Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Re: Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur????
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Bill Tippett wrote: > WB6RQN wrote: > >> The end result? One guy, with one station, at the flick of one switch, now > works every station automatically, some (many?) of them simultaneously. With > the ability to scan and monitor other bands the software can determine > changing propagation conditions and switch bands, continuing the process. > >> I know, this sounds like science fiction but it is possible to do this >> today > with the Flex radios. No, the existing PowerSDR will not allow this but I > suspect that the next gen software, if it is sufficiently modular, will > permit someone to build just such a fully-automatic contest station. All it > will take is a bit of time, money, and willingness to get the job done. > > Not science fiction at all. Once you remove the need for decoding by > humans, everything else already exists. Turn on your computer, leave on a > one year cruise, and see how many contests and new DXCC countries you have > "worked" when you return. The real question is "Does that really excite > you?" Not at all for me...in fact it sounds totally boring. My fun in > radio is the operating. Remove that and I'll take up photography or sail > around the world. > > This is precisely the reason CW Skimmer (or equivalent) puts one in a > different class in contests today. Contests are meant to be between humans, > not computers. Perhaps another analogy is chess. Is the goal to see who > has the best computer and software or who has the best unassisted brain? To > each his own, but a fully-automatic contest station sounds totally boring to > me. It all depends on where your frontier lies. To me it would be interesting to craft the system that would work the contests. To me that would be much more interesting than actually working the contests myself. Also, once the program showed what it could do, I *would* be bored with it. I like building tools that make other things possible. But there are those who are so interested in being on top of the contest ladder I suspect that they will want something like it. To each his own. But having a receiver that would decode *everything* would be very cool. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex 3000 48K or 96K? SR?
Steven, There is a relationship between sampling rate, DSP buffer size (not the audio buffer size) and filter shape (both RX and TX). It is described in detail here: http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50437.aspx Sampling rate also determines the amount of viewable bandwidth in the Panadapter. You need to pick the sampling rate which give you the operating characteristics you want and performs well on your computer as higher sampling rates and larger DSP filter sizes consume more CPU resources. Personally, I find that 96K provides enough viewable bandwidth and sharp enough filters for phone and digital modes for both the F3K and F5K. CW usually requires sharper filters, so 48K would be a better option. "What does spur reduction do? Is this at transmit or receive function?" All of the PowerSDR controls are described in the FLEX-3000 Owner's Manual. See page 85. http://support.flex-radio.com/Downloads.aspx?id=271 -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Steven L Hess Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:16 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Flex 3000 48K or 96K? SR? I need advice on the sample rate. I run SSB almost entirely. OS is Windows 7 64 bit with the current Flex drivers and PowerSDR. Processor is a AMD Phenom II 2.8 ghz L2 is 512 x 4 with 4 gigs of ram. Which sample rate should I use? Currently I am running 48K with a 2048 buffer in safe mode level 1. All I do is check into a couple of nets on 80 meters right now. I usually use the 2.1k filter and sometime a variable filter that is low -2850 high -150 at some point in the future I will load my copy of VAC on this new system and get the digital modes installed. What does spur reduction do? Is this at transmit or receive function? This is a virgin install as I got the parts for this machine as a late Christmas present from my beautiful wife. The Flex-3000 was also a gift from her. I was actually using the Flex-3000 with a Athlon 1.8 ghz machine with 1 gig of memory and XP Home for a while. It worked mostly just fine but my DPCs were very low on that box. I haven't even measured them on the new machine. Steven -- Regards de KC6KGE "Up all night" Monitoring at least one of the following Frequencies: 3975, 7181, 14.329, 52.560, 146.550 Simplex tone squelch PL 100 and, 442.950 + PL 103.5 or 443.900 + PL 100. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] Flex 3000 48K or 96K? SR?
I need advice on the sample rate. I run SSB almost entirely. OS is Windows 7 64 bit with the current Flex drivers and PowerSDR. Processor is a AMD Phenom II 2.8 ghz L2 is 512 x 4 with 4 gigs of ram. Which sample rate should I use? Currently I am running 48K with a 2048 buffer in safe mode level 1. All I do is check into a couple of nets on 80 meters right now. I usually use the 2.1k filter and sometime a variable filter that is low -2850 high -150 at some point in the future I will load my copy of VAC on this new system and get the digital modes installed. What does spur reduction do? Is this at transmit or receive function? This is a virgin install as I got the parts for this machine as a late Christmas present from my beautiful wife. The Flex-3000 was also a gift from her. I was actually using the Flex-3000 with a Athlon 1.8 ghz machine with 1 gig of memory and XP Home for a while. It worked mostly just fine but my DPCs were very low on that box. I haven't even measured them on the new machine. Steven -- Regards de KC6KGE "Up all night" Monitoring at least one of the following Frequencies: 3975, 7181, 14.329, 52.560, 146.550 Simplex tone squelch PL 100 and, 442.950 + PL 103.5 or 443.900 + PL 100. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] 160m preamp ?
Sure it is possible, but it won't do you any good. The roll off in response for the F5K preamp is such that it does little if any good on 160m, which is why it is not an available option on 160m. You would be better off with a preamp/preselector for 160m. The preslector or BCB filter will help eliminate strong signals from below 1.8 MHz causing images on 160m. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Ed Stallman Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:54 PM To: flexe...@flex-radio.biz Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] 160m preamp ? I have just installed a receive only 4 sq and have been testing it for a little over a week , It works very well on 80 / 160m. I find the receive only antenna to be very quiet -130DBM and even with no S meter readings I have crisp clear tone's to listen to ... I have also discovered that I can now use the Preamp on 80m , in my case it made a heck of a difference. Now when on 160m and I hear a signal in the noise, I can only wonder if it would help if I could turn the Preamp on. Is it possible to have the Preamp work on 160? I know I can buy one, thought I would ask before buying Ed N5DG ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P
I am not saying they don't, im asking does the rig have an auto shutoff if it reaches critical temperature -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jerry Flanders Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:04 AM To: Anthony Martin; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P Read up on temperature ratings of modern electronic components. They can routinely run at temps that would burn your skin, IIRC. Jerry W4UK At 05:40 PM 1/10/2010, Anthony Martin wrote: >Yes but you must take into consideration room temperatures and such as >contributing factors. >I mean is there a thermal cutoff? If a fan fails, (other than hearing it) >will it tell me? > >I'd like to see some more diagnostic and system tests so you can re-assure >yourself every so often that everythings A1+ > > > >-Original Message- >From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz >[mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Ray J >Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:37 AM >To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P > >there should be no reason for the radio to cook at all.. it should be >full of factory protections. > previous posts stated flex tests key down for hours.. > >Anthony M wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > I just had the wierdest thing happen, (Flex 3000 on release 1.18.3) > > Fired up the software as normal and got a plethora of errors & > > warnings.. Then I got a box saying I need to press > > Ctrl+Shft+P to get into the production settings. > > > > I played along did all the recalibration (every test there) and it > > passed fine.. Then fired up pSDR and it was fine.. > > Weird?? > > > > Also for the upcoming releases of powersdr can we please have the > > Ctrl+shift+I (temperature monitor) on the primary screen at all times > > Its kind of important if you don't want a cooked radio!! > > > > 73 > > Anthony > > vk3laj > > > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > Message delivered to r...@w9ray.org > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.132/2611 - Release Date: >01/10/10 01:35:00 > > > >___ >FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >http://www.flex-radio.com/ >Message delivered to anth...@consultexcel.com.au > > >___ >FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >http://www.flex-radio.com/ >Message delivered to jefland...@comcast.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to anth...@consultexcel.com.au ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Re: Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur????
WB6RQN wrote: > The end result? One guy, with one station, at the flick of one switch, now works every station automatically, some (many?) of them simultaneously. With the ability to scan and monitor other bands the software can determine changing propagation conditions and switch bands, continuing the process. > I know, this sounds like science fiction but it is possible to do this today with the Flex radios. No, the existing PowerSDR will not allow this but I suspect that the next gen software, if it is sufficiently modular, will permit someone to build just such a fully-automatic contest station. All it will take is a bit of time, money, and willingness to get the job done. Not science fiction at all. Once you remove the need for decoding by humans, everything else already exists. Turn on your computer, leave on a one year cruise, and see how many contests and new DXCC countries you have "worked" when you return. The real question is "Does that really excite you?" Not at all for me...in fact it sounds totally boring. My fun in radio is the operating. Remove that and I'll take up photography or sail around the world. This is precisely the reason CW Skimmer (or equivalent) puts one in a different class in contests today. Contests are meant to be between humans, not computers. Perhaps another analogy is chess. Is the goal to see who has the best computer and software or who has the best unassisted brain? To each his own, but a fully-automatic contest station sounds totally boring to me. 73, Bill W4ZV ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P
Read up on temperature ratings of modern electronic components. They can routinely run at temps that would burn your skin, IIRC. Jerry W4UK At 05:40 PM 1/10/2010, Anthony Martin wrote: Yes but you must take into consideration room temperatures and such as contributing factors. I mean is there a thermal cutoff? If a fan fails, (other than hearing it) will it tell me? I'd like to see some more diagnostic and system tests so you can re-assure yourself every so often that everythings A1+ -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Ray J Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:37 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P there should be no reason for the radio to cook at all.. it should be full of factory protections. previous posts stated flex tests key down for hours.. Anthony M wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I just had the wierdest thing happen, (Flex 3000 on release 1.18.3) > Fired up the software as normal and got a plethora of errors & > warnings.. Then I got a box saying I need to press > Ctrl+Shft+P to get into the production settings. > > I played along did all the recalibration (every test there) and it > passed fine.. Then fired up pSDR and it was fine.. > Weird?? > > Also for the upcoming releases of powersdr can we please have the > Ctrl+shift+I (temperature monitor) on the primary screen at all times > Its kind of important if you don't want a cooked radio!! > > 73 > Anthony > vk3laj > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to r...@w9ray.org > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.132/2611 - Release Date: 01/10/10 01:35:00 > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to anth...@consultexcel.com.au ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to jefland...@comcast.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P
Yes but you must take into consideration room temperatures and such as contributing factors. I mean is there a thermal cutoff? If a fan fails, (other than hearing it) will it tell me? I'd like to see some more diagnostic and system tests so you can re-assure yourself every so often that everythings A1+ -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Ray J Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:37 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P there should be no reason for the radio to cook at all.. it should be full of factory protections. previous posts stated flex tests key down for hours.. Anthony M wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I just had the wierdest thing happen, (Flex 3000 on release 1.18.3) > Fired up the software as normal and got a plethora of errors & > warnings.. Then I got a box saying I need to press > Ctrl+Shft+P to get into the production settings. > > I played along did all the recalibration (every test there) and it > passed fine.. Then fired up pSDR and it was fine.. > Weird?? > > Also for the upcoming releases of powersdr can we please have the > Ctrl+shift+I (temperature monitor) on the primary screen at all times > Its kind of important if you don't want a cooked radio!! > > 73 > Anthony > vk3laj > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to r...@w9ray.org > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.132/2611 - Release Date: 01/10/10 01:35:00 > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to anth...@consultexcel.com.au ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] Wanted SDR1000
I am looking for a SDR1000 that I can use at 2 meters to interface with a 10GHz XVTR. 73,Ken,W6GHV ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] 160m preamp ?
I have just installed a receive only 4 sq and have been testing it for a little over a week , It works very well on 80 / 160m. I find the receive only antenna to be very quiet -130DBM and even with no S meter readings I have crisp clear tone's to listen to ... I have also discovered that I can now use the Preamp on 80m , in my case it made a heck of a difference. Now when on 160m and I hear a signal in the noise, I can only wonder if it would help if I could turn the Preamp on. Is it possible to have the Preamp work on 160? I know I can buy one, thought I would ask before buying Ed N5DG ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P
there should be no reason for the radio to cook at all.. it should be full of factory protections. previous posts stated flex tests key down for hours.. Anthony M wrote: Hi Guys, I just had the wierdest thing happen, (Flex 3000 on release 1.18.3) Fired up the software as normal and got a plethora of errors & warnings.. Then I got a box saying I need to press Ctrl+Shft+P to get into the production settings. I played along did all the recalibration (every test there) and it passed fine.. Then fired up pSDR and it was fine.. Weird?? Also for the upcoming releases of powersdr can we please have the Ctrl+shift+I (temperature monitor) on the primary screen at all times Its kind of important if you don't want a cooked radio!! 73 Anthony vk3laj ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r...@w9ray.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.132/2611 - Release Date: 01/10/10 01:35:00 ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P
WinXP X32 with SP3 and 4gb ram Dual core Intel 3.2 -- From: "Anthony M" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:31 AM To: Subject: [Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P Hi Guys, I just had the wierdest thing happen, (Flex 3000 on release 1.18.3) Fired up the software as normal and got a plethora of errors & warnings.. Then I got a box saying I need to press Ctrl+Shft+P to get into the production settings. I played along did all the recalibration (every test there) and it passed fine.. Then fired up pSDR and it was fine.. Weird?? Also for the upcoming releases of powersdr can we please have the Ctrl+shift+I (temperature monitor) on the primary screen at all times Its kind of important if you don't want a cooked radio!! 73 Anthony vk3laj ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to anth...@consultexcel.com.au ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] Ctrl+Shift+P
Hi Guys, I just had the wierdest thing happen, (Flex 3000 on release 1.18.3) Fired up the software as normal and got a plethora of errors & warnings.. Then I got a box saying I need to press Ctrl+Shft+P to get into the production settings. I played along did all the recalibration (every test there) and it passed fine.. Then fired up pSDR and it was fine.. Weird?? Also for the upcoming releases of powersdr can we please have the Ctrl+shift+I (temperature monitor) on the primary screen at all times Its kind of important if you don't want a cooked radio!! 73 Anthony vk3laj ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program
well i clear all file from psdr reload the psdr form flex page look the same it look like something is missing since it is working ok with my lap top xp ni issue . so if any one had an info what it is ? E.P --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Erik Jakobsen wrote: From: Erik Jakobsen Subject: Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 18:22 If you just delete the database file, it is as you have made a new PSDR install, and a new database file will be made at next start up of PSDR 73s-Erik-OZ4KK > so how can i do a clean copy of the power sdr please when i need to delet the > database ? > any one can tell me please . > > > E.P > > --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Tim Ellison wrote: > > > From: Tim Ellison > Subject: RE: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program > To: "elan paim", > "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" > Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 18:00 > > > Because deleting PowerSDR does not delete the application folder or the > database. > > > > -Tim > > -Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of elan paim > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:44 PM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program > > hello > i am having a problem today after i stop see the TX meter gone to 0 but power > master show the power OK as well the the spectrum . then i connect to my xp > machine , all working ok there with the new fire wire . then done date reset > and i mistake delete the file to send it back , so now i see as well 0 power > on power master and the psdr as it was , i gone back to the other computer xp > all ok . so i reinstall on the vista 32 fire wire and psdr reinstall the new > fire wire and the psdr and i done firmware up date as well the same problem i > can rx ok but no tx on the vista it was working till today no issue at all . > how come the psdr still remember my last setting after i delet all the > program .>? > > > E.P > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to e...@urbakken.dk > > -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards. Erik Jakobsen OZ4KK e...@urbakken.dk ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to paimg0...@btinternet.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] Preamp vs AGC-T?
Hello All, I'm wondering what is the relationship between the AGC-T setting and the pre amp setting? For instance, is changing the preamp from "off" to "Pre1" doing the same thing as raising the AGC-T setting some set amount? What is the recommendation for improving copy of a weak signal? Is it to turn up the Pre amp setting, or too turn up AGC-T? >From input from the list here I have gotten very wary of ever turning up the AGC-T setting past 70 or 75 - maybe that's just an unfounded fear - LOL! I've notice that changing the preamp setting does not change the levels I see on the panadapter, and I think I understand from this list that that is proper behavior because the panadapter is showing the absolute input level of the signals before any preamp gain. Best regards, Michael Jones W0STB ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] [FlexEdge] [FlexRadio] Re: Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur????
Just commenting toward your first statement: Maybe you should buy one and use it first and then you will !!! Its that simple!!! On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:34 AM, lazysenior wrote: Somehow I just aint't getting it? The Facts as I know them: 1. The spur Problem was brought to Flex's attention a year ago. 2. In Oct 09 Gerald puts out a statement that in my opinion trys to make light of the problem but promising a fix. 3. After ordering a Flex 5000 I am warned by 2 respected 160 mtr Gods (W4ZV and W8JI - check out their credentials on the net) that the Flex will cause me grief is I use it on 160 mtr CW with an amplifier. 4. Jan 2010, Problem still exists. Somehow, I can not help but think "something" is very wrong if the President of the ARRL stops using a Flex 5000 because of spurs on MANY bands including 160, 80, and 30. And remember you can ONLY run 200 watts on 30 mtrs. He isn't the only well known ham who is not using a Flex any more. Several other contesters have put the Flex 5000 away. We all love a conspiracy. Actually, I am glad this came up. It prompted me to actually test my Flex 5000. I learned something and I even got to give myself a dope-slap up-side the head. I have been using the classical superhet radio for so long that I keep forgetting that the Flex is not a superhet, especially on transmit where it makes a much bigger difference. When I was trying to understand the results of my testing yesterday using RX2 to monitor the spectrum of the F5K's transmitter (what other radio can do that!) I kept scratching my head as to why the spurs were so prominent outside the transmitter's passband. Why the filter should have removed them! Then it hit me this morning: NO IT SHOULD NOT! Why? Because there IS NO FILTER after the D:A conversion. This is an I/Q transceiver, basically two direct conversion radios that use cancellation rather than filters to eliminate images and artifacts! Any artifacts left in the I/Q digital stream will appear at the transmitter's output. What this means is that, while supremely FLEXible (sorry, I couldn't resist), the Flex transmitter is unlikely to have the out-of-passband spectral purity of a classical Collins transceiver. But it also isn't limited to what can be accomplished with that fixed-passband crystal or mechanical filter either. (BTW, the K3 is a superb modern execution of the KWM2, perhaps the best ever. It impresses the hell out of me.) So where does that leave us? It leaves us comparing apples to oranges. If your goal is to run high-powered CW DX on 160m, I am willing to bet that the K3 may be the ultimate evolution for that type of operation. OTOH, if your goal is to have the radio that will do more interesting and different things, especially in the future, the Flex 5000 is currently the only game in town. (But I think that, even today, the Flex 5000's receiver is superior to the K3 since it achieves its performance without having to rely on crystal filters. But I digress.) I have been thinking about this for a bit and now I want to lay out a scenario that is probably going to scare the s... heck out of you contesters, a scenario that the SDR radios from Flex and those that follow in their footsteps are going to make possible, a future that is unreachable using the traditional Collins KWM2-like transceivers that most hams have today. The real hint is the CW skimmer and, to a lesser extent, the PSK monitor functions. Virtually everything we do in ham radio has been based on the, "one radio, one signal," concept. That is going to change. CW skimmer makes it possible to decode all the CW signals in a passband thus giving the CW contest op a huge advantage. But that op is still limited by his own ability to respond to one signal at a time. Also, this capability is limited to only one transmission on one frequency at a time. But here is the endpoint of all this, the thing that is going to change (and probably kill) ham radio contesting. First off, it requires the logical endpoint of CW skimmer. Why stop with CW and PSK? Why not just decode every single digital mode on all the bands at the same time? The only thing preventing us from doing that is processing power. No readily-available computer has the power to do that. But many readily-available computers do. Let's take our Flex 5000 and forward the I/Q stream over a local digital bus (gigabit ethernet would be my choice right now) to a bank of cooperating machines. Each machine uses its power to decode as many signals as it can. With enough machines you can decode everything. We can even make it smart enough to recognize the various modes and autoselect/autodecode. No operator intervention required. Now you have decoded all the signals that you can hear. Next thing is to pipe all the decoded streams to the QSO processing machine. This machine now decodes the QSO and generates the proper response, i.e. the standard exchange. Given how simple most exch
Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program
Delete the application folder. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of elan paim Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:09 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program so how can i do a clean copy of the power sdr please when i need to delet the database ? any one can tell me please . E.P --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Tim Ellison wrote: From: Tim Ellison Subject: RE: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program To: "elan paim" , "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 18:00 Because deleting PowerSDR does not delete the application folder or the database. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of elan paim Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:44 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program hello i am having a problem today after i stop see the TX meter gone to 0 but power master show the power OK as well the the spectrum . then i connect to my xp machine , all working ok there with the new fire wire . then done date reset and i mistake delete the file to send it back , so now i see as well 0 power on power master and the psdr as it was , i gone back to the other computer xp all ok . so i reinstall on the vista 32 fire wire and psdr reinstall the new fire wire and the psdr and i done firmware up date as well the same problem i can rx ok but no tx on the vista it was working till today no issue at all . how come the psdr still remember my last setting after i delet all the program .>? E.P ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program
i done more test cw working ok so just ssb will not work any help any one please sorry for many e-mail E.P --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Tim Ellison wrote: From: Tim Ellison Subject: RE: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program To: "elan paim" , "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 18:00 Because deleting PowerSDR does not delete the application folder or the database. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of elan paim Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:44 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program hello i am having a problem today after i stop see the TX meter gone to 0 but power master show the power OK as well the the spectrum . then i connect to my xp machine , all working ok there with the new fire wire . then done date reset and i mistake delete the file to send it back , so now i see as well 0 power on power master and the psdr as it was , i gone back to the other computer xp all ok . so i reinstall on the vista 32 fire wire and psdr reinstall the new fire wire and the psdr and i done firmware up date as well the same problem i can rx ok but no tx on the vista it was working till today no issue at all . how come the psdr still remember my last setting after i delet all the program .>? E.P ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program
hi Erik OK but i still see on TX all 0 power as well on the power master my other computer working OK ,but what i am doing wrong then ? elan g0uut E.P --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Erik Jakobsen wrote: From: Erik Jakobsen Subject: Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 18:22 If you just delete the database file, it is as you have made a new PSDR install, and a new database file will be made at next start up of PSDR 73s-Erik-OZ4KK > so how can i do a clean copy of the power sdr please when i need to delet the > database ? > any one can tell me please . > > > E.P > > --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Tim Ellison wrote: > > > From: Tim Ellison > Subject: RE: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program > To: "elan paim", > "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" > Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 18:00 > > > Because deleting PowerSDR does not delete the application folder or the > database. > > > > -Tim > > -Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of elan paim > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:44 PM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program > > hello > i am having a problem today after i stop see the TX meter gone to 0 but power > master show the power OK as well the the spectrum . then i connect to my xp > machine , all working ok there with the new fire wire . then done date reset > and i mistake delete the file to send it back , so now i see as well 0 power > on power master and the psdr as it was , i gone back to the other computer xp > all ok . so i reinstall on the vista 32 fire wire and psdr reinstall the new > fire wire and the psdr and i done firmware up date as well the same problem i > can rx ok but no tx on the vista it was working till today no issue at all . > how come the psdr still remember my last setting after i delet all the > program .>? > > > E.P > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to e...@urbakken.dk > > -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards. Erik Jakobsen OZ4KK e...@urbakken.dk ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to paimg0...@btinternet.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program
If you just delete the database file, it is as you have made a new PSDR install, and a new database file will be made at next start up of PSDR 73s-Erik-OZ4KK so how can i do a clean copy of the power sdr please when i need to delet the database ? any one can tell me please . E.P --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Tim Ellison wrote: From: Tim Ellison Subject: RE: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program To: "elan paim", "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 18:00 Because deleting PowerSDR does not delete the application folder or the database. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of elan paim Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:44 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program hello i am having a problem today after i stop see the TX meter gone to 0 but power master show the power OK as well the the spectrum . then i connect to my xp machine , all working ok there with the new fire wire . then done date reset and i mistake delete the file to send it back , so now i see as well 0 power on power master and the psdr as it was , i gone back to the other computer xp all ok . so i reinstall on the vista 32 fire wire and psdr reinstall the new fire wire and the psdr and i done firmware up date as well the same problem i can rx ok but no tx on the vista it was working till today no issue at all . how come the psdr still remember my last setting after i delet all the program .>? E.P ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to e...@urbakken.dk -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards. Erik Jakobsen OZ4KK e...@urbakken.dk ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program
so how can i do a clean copy of the power sdr please when i need to delet the database ? any one can tell me please . E.P --- On Sun, 10/1/10, Tim Ellison wrote: From: Tim Ellison Subject: RE: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program To: "elan paim" , "flexradio@flex-radio.biz" Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 18:00 Because deleting PowerSDR does not delete the application folder or the database. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of elan paim Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:44 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program hello i am having a problem today after i stop see the TX meter gone to 0 but power master show the power OK as well the the spectrum . then i connect to my xp machine , all working ok there with the new fire wire . then done date reset and i mistake delete the file to send it back , so now i see as well 0 power on power master and the psdr as it was , i gone back to the other computer xp all ok . so i reinstall on the vista 32 fire wire and psdr reinstall the new fire wire and the psdr and i done firmware up date as well the same problem i can rx ok but no tx on the vista it was working till today no issue at all . how come the psdr still remember my last setting after i delet all the program .>? E.P ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program
Because deleting PowerSDR does not delete the application folder or the database. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of elan paim Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:44 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program hello i am having a problem today after i stop see the TX meter gone to 0 but power master show the power OK as well the the spectrum . then i connect to my xp machine , all working ok there with the new fire wire . then done date reset and i mistake delete the file to send it back , so now i see as well 0 power on power master and the psdr as it was , i gone back to the other computer xp all ok . so i reinstall on the vista 32 fire wire and psdr reinstall the new fire wire and the psdr and i done firmware up date as well the same problem i can rx ok but no tx on the vista it was working till today no issue at all . how come the psdr still remember my last setting after i delet all the program .>? E.P ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] Fw: flex 5000 problem with program
one more thing is i done reset database and then i think i lost the clean file to import it back to the database , but i do not know if this is the problem E.P --- On Sun, 10/1/10, elan paim wrote: From: elan paim Subject: flex 5000 problem with program To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 17:43 hello i am having a problem today after i stop see the TX meter gone to 0 but power master show the power OK as well the the spectrum . then i connect to my xp machine , all working ok there with the new fire wire . then done date reset and i mistake delete the file to send it back , so now i see as well 0 power on power master and the psdr as it was , i gone back to the other computer xp all ok . so i reinstall on the vista 32 fire wire and psdr reinstall the new fire wire and the psdr and i done firmware up date as well the same problem i can rx ok but no tx on the vista it was working till today no issue at all . how come the psdr still remember my last setting after i delet all the program .>? E.P ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] flex 5000 problem with program
hello i am having a problem today after i stop see the TX meter gone to 0 but power master show the power OK as well the the spectrum . then i connect to my xp machine , all working ok there with the new fire wire . then done date reset and i mistake delete the file to send it back , so now i see as well 0 power on power master and the psdr as it was , i gone back to the other computer xp all ok . so i reinstall on the vista 32 fire wire and psdr reinstall the new fire wire and the psdr and i done firmware up date as well the same problem i can rx ok but no tx on the vista it was working till today no issue at all . how come the psdr still remember my last setting after i delet all the program .>? E.P ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur????
OTOH, after discovering that I was relying almost totally on the the CAT-connected PowerSDR panadaptor interface (from WU2X) to tune my pair of K3s in RTTY contesting, I sold the K3s and now run a dual-rx 5000a and an old SDR1000. But for CW contesting the K3 is probably the best rig ever. The 5000a is promised to be a full-duplex CW rig, but I still don't have my 5000a working in full duplex and have not yet experienced high-speed QSK with it. The K3 will let you hear other signals on the band between dits even at 50WPM! Jerry W4UK At 08:49 AM 1/10/2010, Bill Tippett quoted W5GD, who wrote: We also tried a Flex 5000 in a 3rd RX position. It has terrific dynamic range, rivaling the K3, but the user interface for contesting is not quite ready for 'prime time.' http://lists.contesting.com/pipermail/3830/2009-December/188528.html 73, Bill ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Re: Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur????
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:34 AM, lazysenior wrote: > Somehow I just aint't getting it? > The Facts as I know them: > > 1. The spur Problem was brought to Flex's attention a year ago. > > 2. In Oct 09 Gerald puts out a statement that in my opinion trys to make > light of the problem but promising a fix. > > 3. After ordering a Flex 5000 I am warned by 2 respected 160 mtr Gods (W4ZV > and W8JI - check out their credentials on the net) that the Flex will cause > me grief is I use it on 160 mtr CW with an amplifier. > > 4. Jan 2010, Problem still exists. > > Somehow, I can not help but think "something" is very wrong if the > President of the ARRL stops using a Flex 5000 because of spurs on MANY bands > including 160, 80, and 30. And remember you can ONLY run 200 watts on 30 > mtrs. He isn't the only well known ham who is not using a Flex any more. > Several other contesters have put the Flex 5000 away. > We all love a conspiracy. Actually, I am glad this came up. It prompted me to actually test my Flex 5000. I learned something and I even got to give myself a dope-slap up-side the head. I have been using the classical superhet radio for so long that I keep forgetting that the Flex is not a superhet, especially on transmit where it makes a much bigger difference. When I was trying to understand the results of my testing yesterday using RX2 to monitor the spectrum of the F5K's transmitter (what other radio can do that!) I kept scratching my head as to why the spurs were so prominent outside the transmitter's passband. Why the filter should have removed them! Then it hit me this morning: NO IT SHOULD NOT! Why? Because there IS NO FILTER after the D:A conversion. This is an I/Q transceiver, basically two direct conversion radios that use cancellation rather than filters to eliminate images and artifacts! Any artifacts left in the I/Q digital stream will appear at the transmitter's output. What this means is that, while supremely FLEXible (sorry, I couldn't resist), the Flex transmitter is unlikely to have the out-of-passband spectral purity of a classical Collins transceiver. But it also isn't limited to what can be accomplished with that fixed-passband crystal or mechanical filter either. (BTW, the K3 is a superb modern execution of the KWM2, perhaps the best ever. It impresses the hell out of me.) So where does that leave us? It leaves us comparing apples to oranges. If your goal is to run high-powered CW DX on 160m, I am willing to bet that the K3 may be the ultimate evolution for that type of operation. OTOH, if your goal is to have the radio that will do more interesting and different things, especially in the future, the Flex 5000 is currently the only game in town. (But I think that, even today, the Flex 5000's receiver is superior to the K3 since it achieves its performance without having to rely on crystal filters. But I digress.) I have been thinking about this for a bit and now I want to lay out a scenario that is probably going to scare the s... heck out of you contesters, a scenario that the SDR radios from Flex and those that follow in their footsteps are going to make possible, a future that is unreachable using the traditional Collins KWM2-like transceivers that most hams have today. The real hint is the CW skimmer and, to a lesser extent, the PSK monitor functions. Virtually everything we do in ham radio has been based on the, "one radio, one signal," concept. That is going to change. CW skimmer makes it possible to decode all the CW signals in a passband thus giving the CW contest op a huge advantage. But that op is still limited by his own ability to respond to one signal at a time. Also, this capability is limited to only one transmission on one frequency at a time. But here is the endpoint of all this, the thing that is going to change (and probably kill) ham radio contesting. First off, it requires the logical endpoint of CW skimmer. Why stop with CW and PSK? Why not just decode every single digital mode on all the bands at the same time? The only thing preventing us from doing that is processing power. No readily-available computer has the power to do that. But many readily-available computers do. Let's take our Flex 5000 and forward the I/Q stream over a local digital bus (gigabit ethernet would be my choice right now) to a bank of cooperating machines. Each machine uses its power to decode as many signals as it can. With enough machines you can decode everything. We can even make it smart enough to recognize the various modes and autoselect/autodecode. No operator intervention required. Now you have decoded all the signals that you can hear. Next thing is to pipe all the decoded streams to the QSO processing machine. This machine now decodes the QSO and generates the proper response, i.e. the standard exchange. Given how simple most exchanges are, this doesn't require a lot of processing power. Pattern match the call, do the dupe checking, and if you need that station, generate
Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur????
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Bob McGwier wrote: > Bill: > > While not making light of the problem, which we are addressing in > software, your calculation of -65 dbc producing -95 dBm signal is, best > case, pure BS. W5ZN was recipient of the fix in software and it worked. > The actual received signal of course depends on antenna patterns, > propagation and so many more factors that my analysis is kind. > No Bob...it's not BS. I was the one who heard W5ZN and I recall his spur was S5-6 here...so strong I thought he was calling TX3A simplex until I found his fundamental. > > The flex3000 TX does not have the problem. The flex5000 is completely > legal even if a social problem for huge signal bands like 160 and the > problem is mitigated in software. A hardware fix would be 1/3 the cost of > the radio. This is as opposed to that bastion of social responsibility, > Yaesu, which gave is key clicks for a decade rather than a 50 redesign. > > It is an unacceptable condition for 160, it is easily fixed in software, > and the issue we are dealing with is automatic calibration and storage in > database for recall. > This is GOOD NEWS...I knew Flex would respond. > > > I promise completed fix in under a month. I hate it won't be ready for CQ > 160, where the flex at w2gd has proven the best receiver in the shack, > working so much better close to the station transmitters (opposed to k3 > which was not usable within 50 kHz even with the socalled great roofing > filters). I hate the way PowerSDR ruins the run station workflow. > Just for the record, here are W2GD's verbatim comments: The other big change was replacing the ICOM xcvers with K3s equipped with the 2nd receiver and offering diversity reception. This was probably the single most important factor in our score increase over prior years. The K3 is everything it is reported to be, signals seemed to pop out of the noise. Fully 30 percent of the EU stations worked were not audible on a slave Icom xcvr using the phased EU beverages. We also tried a Flex 5000 in a 3rd RX position. It has terrific dynamic range, rivaling the K3, but the user interface for contesting is not quite ready for 'prime time.' http://lists.contesting.com/pipermail/3830/2009-December/188528.html 73, Bill ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur????
This is what I have been hoping to hear. Stan K9IUQ Bob McGwier wrote: It is an unacceptable condition for 160, it is easily fixed in software, and the issue we are dealing with is automatic calibration and storage in database for recall. I promise completed fix in under a month. I hate it won't be ready for CQ 160, where the flex at w2gd has proven the best receiver in the shack, working so much better close to the station transmitters (opposed to k3 which was not usable within 50 kHz even with the socalled great roofing filters). I hate the way PowerSDR ruins the run station workflow. One half of this will be fixed soon (spur) 73s N4HY ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur????
Bill: While not making light of the problem, which we are addressing in software, your calculation of -65 dbc producing -95 dBm signal is, best case, pure BS. W5ZN was recipient of the fix in software and it worked. The actual received signal of course depends on antenna patterns, propagation and so many more factors that my analysis is kind. The flex3000 TX does not have the problem. The flex5000 is completely legal even if a social problem for huge signal bands like 160 and the problem is mitigated in software. A hardware fix would be 1/3 the cost of the radio. This is as opposed to that bastion of social responsibility, Yaesu, which gave is key clicks for a decade rather than a 50 redesign. It is an unacceptable condition for 160, it is easily fixed in software, and the issue we are dealing with is automatic calibration and storage in database for recall. I promise completed fix in under a month. I hate it won't be ready for CQ 160, where the flex at w2gd has proven the best receiver in the shack, working so much better close to the station transmitters (opposed to k3 which was not usable within 50 kHz even with the socalled great roofing filters). I hate the way PowerSDR ruins the run station workflow. One half of this will be fixed soon (spur) 73s N4HY Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bill Tippett Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:25:13 To: Subject: Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur WB6RQN: >I then put the transmitter into tune and turned the output up to 100W. In this case I see products 600Hz, 1800Hz, and 2400Hz below the fundamental. These products are +/- 1dB at 65dB below the carrier. Also see these products above the carrier within the TX passband about 2dB higher, i.e. -63dB relative to the carrier. Brian if your 2.4 kHz spur is 65 dB down on 160 that's a "good one"! Joel W5ZN measured his at -58 dB down and reported it here in mid-October: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio@flex-radio.biz/msg32144.html Even 65 dB down can be a problem if you're running an amp on 160. Here are some real world measurements of signals on by W8JI: http://w8ji.com/receiving.htm Noise Floor and signal Levels at my location: My local wintertime 350Hz BW noise (after amplifier) compared to a sample of signals on one night was: Noise -127dBm 9H1BM -122dBm OM0WR -95dBm DF2PY -88dBm WA8OLN -78dBm W3GH -60dBm W4ZV -32dBm If I transmitted a -65 dB spur, that would still result in a -97 dBm signal which would cover many weak DX signals. Joel's spur was so strong when I heard it that I first thought he was calling TX3A simplex instead of split. This is a real problem...not a theoretical one. As Joel explained in his post above, transmitting spurs on top of DX stations will not win you many friends on 160! Although N4HY has written a software patch for this problem, it must be run each time you change bands. This is impractical for folks who need to change bands rapidly (as in a contest or chasing expeditions). I do hope Flex will fix this problem. Yaesu made the mistake of stone-walling their FT-1000 click problems for 15 years before finally fixing the problem in production. I know Flex can do better than that. 73, Bill W4ZV ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to rwmcgw...@gmail.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Re: Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur????
stan i think it depends on how efficient your tx ant is on 160, fwiw and i dont own one. f3k hr. when W5ZN is transmitting, i can BARELY hear his 'spurr'. and he is LOUD on 160m at my qth the new version of powerSDR is supposed to fix it, also, if you have read all the notes on the topic. if you get the f5k, and get the schematics, i think you'll be impressed howsophisticated the r.f. filtering is. I certainly am with the f3k. 73, w5xz, dan --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Lazy Senior wrote: From: Lazy Senior Subject: Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Re: Flex 5000 has a 2.4 Khz Spur To: flexRadio@flex-radio.biz Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:04 PM Mike's JdJ wrote: > > Stan, if you are so concerned about this, perhaps you should cancel your Flex > 5000 order. Then you will have peace of mind. > > > l Somehow I knew I would get an answer like this. I will have peace of mind when/if I get the truth on the progress of this problem. I do not give up on a radio just because some hams bash it. I also do not necessarily believe everything I read on eham.net. Long ham experience has told me the greatest radio in the world is ALWAYS the one you own.. Stan K9IUQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to w...@att.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
