Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jack Haverty j...@3kitty.org wrote: QtRadio is a client SDR program, which can access SDR servers across LAN or WAN (Internet). The servers supported include softrocks, hpsdr, Ettus USRP and Perseus. The QtRadio client can run on Windows (Rx only at present) and Linux (RxTx) === Catching up on old email, I saw Jack's mention of this very interesting project, which I've been following for a while. For those interested in future SDR possibilities, QtRadio is well worth checking out. A single server can support a lot of clients, using the SDR remotely across a variety of network connections. Another interesting branch of SDR development is reflected in the various projects encompassed in GNURadio and OpenSDR. A particularly interesting OpenSDR variant is the Beagleboard project in which an SDR is run on a tiny embedded processor running Narcissus Linux. It illustrates just how one can get by with a very lightweight processor for detection and filtering if the SDR has the whole machine. Some of the links for these projects can be found at http://www.opensdr.com/node/17 http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki and http://openhpsdr.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ghpsdr3 At present, these approaches make considerable demands on the technical proficiency of the user, but there are many contributors working on them, and that will probably change with time. 73, Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.comwrote: Originally their customers were the early adopters and experimenters like me. As they grew their market became more mainstream. Hi Brian, Great analysis! I think you really captured the situation. I love my Flex-3000 and use it all the time. FRS seems to be doing almost all the right things at this stage of their growth. So, the question becomes - what do us early adopters and experimenters do now if we want to continue to play on the bleeding edge as FRS focuses on the mainstream? I stumbled on this very interesting video, recently posted in the dttsp-linux forum: ... http://youtu.be/oc9TuJucD48 http://youtu.be/oc9TuJucD48 - Accessing my own server on a wireless LAN, demonstrating Tx (AM mode) and monitoring with a handheld, and Rx on 40/15 etc. ... PS. For those who are not familiar, QtRadio is a client SDR program, which can access SDR servers across LAN or WAN (Internet). The servers supported include softrocks, hpsdr, Ettus USRP and Perseus. The QtRadio client can run on Windows (Rx only at present) and Linux (RxTx). ... From the video and the associated wiki, this sounds a lot like Deep Impact 0.01 - multi-platform, client/server architecture, etc. Even has an Android client. At the very least it would be fun to play with, not as a replacement for PowerSDR, but as an alternative, for use when experimenting, while PSDR is for production time. The Flex- is sadly not in the list of supported hardware. Does anyone know if it's possible to interface another program instead of PSDR to the current Flex hardware? I know that PSDR itself is open source, but there's also some proprietary stuff in the mix. Could a separate program be written (or has been written) to integrate the Flex hardware with bleeding-edge experimental systems like QtRadio? Or are there key pieces locked up in the proprietary strongbox so that PSDR is the only viable component for the software front end? I think you're right that PSDR software is no longer a venue for early adopters and experimenters, and rightly so. But is there a way (even involving writing code) to use today's Flex- hardware with other experimental software such as QtRadio (i.e., native, not through CAT), or is it time to look into buying a Softrock, Perseus, or whatever? 73, /Jack de K3FIV ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
The use of the term by another forward looking statements prompted me to make the comparison as that is the same term used in stock reporting. Elecraft makes a forward looking statement on the KX3 which is why I sold my 1500 which I could never keep working on CW. My 5000 cannot be beat on the panadapter or ability to record Burt Brevity is the soul of wit-Shakespeare If you are too big for a small job, you are too small for a big job. --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Chuck ONeal cdon...@comcast.net wrote: Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 10:29 PM Burt, You are really off base here...forward looking statements by the companies you listed are for EARNINGS, dividends, and market share issues related to share price, not their future technology roadmap. A totally unfair comparison. A better comparison, should one want to do one, is to Microsoft and their updates. Any forward looking statements from them on these? Chuck - Original Message - From: Burt k1...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes,new power for 60 Meters Forward looking statements are very common in the stocks I hold like small technical companies like HP, Microsoft, Intel etc. I realize Flex has no such obligation being privately held. It really burns me the it'll be ready when it's ready mantra on the other hand no other ham equipment manufacter is as open and reachable as Flex. No one can match their communications. I guess I want the best to be a bit better. Can't they at least say we noticed the new rules and are working on it? Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: Flexradio stated before they would not make any further forward looking statements, after the problems they had with the Flex PowerSDR release and the Flex 1500 release. We cannot expect any statements until they are ready to release the update. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: Burt [mailto:k1...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community. I would like to see this return. /OFF Soap Box 73 Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:29 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Mark Lunday Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? - SNIP -- ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
This is an old, old discussion and, in my opinion, it is time to move on. Flex is one of the most--if not *the* most--open and disclosing companies in the radio industry. In consequence, many Flexers (including me, I admit it) came to feel that we were entitled to know everything right down to the brand of coffee in the company coffee pot. FRS tried in good faith to provide time lines for hardware and software releases and an itemization of modifications that would be reflected in each. Alas, RD doesn't work that way. That which is a target for developers becomes a heaven-endorsed contract for users. Further, FRS was willing to release beta software for widespread use. Some folks, clearly not understanding the meaning of *beta*, expected each version to to be flawless. Rather than providing constructive feedback, these people savaged Flex, here, on eham, and in other venues. No fair-minded person can blame Gerald for ceasing to provide time lines and feature lists. He and the company were being faulted--sometimes with open animosity and other times with nasty-nice disingenuity or bathetic laments of soap opera intensity--for a policy far more liberal than that of any competitor. As has been said many, many times before, compare the openness and responsiveness of FRS to that of any other amateur radio manufacturer, Elecraft and TenTec--two companies with fine records for customer support--included. There simply is no comparison and only diehard Flex-bashers or fanbois for other brands would disagree. Appreciation, rather than acerbity, is the more appropriate response to their efforts. That being said, FRS tripped over its yaya with respect to Deep Impact. Not in their plans to develop it or in their ultimate failure to deliver the product we came to expect, but in the dismissive way in which they handled it. Gerald would have been far better off to have distributed an email detailing the whys and wherefores. The Death of DI or some such. Instead, FRS spokespersons became evasive and defensive, halfway acknowledging its demise, halfway hinting that it might still be germinating somewhere. (Yes, gentlemen, you really did.) Still, given the fine quality of its products and the overall openness and responsiveness of its staff, I think that FRS can/should be forgiven for this gaffe. Finally, let's keep in mind that Flex and the other SDR developers are breaking new ground. FRS is often compared to Elecraft but the comparison is a false one. Elecraft builds *very* fine equipment. I have one of their KPA500 amps and I will give it up when you pry my cold, dead fingers from the mic. But Elecraft is striving--at least up to this point--to push the envelope of the conventional radio as far as it can be pushed. FRS, on the other hand, is exploring something completely new. They, along with the other SDR pioneers, are asking us to join them. People like me who grew up on the sea know that such voyages are invariably accompanied by occasional storms, blown out sails, engines that are hard to start, and bilges that leak. There is absolutely nothing wrong with electing to stand on the shore rather than embarking into the more-or-less unknown. But people who are of that mindset shouldn't have bought into SRS in the first place. In the long span of time, perhaps FRS will survive, perhaps it will not (remember the Amiga?). Whether they do or do not, they have offered us the opportunity to join their voyage of discovery. All ashore that's goin' ashore! 73 and the very finest and most satisfying of Thanksgivings to you all. Bill On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Burt k1...@yahoo.com wrote: The use of the term by another forward looking statements prompted me to make the comparison as that is the same term used in stock reporting. Elecraft makes a forward looking statement on the KX3 which is why I sold my 1500 which I could never keep working on CW. My 5000 cannot be beat on the panadapter or ability to record Burt Brevity is the soul of wit-Shakespeare If you are too big for a small job, you are too small for a big job. --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Chuck ONeal cdon...@comcast.net wrote: Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 10:29 PM Burt, You are really off base here...forward looking statements by the companies you listed are for EARNINGS, dividends, and market share issues related to share price, not their future technology roadmap. A totally unfair comparison. A better comparison, should one want to do one, is to Microsoft and their updates. Any forward looking statements from them on these? Chuck - Original Message - From: Burt k1...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes,new power for 60 Meters Forward looking statements are very common in the stocks I hold like small technical
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
are of that mindset shouldn't have bought into SRS in the first place. In the long span of time, perhaps FRS will survive, perhaps it will not (remember the Amiga?). Whether they do or do not, they have offered us the opportunity to join their voyage of discovery. All ashore that's goin' ashore! 73 and the very finest and most satisfying of Thanksgivings to you all. Bill On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Burt k1...@yahoo.com wrote: The use of the term by another forward looking statements prompted me to make the comparison as that is the same term used in stock reporting. Elecraft makes a forward looking statement on the KX3 which is why I sold my 1500 which I could never keep working on CW. My 5000 cannot be beat on the panadapter or ability to record Burt Brevity is the soul of wit-Shakespeare If you are too big for a small job, you are too small for a big job. --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Chuck ONeal cdon...@comcast.net wrote: Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 10:29 PM Burt, You are really off base here...forward looking statements by the companies you listed are for EARNINGS, dividends, and market share issues related to share price, not their future technology roadmap. A totally unfair comparison. A better comparison, should one want to do one, is to Microsoft and their updates. Any forward looking statements from them on these? Chuck - Original Message - From: Burt k1...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes,new power for 60 Meters Forward looking statements are very common in the stocks I hold like small technical companies like HP, Microsoft, Intel etc. I realize Flex has no such obligation being privately held. It really burns me the it'll be ready when it's ready mantra on the other hand no other ham equipment manufacter is as open and reachable as Flex. No one can match their communications. I guess I want the best to be a bit better. Can't they at least say we noticed the new rules and are working on it? Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: Flexradio stated before they would not make any further forward looking statements, after the problems they had with the Flex PowerSDR release and the Flex 1500 release. We cannot expect any statements until they are ready to release the update. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: Burt [mailto:k1...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community. I would like to see this return. /OFF Soap Box 73 Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:29 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Mark Lunday Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? - SNIP -- ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
storms, blown out sails, engines that are hard to start, and bilges that leak. There is absolutely nothing wrong with electing to stand on the shore rather than embarking into the more-or-less unknown. But people who are of that mindset shouldn't have bought into SRS in the first place. In the long span of time, perhaps FRS will survive, perhaps it will not (remember the Amiga?). Whether they do or do not, they have offered us the opportunity to join their voyage of discovery. All ashore that's goin' ashore! 73 and the very finest and most satisfying of Thanksgivings to you all. Bill On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Burt k1...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=k1...@yahoo.com wrote: The use of the term by another forward looking statements prompted me to make the comparison as that is the same term used in stock reporting. Elecraft makes a forward looking statement on the KX3 which is why I sold my 1500 which I could never keep working on CW. My 5000 cannot be beat on the panadapter or ability to record Burt Brevity is the soul of wit-Shakespeare If you are too big for a small job, you are too small for a big job. --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Chuck ONeal cdon...@comcast.nethttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cdon...@comcast.net wrote: Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 10:29 PM Burt, You are really off base here...forward looking statements by the companies you listed are for EARNINGS, dividends, and market share issues related to share price, not their future technology roadmap. A totally unfair comparison. A better comparison, should one want to do one, is to Microsoft and their updates. Any forward looking statements from them on these? Chuck - Original Message - From: Burt k1...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=k1...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizhttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz ; n...@fuller.nethttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=n...@fuller.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes,new power for 60 Meters Forward looking statements are very common in the stocks I hold like small technical companies like HP, Microsoft, Intel etc. I realize Flex has no such obligation being privately held. It really burns me the it'll be ready when it's ready mantra on the other hand no other ham equipment manufacter is as open and reachable as Flex. No one can match their communications. I guess I want the best to be a bit better. Can't they at least say we noticed the new rules and are working on it? Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.nethttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=n...@fuller.net wrote: Flexradio stated before they would not make any further forward looking statements, after the problems they had with the Flex PowerSDR release and the Flex 1500 release. We cannot expect any statements until they are ready to release the update. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: Burt [mailto:k1...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=k1...@yahoo.com ] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.bizhttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz ; n...@fuller.nethttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.nethttp://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=n...@fuller.net wrote: ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Burt k1...@yahoo.com wrote: Why is it some say it is time to move on AFTER they have their say? Because some want the last word. :-) I have no idea what Deep Impact is, what is it? A video game? Deep Impact is the name of a mythical replacement for PowerSDR. Some time ago Flex announced that they were going to produce a better program than PowerSDR. For that to make sense you have to realize that PowerSDR was intended to be a temporary hack (used in the pejorative for a program written hastily and crudely to prove a point and expected to be discarded). PowerSDR was going to be discarded in favor of a much more elegant and expandable program that would allow for all kinds of improvements and changes to be easily made. But Deep Impact was taking too long so Flex extended the life of PowerSDR to fill the gap. Now they have so much time, effort, and money invested in PSDR that they can't abandon it even though it is limiting their ability to do some of the new and cool things people have asked for. So instead of abandoning PowerSDR and switching wholesale to a new program, they have to somehow keep PowerSDR and rewrite its problems away without abandoning it completely. The only problem is, this will take longer and cost more. Can they do it? I certainly hope so. But it does mean that some of the things that I and others were hoping would come along with the new program will be long-delayed or even abandoned. As an aside I have received PRIVATE emails from others or sold or are selling the 1500 to go to KX3. Thought comes to mind, why are they private? Is Flex feared? That is a good point. Part of it is how people are jumped on by the Flex adherents (sometimes called Fan Boys or Fanbois). Many times people who express a negative opinion of Flex are verbally attacked on the lists so not many want to go there. The problem is, there is a fuzzy line between justifiable complaint and unreasonable attack on Flex. Also, there is a fuzzy line between reasonable defense and offense. I spent a significant amount of time on the eHam SDR forum trying to provide a reasonable defense for Flex from some people who, IMHO, clearly crossed the line into unreasonable attack on Flex. But one of their points, that dissent on the official Flex reflectors is punished, has a grain of truth to it. It isn't punished by Flex itself or its employees, but it is punished by the Fanbois. So, you bring up a good point. The 1500 is not all it is cracked up to be. I agree. As I pointed out, mine has not worked properly at some level for the entire time I have owned it, well over a year now. Oh, it is always something different and when Flex fixes one part, something else seems to go wrong, and the problems can be subtle enough that either I figure I can live with working around them. Not now. My 1500 is currently unusable with a problem that seems to be uncommon. So, again, I cannot use my 1500. But this gets back to a key point that many people seem to forget and that is -- Flex Radio Systems is about the only company in ham radio right now doing anything to move the technology forward ... or rather, they were. If all you want is a QRP box to run CW, I can definitely see moving from the 1500 to a KX3. Frankly, Elecraft has a better track record than Flex does for releasing products that work first time. I bet that the first version of the KX3 will work just peachy on CW. OTOH, for me, experimenting with digital modes, modems, and codecs, there is no alternative to the Flex radios right now. None. Good, bad, or indifferent, there is no other company providing the tools, albeit flawed, that Flex Radio Systems is providing. But FRS wants to sell to hams who are, frankly, rather conservative. In spite of what it says, the rank-and-file of the amateur radio community does not readily support new things. You only have to look around to see that there is nothing new in Amateur radio and there hasn't been for many years. Gone are the days where amateur radio pushed back the boundaries of wireless communications. Now the boundaries are pushed back by commercial and government research, with some of the bits trickling down to amateur radio later. This has hit FRS and they have recognized it. Originally their customers were the early adopters and experimenters like me. As they grew their market became more mainstream. They had to suck in the mainstream hams in order to keep their growth going. But that means that they have to focus on mainstream features that hams already understand, not new things that only the early adopters understand. Oh, eventually they can roll out the new things but only after the ideas have percolated down through a bunch of QST articles talking about how great the idea is. By they time that happens the technology is mature, not new. So, FRS has to downplay the new and different in favor of doing the tried-and-true better. This is a really different approach and it means
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
Whenever I think I am smart I am humbled by the comments of others Brian you did a super job of putting it all together for me. I thoroughly enjoyed and was educated by your comments. Flex has its problems but they must feed more of the masses to exist, I get that. I do recognize they are the best. I think the best ought to be able to take some REASONABLE comments. I like your terms Fan Boys or Fanbois, I do not know if William is one, although he wants me to go away I do value his opinion. Aren't we lucky that Flex brings together people like you, William and others who have it all together! Burt --- On Wed, 11/23/11, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: From: Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters To: Burt k1...@yahoo.com Cc: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com, FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Date: Wednesday, November 23, 2011, 2:50 PM On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Burt k1...@yahoo.com wrote: Why is it some say it is time to move on AFTER they have their say? Because some want the last word. :-) I have no idea what Deep Impact is, what is it? A video game? Deep Impact is the name of a mythical replacement for PowerSDR. Some time ago Flex announced that they were going to produce a better program than PowerSDR. For that to make sense you have to realize that PowerSDR was intended to be a temporary hack (used in the pejorative for a program written hastily and crudely to prove a point and expected to be discarded). PowerSDR was going to be discarded in favor of a much more elegant and expandable program that would allow for all kinds of improvements and changes to be easily made. But Deep Impact was taking too long so Flex extended the life of PowerSDR to fill the gap. Now they have so much time, effort, and money invested in PSDR that they can't abandon it even though it is limiting their ability to do some of the new and cool things people have asked for. So instead of abandoning PowerSDR and switching wholesale to a new program, they have to somehow keep PowerSDR and rewrite its problems away without abandoning it completely. The only problem is, this will take longer and cost more. Can they do it? I certainly hope so. But it does mean that some of the things that I and others were hoping would come along with the new program will be long-delayed or even abandoned. As an aside I have received PRIVATE emails from others or sold or are selling the 1500 to go to KX3. Thought comes to mind, why are they private? Is Flex feared? That is a good point. Part of it is how people are jumped on by the Flex adherents (sometimes called Fan Boys or Fanbois). Many times people who express a negative opinion of Flex are verbally attacked on the lists so not many want to go there. The problem is, there is a fuzzy line between justifiable complaint and unreasonable attack on Flex. Also, there is a fuzzy line between reasonable defense and offense. I spent a significant amount of time on the eHam SDR forum trying to provide a reasonable defense for Flex from some people who, IMHO, clearly crossed the line into unreasonable attack on Flex. But one of their points, that dissent on the official Flex reflectors is punished, has a grain of truth to it. It isn't punished by Flex itself or its employees, but it is punished by the Fanbois. So, you bring up a good point. The 1500 is not all it is cracked up to be. I agree. As I pointed out, mine has not worked properly at some level for the entire time I have owned it, well over a year now. Oh, it is always something different and when Flex fixes one part, something else seems to go wrong, and the problems can be subtle enough that either I figure I can live with working around them. Not now. My 1500 is currently unusable with a problem that seems to be uncommon. So, again, I cannot use my 1500. But this gets back to a key point that many people seem to forget and that is -- Flex Radio Systems is about the only company in ham radio right now doing anything to move the technology forward ... or rather, they were. If all you want is a QRP box to run CW, I can definitely see moving from the 1500 to a KX3. Frankly, Elecraft has a better track record than Flex does for releasing products that work first time. I bet that the first version of the KX3 will work just peachy on CW. OTOH, for me, experimenting with digital modes, modems, and codecs, there is no alternative to the Flex radios right now. None. Good, bad, or indifferent, there is no other company providing the tools, albeit flawed, that Flex Radio Systems is providing. But FRS wants to sell to hams who are, frankly, rather conservative. In spite of what it says, the rank-and-file of the amateur radio community does not readily support new things. You only have to look around to see that there is nothing new in Amateur radio and there hasn't been for many
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
Very well said Bill, I agree 100%. The only thing I can add is that I think there is a major difference in Elecraft making an announcement of an upcoming new rig and Flex making announcements about upcoming software updates. That's an apples and oranges comparison if there ever was one. BTW, on the the subject of the KX3, I know a lot of folks are excited by that particular piece of vaporware but it's my understanding that it will interface to the PC via the PC soundcard. We've already, been there, done that and IMHO it's a step backwards. 73, Michael, W4HIJ On 11/23/2011 9:33 AM, William H. Fite wrote: This is an old, old discussion and, in my opinion, it is time to move on. Flex is one of the most--if not *the* most--open and disclosing companies in the radio industry. In consequence, many Flexers (including me, I admit it) came to feel that we were entitled to know everything right down to the brand of coffee in the company coffee pot. FRS tried in good faith to provide time lines for hardware and software releases and an itemization of modifications that would be reflected in each. Alas, RD doesn't work that way. That which is a target for developers becomes a heaven-endorsed contract for users. Further, FRS was willing to release beta software for widespread use. Some folks, clearly not understanding the meaning of *beta*, expected each version to to be flawless. Rather than providing constructive feedback, these people savaged Flex, here, on eham, and in other venues. No fair-minded person can blame Gerald for ceasing to provide time lines and feature lists. He and the company were being faulted--sometimes with open animosity and other times with nasty-nice disingenuity or bathetic laments of soap opera intensity--for a policy far more liberal than that of any competitor. As has been said many, many times before, compare the openness and responsiveness of FRS to that of any other amateur radio manufacturer, Elecraft and TenTec--two companies with fine records for customer support--included. There simply is no comparison and only diehard Flex-bashers or fanbois for other brands would disagree. Appreciation, rather than acerbity, is the more appropriate response to their efforts. That being said, FRS tripped over its yaya with respect to Deep Impact. Not in their plans to develop it or in their ultimate failure to deliver the product we came to expect, but in the dismissive way in which they handled it. Gerald would have been far better off to have distributed an email detailing the whys and wherefores. The Death of DI or some such. Instead, FRS spokespersons became evasive and defensive, halfway acknowledging its demise, halfway hinting that it might still be germinating somewhere. (Yes, gentlemen, you really did.) Still, given the fine quality of its products and the overall openness and responsiveness of its staff, I think that FRS can/should be forgiven for this gaffe. Finally, let's keep in mind that Flex and the other SDR developers are breaking new ground. FRS is often compared to Elecraft but the comparison is a false one. Elecraft builds *very* fine equipment. I have one of their KPA500 amps and I will give it up when you pry my cold, dead fingers from the mic. But Elecraft is striving--at least up to this point--to push the envelope of the conventional radio as far as it can be pushed. FRS, on the other hand, is exploring something completely new. They, along with the other SDR pioneers, are asking us to join them. People like me who grew up on the sea know that such voyages are invariably accompanied by occasional storms, blown out sails, engines that are hard to start, and bilges that leak. There is absolutely nothing wrong with electing to stand on the shore rather than embarking into the more-or-less unknown. But people who are of that mindset shouldn't have bought into SRS in the first place. In the long span of time, perhaps FRS will survive, perhaps it will not (remember the Amiga?). Whether they do or do not, they have offered us the opportunity to join their voyage of discovery. All ashore that's goin' ashore! 73 and the very finest and most satisfying of Thanksgivings to you all. Bill On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Burtk1...@yahoo.com wrote: The use of the term by another forward looking statements prompted me to make the comparison as that is the same term used in stock reporting. Elecraft makes a forward looking statement on the KX3 which is why I sold my 1500 which I could never keep working on CW. My 5000 cannot be beat on the panadapter or ability to record Burt Brevity is the soul of wit-Shakespeare If you are too big for a small job, you are too small for a big job. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge
[Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
Good point, Burt! But I must confess, there have been MANY times when I have said that same thing. In fact, I have purposely planned to NOT travel or have company in town during Thanksgiving weekend for the CQ WW DX CW contest. I mostly do SP nowadays, but back in the day (as recently as 1997) I bought the wife a basket of flowers and some candy and said I was going to be offline (as in unavail) for 36 hours or so. Fortunately, I have the best XYL ever and she puts up with me. Also, she was in graduate school at the time and was swamped with research. Mostly because ham radio is my hobby and I put in a lot of hours with work (probably too much, averaging 60 per week), I go to my hobby to de-stress. For sure I don't get together with the family to de-stress (LOL). All kidding aside, sorry for going off-topic. Back to 60 meters and the new freq and new power. I think we can put this to bed. Mark Lunday, WD4ELG Greensboro, NC FM06be wd4...@arrl.net http://wd4elg.blogspot.com http://wd4elg.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Mark Lunday wd4...@triad.rr.com wrote: But I must confess, there have been MANY times when I have said that same thing. In fact, I have purposely planned to NOT travel or have company in town during Thanksgiving weekend for the CQ WW DX CW contest. I mostly do SP nowadays, but back in the day (as recently as 1997) I bought the wife a basket of flowers and some candy and said I was going to be offline (as in unavail) for 36 hours or so. Fortunately, I have the best XYL ever and she puts up with me. Also, she was in graduate school at the time and was swamped with research. Mostly because ham radio is my hobby and I put in a lot of hours with work (probably too much, averaging 60 per week), I go to my hobby to de-stress. For sure I don't get together with the family to de-stress (LOL). All kidding aside, sorry for going off-topic. Back to 60 meters and the new freq and new power. I think we can put this to bed. Mark Lunday, WD4ELG Greensboro, NC FM06be wd4...@arrl.net http://wd4elg.blogspot.com http://wd4elg.net ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community. I would like to see this return. /OFF Soap Box 73 Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:29 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Mark Lunday Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? - SNIP -- ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community. I would like to see this return. /OFF Soap Box 73 Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:29 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Mark Lunday Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? - SNIP -- ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
Burt, Yes, I missed your point. Since this type of flexibility is what SDR is all about, knowing the type of customer service that FlexRadio Systems provides, I just thought that it was self-evident that they will release the necessary update in a timely manner. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
Hi Burt, Flexradio stated before they would not make any further forward looking statements, after the problems they had with the Flex PowerSDR release and the Flex 1500 release. We cannot expect any statements until they are ready to release the update. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: Burt [mailto:k1...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community. I would like to see this return. /OFF Soap Box 73 Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:29 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Mark Lunday Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? - SNIP -- ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
Forward looking statements are very common in the stocks I hold like small technical companies like HP, Microsoft, Intel etc. I realize Flex has no such obligation being privately held. It really burns me the it'll be ready when it's ready mantra on the other hand no other ham equipment manufacter is as open and reachable as Flex. No one can match their communications. I guess I want the best to be a bit better. Can't they at least say we noticed the new rules and are working on it? Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: Flexradio stated before they would not make any further forward looking statements, after the problems they had with the Flex PowerSDR release and the Flex 1500 release. We cannot expect any statements until they are ready to release the update. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: Burt [mailto:k1...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community. I would like to see this return. /OFF Soap Box 73 Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:29 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Mark Lunday Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? - SNIP -- ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
I bet they are off enjoying the week off for Thanksgiving! I can almost promise that the radio will always transmit on FCC legal HF frequencies! 73 On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Burt k1...@yahoo.com wrote: Forward looking statements are very common in the stocks I hold like small technical companies like HP, Microsoft, Intel etc. I realize Flex has no such obligation being privately held. It really burns me the it'll be ready when it's ready mantra on the other hand no other ham equipment manufacter is as open and reachable as Flex. No one can match their communications. I guess I want the best to be a bit better. Can't they at least say we noticed the new rules and are working on it? Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: Flexradio stated before they would not make any further forward looking statements, after the problems they had with the Flex PowerSDR release and the Flex 1500 release. We cannot expect any statements until they are ready to release the update. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: Burt [mailto:k1...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community. I would like to see this return. /OFF Soap Box 73 Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:29 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Mark Lunday Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? - SNIP -- ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ -- Neal Campbell Owner Abroham Neal LLC Work:+1 540 645 5394 Mobile: +1 540 645 8171 ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
Burt, You are really off base here...forward looking statements by the companies you listed are for EARNINGS, dividends, and market share issues related to share price, not their future technology roadmap. A totally unfair comparison. A better comparison, should one want to do one, is to Microsoft and their updates. Any forward looking statements from them on these? Chuck - Original Message - From: Burt k1...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes,new power for 60 Meters Forward looking statements are very common in the stocks I hold like small technical companies like HP, Microsoft, Intel etc. I realize Flex has no such obligation being privately held. It really burns me the it'll be ready when it's ready mantra on the other hand no other ham equipment manufacter is as open and reachable as Flex. No one can match their communications. I guess I want the best to be a bit better. Can't they at least say we noticed the new rules and are working on it? Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: Flexradio stated before they would not make any further forward looking statements, after the problems they had with the Flex PowerSDR release and the Flex 1500 release. We cannot expect any statements until they are ready to release the update. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: Burt [mailto:k1...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community. I would like to see this return. /OFF Soap Box 73 Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:29 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Mark Lunday Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? - SNIP -- ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters
Hi All I think some are misreading Burt's note. He is merely asking if Flex will be updating the software for the new 60m Band Plan. I think he was just interested and hoping to 'entice' a Flex employee in the email trail to acknowledge the change with his wording. Burt's a good guy and I am sure doesn't mean any disrespect! BTW, my very best wishes to all for this Thanksgiving (in the US) and know how appreciative i am of the opportunities to help you out in the past year!! 73 Neal On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Chuck ONeal cdon...@comcast.net wrote: Burt, You are really off base here...forward looking statements by the companies you listed are for EARNINGS, dividends, and market share issues related to share price, not their future technology roadmap. A totally unfair comparison. A better comparison, should one want to do one, is to Microsoft and their updates. Any forward looking statements from them on these? Chuck - Original Message - From: Burt k1...@yahoo.com To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes,new power for 60 Meters Forward looking statements are very common in the stocks I hold like small technical companies like HP, Microsoft, Intel etc. I realize Flex has no such obligation being privately held. It really burns me the it'll be ready when it's ready mantra on the other hand no other ham equipment manufacter is as open and reachable as Flex. No one can match their communications. I guess I want the best to be a bit better. Can't they at least say we noticed the new rules and are working on it? Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: Flexradio stated before they would not make any further forward looking statements, after the problems they had with the Flex PowerSDR release and the Flex 1500 release. We cannot expect any statements until they are ready to release the update. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: Burt [mailto:k1...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:43 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters You are missing my point, of course I do not expect a release date before the rules go into effect. They have said not even if they will EVER do anything at all. Not even we are looking at it. Whatever they do will be better than Icom, Yaseu, Kenwood etc Think how lucky we are that our radios can be changed Burt --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Jim fuller - N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: ON Soap Box Come on Guys, Let's give then boys at Flex a little time and credit. The notice came out on Friday and has not been published in the Federal register. We have to wait 30 Days from the time it is published in the Federal register before we can even use the frequencies and modes. I am sure within that time, FlexRadio will address the issue. We need to give them some time to do it, as not everything happens overnight. We used have patience, respect, and kindness in the amateur radio community. I would like to see this return. /OFF Soap Box 73 Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-bounces@flex-radio.**bizflexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-bounces@**flex-radio.bizflexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz ] On Behalf Of Burt Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:29 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz; Mark Lunday Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Priorities, was RE: New freq, new modes, new power for 60 Meters There is certainly no stress in contesting Why has Flex been silent on software updates for 60m? - SNIP -- __**_ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/**mailman/listinfo/flexradio_** flex-radio.bizhttp://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ __**_ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/**mailman/listinfo/flexradio_**flex
