Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux?
Philosophical observations below, ignore if you like... Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Wed 26 Dec 2007 06:40:22 PM PST: > Hello, > > < > > Based on what is said, and my professional background, here is my take of > "why" > > Correctly implemented, the original development environment used is > indivisible to the end user. Windows users will see it as a Windows > application. > Don't get lost in the technical details. > > Using Linux for development provides a number of advantages for the > developer which is not available in Windows development > environments. These include > an operating systems which is completely visible (at all levels) to the > programmers. This allows the development team to focus on the > technology they are > developing without having to do troubleshooting battle with a non-visible > underlining OS. It's not entirely clear that having good visibility into the guts of the OS is actually a good thing. The ideal of abstracted black boxes says that you shouldn't really care what's happening. In the real world, of course, we always want to push the limits on performance, etc., and so, knowing what are "good" and "bad" things for performance and ease of coding,debugging,etc. are important. I.e. if you're fundamentally a *nix style developer, then you'll probably be more productive in that environment. If you understand the "microsoft way", then you'd be more productive in that environment. Either way, you've learned by experience or tribal lore what are better and worse ways to do something. That said, there's always room for revisiting underlying assumptions. I built a system 20 odd years ago (on DOS in QB4.5) where I dumped the fancy indexing and searching schemes using indices on disk to a straight "sequential search on all the records". Turns out it was faster because there were just plain old fewer instructions executed and fewer overall disk reads (because the file being searched was smaller than available RAM, it tended to sit in cache). Sure, in the generic case the dBase and Paradox engines would have been faster, but in this case, the problem space was sufficiently restricted that the brute force approach was faster (and easier to code and maintain, too). > > Often when developing real-time software, or any unusual application, one > uncovers previously unknown problems in the OS code. If the OS code isn't > completely visible you end up spending far more time trying to > "prove" it's the OS > problem instead of "your" code. It is far easier in more simple systems such > as Linux -- particularly when you can open the source code and review what's > really happening. But this is the traditional embedded hackers argument, and one that should be eschewed in the long run. In an idealized world, one should be able to write a test case that demonstrates the behavior, and prove that it's the OS that's the problem, then throw the problem over the wall. It's inappropriate (in the long run) to fix problems in component *A* by changing component *B*. You should fix component *A*. The idea is that as soon as systems become big enough that a single person cannot understand even a fraction, allowing that "peer into the guts" means that you need people who understand a lot of things outside the actual problem domain they're designing for.. such folks are not thick upon the ground and one should not depend on their existence for anything important. AND, assuming you do find talented folks that have that sort of broad background that means they spend their time solving problems that aren't directly contributing to the problem at hand. (This is the software development manager speaking..) > > In addition, there seems to be, in my view, a larger number of open source > programmers working in the Linux environment than in Windows. This is, in my > opinion, part of the open source cultural's view of open source being a "Us > againt Microsoft". This leads to more successful Linux open source > programs than > open source Windows. Again, porting allows everyone to benefit in the end. > In the end, hard-core highly technical programmers like Linux better so > they'll be far more productive there. I don't know that this actually follows. hard core technical programmers willing to work for free (or have their employers subsidize them) might be more common in the Linux world. But I know an awful lot of extremely talented software developers in the windows environment doing things like hardware device drivers, database development, etc. Just that there's significant commercial demand for such skills, and they choose to leverage that demand into a comfortable life style. For that matter, I know very talented developers working in the Linux environment who also don't do open source for a variety of reasons (employer intellectual property, export controls, etc.) So t
Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux?
Hi Gerald, Very cool... Now that FlexRadio is going main stream, how 'bout a second reflector to deal with development/technical issues? Mebbe even require a non disclosure agreement to get on board. Makes me a bit uncomfortable to get into discussion about future issues in on reflector where many of the members are primarily interested in technical support type issues. More work of course but maybe worth it? The forums don't seem to be that active. vy 73's Rob AB7CF On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:12:18 -0600 "Gerald Youngblood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Paul, > > Yep, that pretty well summarizes it. > > Thanks, > Gerald > President > FlexRadio Systems > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:50 PM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux? > > Hello, > > What I hear being said, within all the techno babble, is: > > 1) They will continue to provide PowerSDR for Windows in native > mode. > > 2) They are moving to an OS independent base architecture. > > 3) Primary development in the new architecture will be done in a > Linux > development environment. > > 4) Once running on Linux they will port and release main public > versions > for > Windows. > > It sounds like they are committed to supporting Windows users (and > would be > > insane not to) for the foreseeable future. > > If you run Windows, once they shift over to the new development > environment > > you may not be able to get all the weekly/daily development > sub-version > releases but will have access to all the main public releases. > > At least that's my translation of the tech speak. > > Sincerely, > > > Paul > > > > > > **See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments /20 > 071226/e19cf0ff/attachment.html > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux?
Hello, < Based on what is said, and my professional background, here is my take of "why" Correctly implemented, the original development environment used is indivisible to the end user. Windows users will see it as a Windows application. Don't get lost in the technical details. Using Linux for development provides a number of advantages for the developer which is not available in Windows development environments. These include an operating systems which is completely visible (at all levels) to the programmers. This allows the development team to focus on the technology they are developing without having to do troubleshooting battle with a non-visible underlining OS. Often when developing real-time software, or any unusual application, one uncovers previously unknown problems in the OS code. If the OS code isn't completely visible you end up spending far more time trying to "prove" it's the OS problem instead of "your" code. It is far easier in more simple systems such as Linux -- particularly when you can open the source code and review what's really happening. In addition, there seems to be, in my view, a larger number of open source programmers working in the Linux environment than in Windows. This is, in my opinion, part of the open source cultural's view of open source being a "Us againt Microsoft". This leads to more successful Linux open source programs than open source Windows. Again, porting allows everyone to benefit in the end. In the end, hard-core highly technical programmers like Linux better so they'll be far more productive there. Once your code is proven, it is easier to identify OS problems during the port. This is particularly true now that there is such a large selection of available software tools to help do the ports. -p Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux? icstars Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:27:40 -0800 How about an answer as to why.. Owen KB5XE **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux?
Owen, I think I covered the answer in my post to the topic "Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer." It was posted earlier this evening. Gerald _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 7:23 PM To: Gerald Youngblood; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux? How about an answer as to why.. Owen KB5XE >>>> -- Original message -- From: "Gerald Youngblood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Paul, > > Yep, that pretty well summarizes it. > > Thanks, > Gerald > President > FlexRadio Systems > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:50 PM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux? > > Hello, > > What I hear being said, within all the techno babble, is: > > 1) They will continue to provide PowerSDR for Windows in native mode. > > 2) They are moving to an OS independent base architecture. > > 3) Primary develo pment in the new architecture will be done in a Linux > development environment. > > 4) Once running on Linux they will port and release main public versions > for > Windows. > > It sounds like they are committed to supporting Windows users (and would be > > insane not to) for the foreseeable future. > > If you run Windows, once they shift over to the new development environment > > you may not be able to get all the weekly/daily development sub-version > releases but will have access to all the main public releases. > > At least that's my translation of the tech speak. > > Sincerely, > > > Paul > > > > > > **See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20 > 071226/e19cf0ff/attachment.html > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-rad io.com/ > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/5a541db9/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux?
Tim I appreciate your offer to facilitate the transition to the new architecture and to simply its significance especially for the pragmatists. We may very well have to have a formal approach; however, I'm inclined to think that a simple summary like Paul's may be all that is needed for now. I think the key personnel and perhaps the extended beta team should weigh in before moving forward. - Original Message - From: "Gerald Youngblood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux? > Paul, > > Yep, that pretty well summarizes it. > > Thanks, > Gerald > President > FlexRadio Systems > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:50 PM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux? > > Hello, > > What I hear being said, within all the techno babble, is: > > 1) They will continue to provide PowerSDR for Windows in native mode. > > 2) They are moving to an OS independent base architecture. > > 3) Primary development in the new architecture will be done in a Linux > development environment. > > 4) Once running on Linux they will port and release main public versions > for > Windows. > > It sounds like they are committed to supporting Windows users (and would > be > > insane not to) for the foreseeable future. > > If you run Windows, once they shift over to the new development > environment > > you may not be able to get all the weekly/daily development sub-version > releases but will have access to all the main public releases. > > At least that's my translation of the tech speak. > > Sincerely, > > > Paul > > > > > > **See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20 > 071226/e19cf0ff/attachment.html > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux?
How about an answer as to why.. Owen KB5XE -- Original message -- From: "Gerald Youngblood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Paul, > > Yep, that pretty well summarizes it. > > Thanks, > Gerald > President > FlexRadio Systems > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:50 PM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux? > > Hello, > > What I hear being said, within all the techno babble, is: > > 1) They will continue to provide PowerSDR for Windows in native mode. > > 2) They are moving to an OS independent base architecture. > > 3) Primary development in the new architecture will be done in a Linux > development environment. > > 4) Once running on Linux they will port and release main public versions > for > Windows. > > It sounds like they are committed to supporting Windows users (and would be > > insane not to) for the foreseeable future. > > If you run Windows, once they shift over to the new development environment > > you may not be able to get all the weekly/daily development sub-version > releases but will have access to all the main public releases. > > At least that's my translation of the tech speak. > > Sincerely, > > > Paul > > > > > > **See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20 > 071226/e19cf0ff/attachment.html > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071227/f4747710/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] is there a 'notch' filter
Lee A Crocker wrote: >I had this happen yesterday. I was listening on 7001.5 for Antarctica and a >few dozen hz down the band was a spur from some electrical noiseI was >wishing for a sharp manually tunable notch that I could sneak up from below >and give that carrier hell. If I turned on the ANF it did a great job on the >noise went away but so did Antarctica. I believe that is what Bill is writing >about > > > > > > >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/bc572a36/attachment.html > >___ >FlexRadio mailing list >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ >FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > > > My ClearSpeech Speaker DSP algorithm will take out a carrier but does not effect reasonable speed CW. Maybe the PowerSDR ANF could be adjusted to do the same thing. Tom W0IVJ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
What will be the development environment under Linux. And what Windows development environment will it be ported to? Thanks, Ed W2RF On 26 Dec 2007 at 18:10, Gerald Youngblood wrote: > Hello Flexers, > > Cecil's note below comes the closest of anyone on this list to capturing the > strategy. Let me summarize from FlexRadio's perspective: > > 1) The next generation software will be developed first on Linux and then > moved to Windows. The windows move will be through whatever method makes > the most sense at the time we are ready for the move. That could be through > virtualization (VM) or through porting the software. > 2) #1 above is exactly how the DSP code we use today (dttdsp) was developed > and then ported into PowerSDR. > 3) It would be dumb of us to make a business decision that would force the > majority of our customers to deal with a more complex solution. We are into > simplifying things rather than making them more complicated. You can take > that one to the bank. > 4) If you hear debate back and forth on technical issues, please don't > worry. We are in this to serve those of you who simply want a great radio > that "just keeps getting better." As we discuss how to make it better, > remember that we won't leave you behind. > 5) Unlike other radios with imbedded DSP chips that will never, ever get > faster or allow more memory, our customers can upgrade their PC, which > continues to get cheaper and faster. That means that we can add more > capabilities over time that would bog down a typical DSP chip. In fact, I > just bought a new Gateway PC with an Intel Quad Core processor for $699.00. > I upgraded to 3 GB RAM for $60.00 and a high performance DVI graphics card > for another $34.00. PowerSDR running at 192 kHz takes between 2-5% of the > CPU. Basically, the CPU is bored from all its idle time. > 6) Just think, how many radios have you ever owned that had the promise of a > true next generation of software? Oh, and that includes the SDR-1000 from > which is no longer in production. > 7) Remember that we will always keep a stable Official Release that you can > rely on. > > Hope this helps to clear the air some. > > Regards, > Gerald > President > FlexRadio Systems > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of k5nwa > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 9:39 AM > To: Flex Radio > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer > > At 09:14 AM 12/26/2007, you wrote: > >So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys > >saying is: The new stuff is going to be a Linux-only solution, but that > >with virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that same Linux > >box. > > > >Did I get that right? > > > >de Peter K1PGV > > Not all OS's are the same contrary to other's opinion. From listening > to programmers on other list there are many features that are much > easier to implement in Linux than in Windows, and some things are > extremely difficult at best, so the fact that they will be doing > their main development in Linux doesn't bother me at all. > > None of the developers have stated that Windows will not be > supported, but the pecking order will be first in Linux, then in > Windows. It's hard enough to figure out a feature and get it working > without also fighting the OS at the same time. Once you got it > working on an OS that doesn't impede you then you can concentrate on > how to get Windows to work. > > In the end it doesn't matter what we think, the guys making the > software work, both volunteers or paid employees will make that > decision. I'm not worried about it, the people at Flex are no fools > they will make sure that the software is available for the OS most > people are using. > > Cecil > K5NWA > www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com > > "Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light." > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux?
Paul, Yep, that pretty well summarizes it. Thanks, Gerald President FlexRadio Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:50 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux? Hello, What I hear being said, within all the techno babble, is: 1) They will continue to provide PowerSDR for Windows in native mode. 2) They are moving to an OS independent base architecture. 3) Primary development in the new architecture will be done in a Linux development environment. 4) Once running on Linux they will port and release main public versions for Windows. It sounds like they are committed to supporting Windows users (and would be insane not to) for the foreseeable future. If you run Windows, once they shift over to the new development environment you may not be able to get all the weekly/daily development sub-version releases but will have access to all the main public releases. At least that's my translation of the tech speak. Sincerely, Paul **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20 071226/e19cf0ff/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
Hello Flexers, Cecil's note below comes the closest of anyone on this list to capturing the strategy. Let me summarize from FlexRadio's perspective: 1) The next generation software will be developed first on Linux and then moved to Windows. The windows move will be through whatever method makes the most sense at the time we are ready for the move. That could be through virtualization (VM) or through porting the software. 2) #1 above is exactly how the DSP code we use today (dttdsp) was developed and then ported into PowerSDR. 3) It would be dumb of us to make a business decision that would force the majority of our customers to deal with a more complex solution. We are into simplifying things rather than making them more complicated. You can take that one to the bank. 4) If you hear debate back and forth on technical issues, please don't worry. We are in this to serve those of you who simply want a great radio that "just keeps getting better." As we discuss how to make it better, remember that we won't leave you behind. 5) Unlike other radios with imbedded DSP chips that will never, ever get faster or allow more memory, our customers can upgrade their PC, which continues to get cheaper and faster. That means that we can add more capabilities over time that would bog down a typical DSP chip. In fact, I just bought a new Gateway PC with an Intel Quad Core processor for $699.00. I upgraded to 3 GB RAM for $60.00 and a high performance DVI graphics card for another $34.00. PowerSDR running at 192 kHz takes between 2-5% of the CPU. Basically, the CPU is bored from all its idle time. 6) Just think, how many radios have you ever owned that had the promise of a true next generation of software? Oh, and that includes the SDR-1000 from which is no longer in production. 7) Remember that we will always keep a stable Official Release that you can rely on. Hope this helps to clear the air some. Regards, Gerald President FlexRadio Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of k5nwa Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 9:39 AM To: Flex Radio Subject: Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer At 09:14 AM 12/26/2007, you wrote: >So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys >saying is: The new stuff is going to be a Linux-only solution, but that >with virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that same Linux >box. > >Did I get that right? > >de Peter K1PGV Not all OS's are the same contrary to other's opinion. From listening to programmers on other list there are many features that are much easier to implement in Linux than in Windows, and some things are extremely difficult at best, so the fact that they will be doing their main development in Linux doesn't bother me at all. None of the developers have stated that Windows will not be supported, but the pecking order will be first in Linux, then in Windows. It's hard enough to figure out a feature and get it working without also fighting the OS at the same time. Once you got it working on an OS that doesn't impede you then you can concentrate on how to get Windows to work. In the end it doesn't matter what we think, the guys making the software work, both volunteers or paid employees will make that decision. I'm not worried about it, the people at Flex are no fools they will make sure that the software is available for the OS most people are using. Cecil K5NWA www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com "Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light." ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux?
Hello, What I hear being said, within all the techno babble, is: 1) They will continue to provide PowerSDR for Windows in native mode. 2) They are moving to an OS independent base architecture. 3) Primary development in the new architecture will be done in a Linux development environment. 4) Once running on Linux they will port and release main public versions for Windows. It sounds like they are committed to supporting Windows users (and would be insane not to) for the foreseeable future. If you run Windows, once they shift over to the new development environment you may not be able to get all the weekly/daily development sub-version releases but will have access to all the main public releases. At least that's my translation of the tech speak. Sincerely, Paul **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/e19cf0ff/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
I do it with both vmware and parallels under OS X (and windowsXP/Vista) all the time. The only limitation I have found at all is device support, which has some relationship to application support but not that great. I run everything that doesn't require a firewire card in these environments and haven't found a problem yet. What are the incompatibilities you have found? Maybe I am not trying hard enough! 73 Neal On Dec 26, 2007 10:48 PM, Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Wed 26 Dec 2007 08:15:55 AM PST: > > > Peter wrote: > > > > "So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys > > saying is: The new stuff is going to be a Linux-only solution, but > > that with virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that > > same Linux box." > > > > Not exactly, but very close. If you had written: > > > > "So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys > > saying is: The new stuff is going use Linux, but that with > > virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that same Linux > > box." > > Of course, for those not dedicating a computer to the radio, a more > correct statement would be: > > we'll be able to run *some* Windows apps on that same Linux box > > Don't count on the virtual Win environment under Linux being anywhere > near complete for quite some time, if ever. Aspects of digital rights > management under Windows will be very difficult to support under Linux > (or on any VM sort of environment, regardless of OS host), and there > isn't a lot of interest in the Linux community in solving them. > > Dual boot might be a solution, though. > > > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux?
I am still confused as to the future of PowerSDR and Windows. Please boil it down to this for me. I have a PC running XP. What does the future hold for me if I need to stick with XP? Am I reading it correctly that at a certain point that PowerSDR will not longer be updated for XP users? I have absolutely no interest in using Linux. My PC sees heavy use with Photoshop and Sony Vegas both of which require Windows. Zack N8FNR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/251e61e8/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
Quoting Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Wed 26 Dec 2007 08:15:55 AM PST: > Peter wrote: > > "So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys > saying is: The new stuff is going to be a Linux-only solution, but > that with virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that > same Linux box." > > Not exactly, but very close. If you had written: > > "So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys > saying is: The new stuff is going use Linux, but that with > virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that same Linux > box." Of course, for those not dedicating a computer to the radio, a more correct statement would be: we'll be able to run *some* Windows apps on that same Linux box Don't count on the virtual Win environment under Linux being anywhere near complete for quite some time, if ever. Aspects of digital rights management under Windows will be very difficult to support under Linux (or on any VM sort of environment, regardless of OS host), and there isn't a lot of interest in the Linux community in solving them. Dual boot might be a solution, though. ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] PowerSDR for LINUX
I see all the chatter. Is there a version of PowerSDR that will run under LINUX (particularly, Ubuntu)? Dave, W5UN ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux
No, no, no. Please stop trying to twist what's being said. Once again, in clear, plain, simple words: You will *not* have to install LInux to continue running PowerSDR. PowerSDR will continue to be supported under Windows as long as there's support from Microsoft for Windows. What *will* happen is this. Past a certain point, functionality of PowerSDR as currently constituted will not expand further. That PowerSDR will continue to be supported but it will not enjoy significant enhancements. Major enhancements will require different OS support. Nevertheless, thanks to virtualization, both the old (PowerSDR/Windows) and the new (the Virtual Radio system) will be able to coexist and interoperate on a single (multicore) machine. You are not up to date regarding efficiency of virtualization, either. What part of this are you having trouble understanding? On second thought, don't bother answering. I my daily minimum dose of trolling on the political blogs. 73 Frank AB2KT On Dec 26, 2007 4:44 PM, Peter G. Viscarola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you had written: > > > > "So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys > saying > > is: The new stuff is going use Linux, but that with virtualization > we'll be > > able to run Windows apps on that same Linux box." > > > > You would have been 100% correct. > > I think that's extremely unfortunate for several reasons: > > a) PowerSDR users will be have to learn how to install, manage, and use > a new operating system; > > b) The virtualization solutions that are available today for *all* the > major Linux distros that I have experience with (SUSE, RHEL, and > XENSource) are slow (even with paravirtualized drivers), their > functionality is poor, and they're really no substitute for running > Windows on a machine. > > c) Devices that are intended for use solely with Windows and that > require drivers will be difficult to support. > > Given that the vast majority of Flexradio users today are Windows users > and that the vast majority of ham radio software runs on Windows, > shouldn't FlexRadio facilitate these users and allow the concurrent use > of these applications without the gymnastics associated with > virtualization? As opposed to asking the user-base to adopt a new > operating system just to use their radios? > > I can't comment on technical issues related to signal processing -- If > the experts say this is more convenient to implement on Linux than on > Windows then I believe them -- but this doesn't seem to me to be a very > good PRODUCT decision. > > de Peter K1PGV > > > ___ > FlexRadio mailing list > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/31a44271/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Low Power Output
Doug, same thing happens to me when I update to a new SVN . Also if your a CW op the image rejection need's to be recalculated , or at least on my Flex 5000A. Dudley at tech support can step you through the calabration. It's easy ! GL Ed N5BLZ At 02:51 PM 12/26/2007, Doug McCann wrote: >Since I installed the later SVNs (now at 1853), my power out on SSB peaks >around 25watts, instead of what I am used to which is 50 watts. > >I measure the output using an SWR/PWR meter in a Yaesu FC-902 tuner set to >straight thru. > > > >I reverted to the BETA 1.9.1 version and it puts out 50watts. > >The database was different of course, and I set SVN 1853 with the same >settings at BETA 1.9.1 > > > >I am using the Heil Goldline with the radio. > > > >The low power out has been the one thing that has plagued me since I bought >the FLEX..and it's my only beef. > >I think it is operator error (possibly not), but wondering if anyone else is >having this problem. > > > >Doug, VA3CR > > > >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/c26966fa/attachment.html > > >___ >FlexRadio mailing list >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ >FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1197 - Release Date: >12/25/2007 8:04 PM ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] So, the new PowerSDR is moving to Linux
> If you had written: > > "So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys saying > is: The new stuff is going use Linux, but that with virtualization we'll be > able to run Windows apps on that same Linux box." > > You would have been 100% correct. I think that's extremely unfortunate for several reasons: a) PowerSDR users will be have to learn how to install, manage, and use a new operating system; b) The virtualization solutions that are available today for *all* the major Linux distros that I have experience with (SUSE, RHEL, and XENSource) are slow (even with paravirtualized drivers), their functionality is poor, and they're really no substitute for running Windows on a machine. c) Devices that are intended for use solely with Windows and that require drivers will be difficult to support. Given that the vast majority of Flexradio users today are Windows users and that the vast majority of ham radio software runs on Windows, shouldn't FlexRadio facilitate these users and allow the concurrent use of these applications without the gymnastics associated with virtualization? As opposed to asking the user-base to adopt a new operating system just to use their radios? I can't comment on technical issues related to signal processing -- If the experts say this is more convenient to implement on Linux than on Windows then I believe them -- but this doesn't seem to me to be a very good PRODUCT decision. de Peter K1PGV ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Low Power Output
Doug, It helps immensely if we know what radio you are using. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug McCann Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:52 PM To: Flex Radio Posting Subject: [Flexradio] Low Power Output Since I installed the later SVNs (now at 1853), my power out on SSB peaks around 25watts, instead of what I am used to which is 50 watts. I measure the output using an SWR/PWR meter in a Yaesu FC-902 tuner set to straight thru. I reverted to the BETA 1.9.1 version and it puts out 50watts. The database was different of course, and I set SVN 1853 with the same settings at BETA 1.9.1 I am using the Heil Goldline with the radio. The low power out has been the one thing that has plagued me since I bought the FLEX..and it's my only beef. I think it is operator error (possibly not), but wondering if anyone else is having this problem. Doug, VA3CR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/c26966fa/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] Fw: Low Power Output
> Doug, > > I took my Diawa CN-801 apart today and checked a couple of diodes. I am > using 1853 SVN as well and could not figure out what I wasn't getting much > audio out. Everyone said I was plenty loud but I didnt show when I > talked. I just switched back to v1.10.3 and all is well. > > It was driving me crazy!! > > Scott Gordon > KQ8RP > > > - Original Message - > From: "Doug McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Flex Radio Posting" > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:51 PM > Subject: [Flexradio] Low Power Output > > >> Since I installed the later SVNs (now at 1853), my power out on SSB peaks >> around 25watts, instead of what I am used to which is 50 watts. >> >> I measure the output using an SWR/PWR meter in a Yaesu FC-902 tuner set >> to >> straight thru. >> >> >> >> I reverted to the BETA 1.9.1 version and it puts out 50watts. >> >> The database was different of course, and I set SVN 1853 with the same >> settings at BETA 1.9.1 >> >> >> >> I am using the Heil Goldline with the radio. >> >> >> >> The low power out has been the one thing that has plagued me since I >> bought >> the FLEX..and it's my only beef. >> >> I think it is operator error (possibly not), but wondering if anyone else >> is >> having this problem. >> >> >> >> Doug, VA3CR >> >> >> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/c26966fa/attachment.html >> ___ >> FlexRadio mailing list >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ >> FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Low Power Output
Doug, You did not say if it is a Flex 5000 or SDR 1000.. 73, Dudley WA5QPZ At 02:51 PM 12/26/2007, Doug McCann wrote: >Since I installed the later SVNs (now at 1853), my power out on SSB peaks >around 25watts, instead of what I am used to which is 50 watts. > >I measure the output using an SWR/PWR meter in a Yaesu FC-902 tuner set to >straight thru. > > > >I reverted to the BETA 1.9.1 version and it puts out 50watts. > >The database was different of course, and I set SVN 1853 with the same >settings at BETA 1.9.1 > > > >I am using the Heil Goldline with the radio. > > > >The low power out has been the one thing that has plagued me since I bought >the FLEX..and it's my only beef. > >I think it is operator error (possibly not), but wondering if anyone else is >having this problem. > > > >Doug, VA3CR > > > >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/c26966fa/attachment.html > > >___ >FlexRadio mailing list >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ >FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] HyperSDR
If you want to get an idea of what this is going to look like, here is Frank's presentation "The FSM Virtual Radio Kernel" available for download from the FlexRadio web site. http://support.flex-radio.com/Downloads.aspx?id=186 Hint for searching the Downloads page. If you leave the "Related Product" and "File Category" set for -ANY- you will search the entire repository. Adding a "Related Product" and "File Category" filter significantly reduces the chances of finding what you are looking for. In the example above, there was no specific product (it does not exist yet) and the file category was presentation media since it is a MS PowerPoint presentation. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trevor Smithers Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] HyperSDR >Tim put a presentation on the Flex website that is based on a talk I >gave at DCC in Hartford this year. Where - I can't seem to find it. 73 to all Trevor G0KTN ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] HyperSDR
>Tim put a presentation on the Flex website that is based on a talk I gave at >DCC in Hartford this year. Where - I can't seem to find it. 73 to all Trevor G0KTN ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] Low Power Output
Since I installed the later SVNs (now at 1853), my power out on SSB peaks around 25watts, instead of what I am used to which is 50 watts. I measure the output using an SWR/PWR meter in a Yaesu FC-902 tuner set to straight thru. I reverted to the BETA 1.9.1 version and it puts out 50watts. The database was different of course, and I set SVN 1853 with the same settings at BETA 1.9.1 I am using the Heil Goldline with the radio. The low power out has been the one thing that has plagued me since I bought the FLEX..and it's my only beef. I think it is operator error (possibly not), but wondering if anyone else is having this problem. Doug, VA3CR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/c26966fa/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] HyperSDR
Frank, Thanks for the update. Sounds like fun. Looks like us backyard programmers need to do a bit of boning-up. Steve - K5FR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Brickle Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:18 AM To: Steve Nance Cc: FlexRadio List Subject: Re: [Flexradio] HyperSDR A few questions about HyperSDR: - Is this the long anticipated 'New Architecture'? Yes. - Will the radio and its functions be accessible via DLL libraries? No. Something simpler. A message-passing protocol that works locally or remotely in a transparent way. Participating processes can be written in pretty much any language you please, because it's all protocol-based, not API-centric. - Is there a Time-Line so the Tinkerers can clear their schedules? After Dayton. There's a pre-alpha batch of code which I promised for 15 Dec but got diverted from for unavoidable reasons. Sometime in the next few days, I think. The current PowerSDR needs to be polished up and shrink-wrapped as-is for Dayton anyway. - Any docs, wiki or blog to drool over? ;-) Tim put a presentation on the Flex website that is based on a talk I gave at DCC in Hartford this year. Have a look at http://www.trapexit.org, too. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/6d335198/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] ATU
> Hi Gang: > Question on the ATU on the setup page of SDR there is a list of the > serial numbers of each device but the ATU has [QA] When I put it in I > thought it had a serial number placed in it? > Went to the tab ATU it showed Bypass I moved it to Automatic and it > still shows [QA] when I turn off the rig still have [QA] and it is > back in bypass. > Any help please > Ed WA3BZT > > ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] apology
don't need an apology I'm too dense to be insulted easily in order: Wife Mother in law employers employees kids and now my grandkids do it all the time ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] is there a 'notch' filter
Bill, Did you try toggling your SR button (spur reduction)?? 73, Dudley WA5QPZ At 04:33 PM 12/25/2007, FireBrick wrote: >I've got a birdy, dead on 1.820 which is a common DX frequency. >Can't Notch it out with ANF. > >Probably a video card birdy. > >Another dead on 1.810 which I'm betting is related. > >Any aspect of PWSDR that can cut this down? > > >___ >FlexRadio mailing list >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ >FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] HyperSDR
> A few questions about HyperSDR: > - Is this the long anticipated 'New Architecture'? Yes. > > - Will the radio and its functions be accessible via DLL libraries? No. Something simpler. A message-passing protocol that works locally or remotely in a transparent way. Participating processes can be written in pretty much any language you please, because it's all protocol-based, not API-centric. > > - Is there a Time-Line so the Tinkerers can clear their schedules? After Dayton. There's a pre-alpha batch of code which I promised for 15 Dec but got diverted from for unavoidable reasons. Sometime in the next few days, I think. The current PowerSDR needs to be polished up and shrink-wrapped as-is for Dayton anyway. > - Any docs, wiki or blog to drool over? ;-) > Tim put a presentation on the Flex website that is based on a talk I gave at DCC in Hartford this year. Have a look at http://www.trapexit.org, too. 73 Frank AB2KT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/4a981b0e/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
As do I, and I am longer in tooth than my friend Bob at 74, working on 75. It is only natural in the future to have cross-platform development. Not everyone with an innovative idea is going to crank that thing out on a PC running XP service pack 2. Gerald has pledged he is not going to leave anyone in the dark, and you can write that on a rock. We will see innovation and thank goodness we will and a piece of software that will be platform independent is a dream that will be realized, I hope in my lifetime. I am one who refuses to go to VISTA. I look forward to running PowerSDR on my MacBook Pro with or with out BootCamp. And I used to be a programmer< GRIN > 73's Jim, W4ATK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://web.mac.com/jimrogers_w4atk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Tracy Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer " Insulting your staunchest supports is not going the right direction in sustaining success. I believe you owe Firebrick, and the rest of us who are getting long in tooth an apology." Being somewhat "long in the tooth" at 71, I fail to see what Bob has said that requires an apology. It may be that senility is setting in or I've lost the ability to parse an English sentence. Perhaps you could explicitly point out the offending phrase so I could get upset too, I hate being left out. Bob K5KDN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 9:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer Hi Bob, In the early morning quiet, I've been leaning back in my office chair watching the CW sigs bounce up and down on the Panadapter, pondering how to respond to you. I amazed and thankful that my career has spanned on of the greatest revolutions of mankind. All the way from a radio implemented (mostly) in a few vacuum tubes to a radio implemented (mostly) in a bit of software. I am thankful that you saw how synergize a extremely high performance SDR from a set of disparate technologies. You have my heartfelt congratulations on your vision and drive. Gerald has my congratulations on putting together a new breed of corporation that works so intimately with its customers. I am equally amazed by FlexRadio the Corporation. Sustaining the success achieved by the SDRxK and FlexRadio, will prove much harder than the achieving that success. Insulting your staunchest supports is not going the right direction in sustaining success. I believe you owe Firebrick, and the rest of us who are getting long in tooth an apology. As the years hollow out our cerebral cortex what to remains before senility is wisdom. Because we believe in FlexRadio we have a strong desire for it to succeed and thus a strong desire to share what we hope is our wisdom. SDR will succeed with out FlexRadio, but there has been till now a sense that being a Flexer was belonging to an exciting cooperative adventure. I hope that FlexRadio will find a way to sustain that sense of adventure as it succeeds. Few Corporations survive 5 years, far fewer 25 years and mebbe 5 Corperations have survived a 100 years. Those Corperations that survive to maturity listen to their customers and listen to technology. They find a way to marry the two. Listening either only to technology or only to customers is a one way ticket to oblivion. Bob, you would be amazed at how many Flexers are also DXLabers, N1MMers, etc. Together these apps achieve a synergy which puts a new excitement into amateur radio. Forcing a move away of the installed base on which these related apps run could be devastating. You make the point that virtulization is on its way not to worry... Well forcing us second lion "scouts and explorers" to move our related apps on to new machine will cause us difficulties as it twill he developers of DXLabs, N1MM and other similar apps. Apparently many of the digital apps have already dropped out of the running. Most of FlexRadio customers will be "settlers" experienced only in appliance radios wanting solutions which they can put on the air with minimum fuss. Yhese settlers want solutions no more difficult than hooking up a 706. FlexRadio has yet to win enough settlers to provide a cash cow sufficient to sustain an highly innovative Corportation. For now Flex needs to focus on establishing that cash cow customer base. My contemplation this morning focused on how to sustain an innovative Flexradio. It seems that a paradigm with a technology side to which those customers with "scout/explorer" personalities belong and production side to which those customers with a "settler" personality belong may well work beautifully. Tech transfer difficulties would of course be the rub. To me the proposed structure would assure
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
Peter wrote: "So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys saying is: The new stuff is going to be a Linux-only solution, but that with virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that same Linux box." Not exactly, but very close. If you had written: "So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys saying is: The new stuff is going use Linux, but that with virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that same Linux box." You would have been 100% correct. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter G. Viscarola Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 10:14 AM To: FlexRadio List Subject: Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer On Dec 25, 2007 9:28 PM, Robert McGwier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Gerald Youngblood (FlexRadio Systems) wrote: > >> > Let me clarify that FlexRadio will not force an OS that is not >> compatible >> > with the bulk of amateur radio software applications... >> >> The goal is to march along with the natural changes that are occurring >> even as I am typing... > > >Staying with the "old" version will always be possible. On the other >hand, if you want to take advantage of the "new" possibilities, you'll >have to >bit >the bullet. You'll have to swallow the unfortunate necessity of adopting >a >much simpler, more flexible, more capable system. > >Your choice. > So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys saying is: The new stuff is going to be a Linux-only solution, but that with virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that same Linux box. Did I get that right? de Peter K1PGV ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
Quoting Alan NV8A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Wed 26 Dec 2007 07:11:37 AM PST: > > As one who uses Windozzze as little as possible, I wish I could believe > you. But I'd almost be willing to bet that TurboTax 2012 (if not an > earlier version) will not run on XP. Developers do it all the time. Even > within the amateur radio software field, for example, running the > current version of Ham Radio Deluxe on Win98 is no longer officially > supported (although it may in fact still work). Does PowerSDR run on > Win98, or is XP required? The fundamental conflict with the combination of ham radio and PCs (of any OS and design) is that hams think of their equipment in terms of 10-15-20 year useful lives, but PCs (and the associated software) have a design useful life of more like 3-5 years. Inevitably, the "radio" part will outlast the "computer" part. Indeed, this is why coming up with abstraction layers and such in the software is so important. You can replace the computer part (possibly requiring new lower levels of software.. device drivers, etc.) and keep the familiar user interface. (or conversely, you can change the UI, while keeping the radio part). Jim, W6RMK ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
" Insulting your staunchest supports is not going the right direction in sustaining success. I believe you owe Firebrick, and the rest of us who are getting long in tooth an apology." Being somewhat "long in the tooth" at 71, I fail to see what Bob has said that requires an apology. It may be that senility is setting in or I've lost the ability to parse an English sentence. Perhaps you could explicitly point out the offending phrase so I could get upset too, I hate being left out. Bob K5KDN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 9:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer Hi Bob, In the early morning quiet, I've been leaning back in my office chair watching the CW sigs bounce up and down on the Panadapter, pondering how to respond to you. I amazed and thankful that my career has spanned on of the greatest revolutions of mankind. All the way from a radio implemented (mostly) in a few vacuum tubes to a radio implemented (mostly) in a bit of software. I am thankful that you saw how synergize a extremely high performance SDR from a set of disparate technologies. You have my heartfelt congratulations on your vision and drive. Gerald has my congratulations on putting together a new breed of corporation that works so intimately with its customers. I am equally amazed by FlexRadio the Corporation. Sustaining the success achieved by the SDRxK and FlexRadio, will prove much harder than the achieving that success. Insulting your staunchest supports is not going the right direction in sustaining success. I believe you owe Firebrick, and the rest of us who are getting long in tooth an apology. As the years hollow out our cerebral cortex what to remains before senility is wisdom. Because we believe in FlexRadio we have a strong desire for it to succeed and thus a strong desire to share what we hope is our wisdom. SDR will succeed with out FlexRadio, but there has been till now a sense that being a Flexer was belonging to an exciting cooperative adventure. I hope that FlexRadio will find a way to sustain that sense of adventure as it succeeds. Few Corporations survive 5 years, far fewer 25 years and mebbe 5 Corperations have survived a 100 years. Those Corperations that survive to maturity listen to their customers and listen to technology. They find a way to marry the two. Listening either only to technology or only to customers is a one way ticket to oblivion. Bob, you would be amazed at how many Flexers are also DXLabers, N1MMers, etc. Together these apps achieve a synergy which puts a new excitement into amateur radio. Forcing a move away of the installed base on which these related apps run could be devastating. You make the point that virtulization is on its way not to worry... Well forcing us second lion "scouts and explorers" to move our related apps on to new machine will cause us difficulties as it twill he developers of DXLabs, N1MM and other similar apps. Apparently many of the digital apps have already dropped out of the running. Most of FlexRadio customers will be "settlers" experienced only in appliance radios wanting solutions which they can put on the air with minimum fuss. Yhese settlers want solutions no more difficult than hooking up a 706. FlexRadio has yet to win enough settlers to provide a cash cow sufficient to sustain an highly innovative Corportation. For now Flex needs to focus on establishing that cash cow customer base. My contemplation this morning focused on how to sustain an innovative Flexradio. It seems that a paradigm with a technology side to which those customers with "scout/explorer" personalities belong and production side to which those customers with a "settler" personality belong may well work beautifully. Tech transfer difficulties would of course be the rub. To me the proposed structure would assure a (technology) home for the wonderful following of scouts and explorers Flexradio has accumulated. When the scouts and explorers start to get bored with an innovation, it should be clear to the production side of the house that it's time to "take" the product away from technology. It could then be provided as an improved cash cow to all the settlers who will always be the bulk of your customers. Bob, thanks again for such great innovations. Please keep FlexRadio a home for the best side of humanity and amateur radio. Most Sincerely, Rob AB7CF On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:28:42 -0500 Robert McGwier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gerald Youngblood (FlexRadio Systems) wrote: > > Let me clarify that FlexRadio will not force an OS that is not > compatible > > with the bulk of amateur radio software applications. I am not > sure where > > that idea came from. > > Regards, > > Gerald > > > > > The goal is to march along with the natural changes that are > occurring >
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
At 09:14 AM 12/26/2007, you wrote: >So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys >saying is: The new stuff is going to be a Linux-only solution, but that >with virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that same Linux >box. > >Did I get that right? > >de Peter K1PGV Not all OS's are the same contrary to other's opinion. From listening to programmers on other list there are many features that are much easier to implement in Linux than in Windows, and some things are extremely difficult at best, so the fact that they will be doing their main development in Linux doesn't bother me at all. None of the developers have stated that Windows will not be supported, but the pecking order will be first in Linux, then in Windows. It's hard enough to figure out a feature and get it working without also fighting the OS at the same time. Once you got it working on an OS that doesn't impede you then you can concentrate on how to get Windows to work. In the end it doesn't matter what we think, the guys making the software work, both volunteers or paid employees will make that decision. I'm not worried about it, the people at Flex are no fools they will make sure that the software is available for the OS most people are using. Cecil K5NWA www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com "Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light." ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
On Dec 25, 2007 9:28 PM, Robert McGwier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Gerald Youngblood (FlexRadio Systems) wrote: > >> > Let me clarify that FlexRadio will not force an OS that is not >> compatible >> > with the bulk of amateur radio software applications... >> >> The goal is to march along with the natural changes that are occurring >> even as I am typing... > > >Staying with the "old" version will always be possible. On the other >hand, >if you want to take advantage of the "new" possibilities, you'll have to >bit >the bullet. You'll have to swallow the unfortunate necessity of adopting >a >much simpler, more flexible, more capable system. > >Your choice. > So, in nice, clear, simple to understand terms what I hear you guys saying is: The new stuff is going to be a Linux-only solution, but that with virtualization we'll be able to run Windows apps on that same Linux box. Did I get that right? de Peter K1PGV ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
On 12/25/07 09:28 pm Robert McGwier wrote: > My 64 bit Linux machine is running Windows XP in a virtual machine. For > exactly the same reasons as our DX'ing friend FireFox, I need this > windows to work and to work seamlessly. I use Quicken, Turbo Tax, > Real Rhapsody as THE three most important applications in my personal > life. They all use bloody internet explorer to render their content. > There are versions of Rhapsody using flash, etc. that run perfectly well > on Linux but these do not build libraries from bought songs and do not > rip CD's to the Rhapsody library. Quicken and later Turbo Tax quite > literally remade my life over 20 years ago when I started using Intuit > tools. I will be loathe to give them up. I have purchased, absolutely, > my LAST windows only machine because I no longer require it! I am free. > Vista will never run on a machine I use that I pay for. As one who uses Windozzze as little as possible, I wish I could believe you. But I'd almost be willing to bet that TurboTax 2012 (if not an earlier version) will not run on XP. Developers do it all the time. Even within the amateur radio software field, for example, running the current version of Ham Radio Deluxe on Win98 is no longer officially supported (although it may in fact still work). Does PowerSDR run on Win98, or is XP required? 73 Alan NV8A ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I'm not a programmer
Hi Bob, In the early morning quiet, I've been leaning back in my office chair watching the CW sigs bounce up and down on the Panadapter, pondering how to respond to you. I amazed and thankful that my career has spanned on of the greatest revolutions of mankind. All the way from a radio implemented (mostly) in a few vacuum tubes to a radio implemented (mostly) in a bit of software. I am thankful that you saw how synergize a extremely high performance SDR from a set of disparate technologies. You have my heartfelt congratulations on your vision and drive. Gerald has my congratulations on putting together a new breed of corporation that works so intimately with its customers. I am equally amazed by FlexRadio the Corporation. Sustaining the success achieved by the SDRxK and FlexRadio, will prove much harder than the achieving that success. Insulting your staunchest supports is not going the right direction in sustaining success. I believe you owe Firebrick, and the rest of us who are getting long in tooth an apology. As the years hollow out our cerebral cortex what to remains before senility is wisdom. Because we believe in FlexRadio we have a strong desire for it to succeed and thus a strong desire to share what we hope is our wisdom. SDR will succeed with out FlexRadio, but there has been till now a sense that being a Flexer was belonging to an exciting cooperative adventure. I hope that FlexRadio will find a way to sustain that sense of adventure as it succeeds. Few Corporations survive 5 years, far fewer 25 years and mebbe 5 Corperations have survived a 100 years. Those Corperations that survive to maturity listen to their customers and listen to technology. They find a way to marry the two. Listening either only to technology or only to customers is a one way ticket to oblivion. Bob, you would be amazed at how many Flexers are also DXLabers, N1MMers, etc. Together these apps achieve a synergy which puts a new excitement into amateur radio. Forcing a move away of the installed base on which these related apps run could be devastating. You make the point that virtulization is on its way not to worry... Well forcing us second lion "scouts and explorers" to move our related apps on to new machine will cause us difficulties as it twill he developers of DXLabs, N1MM and other similar apps. Apparently many of the digital apps have already dropped out of the running. Most of FlexRadio customers will be "settlers" experienced only in appliance radios wanting solutions which they can put on the air with minimum fuss. Yhese settlers want solutions no more difficult than hooking up a 706. FlexRadio has yet to win enough settlers to provide a cash cow sufficient to sustain an highly innovative Corportation. For now Flex needs to focus on establishing that cash cow customer base. My contemplation this morning focused on how to sustain an innovative Flexradio. It seems that a paradigm with a technology side to which those customers with "scout/explorer" personalities belong and production side to which those customers with a "settler" personality belong may well work beautifully. Tech transfer difficulties would of course be the rub. To me the proposed structure would assure a (technology) home for the wonderful following of scouts and explorers Flexradio has accumulated. When the scouts and explorers start to get bored with an innovation, it should be clear to the production side of the house that it's time to "take" the product away from technology. It could then be provided as an improved cash cow to all the settlers who will always be the bulk of your customers. Bob, thanks again for such great innovations. Please keep FlexRadio a home for the best side of humanity and amateur radio. Most Sincerely, Rob AB7CF On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:28:42 -0500 Robert McGwier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gerald Youngblood (FlexRadio Systems) wrote: > > Let me clarify that FlexRadio will not force an OS that is not > compatible > > with the bulk of amateur radio software applications. I am not > sure where > > that idea came from. > > Regards, > > Gerald > > > > > The goal is to march along with the natural changes that are > occurring > even as I am typing. The things that are changing our computing > world > are virtualization and multiple cores increasing in number to a > point of > diminishing returns brought on by the increasing likelihood of > contention for memory and hardware required to provide coherence, > etc. > It is a dramatic change that has not filtered down to my 73 year old > mother, and just recently to my 20 year old daughter and it has not > filtered down to Firebrick and other users because, so far, they > have > seen no need to. This is not a thing to be feared but to be > embraced as > most will come to see. > > This is having a dramatic impact all over in development circles. > My > daughter's Mac book is running XP and some of her favorite >
Re: [Flexradio] is there a 'notch' filter
I had this happen yesterday. I was listening on 7001.5 for Antarctica and a few dozen hz down the band was a spur from some electrical noiseI was wishing for a sharp manually tunable notch that I could sneak up from below and give that carrier hell. If I turned on the ANF it did a great job on the noise went away but so did Antarctica. I believe that is what Bill is writing about Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071226/bc572a36/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] HyperSDR
Many of the dramatic changes coming up in HyperSDR will be invisible to the user. They involve radical reorientation of the structure and underpinnings of PowerSDR. It is not just a goal but an absolute necessity for these changes to *simplify* life for the user. At the same time, what the changes do is make possible a huge range of enhancements to the radio software as a system and not as a single application. A few questions about HyperSDR: - Is this the long anticipated 'New Architecture'? - Will the radio and its functions be accessible via DLL libraries? - Is there a Time-Line so the Tinkerers can clear their schedules? - Any docs, wiki or blog to drool over? ;-) Tell us more, please. Steve - K5FR ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] is there a 'notch' filter
I think I am missing something here. Perhaps I am taking Firebricks posting too literally. 1820 is in the CW portion of 160 if I am not mistaken. A notch on 1820 would eliminate the "birdie" and also anything else i.e. a CW signal on that frequency. The ANF in the Flex-5000 is so good when I turn it on while receiving a CW signal, all that is left are "clicks" and I have never mastered that version of Morse. Perhaps what you guys are wishing for is a tunable notch filter. As for me, I find the filters in the Flex to be sufficient to screen anything but a dead zero beat interfering signal. Please help me understand if I have mis-understood. 73's Jim, W4ATK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://web.mac.com/jimrogers_w4atk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Blaschke Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:55 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; FireBrick Subject: Re: [Flexradio] is there a 'notch' filter These are BC band harmonics. I too, would welcome a notch filter, and a spot button for CW Merry Christmas & Happy New Year Dave, W5UN At 22:33 12/25/2007, you wrote: >I've got a birdy, dead on 1.820 which is a common DX frequency. >Can't Notch it out with ANF. > >Probably a video card birdy. > >Another dead on 1.810 which I'm betting is related. > >Any aspect of PWSDR that can cut this down? > > >___ >FlexRadio mailing list >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ >FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
