcourse petroleum jelly also works and is probably cheaper, but I thought I'd mention it. The catalogue has some interesting stuff for AI breeding and foaling stuff. I have not looked at the sight on line, but I suppose most of the stuff is advertised on their web-site. Have a wonderful Mother's Day everyone. I'll be spending mine at a dressage schooling show with Marnix. Hopefully my kids will present me with a cleaner house and barn when I return home. Vivian Creigh
Re: Foal Scours
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:05 PM 05/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi Folks, > >(resend of message...sorry...I sent the first one in HTML) > >Many, many thanks to all who responded privately, and on the list. > >We think we have the problem solved, then the "squirts" begin again. It >seems that it is an every other day happening. > >The mare's food has been cut down to reduce the richness of the milk and >grain for both mother and daughter is now strictly CornOatsBarley (COB for >our non-American friends). Fred, it might not be a bad idea to quit the COB for now.. try it a few weeks and see if there isn't an improvement. contrary to what Fjords say, they can do well on hay alone for periods of time =) also, maybe no pasture time until this clears up. Ruthie
