[Flexradio] J5(BPF) pins, sdr rf-spectrum

2006-05-11 Thread Hans-Juergen Hartfuss
Hello,
my 1W 4-board stack SDR (BPF v3.2, RFE v1.4, TRX v3.2, PIO v2.1 ) works 
fine for me. Great development with still great potential, 
congratulations to all those who did the work!
  I run it with the firebox and a Sony Vaio laptop. I made some 
measurements which might be of interest:
Since I want to use the J5 connector on the BPF board to control the 
banpassfilters of the amplifier following the 1 W SDR, I checked the 
pins. I found that the ordering sequence differs from what is given on 
page 15 of the Hardware Manual v3.8.
If I click on the bands 160 to 6 on Jeff's console, then pins are not 
activated increasing with increasing frequency, it is instead like

160 1
80  2
40  4
20  3
12  5
6   6

40 and 20 bands are interchanged. That of course is no problem, 
however, since it differs from the manual it is worth to notice.

I did some measurements with a 2-tone test generator at the Mic input 
of the firebox and measured the rf-spectrum. First idea was to 
determine the maximum input for a good low intermodulation output 
signal. I was surprised to see that there is a kind of leveller built 
in which prevents overloading. The spectrum of the output signal does 
not change for Mic level above about -15 dB.
The meausements were made at 3.7 MHz with 700 and 1900 Hz tones of the 
Elecraft generator, the spectrum was measured using the ESPI analyzer 
of RohdeSchwarz with 30 Hz resolution.  All numbers in dB I am going 
to give, are refered to one of the test tones (not their sum).
1. the spectra with AM and FM are textbook like, wonderful. No 
additional signals higher than -85 dB are found in a +- 20 kHz 
sorrounding.
2. the spectra in SSB are almost identical for LSB and USB mirror 
inverted. I therefore describe only signals for LSB. After manual 
adjustment of phase and amplitude for image rejection, the two signals 
in the wrong upper sideband are suppressed by about -60 dB, which is a 
very good value.
The intermodulation products 3rd order are down by about -56 dB, and 
those of 5th order down by about -73 dB. That's nice too.
However there is a number of additional lines which I still cannot 
assign. Some are -50 dB down, most of them are close to -70 dB. Some 
appear as triple, rather close together and are independent of the 
image rejection adjustment.
The latter is also true for the strongest lines in the wrong USB whose 
amplitudes are only about -46 dB down. Their frequencies do not 
correspond to expectations for intermodulation products. They appear at 
3340 Hz and 4560 Hz obove 3.7 MHz in the above mentioned test set-up. 
Since they appear relatively strong in the wrong sideband, it is worth 
to think about. Any idea??
Regards, Hans, DL2MDQ


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Re: [Flexradio] J5(BPF) pins, sdr rf-spectrum

2006-05-11 Thread Lyle Johnson
 ...The latter is also true for the strongest lines in the wrong USB whose 
 amplitudes are only about -46 dB down. Their frequencies do not 
 correspond to expectations for intermodulation products. They appear at 
 3340 Hz and 4560 Hz obove 3.7 MHz in the above mentioned test set-up. 
 Since they appear relatively strong in the wrong sideband, it is worth 
 to think about. Any idea??

Try shifting the Tx frequency slightly.  They are likely to be spurs 
from the DDS.

73,

Lyle KK7P


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[Flexradio] cancelling IF signal from PowerSDR

2006-05-11 Thread Carlo Lanzoni
I am using another application to send the signal to be transmitted to the
soundcard output. I would like to be able to use the SDR-1000 hardware to
transmit this signal without the IF signal provided by PowerSDR console. Is
there a way to transmit this signal using the PowerSDR console to control
the SDR-1000 hardware and have the IF signal (which goes to the soundcard
output from PowerSDR) canceled so the only signal to the soundcard output is
the one from my application?

 

Thanks,

Carlo

 

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[Flexradio] UCB [OT] crosspoint switcher

2006-05-11 Thread Mike Naruta
This is off-topic, but does anyone know of
a device that would allow me to select
different antennae for more than one transceiver?

Right now I have a remote coax switch that lets
me choose any of a half-dozen antennas.  I feed
the output of that to a rotary coaxial switch
that lets me select any of the rigs in the shack.
The problem is that lets me use only one rig
at a time.  I would really like to have rig A
use antenna 2 while rig B uses antenna 5,
for example.  It would be nice to integrate it
to the SDR-1000 too.

I could buy a couple dozen of Dow-Key relays,
but that is costly and inelegant.

I could use a patch bay, but I like being able
to rotate a knob and listen to a signal on
different antennas.

In broadcasting we used video crosspoint switchers.
Has anyone found an item like this that will
handle a couple hundred watts of RF?


Mike - AA8K

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Re: [Flexradio] UCB [OT] crosspoint switcher

2006-05-11 Thread Ken - N9VV
Sure, no problem, look for SO2R gear:
http://www.aytechnologies.com/Products/RAS8x2data.htm
and
http://www.hamation.com/AntSw.htm
de ken n9vv

Mike Naruta wrote:
 This is off-topic, but does anyone know of
 a device that would allow me to select
 different antennae for more than one transceiver?

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[Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard

2006-05-11 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]
Folks

 

Version 4.0 is now released and on the SqueakMap. The web site
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/ is up to date and contains a fair bit
more info. I have even joined hamsdr.com so the link is there as well.
This version has a lot of improvements and is much easier to manage. If
all this means absolutely nothing to you then please spend a few minutes
just looking at the web site. If interested then just a few hours of
your precious time would be much appreciated to give it a whirl. Thanks
to those that helped shape this release. It is still a work in progress
but the current functionality is stable and very self contained so it
won't pollute your system with random files! If there is enough interest
I will do the Teamspeak thing to answer questions.

 

I really am interested in your views and would love to have a
discussion. I don't mind adverse comments in the least but it would be
really disappointing to have no comments. Do you have a view on cross
platform versa single platform? On languages? On single versa
multi-machine deployment? On software front panels that imitate hardware
versa software focused controls? On monolithic versa component GUI's? On
the price of beer? Can anyone donate a brand new SDR1000 to a poor old
guy that only has an old 3 board stack and may not have a job in a few
months so can't get XYL approval to spend money?

 

The forum has been very quiet lately; perhaps there really is no one out
there...

 

- 73 de Bob (G3UKB)   


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Re: [Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard

2006-05-11 Thread KD5NWA
You have at least one comment, mine.

The way out in the fringe way of doing the software looks interesting 
and your displays look a lot nicer that the last time I looked.

Seriously, I'll take a detailed look on Sunday.

Off the top of my head, I would be more interested in a Linux port, 
I'm slowly moving away from Windows, and another functional SDR 
software package that I could fiddle with would be welcomed, that is 
if you have release the code to the public.

As far as multi-platform if it can be reasonably done so it's 
supported in multiple platforms so much the better, if you can run 
under OSX that would be a big plus for me.

I'm curious what sort of PC have you used this software with, so I 
can determine approximately the CPU power required.

I'll give you more opinions and questions after I look at it more thoroughly.


At 04:13 PM 5/11/2006, Cowdery, Bob [UK] wrote:
Folks



Version 4.0 is now released and on the SqueakMap. The web site
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/ is up to date and contains a fair bit
more info. I have even joined hamsdr.com so the link is there as well.
This version has a lot of improvements and is much easier to manage. If
all this means absolutely nothing to you then please spend a few minutes
just looking at the web site. If interested then just a few hours of
your precious time would be much appreciated to give it a whirl. Thanks
to those that helped shape this release. It is still a work in progress
but the current functionality is stable and very self contained so it
won't pollute your system with random files! If there is enough interest
I will do the Teamspeak thing to answer questions.



I really am interested in your views and would love to have a
discussion. I don't mind adverse comments in the least but it would be
really disappointing to have no comments. Do you have a view on cross
platform versa single platform? On languages? On single versa
multi-machine deployment? On software front panels that imitate hardware
versa software focused controls? On monolithic versa component GUI's? On
the price of beer? Can anyone donate a brand new SDR1000 to a poor old
guy that only has an old 3 board stack and may not have a job in a few
months so can't get XYL approval to spend money?



The forum has been very quiet lately; perhaps there really is no one out
there...



- 73 de Bob (G3UKB)


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Re: [Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard

2006-05-11 Thread Rob Frohne
Hi Bob,

Interesting.  I don't have any SDR-1000 or even a SoftRock going yet, 
but it looks interesting.

Keep up the good work!

73,

Rob

Cowdery, Bob [UK] wrote:
 Folks

  

 Version 4.0 is now released and on the SqueakMap. The web site
 http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/ is up to date and contains a fair bit
 more info. I have even joined hamsdr.com so the link is there as well.
 This version has a lot of improvements and is much easier to manage. If
 all this means absolutely nothing to you then please spend a few minutes
 just looking at the web site. If interested then just a few hours of
 your precious time would be much appreciated to give it a whirl. Thanks
 to those that helped shape this release. It is still a work in progress
 but the current functionality is stable and very self contained so it
 won't pollute your system with random files! If there is enough interest
 I will do the Teamspeak thing to answer questions.

  

 I really am interested in your views and would love to have a
 discussion. I don't mind adverse comments in the least but it would be
 really disappointing to have no comments. Do you have a view on cross
 platform versa single platform? On languages? On single versa
 multi-machine deployment? On software front panels that imitate hardware
 versa software focused controls? On monolithic versa component GUI's? On
 the price of beer? Can anyone donate a brand new SDR1000 to a poor old
 guy that only has an old 3 board stack and may not have a job in a few
 months so can't get XYL approval to spend money?

  

 The forum has been very quiet lately; perhaps there really is no one out
 there...

  

 - 73 de Bob (G3UKB)   


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Re: [Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard

2006-05-11 Thread Eric Ellison
Bob

Third time I've been blown outta my chair today... 

Fantastic man! Keep it up!

Like Alice through the looking glass to the future!

Amazing! It's great to be alive and still thinking!

Thanks
Eric2


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Subject: [Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard

Folks

 

Version 4.0 is now released and on the SqueakMap. The web site
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/ is up to date and contains a fair bit
more info. I have even joined hamsdr.com so the link is there as well.
This version has a lot of improvements and is much easier to manage. If
all this means absolutely nothing to you then please spend a few minutes
just looking at the web site. If interested then just a few hours of
your precious time would be much appreciated to give it a whirl. Thanks
to those that helped shape this release. It is still a work in progress
but the current functionality is stable and very self contained so it
won't pollute your system with random files! If there is enough interest
I will do the Teamspeak thing to answer questions.

 

I really am interested in your views and would love to have a
discussion. I don't mind adverse comments in the least but it would be
really disappointing to have no comments. Do you have a view on cross
platform versa single platform? On languages? On single versa
multi-machine deployment? On software front panels that imitate hardware
versa software focused controls? On monolithic versa component GUI's? On
the price of beer? Can anyone donate a brand new SDR1000 to a poor old
guy that only has an old 3 board stack and may not have a job in a few
months so can't get XYL approval to spend money?

 

The forum has been very quiet lately; perhaps there really is no one out
there...

 

- 73 de Bob (G3UKB)   


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[Flexradio] Interesting artifact

2006-05-11 Thread Tim Ellison
I observed an interesting phenomenon this evening and I wonder if my
assumption is on track.

When I started up my SDR1K this evening, I had it connected to a dummy
load to do a little audio testing.  On the Panadapter, I noticed a
signal 500 Hz wide that was about -100dBm in intensity that sounded like
a whistle. I could really hear it because the noise floor was about
-138dBm. The signal never changed in intensity, but was rapidly
increasing in frequency.  I checked on another radio and the signal was
definitely in the SDR1K.

I started tracking it at around 14.190 KHz and followed it up the band.
As it crawled up the band, the rate of frequency change decreased, but
the intensity never did.

I tracked it to all the way to 14.290 KHz where it finally stabilized
its frequency change.

This whole process took about 20 minutes to complete.

At this point I started transmitting and the peak jumped to 14.335 KHz.
Once I quit transmitting it started to drop again to stabilize around
14.328 KHz.   So it looks like this phenomenon  is very likely
temperature dependent.

Am I correct to assume that this phenomenon is related to DDS thermally
instability??  If it is DDS related, shouldn't the intensity of this
signal decreased in intensity as it stabilized or should this S5 signal
always be here?  Should this DDS noise be this strong in intensity?

I am just trying to figure out if this is normal operation of do I have
some other problem.

Any comments and opinions are welcome.

-Tim
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Re: [Flexradio] Interesting artifact

2006-05-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm sorry, I believe your SDR-1000 is processed by an evil Mongolian
demon. Send it to me for about a year or two and I will exorcise the
demons out.

Let me know when you need my shipping address.


On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 22:16 -0400, Tim Ellison wrote:
 I observed an interesting phenomenon this evening and I wonder if my
 assumption is on track.
 
 When I started up my SDR1K this evening, I had it connected to a dummy
 load to do a little audio testing.  On the Panadapter, I noticed a
 signal 500 Hz wide that was about -100dBm in intensity that sounded like
 a whistle. I could really hear it because the noise floor was about
 -138dBm. The signal never changed in intensity, but was rapidly
 increasing in frequency.  I checked on another radio and the signal was
 definitely in the SDR1K.
 
 I started tracking it at around 14.190 KHz and followed it up the band.
 As it crawled up the band, the rate of frequency change decreased, but
 the intensity never did.
 
 I tracked it to all the way to 14.290 KHz where it finally stabilized
 its frequency change.
 
 This whole process took about 20 minutes to complete.
 
 At this point I started transmitting and the peak jumped to 14.335 KHz.
 Once I quit transmitting it started to drop again to stabilize around
 14.328 KHz.   So it looks like this phenomenon  is very likely
 temperature dependent.
 
 Am I correct to assume that this phenomenon is related to DDS thermally
 instability??  If it is DDS related, shouldn't the intensity of this
 signal decreased in intensity as it stabilized or should this S5 signal
 always be here?  Should this DDS noise be this strong in intensity?
 
 I am just trying to figure out if this is normal operation of do I have
 some other problem.
 
 Any comments and opinions are welcome.
 
 -Tim
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[Flexradio] Hamvention Activities.

2006-05-11 Thread John Basilotto



Subject: Hamvention Activities.

Hello Flexers.

The Hamvention is fast approaching. SDR1000s are flying off the assembly
line. And, a group of talented individuals are polishing their Dayton
presentations.

Here's what we know about SDR and FlexRadio System Activities...

Friday.   Inside exhibits open at 9 AM.  FRS has two booths this year and
will have 3 radio setups.  Two of the SDR1000s will be operational; they are
for use by for perspective Flexers and current Flexers who might be having
withdrawal pains.

Friday Evening:  FRS will be attending the FDIM vendor night at the Holiday
Inn in Fairborn

Saturday.  Inside exhibits open at 8 AM

8:30 a.m. - 9:30 a.m. Software Defined Radios
Open Source Software Defined Radios- the new wave in radio communications.
Moderator: Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR
Open source Software Defined Radio is no longer just for experimenters, but
for all amateurs regardless of their technical ability and or experience.
This forum will discuss what the amateur community needs to know about the
flexibility, performance, and operation of SDRs from the $15 SoftRock-40 TM
to the top performing FlexRadio SDR-1000(r).
12:00 p.m. - 1:45 p.m. SOFTWARE DEFINED RADIO - GROUNDSWELL TO TIDAL WAVE
Moderator: Eric Ellison, AA4SW, V31SR
Ever since Gerald Youngblood K5SDR published a series of articles in QEX
magazine and offered the first, off the shelf SDR transceiver, Ham's
worldwide have been forging ahead into the Future of Radio. Although not
the only exploration into SDR, at that time, the SDR-1000 and GPL PowerSDR
open source code has been a major engine to spur new exploration. Once again
hams are at the very leading edge of radio.
High Performance Software Defined Radio Project [HPSDR]
Speaker: Lyle Johnson, KK7P
The HPSDR is an open source hardware and software project intended as a
next generation Software Defined Radio for use by Radio Amateurs and Short
Wave Listeners . The design is modular, so an experimenter can choose the
bits and pieces required to implement his own creation. This is similar to
creating something from Lego blocks.
The initial system consists of a motherboard/chassis to contain and power
the modules, along with a few building blocks.
Real radios have Knobs...One at least : The Picastar Project.
Speaker: Harold Johnson, W4ZCB
SoftRock40, Past, Present, Future
Speaker: Tony Parks, KB9YIG
About a year ago Tony, designed a small transceiver for 40 meters which
derived, I and Q signals from a crystal, a pair of flip-flops and a
transformer. Absolute inexpensive simplicity! Since then, Tony has produced
and shipped thousands of kits worldwide. There appears to be no end in sight
for this $14 dollar V.6 high quality receiver kit. Come hear what is in
store next.
Operating Digital Radio Mondiale with the SDR-1000
Speaker: Mel Whitten, K0PFX
Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) is now broadcasting digital programming with FM
sound quality world wide. Rekindle your interest in shortwave listening
using one of the finest receivers for DRM reception, the SDR-1000! A simple
cookbook method will show you how to configure your SDR for optimum DRM
reception of data, text and images using DREAM open source software.
Experiments in transmitting DRM and the ham radio implementation of DRM
(WinDRM) will be demonstrated.
SDR for Emergency Communications
Todd Collins - N2TUN
Software defined radios can change parameters that in a hardware radio are
inaccessible. Disaster communications require that robust, reliable networks
be configured quickly with little or no pre-planning or coordination. SDR
allows you to alter all parameters, automatically in response to changes in
the environment. This ability (cognitive radio technology) is key to the
wireless mesh concept, allowing the automation of physical layer parameters.
The application of these technologies on the UHF and VHF bands by amateurs
can create robust and surprisingly fast ad-hoc data networks.

Saturday Evening. HOSPITALITY Suite hosted by FlexRadio Systems at the
Crowne Plaza Hotel Bechel Room
7 P M Doors Open.   Pay as you go bar, complimentary soft
drinks and light snacks. Program begins at 8 PM moderated by Eric Ellison
Welcome  Introductions of key FRS personnel
Presentation by Gerald [similar to town hall meeting. G will introduce a new
radio prototype-don't get too excited it is still a work in progress.]
QA with Gerald
New Initiatives  Volunteers for Flexer Award program, 2007 Dinner for
Flexers [Hamvention], special QSL cards
Wrap up-Eric2
Resume socializing
Saturday evening activities will be played on TeamSpeak.

Sunday inside exhibits open at  8 AM
ATTENTION !  Attention!  Attention!
.
We could use help manning the booth Friday through Sunday-especially Sunday.
Booth activities include showing future Flexers how a SDR1000 works and
sharing operational experiences.
We look forward to seeing everyone.
73
The FlexRadio Team










John P. Basilotto
W5GI
Marketing and Product Manager
FlexRadio Systems

Re: [Flexradio] Interesting artifact

2006-05-11 Thread Ahti Aintila
Tim,

This sounds like interference coming from the 12 V to +/-15 V DC to DC
converter (NMA1215S) on the PIO board. I have added some extra
filtering, but still sometimes can see and hear it wandering across
the panadapter window at a level -155 dBm. Naturally, that low level
can be seen only without antenna connected to the SDR-1000. In the
normal listening it disappears under the noise coming from the
antenna.

73, Ahti OH2RZ


On 12/05/06, Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I observed an interesting phenomenon this evening and I wonder if my
 assumption is on track.

 When I started up my SDR1K this evening, I had it connected to a dummy
 load to do a little audio testing.  On the Panadapter, I noticed a
 signal 500 Hz wide that was about -100dBm in intensity that sounded like
 a whistle. I could really hear it because the noise floor was about
 -138dBm. The signal never changed in intensity, but was rapidly
 increasing in frequency.  I checked on another radio and the signal was
 definitely in the SDR1K.

 I started tracking it at around 14.190 KHz and followed it up the band.
 As it crawled up the band, the rate of frequency change decreased, but
 the intensity never did.

 I tracked it to all the way to 14.290 KHz where it finally stabilized
 its frequency change.

 This whole process took about 20 minutes to complete.

 At this point I started transmitting and the peak jumped to 14.335 KHz.
 Once I quit transmitting it started to drop again to stabilize around
 14.328 KHz.   So it looks like this phenomenon  is very likely
 temperature dependent.

 Am I correct to assume that this phenomenon is related to DDS thermally
 instability??  If it is DDS related, shouldn't the intensity of this
 signal decreased in intensity as it stabilized or should this S5 signal
 always be here?  Should this DDS noise be this strong in intensity?

 I am just trying to figure out if this is normal operation of do I have
 some other problem.

 Any comments and opinions are welcome.

 -Tim
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