Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Bob McGwier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Frank and I differ. The ultimate capabilities are profoundly revolutionary, > as revolutionary an impact on radio as say CW Skimmer is having on CW > contesting/operating. That said, the opening salvos will be functional, > not glitzy and the glitz will come with time. Bob knows very well that I was merely trying to show some false humility. 73 Frank AB2KT -- Travelling by airplane in the US is nothing more than mass training of Americans to the requirements of the coming police state. The whole point is to make you learn to acquiesce without question, en masse, to completely absurd directives by dull functionaries wearing uniforms. -- Digby ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
Quoting Lee Mushel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Sun 27 Jul 2008 03:32:01 PM PDT: > I just got up from my nap to see the cognitive contesting business and I > will admit that something that complex offers more than a few interesting > aspects but you've not considered the *missing link*! I see precious few > cognitive operators and an amazing number of ideas that I don't understand. > How, for example, can you claim to have an emergency communications system > when no one has ever talked to any of the good folks who are going to be > served? Amateur radio isn't intended for Emergency Communications (at least, that's not one of the reasons in Part 97). It just happens to be used for it, particularly for non-emergency tactical comms portrayed as rehearsals for real emergencies. This is not to say that hams don't provide useful services.. but a lot of that service is something in Part 97: skilled ops.. which I take to mean the ability to get an antenna strung up in a tree because the storm just blew the tower down, etc. However, tinkering with C/SDR is definitely one of the Part 97 things.. improving the state of the radio art. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
Quoting Lee A Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Sun 27 Jul 2008 12:59:11 PM PDT: > > This is why flexwire is so much more than just a bus to run some > relays, and why it will be important to be able to distribute > functionality across a network. Flexwire is a master-slave/ > master-master 2 way high speed (relatively) communications protocol. I wouldn't contemplate Flexwire for "interprocessor" communications... use Ethernet. I2C is designed for fairly dumb peripherals. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
Frank and I differ. The ultimate capabilities are profoundly revolutionary, as revolutionary an impact on radio as say CW Skimmer is having on CW contesting/operating. That said, the opening salvos will be functional, not glitzy and the glitz will come with time. Bob ARRL SDR Working Group Chair Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. "Trample the slow Hurdle the dead" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Brickle Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:33 PM To: Tim Ellison (W4TME) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? Tim is exactly right. And anyway, we're out of the closet in admitting that the highly-esteemed "new architecture" is really just some "old architecture" applied to a mildly novel problem. Calling the prototype VR the new radio might be just a sliver less pretentious than continuing to call it by a name that implies something profoundly revolutionary :-) 73 Frank AB2KT On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Tim Ellison (W4TME) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > No new physical radio, per se. When you match the new VR code with the > FLEX-5000 and the SDR-1000, you will have new software defined radios that > are going to be very different from what you have today with PowerSDR 1.x. > That is what was promised to have running for Dayton 09. In the software > defined domain of programmers, the hardware is not really the radio, it is > just a source and destination for I/Q data streams for some black box to > make RF out of. > > - Tim > - > FRS Internet Systems Administrator > W4TME > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kirb Nesbitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:22 PM > Subject: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? > > > > New Radio? Please step up and speak into the microphone, sir. :-) > > > > Frank, AB2KT said- > > " Sooner than you might think. We are moving very fast now towards an > > earlier > > exposure of alpha code for the new radio than we'd previously announced > > (Dayton next)." > > > > Kirb - VE6IV > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > -- Travelling by airplane in the US is nothing more than mass training of Americans to the requirements of the coming police state. The whole point is to make you learn to acquiesce without question, en masse, to completely absurd directives by dull functionaries wearing uniforms. -- Digby ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Lee A Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Why a subcarrier? just make it the contest exchange Two reasons: (1) So it can be decoded automatically by a simple demod, rather than (say) an open-speaker-set voice transcription, by a program sucking in all available signals in the passband (2) So you only need to capture a partial transmission to get all the info -- say 80 bits at 300bps -> a little more then 1/4 second, repeatedly. out of any transmitted segment. The method is a little stickier when CW is involved :-) 73 Frank AB2KT -- Travelling by airplane in the US is nothing more than mass training of Americans to the requirements of the coming police state. The whole point is to make you learn to acquiesce without question, en masse, to completely absurd directives by dull functionaries wearing uniforms. -- Digby ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
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Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
I just got up from my nap to see the cognitive contesting business and I will admit that something that complex offers more than a few interesting aspects but you've not considered the *missing link*! I see precious few cognitive operators and an amazing number of ideas that I don't understand. How, for example, can you claim to have an emergency communications system when no one has ever talked to any of the good folks who are going to be served? Or what can anyone be thinking of when linking systems that are inherently limited as far as communications volume is concerned thus further choking a system that is already limited? Yet, everywhere I turn this is the amateur radio *norm.* If you aren't careful people will start passing us off as nothing but another elite group. Of course we are but I know my grandmother wouldn't approve of saying it! 73 Lee K9WRU - Original Message - From: "Frank Brickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Dennison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Robert Dennison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I've been in a few sports (like fencing) where automation basically > > ruined what was a very interesting activity... > > > Oh, well, you can be sure there will be contesting. It's like, around the > world, give a few kids a few square meters of open ground and something to > kick, and there *will* be soccer. > > However, with amateur radio contesting, the prospects especially for > technological enhancements are very enticing. For example, with > authenticated logging of location (GPS) and instantaneous power, the idea > of weighted distance scoring (distance between stations divided by power in > watts) is not only practical but leads to a very interesting set of > strategic challenges, especially if you can tailor power to optimize score > for a given QSO. Now, suppose all the stations had digital subcarriers that > sent their own values (coordinates, power) with each transmission. On six > meters, say, you have some entertaining decisions to make over what stations > to go after, in what order, and at what power, knowing full well that the > openings are of very limited duration... > > Of course the thing that would ensure the survival of amateur contesting > into perpetuity would be open wagering, but *that* would never happen, would > it? > > 73 > Frank > AB2KT > > > -- > Travelling by airplane in the US is nothing more than mass training of > Americans to the requirements of the coming police state. The whole point is > to make you learn to acquiesce without question, en masse, to completely > absurd directives by dull functionaries wearing uniforms. -- Digby > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Robert Dennison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been in a few sports (like fencing) where automation basically > ruined what was a very interesting activity... Oh, well, you can be sure there will be contesting. It's like, around the world, give a few kids a few square meters of open ground and something to kick, and there *will* be soccer. However, with amateur radio contesting, the prospects especially for technological enhancements are very enticing. For example, with authenticated logging of location (GPS) and instantaneous power, the idea of weighted distance scoring (distance between stations divided by power in watts) is not only practical but leads to a very interesting set of strategic challenges, especially if you can tailor power to optimize score for a given QSO. Now, suppose all the stations had digital subcarriers that sent their own values (coordinates, power) with each transmission. On six meters, say, you have some entertaining decisions to make over what stations to go after, in what order, and at what power, knowing full well that the openings are of very limited duration... Of course the thing that would ensure the survival of amateur contesting into perpetuity would be open wagering, but *that* would never happen, would it? 73 Frank AB2KT -- Travelling by airplane in the US is nothing more than mass training of Americans to the requirements of the coming police state. The whole point is to make you learn to acquiesce without question, en masse, to completely absurd directives by dull functionaries wearing uniforms. -- Digby ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
Hey Frank, Like your thoughts... I've been in a few sports (like fencing) where automation basically ruined what was a very interesting activity. Your thoughts could well prevent that from happening in Ham radio contesting!!Stick with it! 73's Rob AB7CF On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:57:59 -0700 "Frank Brickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > ...sit around on the beach with your friends in Aruba steaming > oysters and > > drinking cold ones by the fire for 24 hours... > > > Actually this is a pretty good opportunity to illustrate the > difference > between the limited Cognitive Radio and the full-up one. > > With the Big Bertha, bells-and-whistles version, the radio will > *also* send > a text message informing the local liquor store when you're running > low on > cold ones, and best of all, order up champagne when you've completed > the > Sweep. All the limited Cognitive Radio can do is change bands by > itself > occasionally :-) > > To be a little on the serious side, though, I think the contesters > who are > so up-in-arms are completely blind to the main trend. > > What the technology does is kick up by dozens of notches the nature > of the > interaction by contesters. Very few hams are going to have much > interest > long-term in sitting back, drinking cold ones during a pointless > exchange of > QSOs, year after year. > > *However*. Suppose what the cognitive technology does is increase > the rate > of speed and breadth of the battlefield, so to speak. Suppose what > the > technology does is make all the bands a panoramic playing board > where you > can see and track, moment by moment, everything that your > competition is > doing? Suppose contesting weren't just a stay-in-the-chair, > keep-up-the-QSO-rate exercise, but could become a moment-to-moment, > multiplayer, station-against-station game? > > In short, the C/SDR technology is perfectly capable of turning a > contest > from a long, solitary slog against attritition, to an action game > with > hundreds if not thousands of players. That might be a frightening > prospect > to some contesters too, but you can't say it's draining the interest > out of > the sport :-) > > 73 > Frank > AB2KT > > > -- > Travelling by airplane in the US is nothing more than mass training > of > Americans to the requirements of the coming police state. The whole > point is > to make you learn to acquiesce without question, en masse, to > completely > absurd directives by dull functionaries wearing uniforms. -- Digby > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWsAHdatw1ZUIVL3JNVkBuvPsHQ35SMjIYWlgH4xmO8ETh/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
The Contest SDR will have far more capability. The whole gig about contesting is probability and maximizing efficiencies and there now exist monte carlo engines that can run thousands of simulations and develop a distribution of forward looking likely scenarios, and can do a risk benefit analysis to help you make decisions. It won't be you sitting on the beach at Aruba. It will be the program analyzing what is available on each of several bands, analyzing the propagation and whether signals are building or receding, analyzing the "rareness" of the multiplier, analyzing the relative QRM environment and whether the station is running efficiently, and doing this for dozens or hundreds of potential contacts and then coming up with a schedule for you to run off these contacts while at the same time maintaining your "run" freq on a separate band. The radio will have its ability to dynamically adjust the antenna for best forward gain in a particular direction on TX and best pattern or RX on receive (eg diversity). The antenna system can look for best path eg skewed paths or long/short path. etc etc and it can do all this before you show up on freq to make the contact. In my mind the LCD will be replaced with some kind of heads up display and the mouse will be replaced with something like a joystick and contesting will become something similar to being in a cockpit and dogfighting, or some other kind of game interface. your feet could be controlling the run freq logging while your hands control racking up multipliers. This is why flexwire is so much more than just a bus to run some relays, and why it will be important to be able to distribute functionality across a network. Flexwire is a master-slave/ master-master 2 way high speed (relatively) communications protocol. I hope that complexity is recognized and implemented. If the contest boys are kvetching about CW skimmer they better get out the KY. The hand writing is on the wall. Contesting will become a real test of skills and brain power, not just some joker with half a million invested in real estate towers aluminum and 4cx5000's. What will happen is all the jokers with the above investment will get together and try to jigger the rules, like they will do with Skimmer. They will try to do a statistical analysis to try and flag non random randomness in scores. What will happen then is people will figure out how to beat those score checking programs, since the radio can be made to schedule its contacts in such a way that beats the score checkers and eventually we will be free as the scores of the "big iron" men fall to dust. Remember when the Fosburry flop came on the scene in the '68 Olympics? The better mouse trap was built. High jumpers have been flopping ever since. The future is so bright I need shades. 73 W9OY ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...sit around on the beach with your friends in Aruba steaming oysters and > drinking cold ones by the fire for 24 hours... Actually this is a pretty good opportunity to illustrate the difference between the limited Cognitive Radio and the full-up one. With the Big Bertha, bells-and-whistles version, the radio will *also* send a text message informing the local liquor store when you're running low on cold ones, and best of all, order up champagne when you've completed the Sweep. All the limited Cognitive Radio can do is change bands by itself occasionally :-) To be a little on the serious side, though, I think the contesters who are so up-in-arms are completely blind to the main trend. What the technology does is kick up by dozens of notches the nature of the interaction by contesters. Very few hams are going to have much interest long-term in sitting back, drinking cold ones during a pointless exchange of QSOs, year after year. *However*. Suppose what the cognitive technology does is increase the rate of speed and breadth of the battlefield, so to speak. Suppose what the technology does is make all the bands a panoramic playing board where you can see and track, moment by moment, everything that your competition is doing? Suppose contesting weren't just a stay-in-the-chair, keep-up-the-QSO-rate exercise, but could become a moment-to-moment, multiplayer, station-against-station game? In short, the C/SDR technology is perfectly capable of turning a contest from a long, solitary slog against attritition, to an action game with hundreds if not thousands of players. That might be a frightening prospect to some contesters too, but you can't say it's draining the interest out of the sport :-) 73 Frank AB2KT -- Travelling by airplane in the US is nothing more than mass training of Americans to the requirements of the coming police state. The whole point is to make you learn to acquiesce without question, en masse, to completely absurd directives by dull functionaries wearing uniforms. -- Digby ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
"Think of a "smart" contesting SDR" At the contesters forum this year at Dayton they were all zigged up about CW skimmer. This will really get there undergarments in a perpetual wad. Just think about it. The control op just need to be in "control" of the radio, not actually operating it (e.g. repeaters) so you could setup your station, fire up a C/SDR contest application, "control" its operation via Wi-Fi enabled tablet computer and then just sit around on the beach with your friends in Aruba steaming oysters and drinking cold ones by the fire for 24 hours while you win first place high power all-band SO2R "assisted". -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Brickle Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:16 PM To: Robert Dennison Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Robert Dennison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A thinking SDR should be fascinating... > The word "cognitive" is kind of misleading. By convention, a Cognitive Radio is one which, without operator intervention, will reconfigure itself based on its current signal environment. That's a very limited sense of Cognitive as far as modern AI is concerned. In a lot of ways, the CompSci term "introspective" captures the more restricted SDR idea better. A full-blown Cognitive Radio might be better thought of as primarily an autonomous agent -- a particular chunk of software -- that happens to have RF transducers attached to it. The "radio" capabilities extend far beyond merely reconfiguring the transducers and protocols, which is all that's implied by the conventional name. In particular, a full-up C/SDR is also capable of, say, defining for itself completely innovative sequences of actions based on, not just the signal environment, but also on the payloads of selected signals which are identified by probability models of unconnected systems, etc. Think of a "smart" contesting SDR. It's doing a lot more than what's usually contained in the conventional definition of a Cognitive Radio. 73 Frank AB2KT -- Travelling by airplane in the US is nothing more than mass training of Americans to the requirements of the coming police state. The whole point is to make you learn to acquiesce without question, en masse, to completely absurd directives by dull functionaries wearing uniforms. -- Digby ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Robert Dennison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A thinking SDR should be fascinating... > The word "cognitive" is kind of misleading. By convention, a Cognitive Radio is one which, without operator intervention, will reconfigure itself based on its current signal environment. That's a very limited sense of Cognitive as far as modern AI is concerned. In a lot of ways, the CompSci term "introspective" captures the more restricted SDR idea better. A full-blown Cognitive Radio might be better thought of as primarily an autonomous agent -- a particular chunk of software -- that happens to have RF transducers attached to it. The "radio" capabilities extend far beyond merely reconfiguring the transducers and protocols, which is all that's implied by the conventional name. In particular, a full-up C/SDR is also capable of, say, defining for itself completely innovative sequences of actions based on, not just the signal environment, but also on the payloads of selected signals which are identified by probability models of unconnected systems, etc. Think of a "smart" contesting SDR. It's doing a lot more than what's usually contained in the conventional definition of a Cognitive Radio. 73 Frank AB2KT -- Travelling by airplane in the US is nothing more than mass training of Americans to the requirements of the coming police state. The whole point is to make you learn to acquiesce without question, en masse, to completely absurd directives by dull functionaries wearing uniforms. -- Digby ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
Geralds Baby Girl? On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Ken N9VV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hummm > GBG = "gotta be good" ? > GBG = "God Bless Gerald" ? > GBG = "Greatness Beyond Grandure" ? > GBG = "Great Big Gadget" ? > GBG = "Grand Boundless Gates" ? > GBG = "Golden Brass Goblets" ? > . > . > . > de ken n9vv > >> GBG -> initials for a set of words still secret to me, but not hard to >> figure out > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > -- Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux (540) 242 0911 - Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - introduction priced at $10.99 - For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com - See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in action at www.flex-videos.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
Hummm GBG = "gotta be good" ? GBG = "God Bless Gerald" ? GBG = "Greatness Beyond Grandure" ? GBG = "Great Big Gadget" ? GBG = "Grand Boundless Gates" ? GBG = "Golden Brass Goblets" ? . . . de ken n9vv > GBG -> initials for a set of words still secret to me, but not hard to > figure out ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
Hey Frank, Thanks for the definitions! Nice to have a few secrets. A thinking SDR should be fascinating... Rob AB7CF On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:56:33 -0700 "Frank Brickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: FSM -> Finite State Machine C/SDR -> Cognitive/Software Defined Radio VR -> Virtual Radio GBG -> initials for a set of words still secret to me, but not hard to figure out AFAP -> As Far As Possible *nix -> shorthand for the family of operating systems descended from Unix 73 Frank AB2KT PS The presentation you viewed goes along with a paper published in the ARRL/TAPR DCC Proceedings from 2007. On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Robert Dennison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well Tim, I followed your advice and all went well till I got to Frank Brickle's presentation. I'm sure that Frank added the necessary explanation during the presentation. Please if we could just have the overloaded 3 letter acronyms elaborated: How about FSM, C/SDR, VR, GBG, AFAP, nix? Of course I can guess, and in truth some are technically defined during the presentation but not the literal abbreviations. How 'bout sharing the words behind the letters? Thanks in advance Rob AB7CF. On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:54:31 -0400 "Tim Ellison \(W4TME\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Try the FlexRadio FAQ page > http://www.flex-radio.com/Products.aspx?topic=faq#psdr2 > > - Tim > - > FRS Internet Systems Administrator > W4TME > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dennis Petrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Tim Ellison (W4TME)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? > > > > Impressive, can you point me to some description of what VR code > is? I > > have the SDR-1000. > > > > Thanks, Dennis, k0eoo > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Tim Ellison (W4TME)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? > > > > > >> No new physical radio, per se. When you match the new VR code > with the > >> FLEX-5000 and the SDR-1000, you will have new software defined > radios > >> that > >> are going to be very different from what you have today with > PowerSDR > >> 1.x. > >> That is what was promised to have running for Dayton 09. In the > software > >> defined domain of programmers, the hardware is not really the > radio, it > >> is > >> just a source and destination for I/Q data streams for some black > box to > >> make RF out of. > >> > >> - Tim > >> - > >> FRS Internet Systems Administrator > >> W4TME > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Kirb Nesbitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:22 PM > >> Subject: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? > >> > >> > >>> New Radio? Please step up and speak into the microphone, sir. > :-) > >>> > >>> Frank, AB2KT said- > >>> " Sooner than you might think. We are moving very fast now > towards an > >>> earlier > >>> exposure of alpha code for the new radio than we'd previously > announced > >>> (Dayton next)." > >>> > >>> Kirb - VE6IV > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > >>> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > >>> > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > >>> Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > >>> Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > >>> http://www.flex-radio.com/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > >> > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > >> Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > >> Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > >> http://www.flex-radio.com/ > >> > >> > >> > >> __ NOD32 3300 (20080725) Information __ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > Make money while helping others. Click here for information on becoming a personal trainer. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nlvWG9bc5jCRrG1RnsMECb zJz32566NnQgBsXsHGuyhGc0j/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homep
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
FSM -> Finite State Machine C/SDR -> Cognitive/Software Defined Radio VR -> Virtual Radio GBG -> initials for a set of words still secret to me, but not hard to figure out AFAP -> As Far As Possible *nix -> shorthand for the family of operating systems descended from Unix 73 Frank AB2KT PS The presentation you viewed goes along with a paper published in the ARRL/TAPR DCC Proceedings from 2007. On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Robert Dennison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well Tim, > > I followed your advice and all went well till I got to Frank Brickle's > presentation. I'm sure that Frank added the necessary explanation > during the presentation. > > Please if we could just have the overloaded 3 letter acronyms elaborated: > How about > > FSM, C/SDR, VR, GBG, AFAP, nix? > > Of course I can guess, and in truth some are technically defined during > the presentation but not the literal abbreviations. How 'bout sharing > the words behind the letters? > > Thanks in advance > Rob > AB7CF. > > > > > > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:54:31 -0400 "Tim Ellison \(W4TME\)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Try the FlexRadio FAQ page > > http://www.flex-radio.com/Products.aspx?topic=faq#psdr2 > > > > - Tim > > - > > FRS Internet Systems Administrator > > W4TME > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dennis Petrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Tim Ellison (W4TME)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? > > > > > > > Impressive, can you point me to some description of what VR code > > is? I > > > have the SDR-1000. > > > > > > Thanks, Dennis, k0eoo > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Tim Ellison (W4TME)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? > > > > > > > > >> No new physical radio, per se. When you match the new VR code > > with the > > >> FLEX-5000 and the SDR-1000, you will have new software defined > > radios > > >> that > > >> are going to be very different from what you have today with > > PowerSDR > > >> 1.x. > > >> That is what was promised to have running for Dayton 09. In the > > software > > >> defined domain of programmers, the hardware is not really the > > radio, it > > >> is > > >> just a source and destination for I/Q data streams for some black > > box to > > >> make RF out of. > > >> > > >> - Tim > > >> - > > >> FRS Internet Systems Administrator > > >> W4TME > > >> > > >> > > >> - Original Message - > > >> From: "Kirb Nesbitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:22 PM > > >> Subject: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio? > > >> > > >> > > >>> New Radio? Please step up and speak into the microphone, sir. > > :-) > > >>> > > >>> Frank, AB2KT said- > > >>> " Sooner than you might think. We are moving very fast now > > towards an > > >>> earlier > > >>> exposure of alpha code for the new radio than we'd previously > > announced > > >>> (Dayton next)." > > >>> > > >>> Kirb - VE6IV > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ___ > > >>> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > >>> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > >>> > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > >>> Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > >>> Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > > >>> http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > >> > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > >> Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > >> Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > > >> http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> __ NOD32 3300 (20080725) Information __ > > >> > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >> http://www.eset.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > > > > > > Make money while helping others. Click here for information on becoming a > personal trainer. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nlvWG9bc5jCRrG1RnsMECbzJz32566NnQgBsXsHGuyhGc0j/ > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-arch
Re: [Flexradio] New Model from FlexRadio?
*That* is impressive! John PS -- I went to the "Round the Horne Revisited" stage show a few years ago. Another great British radio show. Alan NV8A said the following on 07/26/2008 10:20 PM: > Probably I can do you one better: I attended one of their recording > sessions back in the 1950s. > > 73 > > Alan NV8A > > > On 07/26/08 07:55 pm Frank Brickle wrote: > >> Sapristi niakos! Found out! Precisely -- and yours also, John, you silly, >> twisted boy. >> >> 73 >> Frank >> AB2KT >> >> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 4:31 PM, John Ackermann N8UR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Not surprising -- I recall Frank's familiarity with The Highly-Esteemed >>> Goon Show! >>> >>> John ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Audio mixer/amp recommendation?
I use the Flex-5000a PWR SPKR line out to the computer sound card line line in. Then listen on computer speakers. Can balance with the 5000 mixer output or the line in. 73's , Bruce KL7JDR Bruce W. Mills P.O. Box 1500 31490 Echo Lake Road Soldotna , Alaska 99669 (907)262-4373 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
