Re: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Robert r. Sanders]

The two sites you mention are public sites; if they drive 10% of their 
potential audience away, but receive 20% more benefit (e.g. retaining 
the most loyal viewers, lowing bandwidth costs with newer codec, etc...) 
by doing so then it makes sense.  For intra-net type or b2b type sites 
the equation is different.  In these situations end users can't 
typically upgrade their software, and IT departments may be very 
conservative in their upgrade schedules; also you face a "it needs to 
work for all our employees" issue even when this isn't the case.  I'm 
just saying that just because some sites require the most recent player, 
it may or may not make sense for you, depending on you 
audience/business-model.


Steven Sacks | BLITZ wrote:

(For the main thread, people usually decide what features their
application might need, and then balance that against the trends in
capability among their own audience.)



MySpace requires Flash 9 Player, You Tube requires Flash 8 (last I
checked).  They seem to have no problems getting people to upgrade.  If
people want your content, they'll upgrade and upgrading Flash is about
as easy as it gets and almost everyone has experience with the process. 


The biggest sale points for Flash 8 are the better font readability and
higher quality video.  The biggest sale points for Flash 9 are
significant speed performance and Flex support.
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RE: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Steven Sacks | BLITZ]

> (For the main thread, people usually decide what features their
> application might need, and then balance that against the trends in
> capability among their own audience.)

MySpace requires Flash 9 Player, You Tube requires Flash 8 (last I
checked).  They seem to have no problems getting people to upgrade.  If
people want your content, they'll upgrade and upgrading Flash is about
as easy as it gets and almost everyone has experience with the process. 

The biggest sale points for Flash 8 are the better font readability and
higher quality video.  The biggest sale points for Flash 9 are
significant speed performance and Flex support.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[John Dowdell]

Steven Sacks | BLITZ wrote:
You can still make banner ads and cartoons with Flash 4.  
That's what Flash is used for right?


So I've read ;-)

(For the main thread, people usually decide what features their 
application might need, and then balance that against the trends in 
capability among their own audience.)


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RE: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Steven Sacks | BLITZ]

> You can still make banner ads and cartoons with Flash 4.
> That's what Flash is used for right?

WINK!  ;)  *SARCASM*  J/K

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RE: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Steven Sacks | BLITZ]

You can still make banner ads and cartoons with Flash 4.  
That's what Flash is used for right?

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RE: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Perdue, Blake]

The major reason we are moving to Flash 8 is the enhanced text rendering. The 
custom anti-aliasing makes text much easier to read -- a major problem with 
many fonts in Flash 6,7.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 10/31/2006 3:43 PM
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content




I'm working on a large commercial site that uses FP7 based content.

What are some of the arguments and/or approaches that Flash developers have and 
are using to push the transition to FP8 content?

The bottom line is really about providing the best user experience possible 

Jim bachalo

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[c] 416.668.0034
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RE: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Andrew Kirkpatrick]

> > What about accessability/use-ability/SEO-friendly aspects?

We just released skins for Flash 8 that support captioning and that are
accessible to disabled users.  I've got them on our accessibility blog
for now, but will move them to the Flash exchange soon.
http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility

AWK
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Re: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Andy Herrman]

also the fact most people have it now is another.


I'd debate this.  It really depends on what your audience is.
Individual home users probably have newer versions, or can easily
upgrade them.  Corporate users are a different matter though.

We're using Flash for part of our product where I work and we've
collected stats on who's using what version of Flash, to try and
figure out if we can change versions we develop for.  About 1/3 of
them still have 7 installed, and that's a fairly significant number.
Most of our clients are other companies, many of which have fairly
strict IT departments which don't like to upgrade, so there's a good
chance that if we switched to 8 we could break things for a lot of
people.

I'd say that what you should really do is figure out what your
audience is and then try and figure out what version they're likely to
have, and how difficult it would be for them to upgrade if they don't
have the version you're trying to support.  That goes not just for
Flash but any other software you might depend on (Java, .Net, etc).

  -Andy

On 10/31/06, Merrill, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Video capabilities can be a big seller - also the fact most people have
it now is another.  The much enhanced security of the 8 player could be
your Ace of Spades though.  Might be hard to convince them that the
blur, dropshadow, glow etc. effects you can do dynamically would be
worth it, but its' a shot.  I would just look at the Adobe Flash
homepage at all the new features and use that as argument.

Jason Merrill
Bank of America
Learning & Organization Effectiveness - Technology Solutions






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>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders-
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:44 PM
>>To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
>>Subject: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content
>>
>>
>>I'm working on a large commercial site that uses FP7 based content.
>>
>>What are some of the arguments and/or approaches that Flash developers
have
>>and are using to push the transition to FP8 content?
>>
>>The bottom line is really about providing the best user experience
possible 
>>
>>Jim bachalo
>>
>>[e] jbach at bitstream.ca
>>[c] 416.668.0034
>>[w] www.bitstream.ca
>>
>>"...all improvisation is life in search of a style."
>> - Bruce Mau,'LifeStyle'
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Re: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Seb L]

We've just sold two projects on FP8, the first because of it bitmap
rendering capabilities, and the fact that we could use bitmap fills to
stretch bitmap textures on 3D surfaces.

Recently we've been using cacheAsBitmap, and also custom bitmap
caching methods to massively increase the speed of animation. (all
documented on my blog - sebleedelisle.com)

And the latest project uses video - the new codecs mean much better
video quality with lower bandwidth - this represents both a quality
increase and real financial saving in terms of file transfer costs.

cheers

Seb Lee-Delisle
http://sebleedelisle.com

On 31/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm working on a large commercial site that uses FP7 based content.

What are some of the arguments and/or approaches that Flash developers have and 
are using to push the transition to FP8 content?

The bottom line is really about providing the best user experience possible 

Jim bachalo

[e] jbach at bitstream.ca
[c] 416.668.0034
[w] www.bitstream.ca

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Re: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Geoff Stearns]

not sure about accessibility changes.. but SEO changes are kinda  
pointless in most cases.. i wrote an article on flash SEO a while  
back that might interest you (and others on the list):

http://blog.deconcept.com/2006/03/13/modern-approach-flash-seo/




On Oct 31, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Micky Hulse wrote:


Merrill, Jason wrote:
Video capabilities can be a big seller - also the fact most people  
have
it now is another.  The much enhanced security of the 8 player  
could be

your Ace of Spades though.  Might be hard to convince them that the
blur, dropshadow, glow etc. effects you can do dynamically would be
worth it, but its' a shot.  I would just look at the Adobe Flash
homepage at all the new features and use that as argument.


What about accessability/use-ability/SEO-friendly aspects?

Has F8 improved these things? Or, is Flex2 the better option if the  
above things are important to a client/boss?


Got any links that talk about accessability/use-ability/SEO- 
friendly aspects and FLash?


Sorry for ignorance... I have taken a break from Flash for a bit  
now, but am still a member of the list to keep-up with the  
conversations.


Cheers,
Micky

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Re: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Micky Hulse]

Merrill, Jason wrote:

Video capabilities can be a big seller - also the fact most people have
it now is another.  The much enhanced security of the 8 player could be
your Ace of Spades though.  Might be hard to convince them that the
blur, dropshadow, glow etc. effects you can do dynamically would be
worth it, but its' a shot.  I would just look at the Adobe Flash
homepage at all the new features and use that as argument.  


What about accessability/use-ability/SEO-friendly aspects?

Has F8 improved these things? Or, is Flex2 the better option if the 
above things are important to a client/boss?


Got any links that talk about accessability/use-ability/SEO-friendly 
aspects and FLash?


Sorry for ignorance... I have taken a break from Flash for a bit now, 
but am still a member of the list to keep-up with the conversations.


Cheers,
Micky

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RE: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Merrill, Jason]

Video capabilities can be a big seller - also the fact most people have
it now is another.  The much enhanced security of the 8 player could be
your Ace of Spades though.  Might be hard to convince them that the
blur, dropshadow, glow etc. effects you can do dynamically would be
worth it, but its' a shot.  I would just look at the Adobe Flash
homepage at all the new features and use that as argument.  

Jason Merrill
Bank of America 
Learning & Organization Effectiveness - Technology Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 

>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders-
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:44 PM
>>To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
>>Subject: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content
>>
>>
>>I'm working on a large commercial site that uses FP7 based content.
>>
>>What are some of the arguments and/or approaches that Flash developers
have
>>and are using to push the transition to FP8 content?
>>
>>The bottom line is really about providing the best user experience
possible 
>>
>>Jim bachalo
>>
>>[e] jbach at bitstream.ca
>>[c] 416.668.0034
>>[w] www.bitstream.ca
>>
>>"...all improvisation is life in search of a style."
>> - Bruce Mau,'LifeStyle'
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Re: [Flashcoders] Q:Justifying Flash 8 Content

[Geoff Stearns]

I just use:

object, embed {
align: justify;
}


and that usually does the trick!*










* it's a joke. ha ha.


On Oct 31, 2006, at 3:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I'm working on a large commercial site that uses FP7 based content.

What are some of the arguments and/or approaches that Flash  
developers have and are using to push the transition to FP8 content?


The bottom line is really about providing the best user experience  
possible 


Jim bachalo

[e] jbach at bitstream.ca
[c] 416.668.0034
[w] www.bitstream.ca

"...all improvisation is life in search of a style."
 - Bruce Mau,'LifeStyle'
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