RE: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-08 Thread Merrill, Jason
The only thing I really like on the surface of this merger is the fact
the Macromedia apps will get tabbed palettes back.

Doesn't Flash 8, Dreamweaver 8, etc. already have that?  At least, they
do on my machine.  Unless what you mean by a tabbed palette isn't what I
am thinking.

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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-08 Thread Zeh Fernando

The only thing I really like on the surface of this merger is the fact
the Macromedia apps will get tabbed palettes back.



Doesn't Flash 8, Dreamweaver 8, etc. already have that?  At least, they
do on my machine.  Unless what you mean by a tabbed palette isn't what I
am thinking.


Not really. He means Adobe-like paletters that MM was forced to stop using 
by a lawsuit from Adobe a couple of years ago (or so the story goes). On 
Photoshop, Illustrator and other Adobe tools, you can group panels together 
(using 'tabs') so space is a bit better used. MM's current solution is close 
to it, but not as good, IMO, as you can just fold and unfold panels but they 
can never share the same space.


Funny enough, it's also one of the best things I expect from this 
merger/aquisition.



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Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-08 Thread Derek Vadneau
Actually you can group panels together in Flash 8, and they'll have tabs.

Click the icon on the right in a tab header and select Group [PanelName] 
with.  Then choose the panel you want it to be grouped with.  Once they 
are grouped, they'll each have a tab.

There seems to be a bug: the first time you group panels, then click a 
tab, the tabs disappear.  Just collapse the panel and open it again and 
all is well.


Derek Vadneau


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Not really. He means Adobe-like paletters that MM was forced to stop using
by a lawsuit from Adobe a couple of years ago (or so the story goes). On
Photoshop, Illustrator and other Adobe tools, you can group panels 
together
(using 'tabs') so space is a bit better used. MM's current solution is 
close
to it, but not as good, IMO, as you can just fold and unfold panels but 
they
can never share the same space.

Funny enough, it's also one of the best things I expect from this
merger/aquisition.


- zeh


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Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-08 Thread Zeh Fernando

Actually you can group panels together in Flash 8, and they'll have tabs.
Click the icon on the right in a tab header and select Group [PanelName] 
with.  Then choose the panel you want it to be grouped with.  Once they 
are grouped, they'll each have a tab.
There seems to be a bug: the first time you group panels, then click a 
tab, the tabs disappear.  Just collapse the panel and open it again and 
all is well.


Well, bite me, you're right.

Still slightly different from Adobe's ones, but the tabs are there.


- zeh
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[Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Judah Frangipane

FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia_faq.html

Interesting key points:

*How long will it take to integrate Flash Player and Adobe Reader?*

  It will be a multiyear effort. Ultimately, our goal is to combine
  both in a single client. Combining PDF and Adobe Reader with Flash
  and the Flash Player will allow us to deliver a truly ubiquitous
  platform that sits on...

*Are there immediate plans to discontinue any Adobe or Macromedia 
products?*

  All products continue to be available for purchase. We are a
  customer-driven company and, as always, we will continue to evaluate
  and respond to customer demand to shape our product mix.

*What will happen to the Macromedia corporate brand? What will happen to 
product and technology brands, such as Dreamweaver and Flash?*

  Adobe will continue investing in key Macromedia product brands.
  Initially, product brands acquired from Macromedia will include the
  Macromedia name (for example, Macromedia Dreamweaver). Over time,
  Macromedia products will migrate to the Adobe brand (for example,
  Adobe Dreamweaver) during planned release cycles when packaging
  materials and user and marketing collateral are updated.

*We are now Adobe developers...:)
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RE: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Sara Spalding
The answer about the Flash Player and Adobe Reader was a little
confusing.  We updated the QA to make it more clear.  Here's the
updated text:

What are Adobe's plans for Flash Player and Adobe Reader?

Our long-term plan is to develop a universal client by combining PDF,
Flash and HTML in a single, integrated runtime. Of course, we will
continue delivering the Flash Player as a small, efficient runtime for
content and applications on the web, and Adobe Reader for viewing and
interacting with PDF documents and forms. The integration of these
technologies into a unified framework creates a ubiquitous platform that
runs on virtually every device, and dramatically expands the
opportunities to create compelling solutions.


-Sara Spalding


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FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia_faq.html

Interesting key points:

*How long will it take to integrate Flash Player and Adobe Reader?*

   It will be a multiyear effort. Ultimately, our goal is to combine
   both in a single client. Combining PDF and Adobe Reader with Flash
   and the Flash Player will allow us to deliver a truly ubiquitous
   platform that sits on...

*Are there immediate plans to discontinue any Adobe or Macromedia
products?*
   All products continue to be available for purchase. We are a
   customer-driven company and, as always, we will continue to evaluate
   and respond to customer demand to shape our product mix.

*What will happen to the Macromedia corporate brand? What will happen to
product and technology brands, such as Dreamweaver and Flash?*
   Adobe will continue investing in key Macromedia product brands.
   Initially, product brands acquired from Macromedia will include the
   Macromedia name (for example, Macromedia Dreamweaver). Over time,
   Macromedia products will migrate to the Adobe brand (for example,
   Adobe Dreamweaver) during planned release cycles when packaging
   materials and user and marketing collateral are updated.

*We are now Adobe developers...:)
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RE: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Mike Mountain
 Our long-term plan is to develop a universal client by 
 combining PDF, Flash and HTML in a single, integrated 
 runtime.

How does this differ from a browser?

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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Chad Mefferd

Gone are the days of a lightweight flash player.

On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Mike Mountain wrote:


Our long-term plan is to develop a universal client by
combining PDF, Flash and HTML in a single, integrated
runtime.


How does this differ from a browser?

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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread hank williams
I was just about to say it sounds like a browser, but with the ability
to capture apps and content sychronize data, work offline and keep
applets automatically up to date.

I think its basically central, but in a UI that looks more like a browser.

Regards
Hank

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  combining PDF, Flash and HTML in a single, integrated
  runtime.

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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread hank williams
This new client is not in place of the current lightweight player. It
is a separate thing, like central. So there will always be separate
browser plugins for pdf and swf.

Regards
Hank

On 12/7/05, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gone are the days of a lightweight flash player.

 On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Mike Mountain wrote:

  Our long-term plan is to develop a universal client by
  combining PDF, Flash and HTML in a single, integrated
  runtime.
 
  How does this differ from a browser?
 
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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Winterhalder
On 12/7/05, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This new client is not in place of the current lightweight player. It
 is a separate thing, like central. So there will always be separate
 browser plugins for pdf and swf.

it might be apollo, of which i know almost nothing about, but which
apparently is swf+html and now possibly + pdf?

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RE: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Geoffrey Williams
Think of it as Central or Breeze. It will allow a bunch of new functionality
above the Player. It's not a replacement; it's a 'plug-in'...

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Gone are the days of a lightweight flash player.

On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Mike Mountain wrote:

 Our long-term plan is to develop a universal client by
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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread hank williams
Yex, it is apollo. I just didnt use the code word. But that is what I
am referring to.

Regards
Hank

On 12/7/05, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 12/7/05, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This new client is not in place of the current lightweight player. It
  is a separate thing, like central. So there will always be separate
  browser plugins for pdf and swf.

 it might be apollo, of which i know almost nothing about, but which
 apparently is swf+html and now possibly + pdf?

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RE: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Mike Mountain
So is this to target the 'Konfabulator' widget style market - or will my
bank build me a custom app to do my online banking?

The security and sandbox issues will be interesting here - the browser
developers already have their hands full plugging holes - it'll be
interesting to see Adobe tackles such problems - wouldn't a top down
solution be easier - ie. Modify mozilla?

M

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 Yex, it is apollo. I just didnt use the code word. But that 
 is what I am referring to.
 
 Regards
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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Judah Frangipane
It sounds like they will have for download Flash Player 8 and Adobe 
Reader for download for a while and eventually create a Flash Player X.


Flash Player X = Flash Player 8 + Adobe Reader

I wouldn't call it a central tho. Hopefully the file size will remain 
small or only marginally increase.


Judah

hank williams wrote:


This new client is not in place of the current lightweight player. It
is a separate thing, like central. So there will always be separate
browser plugins for pdf and swf.

Regards
Hank

On 12/7/05, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


Gone are the days of a lightweight flash player.

On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Mike Mountain wrote:

   


Our long-term plan is to develop a universal client by
combining PDF, Flash and HTML in a single, integrated
runtime.
   


How does this differ from a browser?

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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread hank williams
 I wouldn't call it a central tho. Hopefully the file size will remain
 small or only marginally increase.


The new client is called apollo. As far as I know it *is* the new
unified client that they are talking about that does flash + html +
pdf.

Apollo *is*, among other things, the follow on to central. This is not
a browser plug in but a stand alone environment.

Regards
hank



 Judah

 hank williams wrote:

 This new client is not in place of the current lightweight player. It
 is a separate thing, like central. So there will always be separate
 browser plugins for pdf and swf.
 
 Regards
 Hank
 
 On 12/7/05, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Gone are the days of a lightweight flash player.
 
 On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Mike Mountain wrote:
 
 
 
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 combining PDF, Flash and HTML in a single, integrated
 runtime.
 
 
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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Chad Mefferd

Good. Wasn't it being referred to as Apollo or something like that?

On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:15 AM, hank williams wrote:


This new client is not in place of the current lightweight player. It
is a separate thing, like central. So there will always be separate
browser plugins for pdf and swf.

Regards
Hank

On 12/7/05, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Gone are the days of a lightweight flash player.

On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Mike Mountain wrote:


Our long-term plan is to develop a universal client by
combining PDF, Flash and HTML in a single, integrated
runtime.


How does this differ from a browser?

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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Chad Mefferd

Nevermind. I'm slow.

On Dec 7, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Chad Mefferd wrote:


Good. Wasn't it being referred to as Apollo or something like that?

On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:15 AM, hank williams wrote:


This new client is not in place of the current lightweight player. It
is a separate thing, like central. So there will always be separate
browser plugins for pdf and swf.

Regards
Hank

On 12/7/05, Chad Mefferd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Gone are the days of a lightweight flash player.

On Dec 7, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Mike Mountain wrote:


Our long-term plan is to develop a universal client by
combining PDF, Flash and HTML in a single, integrated
runtime.


How does this differ from a browser?

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RE: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Merrill, Jason
Flash Player X = Flash Player 8 + Adobe Reader

I think Flash player 8.5 will be out before PDF is integrated in the
player though.  At least, that's the way it appears to be as things are
right now.  I would say it would be more like Flash Player 9 or 10 +
Adobe Reader

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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Mike Chambers
Yes. That is correct. It is referring to Apollo, and not the web based 
plugins.


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hank williams wrote:

Yex, it is apollo. I just didnt use the code word. But that is what I
am referring to.

Regards
Hank

On 12/7/05, Mark Winterhalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 12/7/05, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This new client is not in place of the current lightweight player. It
is a separate thing, like central. So there will always be separate
browser plugins for pdf and swf.


it might be apollo, of which i know almost nothing about, but which
apparently is swf+html and now possibly + pdf?

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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Mike Chambers
Again, the FAQ items refers to Apollo, and not the web based plugins / 
players.


mike chambers

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Merrill, Jason wrote:

Flash Player X = Flash Player 8 + Adobe Reader



I think Flash player 8.5 will be out before PDF is integrated in the
player though.  At least, that's the way it appears to be as things are
right now.  I would say it would be more like Flash Player 9 or 10 +
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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Chad Mefferd

Thanks for the straight dope on the topic Mike.

Chad Mefferd

On Dec 7, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Mike Chambers wrote:

Again, the FAQ items refers to Apollo, and not the web based plugins / 
players.


mike chambers

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Merrill, Jason wrote:

Flash Player X = Flash Player 8 + Adobe Reader

I think Flash player 8.5 will be out before PDF is integrated in the
player though.  At least, that's the way it appears to be as things 
are

right now.  I would say it would be more like Flash Player 9 or 10 +
Adobe Reader
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RE: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Frederic v. Bochmann
If they ever integrate a pdf reader in the flash player(plug-in) *(or
vice-versa) I just want them to watch out with the loading time of the
plug-in, since starting Acrobat Reader really hurts compared to loading the
Flash Player.

Just my 2 cents.
Fredz./


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Again, the FAQ items refers to Apollo, and not the web based plugins / 
players.

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Flash Player X = Flash Player 8 + Adobe Reader
 
 
 I think Flash player 8.5 will be out before PDF is integrated in the
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RE: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Merrill, Jason
Again, the FAQ items refers to Apollo, and not the web based plugins /
players.

So Apollo will be a sort of web browser that has a flash and PDF
renderer built in?  I mean, I know Adobe won't likely market it as a
browser, but that sounds basically like what it will be. What about our
clients who want to continue using IE or Netscape instead of Apollo?
There is no intent to integrate the Flash runtime with the Adobe reader?
The FAQ is worded as, What are Adobe's plans for Flash Player and Adobe
Reader? - so the other part of the answer to the question should
address Flash on other browsers as well as this Apollo I would think.

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RE: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Theodore E Patrick
Apollo Recipe

Embed Mozilla with native optimized Flash and PDF support.
Add shell skinning
Add one click local app installation via XML
Add rich fileIO
Add hardware acceleration via OpenGL
Add ass kicking speed for Flash, 200fps or bust
Add offline data
We are 80% there


The browser wars are back! 

This is going to be allot of fun!

Go Apollo! Go Adobe!

Ted ;)

 
  Our long-term plan is to develop a universal client by
  combining PDF, Flash and HTML in a single, integrated
  runtime.
 
 How does this differ from a browser?
 
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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Mike Chambers
Based on the workflows shown by Kevin Lynch at the Spark Europe 
conference, I would think about it more as an app runtime than a browser.


mike chambers

Merrill, Jason wrote:


So Apollo will be a sort of web browser that has a flash and PDF
renderer built in?  


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Re: [Flashcoders] FAQ Adobe acquisition of Macromedia

2005-12-07 Thread Count Schemula
Macromedia was a little more straight-up with their downloads though.
The only thing I really like on the surface of this merger is the fact
the Macromedia apps will get tabbed palettes back.

Anyhow, as an example. I had a client over and he needed to open a
PDF. I had a newly formatted laptop and said, sure, use this laptop,
just download the PDF viewer.

A couple of days later I use the laptop, and I had Yahoo! toolbar
going on. I had some sort of Photoshop Starter Something I don't even
know what going on. I'm sure he just went did whatever seemed like the
default download, but unfortunately, I ended up with a bunch of stuff
I did not want on my computer.

Rotten.
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