Re: [Flexradio] SDR Overkill ?
Or get a Mac. My 2001 QuickSilver runs OS 10.5 (the last non-Intel OS) without a hitch and perceived performance is photo-intensive apps is as fast as my 27" dual-core iMac. Rudy N2WQ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: Neal Campbell Sender: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:35:44 To: Cc: flex list Subject: Re: [Flexradio] SDR Overkill ? Thats great! Unfortunately my opinion of Dell is now that its an insult to doors to do that! 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Simon HB9DRV wrote: > I still use a $10k Dell PentiumPro II machine I bought in 1998... > > > . > . > . > > > ...as a doorstop. > > Simon Brown, HB9DRV > http://sdr-radio.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex- > > radio.biz] On Behalf Of Drax Felton > > > > In 5 years it'll be junk regardless. Overkill today is an investment > > for 6 > > years. :-) > > > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Results from Big Box store quad cores
Neal, I have been lurking on various ham reflectors for a long time and have observed as a general theme that most hams need help with their computers. I don't believe in the assumption that they understand the risk. Case in point- I have never ever seen a single post on the N1MM group questioning why the logger needs to run as Admin. Ever. Hams just take it for granted and don't question it. In a private exchange of emails with one of the developers, I was told that it is too much hassle for them to do it right. Similarly, even on this reflector, when hams have a problem with old device drivers under Windows 7 the answer is to just run as Admin and run in legacy mode. Developers don't want to be bothered with having their drivers signed as there is no demand from the ham community. Again, I attribute this to general lack of risk awareness. Back to observing mode :-) Rudy N2WQ --- On Sat, 4/10/10, Neal Campbell wrote: From: Neal Campbell Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Results from Big Box store quad cores To: "Rudy Bakalov" Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:00 PM Rudy, When a simple firewall consumer device from XYWall can protect you against mime, outgoing, incoming, specific websites, etc. I just don't see the issue. Your advice is good in the sense it is belts and suspenders and a coat so you are covered. But when the added products cause side effects, you have to balance the value of risk versus reward. I think a lot of us are aware of this and choose with some idea what we are doing. But for general consumption, your advice is hard to beat. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Rudy Bakalov wrote: Neither hardware based firewalls nor Windows built-in firewall are enough to protect the typical WIndows machine. Today's attacks are mostly browser-based (e.g., Flash, Java Script, QuickTime, etc.) or aimed at the application (e.g., Adobe Acrobat Reader). To make things worse, ham developers tend to take a lot of nasty shortcuts when developing their software and as a results ham software requires admin rights to run properly. The bottom line is that running Windows without a host-based end-point security (firewall + virus + anti-malware) as Admin is foolish and a recipe for disaster. Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Results from Big Box store quad cores
Neither hardware based firewalls nor Windows built-in firewall are enough to protect the typical WIndows machine. Today's attacks are mostly browser-based (e.g., Flash, Java Script, QuickTime, etc.) or aimed at the application (e.g., Adobe Acrobat Reader). To make things worse, ham developers tend to take a lot of nasty shortcuts when developing their software and as a results ham software requires admin rights to run properly. The bottom line is that running Windows without a host-based end-point security (firewall + virus + anti-malware) as Admin is foolish and a recipe for disaster. Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Voice Shaper 0.93 beta
I think we are on the same page here- integration does not mean distribution; building hooks is all that is needed. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: Bob McGwier Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:46:09 To: Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Voice Shaper 0.93 beta Because it is not an open source product and even if it was we would really be in trouble if the license granted by Alex was not consistent with the GPL. What Alex is proposing and it is a proposal I wholeheartedly agree with is providing the hooks to integrate it since we want to do that generically and enable such a thing as a matter of course by giving ourselves a description of the functionality of the add in and where its sink and source need to go. We benefit from the outside work, work we have no time to do ourselves, and everyone benefits that wishes to use his fantastic work. I think probably this discussion is better held in Flex Edge since it is about nonexistent (so pre-alpha ;-) software. Bob On 2/4/2010 12:40 PM, Rudy Bakalov wrote: > Lesson learned from Apple and Microsoft is to release smaller, but more > frequent updates to their products. If VoiceShaper is a Windows-only product, > why not consider integrating it into the existing version of PowerSDR rather > than wait for the yet-to-be-delivered v2.0? This would be a good way to keep > the excitement around the F5L platform and gain some advantage compared to > the competition. > Rudy N2WQ > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Bob McGwier wrote: > > From: Bob McGwier > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Voice Shaper 0.93 beta > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:33 PM > > Alex has his own distribution process/site for the many programs he > sells and/or gives away. > > FLEX cannot distribute it with PowerSDR, but we can and should test for > the presence of this dll and make use of it. We can and will be doing > this a lot in the replacement code coming this year after PowerSDR 2.0 > as a matter of course. This is because of our need to be consistent > with VAC and other non-GPL code. > > I am thinking we should offer several modes built into the GUI with the > dll's that are present everywhere to do exactly that, just as Alex is > mentioning. Then we would have "in radio" digital modes as well as > being able to support other's standalone effort via VAC. > > Bob > > > > On 2/3/2010 7:40 PM, Tim Ellison wrote: >> Is it open source? If not, including it in a PowerSDR distribution is a >> violation of GPL. >> >> >> -Tim >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz >> [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Alex, VE3NEA >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:19 PM >> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz >> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Voice Shaper 0.93 beta >> >> The Voice Shaper engine is available as a DLL (in-process COM server) that >> could be called directly from the PowerSDR code if desired, to process mic >> audio in real time. The engine is available at (http://www.dxatlas.com/dev), >> scroll down to the DSP section. >> >> 73 Alex VE3NEA >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Is there any way to use Voice Shaper with PowerSDR? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The visual configuration seems very interesting... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.dxatlas.com/VShaper/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Edwin Marzan AB2VW >>>> >> >> >> ___ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >> http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> >> ___ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >> http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> > > -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. "the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, bu
Re: [Flexradio] Voice Shaper 0.93 beta
Lesson learned from Apple and Microsoft is to release smaller, but more frequent updates to their products. If VoiceShaper is a Windows-only product, why not consider integrating it into the existing version of PowerSDR rather than wait for the yet-to-be-delivered v2.0? This would be a good way to keep the excitement around the F5L platform and gain some advantage compared to the competition. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Bob McGwier wrote: From: Bob McGwier Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Voice Shaper 0.93 beta To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:33 PM Alex has his own distribution process/site for the many programs he sells and/or gives away. FLEX cannot distribute it with PowerSDR, but we can and should test for the presence of this dll and make use of it. We can and will be doing this a lot in the replacement code coming this year after PowerSDR 2.0 as a matter of course. This is because of our need to be consistent with VAC and other non-GPL code. I am thinking we should offer several modes built into the GUI with the dll's that are present everywhere to do exactly that, just as Alex is mentioning. Then we would have "in radio" digital modes as well as being able to support other's standalone effort via VAC. Bob On 2/3/2010 7:40 PM, Tim Ellison wrote: > Is it open source? If not, including it in a PowerSDR distribution is a > violation of GPL. > > > -Tim > > > -Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz > [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Alex, VE3NEA > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:19 PM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Voice Shaper 0.93 beta > > The Voice Shaper engine is available as a DLL (in-process COM server) that > could be called directly from the PowerSDR code if desired, to process mic > audio in real time. The engine is available at (http://www.dxatlas.com/dev), > scroll down to the DSP section. > > 73 Alex VE3NEA > > > > > >>> Is there any way to use Voice Shaper with PowerSDR? >>> >>> >>> >>> The visual configuration seems very interesting... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.dxatlas.com/VShaper/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Edwin Marzan AB2VW >>> > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. "the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles" Kerouac Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Windows XP SP2 or SP3 ?
There is no debate- run SP3 + all Windows updates. Windows needs to be kept current in order to stay safe from malware and hackers. Also, create a non-admin account and use it for all regular tasks; use admin only for you really need to perform admin tasks. Rudy N2WQ --Original Message-- From: Ruben Navarro Huedo Sender: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Windows XP SP2 or SP3 ? Sent: Jan 16, 2010 1:23 PM Hello friends: My laptop was stolen 2 days ago from my car and i have had to buy another one :-( I am now beginning with it. it is a core 2 duo with enought ram and hard disk. i have 2 partitions. One only for radio and the other one for standard use. What do you think is better for powersdr? sp2 or 3? I will apply firewire patches. Are there more important patches? (only thinking in powersdr) Thank's a lot. -- Rubén Navarro Huedo - EA5BZ http://www.palotes.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting
Nobody so far has talked about timing and delay issues in the case of doing all the antenna and PTT selection by the logger via CAT commands. I hope someone with deeper knowledge of the F5K can answer the following questions: 1) How long does it actually take for the radio to select antenna and PTT lines? The delay may turn out to be much too long to answer someone in a pileup with good timing. 2) Can the F5K accept all CAT commands as one string? The Kenwood CAT protocol uses a 150ms pacing. So, if 2 seperate commands (select ANT and PTT line) are sent before TX there would be at least a 300ms and maybe as much as 450ms delay. The polling runs all the time so depending when the polling occurs, a string of commands before TX could be delayed further. Then you would add the relay hardware delay on top of this. This delay isn't attractive. If the F5K could accept all commands as one string, that would reduce the TX command delay up to 150ms. 3) What would provide the delay between the RF relay switching and RF being applied? Seems that there would be a chance for some relay damage. The N1MM Logger program sends radio commands and never looks for a confirmation. Unless there are ways of addressing the delays listed above, right now I believe the radio needs to take care of itself. That is, switch the relay, PTT, and antenna when the CAT command is received to select VFO A or B; relying on the logger to do all this and do it quickly is likely not feasible. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd wrote: From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: "Rudy Bakalov" Cc: "FlexRadio reflector" Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:44 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Rudy Bakalov wrote: > > Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many > hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. I don't expect most hams to mess with the CAT commands. I do expect that they are the way that an external program can control the basic radio functions. (And even then I am not sure that CAT commands are the right way to do it.) > Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface > that clearly defines the configuration. They are not mutually exclusive. The logical method is to produce a function-specific GUI that then sends appropriate messages to the radio back-end. This presumes that there is a proper control language to allow setting of all functions in the radio back-end. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting
Fair enough. The issue with the logger is the ease of configuration. Many hams are intimidated by messing with CAT commands. Also, there is a much higher risk of an error compared to a visual interface that clearly defines the configuration. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Lloyd wrote: From: Brian Lloyd Subject: [Flexradio] Fwd: More Flex in contesting To: "FlexRadio reflector" Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:00 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Rudy Bakalov wrote: > It appears that the logger can in fact re-program the antenna selection on > the fly using the set of available CAT commands. But this is extremely > inefficient as the logger will have to send all the CAT commands just to turn > the TX on, before even sending the actual contest message. It is much better > to extend the existing PowerSDR software with a SO2R mode where antenna and > relay outputs are per VFO rather than band. What you have described, i.e. sending all the commands to change the antenna settings before initiating the transmit, is both necessary and sufficient to meet all cases, present and future. If your data link is fast there will be no appreciable delay. At 19200 bps a 20 byte command sequence is transmitted in 10.4 ms. If it is running on a virtual serial port where the speed is limited only by the context switching time and processing delay, it would be much faster. The only time it might be an issue is if someone is trying to run full QSK on CW and even then, not too much. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting
Stu, The SPE-1K amp is a good amp, but it also suffers from an underdeveloped approach to SO2R. If you have noticed, in SO2R mode, you are forced to use the SO2R antenna port on RX, instead of the TX port assigned to each input. Even if the SPE-1K firmware changes to address the above limitation, you still need 2 separate PTT lines to trigger a transmission on the appropriate input/band. Which leads us back to the way the Flex selects ports. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Stu Phillips wrote: From: Stu Phillips Subject: RE: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting To: "Rudy Bakalov" , "Flexradio" , "Lee A Crocker" Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:44 AM There is already a way to get the same effect but with one amplifier... I have a SPE-1K amp integrated with my Flex 5000 (with sincere thanks to Steve K5FR for his work on dduti to add the support!) - once the amp is programmed, it is possible to instantly move from one band to another and transmit. The amp takes care of which antenna to use, automatically selects the correct tuner settings, and responds to the PTT - single Flex 5000. When I was considering which amp to buy, I looked at both the SPE and the ACOM 2000 - for me the SPE won over because of 6m support - other's mileage will vary! With this solution, you can configure the amp on one of the antenna ports for the Flex, then use either the RX2 input or a different antenna port for routing the second band receive antenna to RX2. This is simplest with a dedicated antenna for receive on the other band - external switching is needed to support mapping a non-dedicated antenna between the amplifier antenna ports and the RX2 port choice. If band pass filters are used, the external switching is likely already in place. Although I haven't tried SO2R yet, I think the easiest way to deal with the software integration would be to use the VFO A<>B selection - map TX to always follow VFO A - VFO B is used for RX2 on whatever band for listening. When you want to transmit on the other band, flip the VFOs - make the contact and then flip back. Rudy correctly points out the requirements if you are using non-auto tune amplifiers. Hope this helps! Stu K6TU -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:16 AM To: Flexradio; Lee A Crocker Subject: Re: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting Lee, I think your illustration was very helpful. The real issue, however, is not the ability to listen on 2 bands, but the ability to transmit on 2 bands, one after another, with different antennas and amplifiers, without upfront assignment of bands to ports. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Lee A Crocker wrote Perhaps you failed to grasp what I wrote I can most definitely listen to 2 bands at once. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to s...@ridgelift.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting
Lee, I think your illustration was very helpful. The real issue, however, is not the ability to listen on 2 bands, but the ability to transmit on 2 bands, one after another, with different antennas and amplifiers, without upfront assignment of bands to ports. Rudy N2WQ --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Lee A Crocker wrote Perhaps you failed to grasp what I wrote I can most definitely listen to 2 bands at once. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting
Lee, I am not 100% sure if your setup is permanent or requires re-assigning antenna and relay ports as you change bands between the 2 RXs. Let me describe the following set up and see how we can make it work with what we have: Imagine an antenna farm that is switched in the field using a 2 x 10 SO2R antenna switch. There are only 2 coax cables going into the shack and each coax can be connected to any antenna from 160 to 10 m. Each coax goes into its own amplifier, which in turn need its own amp key line. What I want is VFO A to always trigger the first amplifier and VFO B to trigger the second amplifier, regardless of what VFO A's TX frequency and VFO B's TX frequency. And of course I do not want to manually re-assign antenna and relay ports when changing bands on VFO A or B. The important point is that I need to be able to TX on either VFO at any given time. Imagine running on VFO A and S&P-ing on VFO B, on 2 different bands. The logger does all the TX VFO focus switch behind the scenes for me. So, can we do this with what we currently have available to us? It appears that the logger can in fact re-program the antenna selection on the fly using the set of available CAT commands. But this is extremely inefficient as the logger will have to send all the CAT commands just to turn the TX on, before even sending the actual contest message. It is much better to extend the existing PowerSDR software with a SO2R mode where antenna and relay outputs are per VFO rather than band. Rudy N2WQ --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Lee A Crocker wrote: From: Lee A Crocker Subject: Re: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting To: "Flexradio" Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:21 PM I wrote a blog entry on how my station is set up for SO2R like operation. I don't run much contesting but I do run on 2 bands for DXing quite often which is the equivalent It's still a work in progress and there are a few refinements that I would like to see but this article gives a pretty good idea what a stock F5K plus RX2 can do http://w9oy-sdr.blogspot.com/2009/12/so2r.html 73 W9OY ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Antenna switching with Flex-5000
This shows what the Flex can do now, not what we would like it to do for good SO2R support. Rudy N2WQ --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Dudley Hurry wrote: From: Dudley Hurry Subject: [Flexradio] Antenna switching with Flex-5000 To: "FlexRadio reflector" Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:29 PM All the discussion of antenna switching with the Flex 5K and PowerSDR, there is a Knowledge Center article discussing this in block diagram. http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50385.aspx Input is welcome to additional changes that would help doing SO2R . -- 73, Dudley WA5QPZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Antenna switching with Flex-5000
The current functionality does not allow the radio to select an antenna output and amp relay based on VFO focus. As a result, you cannot drive two amps. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: radio...@frontiernet.net Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:15:50 To: Dudley Hurry Cc: FlexRadio reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Antenna switching with Flex-5000 In the Link Dudley just sent looks like figure 5 is SO2R?? So if this is SO2R then what are some of the group asking for and how is it different?? Dennis Petrich Amateur Radio Station K0EOO Lakeville Minnesota USA k0...@arrl.net 952-898-1082 - Original Message - From: "Dudley Hurry" To: "FlexRadio reflector" Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 11:29:40 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Flexradio] Antenna switching with Flex-5000 All the discussion of antenna switching with the Flex 5K and PowerSDR, there is a Knowledge Center article discussing this in block diagram. http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50385.aspx Input is welcome to additional changes that would help doing SO2R . -- 73, Dudley WA5QPZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to radio...@frontiernet.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] More Flex Contesting
Is this with respect to the VAC or jack on the back output? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: Tim Ellison Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:51:09 To: Neal Campbell; r_baka...@yahoo.com Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] More Flex Contesting It is stereo for the source. There is no facilities to output AF from RX1 and RX2 ant the same time in PowerSDR. From what I understand of the DI architecture, this will not be a limitation in the future -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:31 AM To: r_baka...@yahoo.com Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] More Flex Contesting VAC is just a "sound card" so it is inherently stereo. The concern (I think and i haven't checked it) but I don't think the line out of PowerSDR is stereo. Only the speaker/headphone outputs are stereo if I remember correctly. Tim. am I wrong? 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Rudy Bakalov wrote: > Mark, > > Is the VAC output stereo? If so, what do you get in the L and R > channels respectively? If you can get RX1 in one channel and RX2 in > the other, N1MM logger will have no problem feeding the two MMTTY > instances. MMTTY needs only one channel. > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -Original Message- > From: "Mark Whatley" > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:38:36 > To: > Subject: [Flexradio] More Flex Contesting > > The point I was trying to make in my initial post is that there is no > way to get RX1 audio to Demod #1 and RX2 audio to Demod #2 using VAC. > I was thinking about keeping everything "internal" - that is to say > using only my 5000A and computer. No extra wires or sound interfaces. > > > > Actually I wasn't trying to accomplish SO2R. My brain is old and slow > and I have enough trouble working one radio at a time. What I was > trying to do was use N1MM + MMTTY as the main radio interface plus a > second instance of MMTTY that was just listening on RX2 to the same > signal as on RX1 but using a different antenna on RX2. The idea was to > get a little space diversity and hopefully what one RX can't hear the > other can. It did not take long to figure out that there is no way > that I could see to do this. > > > > Dudley's suggestion about hardwiring the second demodulator has at > least one problem I ran across. I got out my DXP38 demodulator and > connected it to the Flex using the line out/line in/PTT jacks. Then I > started an instance of MMTTY running using VAC as the interface. The > idea here was to listen to the same signal on the same antenna with > two demodulators. Sometimes one will be a little better than the other > and might save a contact from being lost. I forget which way it was > but one of the audio outputs dropped too low to use when VAC was > active. There was some interaction between VAC and the line out audio > level. So that approach will not work either. > > > > It looks like the only way to do any of this is to follow Dudley's > suggestion - use the stereo output, split the RX1 audio from the RX2 > audio in PSDR and route the audio channels back into sound cards (or > your DXP38). > Lots of extra wires. > > > > So, in addition to all the other comments about antennas and keying > considerations I would request one more: The ability to connect via > VAC to each of the RX audio outputs. > > > > 73, Mark K5XH > > > > > > > > > >___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com >___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to nealk...@gmail.com > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http:
Re: [Flexradio] (no subject)
Mark, Keep us posted! If this works, then we only have to deal with the antenna switching logic and will have a true SO2R solution in a box. Then I will no longer be on the fence and buy a F5K instead of a pair of K3s :-) --Original Message-- From: Mark Whatley Sender: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] (no subject) Sent: Dec 9, 2009 9:55 AM Maybe Rudy. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Can the RX1 and RX2 audio channels be separated and routed to two different destinations using VAC? If it can then I have no problem. There is a "Stereo" check box in the VAC setup panel. Not sure exactly what can be put into each channel. Probably the same as listening via the headphone jack. Before I hit the Send button I had a thought.. I just loaded MMTTY here at the office to take another look at the program. Under the "Misc" tab (Not the "Soundcard" tab) there is a box labeled "Source" that allows the selection of left, right, or mono. Maybe that is the answer! So, Rudy, you may be right. Thanks for reminding me about the stereo option. Looks like some more experimenting this weekend. -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:13 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] More Flex Contesting Mark, Is the VAC output stereo? If so, what do you get in the L and R channels respectively? If you can get RX1 in one channel and RX2 in the other, N1MM logger will have no problem feeding the two MMTTY instances. MMTTY needs only one channel. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] More Flex Contesting
Mark, Is the VAC output stereo? If so, what do you get in the L and R channels respectively? If you can get RX1 in one channel and RX2 in the other, N1MM logger will have no problem feeding the two MMTTY instances. MMTTY needs only one channel. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: "Mark Whatley" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:38:36 To: Subject: [Flexradio] More Flex Contesting The point I was trying to make in my initial post is that there is no way to get RX1 audio to Demod #1 and RX2 audio to Demod #2 using VAC. I was thinking about keeping everything "internal" - that is to say using only my 5000A and computer. No extra wires or sound interfaces. Actually I wasn't trying to accomplish SO2R. My brain is old and slow and I have enough trouble working one radio at a time. What I was trying to do was use N1MM + MMTTY as the main radio interface plus a second instance of MMTTY that was just listening on RX2 to the same signal as on RX1 but using a different antenna on RX2. The idea was to get a little space diversity and hopefully what one RX can't hear the other can. It did not take long to figure out that there is no way that I could see to do this. Dudley's suggestion about hardwiring the second demodulator has at least one problem I ran across. I got out my DXP38 demodulator and connected it to the Flex using the line out/line in/PTT jacks. Then I started an instance of MMTTY running using VAC as the interface. The idea here was to listen to the same signal on the same antenna with two demodulators. Sometimes one will be a little better than the other and might save a contact from being lost. I forget which way it was but one of the audio outputs dropped too low to use when VAC was active. There was some interaction between VAC and the line out audio level. So that approach will not work either. It looks like the only way to do any of this is to follow Dudley's suggestion - use the stereo output, split the RX1 audio from the RX2 audio in PSDR and route the audio channels back into sound cards (or your DXP38). Lots of extra wires. So, in addition to all the other comments about antennas and keying considerations I would request one more: The ability to connect via VAC to each of the RX audio outputs. 73, Mark K5XH ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting
Gerald, Thank you very much for monitoring this discussion and soliciting the community's feedback. There is very little that needs to be done, IMHO, in order to make the F5K a killer SO2R combination. The required changes I believe are strictly in software. First, let's define SO2R for the purpose of sharing common use case. In a general SO2R case, we have 2 transceivers that have the capability of receiving on 2 bands at the same time or transmitting on 1 band while receiving on the second band. Each transceiver has its own antenna and amplifier. Antenna switching is done by a dedicated SO2R antenna switch, which allows any radio to use any available antenna (e.g., 2 X 10 switch). The F5K already has all the ingredients to make SO2R work- plenty of antenna ports, PTT lines, and the ability to receive while transmitting. What is needed is a simple change in the software that defines antenna and PTT key line selections per VFO rather than per band. For example, you want to be able to use RX1/ANT1/PTT1 for VFO A and RX2/ANT2/PTT2 for VFO B regardless of band (leave per band antenna selection to the SO2R switch). You may want to consider adding a SO2R option to the antenna selection dialog box (simple versus expert selection) and either give the user the ability to make the above choices or just hardcode the algorithm. I don't think anybody would care what the antenna selections are as long as you have 2 separate TX, PTT, and RX ports, 1 for each VFO. With respect to audio, the N1MM logger manual states that the logger can do SO2R RTTY with a single audio card as long as each radio goes into its own channel, e.g. Radio A is L and Radio B is R. MMTTY seems to transmit the same AFSK audio to both channels but that's OK because the SO2R box only routes PTT to one of the radios at a time. We didn't talk about the CAT interface. N1MM supports both SO2R and SO2V(FO) sets up and will do the TX focus switch in the case of SO2V. You may want to consider creating 2 separate CAT ports, one for each radio in the F5K, to make the F5K appear as a true SO2R setup to loggers. I hope this helps. Rudy N2WQ--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Gerald Youngblood wrote: From: Gerald Youngblood Subject: RE: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting To: "'Laurie'" , r_baka...@yahoo.com, FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 7:41 PM A logical block diagram of what needs to be integrated would be of great help. From that we can look at the best way to accomplish the desired outcome. Input is welcomed. Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR President FlexRadio Systems 13091 Pond Springs Rd. #250 Austin, TX 78729 Phone: 512-535-4713 www.flex-radio.com "Tune in excitement!" (TM) ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting
Two steps forward, one step back. I am surprised that the second RX is not that well integrated into the overall design. I guess not much demand for SO2R so far. Rudy N2WQ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: Dudley Hurry Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:18:30 To: Mark Whatley Cc: Subject: Re: [Flexradio] More Flex in contesting Mark, This is not very elegant but maybe use the PWR speaker output and VAC.. RX1 to VAC, pan the RX1 to one side maybe left and RX2 panned to the right and use the PWR speaker out to the computer sound card and have the other instance of N1MM pointed to the sound card instead of VAC. Maybe this will help until maybe Eric can figure another way in SW. 73, Dudley WA5QPZ Mark Whatley wrote: > Something I was thinking about SO2R during the last RTTY contest. If I > understand the N1MM program correctly you also need two instances of MMTTY > running. How does one connect one instance to RX1 and the other to RX2? I > am speaking of the RX audio from each RX. If there is a way I have been > unable to cipher it out. If I were using two separate external demodulators > then I could use the stereo output and split the two RXs apart. How would > you do this with VAC? Unless I'm missing something here the only way to use > both RXs would be to have at least one demodulator that connects via wired > cables to the RX2 audio output. > > It's what I get for thinking.. > > Mark K5XH > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > Message delivered to jhu...@austin.rr.com > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to r_baka...@yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
I think I found the answer in the CAT dictionary document. There are CAT commands that switch the TX antenna (ZZOC) and amp relay (ZZOF). Rudy N2WQ --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Rudy Bakalov wrote: Now, if PowerSDR cannot do the switching, can we do this using the logger? Specifically, can we send CAT commands to the radio just like as it were an Icom or whatever else radio? ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
Ray, Unless I am missing something, the fact that both receivers are active at all times is irrelevant to antenna switching. The software already maintains a table that links each receiver to its input antenna; it simply needs to maintain a second table that defines which port (and amp key) should be used when the TX focus moves to that receiver. It's that simple. Now, if PowerSDR cannot do the switching, can we do this using the logger? Specifically, can we send CAT commands to the radio just like as it were an Icom or whatever else radio? Rudy N2WQ --- On Tue, 12/8/09, K9DUR wrote: From: K9DUR Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting To: r_baka...@yahoo.com, "'Tim Ellison'" , flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 12:01 AM Rudy, As I pointed out in a reply to Tim's comment (which I sent before reading your last post), BOTH receivers are active all of the time. There is simply NO WAY for any software to know which receiver you are listening to at any given time and be able to switch the TX antenna accordingly. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
IMHO, the 2 x F3K is much less appealing for two key reasons: 1) No separate RX antenna inputs 2) No diversity receiving If we are talking about two individual radios, that due to software limitations need two computers, why not run two virtual machines on a modern quad-core i7 Intel machine with two Firewire cards? Rudy N2WQ --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Jim Fuller N7VR wrote: From: Jim Fuller N7VR Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 12:20 AM I have been looking at this from a bit different point of view. As Neal mentioned Flex 3000's, I will share the thinking. I am considering two Flex 3000s each run by a computer on a network. I can use a KVM switch to handle the keyboard, mouse and maybe mic (using Video Ports) switching. Each computer/Flex 3000 system would run it's own version of N1MM and use the database interlinking to share the contacts, in the same as a multi transmitter station setup. Because each Radio would have it's own screen, amp, antenna, I could work separate bands for multiplier gathering. However, I also think the Flex 5000 with and RX2 would work easier. Just have not looked everything over far enough. The thing that would allow this to work is that N1MM can synchronize data between multiple computers. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:43 PM To: Tim Ellison Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting I have put in a lot of mental hours and more than a few emails on this topic over the past 2 years, for 2 reasons. I think the Flex radios could be the premier contest radio on the market with just a bit of work and I also think our general ham community would benefit from the changes (plus it would increase sales which means Flex will remain healthy and produce that 128 module rig I have been hoping for! In reality, I think 2x3000s are the premier config. We would need to fandangle PowerSDR, build on the 5000 implementation logic so it could run dual panadapters from two 3000s instead of 1 dual-rx 5000. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Tim Ellison wrote: > The amp can be triggered by any one of three (3) keying ports. > Unfortunately, they at triggered by TX only, regardless of what VFO is > transmitting. Although that seems to be an easy software enhancement to do > what you are asking for. > > > > -Tim > > -----Original Message- > From: Rudy Bakalov [mailto:r_baka...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:21 PM > To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting > > Option #2 seems perfect! Can each RX trigger a different amp? One step > closer to nirvana :-) > > Rudy N2WQ > --Original Message-- > From: Tim Ellison > To: Rudy Bakalov > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting > Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM > > > I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all > bands. > > This you can't do. > > I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT1 > on all bands. > > This you can do. > > > -Tim > > -Original Message- > From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto: > flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM > To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting > > OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just > one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend > twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band > will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both > radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not > currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 > to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands > and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 > and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be > done by changing the PowerSDR code? > Could th
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
Option #2 seems perfect! Can each RX trigger a different amp? One step closer to nirvana :-) Rudy N2WQ --Original Message-- From: Tim Ellison To: Rudy Bakalov To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. This you can't do. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT1 on all bands. This you can do. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] Flex in contesting
Hello all, I am considering switching from traditional radios to a pair of F5s for SO2R contesting. I have spent fair amount of time browsing the archives and reading the manual, but some of my questions still remain unanswered. I'd greatly appreciate some thoughts from fellow contesters. I have the following 3 questions: 1. How do you connect 2 radios to N1MM? What kind of hardware do you need? Seems to me that running one radio + N1MM is a no brainer as I can create virtual sound and comm ports that N1MM can use. But what about a second radio? Can I run a second instance of PowerSDR on the same computer? 2. It seems that TX OUT can be selected on a per overall system basis, but not on a per receiver- e.g. ANT1 for TX/RX1 and ANT2 for TX/RX2. Am I missing something? The idea is to have a different antenna for transmitting on the frequency of each receiver so that I can have 2 amplifiers, 2 sets of antennas, etc. 3. From user interface perspective, how do you handle using the contest logger + PowerSDR at the same time? After all, mouse and keyboard are always related to the foremost application; changing the focus moves the mouse and keyboard to the other application. So I can either use the logger or PowerSDR, but not both. How do I type in the logger while playing with the filter for example? Your thoughts and experience will be greatly appreciated. I am very interested in SDRs, but not 100% sure how to integrate and use into a SO2R setup. 73, Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
