Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps
I'm not familiar with that type of mouse... I've used the Logitech revolution that has a free wheeling wheel, no detents. I found it tough to control in high qso rate situations. - Original Message - From: "Michael M. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "flexRadio List" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Tim Ellison wrote: >> How about a mouse with a wheel that doesn't utilize detents? >> >> >> >> -Tim >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FireBrick >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:49 PM >> To: flexRadio List >> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps >> >> Hmm >> I wonder about this. >> I wonder if the speed of contesting can handle 'thinking'. >> >> My eyes watch the mark/space display, I have 'learned' how much I need > to turn the mouse wheel relative to have far off to the side of the > mark/space bars in the display, the mark appears to be. >> >> I don't consciously determine the number of up/down mouse detents I need. >> It's just reaction. >> I'm usually pretty close. >> The problem is 'timing'. >> I only have so long to get my receiver locked on to the signal before I > miss the callsign. >> If I'm cqing, I have to ask for a repeat. >> If I'm S&Ping, I have to wait till he works the guy who got there first > and finishes. >> >> As in life...TIMING IS EVERYTHING! >> >> When I cq, I use this technique. I cq on vfob. >> but I receive and tune in responding stations on vfoa That way MY > frequency never changes. >> but I still have to compensate for responders who are off that smidgin > that results in no print. >> Software AFC helps, but is not foolproof, so I resort to mouse wheel, > Shuttle center dial, or Navigator. >> (It aids arthritic fingers to have multiple devices) >> >> As I said, 1 or 5khz tunesteps are way to slow, 10 is just a tad too > slow 50khz is too fast. >> >> User defined tune steps are my hoped for choice. >> A auto adjust mark/space AFC for digital would be great also. But may > not be fast enough. >> My, and the other stations, ears are good enough for slight off > frequency replies in cw, but not for digital. >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Brian Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: "FlexRadio List" >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps >> >> >>>> Please add more Tune Steps. >>> I would go one step further: please add acceleration to the tuning. >>> Tuning faster, i.e. spinning the knob or wheel, increases the step >>> size but when tuning slowly the step size reduces to 10Hz or even 1Hz. >>> That way we wouldn't have to mess with tuning step size. >>> >>> As for step size, we live in an logarithmic world. Ever wonder why >>> attenuators go in a 1x, 2x, 5x, 10x sequence? Think about it for >>> tuning steps. >>> >>> Brian Lloyd >>> Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl >>> brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 >>> +1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax) >>> >>> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C >>> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A >>> 1B6C >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> >> >> ___ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> >> > How about the Microsoft Mouse that has the left and right scroll > capability (wheel shifts left and right)? Left and right can be scan > direction and wheel can be r
Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps
doesn't matter Tim The mouse or shuttle pro wheel control Writelog, not PWSDR. That's the problem. Tuning PWSDR via the mouse and then trying to switch mouse focus to Writelog or ANY contest/logging program is too slow, and cumbersome. Focus is the issue in a contest environment. I could have 10 mice/input devices, but it's hard to control to sets of software at the same time. One has to be controland it's Writelog or N1MM or DXlabs. Even with PWSDR on one monitor and Contest program on other. I can't efficiently move the mouse back and forth to fine tune off frequency replies or qsy faster enough for contest rate efficiency. Mousing to the PWSDR vfo display, selecting the proper digit and adjusting is FAR TOO SLOW to work in a contest. Trying to adjust the panadaptor, is far to INACCURATE to work in a contest. Tune Steps work, just need a couple more choices. While I can't tell the difference by ear. I can tell if the station is FSK or AFSK, AFSK is a tad wider on the scope. I have the scope set for 200Hz, that way if it's AFSK, it' on the mark space lines. If it's FSK, it's just inside the lines. Both will print But if either of the mark or space lines are outside the lines, and the station is WEAK, then I need to fine tune. Now if PWSDR has a FAST AFC system, I could use my two vfo to full advantage. Transmit on vfo b and let PWSDR adjust receive frequency via AFC. That would be a fantastic solution.!! And to take that one step fatherHave the FAST AFC also be a 'voter/comparator like we have in public service communications where it picks the 'best' signal, not necessarily the loudest signal. LOL LOL That would run my 'rate' through the roof. Hence my system of letting PWSDR sit there...and take all it's band/mode/ fine tuning commands from Writelogwhere all the action is. Using a mouse and Shuttle at the same time. Shuttle buttons programmed for all the contest F keys, buffers etc. and mouse to 'grab' exchanges and fine tune. As I first stated, the only problem with this, is the not ready for prime time tuning steps, not enough of them! They should be users definable... That way I could pick the best choice for my hand/eye choice dependent on the mode I'm contesting in. small tune steps for cw, larger for rtty, and obviously bigger for phone. - Original Message - From: "Tim Ellison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "flexRadio List" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Tune steps How about a mouse with a wheel that doesn't utilize detents? -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FireBrick Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:49 PM To: flexRadio List Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps Hmm I wonder about this. I wonder if the speed of contesting can handle 'thinking'. My eyes watch the mark/space display, I have 'learned' how much I need to turn the mouse wheel relative to have far off to the side of the mark/space bars in the display, the mark appears to be. I don't consciously determine the number of up/down mouse detents I need. It's just reaction. I'm usually pretty close. The problem is 'timing'. I only have so long to get my receiver locked on to the signal before I miss the callsign. If I'm cqing, I have to ask for a repeat. If I'm S&Ping, I have to wait till he works the guy who got there first and finishes. As in life...TIMING IS EVERYTHING! When I cq, I use this technique. I cq on vfob. but I receive and tune in responding stations on vfoa That way MY frequency never changes. but I still have to compensate for responders who are off that smidgin that results in no print. Software AFC helps, but is not foolproof, so I resort to mouse wheel, Shuttle center dial, or Navigator. (It aids arthritic fingers to have multiple devices) As I said, 1 or 5khz tunesteps are way to slow, 10 is just a tad too slow 50khz is too fast. User defined tune steps are my hoped for choice. A auto adjust mark/space AFC for digital would be great also. But may not be fast enough. My, and the other stations, ears are good enough for slight off frequency replies in cw, but not for digital. - Original Message - From: "Brian Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "FlexRadio List" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps >> Please add more Tune Steps. > > I would go one step further: please add acceleration to the tuning. > Tuning faster, i.e. spinning the knob or wheel, increases the step > size but when tuning slowly the step size reduces to 10Hz or even 1Hz. > That way we wouldn't have to mes
Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps
On Aug 30, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Tim Ellison wrote: > How about a mouse with a wheel that doesn't utilize detents? I just got my Griffin Powermate, thank you. Detents or not, it is already quantized. The size of the tuning quantum (step size) should vary depending on how quickly I am turning the knob. Example: consider the computer mouse. Most pointing devices utilize "acceleration". When you are trying to move the mouse pointer to the other side of the screen you move the mouse quickly. The pointer "accelerates", moving many pixels per step of the mouse wheel. When your pointer gets in the vicinity of what you want to point at you slow down your motion of the mouse and the resolution increases, i.e. the pointer "step size" decreases. If you want to get a feel for it, turn off acceleration of your mouse so that step size remains constant. You will quickly get annoyed. This is my reaction to the fixed step-size built into PSDR. I am with Firebrick on this but I want to go one step further and have the step size vary depending on how quickly I am tuning. Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 +1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax) PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Ellison wrote: > How about a mouse with a wheel that doesn't utilize detents? > > > > -Tim > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FireBrick > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:49 PM > To: flexRadio List > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps > > Hmm > I wonder about this. > I wonder if the speed of contesting can handle 'thinking'. > > My eyes watch the mark/space display, I have 'learned' how much I need to turn the mouse wheel relative to have far off to the side of the mark/space bars in the display, the mark appears to be. > > I don't consciously determine the number of up/down mouse detents I need. > It's just reaction. > I'm usually pretty close. > The problem is 'timing'. > I only have so long to get my receiver locked on to the signal before I miss the callsign. > If I'm cqing, I have to ask for a repeat. > If I'm S&Ping, I have to wait till he works the guy who got there first and finishes. > > As in life...TIMING IS EVERYTHING! > > When I cq, I use this technique. I cq on vfob. > but I receive and tune in responding stations on vfoa That way MY frequency never changes. > but I still have to compensate for responders who are off that smidgin that results in no print. > Software AFC helps, but is not foolproof, so I resort to mouse wheel, Shuttle center dial, or Navigator. > (It aids arthritic fingers to have multiple devices) > > As I said, 1 or 5khz tunesteps are way to slow, 10 is just a tad too slow 50khz is too fast. > > User defined tune steps are my hoped for choice. > A auto adjust mark/space AFC for digital would be great also. But may not be fast enough. > My, and the other stations, ears are good enough for slight off frequency replies in cw, but not for digital. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Brian Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "FlexRadio List" > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps > > >>> Please add more Tune Steps. >> I would go one step further: please add acceleration to the tuning. >> Tuning faster, i.e. spinning the knob or wheel, increases the step >> size but when tuning slowly the step size reduces to 10Hz or even 1Hz. >> That way we wouldn't have to mess with tuning step size. >> >> As for step size, we live in an logarithmic world. Ever wonder why >> attenuators go in a 1x, 2x, 5x, 10x sequence? Think about it for >> tuning steps. >> >> Brian Lloyd >> Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl >> brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 >> +1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax) >> >> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C >> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A >> 1B6C >> >> >> >> > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > How about the Microsoft Mouse that has the left and right scroll capability (wheel shifts left and right)? Left and right can be scan direction and wheel can be rate? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAki5tpUACgkQJ4ckW9CxG9ix7ACcDbII6ZSQrJO7aKc+kpM+B50Z eSgAniyZ54gBconbdQtvMihga9aQl3Pt =soqV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps
How about a mouse with a wheel that doesn't utilize detents? -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FireBrick Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:49 PM To: flexRadio List Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps Hmm I wonder about this. I wonder if the speed of contesting can handle 'thinking'. My eyes watch the mark/space display, I have 'learned' how much I need to turn the mouse wheel relative to have far off to the side of the mark/space bars in the display, the mark appears to be. I don't consciously determine the number of up/down mouse detents I need. It's just reaction. I'm usually pretty close. The problem is 'timing'. I only have so long to get my receiver locked on to the signal before I miss the callsign. If I'm cqing, I have to ask for a repeat. If I'm S&Ping, I have to wait till he works the guy who got there first and finishes. As in life...TIMING IS EVERYTHING! When I cq, I use this technique. I cq on vfob. but I receive and tune in responding stations on vfoa That way MY frequency never changes. but I still have to compensate for responders who are off that smidgin that results in no print. Software AFC helps, but is not foolproof, so I resort to mouse wheel, Shuttle center dial, or Navigator. (It aids arthritic fingers to have multiple devices) As I said, 1 or 5khz tunesteps are way to slow, 10 is just a tad too slow 50khz is too fast. User defined tune steps are my hoped for choice. A auto adjust mark/space AFC for digital would be great also. But may not be fast enough. My, and the other stations, ears are good enough for slight off frequency replies in cw, but not for digital. - Original Message - From: "Brian Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "FlexRadio List" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps >> Please add more Tune Steps. > > I would go one step further: please add acceleration to the tuning. > Tuning faster, i.e. spinning the knob or wheel, increases the step > size but when tuning slowly the step size reduces to 10Hz or even 1Hz. > That way we wouldn't have to mess with tuning step size. > > As for step size, we live in an logarithmic world. Ever wonder why > attenuators go in a 1x, 2x, 5x, 10x sequence? Think about it for > tuning steps. > > Brian Lloyd > Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl > brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax) > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A > 1B6C > > > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps
Hm I see what you mean My mouse is not a contstant mouse wheel. Same for the Shuttle, it really controls Writelog, not PWSDR. The Navigator is PWSDR only. Each step of the mouse wheel or Shuttle wheel tells Writelog to move the receive frequency by one Tune Step. What ever the Tune Step I have presently selected in PWSDR. One Mouse wheel step could be 1hz or 10K. I normally leave it at 10Hz, which is a tad too slow. The mouse wheel does not control PWSDR, Writelog reads the mouse wheel and tells PWSDR to move 1 step for each increment. As I rarely ever submit a score, I use the cluster, Writelogs Bandmap displays the stations and I just mouse click on my friends calls and give them a point. When I feel like it, I 'RUN', and that's where the off frequency responses cause the problem. I'm cqing at 14.093.386 and actually the responser is at 14.093.350 He didn't have enough time to tune exactly. But that causes me not to be able to copy the callsign, hence a 'agn' request and usually by now he's close enough for me to tell who it was. As far as I know, there is no rtty equavalent to CWSkimmer. The rtty signal is no more that 200hz wide mark to space. If one side of the signal is out of the tuning passband, no copy. Most contest software employs a AFC that will react fast enough on a strong signal to shift the audio. But a weaker or multiple stations will drive AFC crazy. So far ...hand/eye and ear coordination will beat weak signal AFC detection. I can tell if the station is high/low by ear, and will tune without looking at the display. but as I said, the signal is short duration, so adjustment speed/accuracy is crucial in rtty contesting. Flex has come a long way with digital contesting. CW also. When I got my first Flex...I really was afraid I wouldn't make a go of it. But the code gods at Flex have really strived to make it a contest machine. As a DXing machine, it's in contention for top group. As a contest machine, it still needs some minor tweaking. - Original Message - From: "Brian Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "flexRadio List" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps > > On Aug 30, 2008, at 12:48 PM, FireBrick wrote: > >> Hmm >> I wonder about this. >> I wonder if the speed of contesting can handle 'thinking'. >> >> My eyes watch the mark/space display, I have 'learned' how much I need >> to >> turn the mouse wheel relative to have far off to the side of the >> mark/space >> bars in the display, the mark appears to be. >> >> I don't consciously determine the number of up/down mouse detents I >> need. >> It's just reaction. >> I'm usually pretty close. >> The problem is 'timing'. >> I only have so long to get my receiver locked on to the signal before I >> miss >> the callsign. >> If I'm cqing, I have to ask for a repeat. >> If I'm S&Ping, I have to wait till he works the guy who got there first >> and >> finishes. >> >> As in life...TIMING IS EVERYTHING! > > I am not sure how wheel acceleration would break that. If you see a > station down the band and you want to pounce on it, you tune quickly and > then slow down to do the final tuning. No counting steps. It is all "by > feel". The key thing is that I want to move quickly to get near the > desired frequency and then tune slowly to zero-beat. You really want your > tuning step to be something like 100, 200, or 500 Hz per step while you > are spinning across the band and "getting in the ballpark." Once you are > within 100Hz or so you want to slow down to 1, 2, or 5 Hz per step when > you are down to tuning to zero beat. Seems that some sort of acceleration > would help rather than hinder. > > > Brian Lloyd > Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl > brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax) > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C > > > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps
On Aug 30, 2008, at 12:48 PM, FireBrick wrote: > Hmm > I wonder about this. > I wonder if the speed of contesting can handle 'thinking'. > > My eyes watch the mark/space display, I have 'learned' how much I > need to > turn the mouse wheel relative to have far off to the side of the > mark/space > bars in the display, the mark appears to be. > > I don't consciously determine the number of up/down mouse detents I > need. > It's just reaction. > I'm usually pretty close. > The problem is 'timing'. > I only have so long to get my receiver locked on to the signal > before I miss > the callsign. > If I'm cqing, I have to ask for a repeat. > If I'm S&Ping, I have to wait till he works the guy who got there > first and > finishes. > > As in life...TIMING IS EVERYTHING! I am not sure how wheel acceleration would break that. If you see a station down the band and you want to pounce on it, you tune quickly and then slow down to do the final tuning. No counting steps. It is all "by feel". The key thing is that I want to move quickly to get near the desired frequency and then tune slowly to zero-beat. You really want your tuning step to be something like 100, 200, or 500 Hz per step while you are spinning across the band and "getting in the ballpark." Once you are within 100Hz or so you want to slow down to 1, 2, or 5 Hz per step when you are down to tuning to zero beat. Seems that some sort of acceleration would help rather than hinder. Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 +1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax) PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps
Hmm I wonder about this. I wonder if the speed of contesting can handle 'thinking'. My eyes watch the mark/space display, I have 'learned' how much I need to turn the mouse wheel relative to have far off to the side of the mark/space bars in the display, the mark appears to be. I don't consciously determine the number of up/down mouse detents I need. It's just reaction. I'm usually pretty close. The problem is 'timing'. I only have so long to get my receiver locked on to the signal before I miss the callsign. If I'm cqing, I have to ask for a repeat. If I'm S&Ping, I have to wait till he works the guy who got there first and finishes. As in life...TIMING IS EVERYTHING! When I cq, I use this technique. I cq on vfob. but I receive and tune in responding stations on vfoa That way MY frequency never changes. but I still have to compensate for responders who are off that smidgin that results in no print. Software AFC helps, but is not foolproof, so I resort to mouse wheel, Shuttle center dial, or Navigator. (It aids arthritic fingers to have multiple devices) As I said, 1 or 5khz tunesteps are way to slow, 10 is just a tad too slow 50khz is too fast. User defined tune steps are my hoped for choice. A auto adjust mark/space AFC for digital would be great also. But may not be fast enough. My, and the other stations, ears are good enough for slight off frequency replies in cw, but not for digital. - Original Message - From: "Brian Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "FlexRadio List" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps >> Please add more Tune Steps. > > I would go one step further: please add acceleration to the tuning. > Tuning faster, i.e. spinning the knob or wheel, increases the step size > but when tuning slowly the step size reduces to 10Hz or even 1Hz. That > way we wouldn't have to mess with tuning step size. > > As for step size, we live in an logarithmic world. Ever wonder why > attenuators go in a 1x, 2x, 5x, 10x sequence? Think about it for tuning > steps. > > Brian Lloyd > Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl > brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax) > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C > > > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Tune steps
> Please add more Tune Steps. I would go one step further: please add acceleration to the tuning. Tuning faster, i.e. spinning the knob or wheel, increases the step size but when tuning slowly the step size reduces to 10Hz or even 1Hz. That way we wouldn't have to mess with tuning step size. As for step size, we live in an logarithmic world. Ever wonder why attenuators go in a 1x, 2x, 5x, 10x sequence? Think about it for tuning steps. Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 +1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax) PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] Tune steps
I have requested this feature before. Right now I'm contesting in the SCC RTTY championships. I'm S&P for the moment. Using Writelog, I can select a station from the Bandmap and be on his frequency quickly Well almost, sometimes do to the spotting stations inaccuracy, I will be off a bit. I can adjust this via the mouse wheel Each click of the mouse wheel is one unit of Tune Step. In RTTY, using MMTTY, I find that 10HZ in too slow But The next jump is Tune Step 50Hz And that's a tad too fast. I end up overshooting too low or too high. The other part of the problem is a slight latency between mouse wheel click and reaction by the PWSDR vfo. The shuttle Pro dial wheel suffers the same latency. Please add more Tune Steps. Suggestions: For RTTY fine tuning a 20 or 25Kh would be just about perfect. For CW contesting the gap between 1 and 10 is too large A 5Kh tunestep would be a great addition. Please consider this, it doesn't make much difference in normal rag chewing, but in crowded contest/dx situations it does. Especially with RTTY where just a tad off frequency makes the difference between good copy on weak stations. I find that Flex copies real real real well, if you can get the mark and space properly tuned in. I can copy weak stations that I can't with my other rigs. but with my other rigs I can feather the dial to more precisely tune in a station. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] tune steps
Bill, Are you tuning the radio to each signal? I know with MixW, I have the rx and tx opened up to about 4kHz and snap tune within the waterfall. Maybe I am not covering enough frequency, but if I see a strong signal outside of that I just snap tune the radio to get close and fine tune with the waterfall display.. It would be different if I was running true FSK instead of AFSK..Just the way I do it.. 73, Dudley WA5QPZ At 03:48 PM 7/7/2007, FireBrick wrote: >Now worked 2 rtty contests and 1 cw contest. >Also many rtty and cw qsos during week. > >Tune steps are too fast at 10Hz and too slow at 1Hz. >Especially in rtty where tuning is so critical and in contests must be done >quickly. >We need a 5Hz tune step. > >And...a 'Snap to Mark' feature for RTTY > >I find that the 0 Beat works...if you hit it on the mark. > >Cross hairs work well on strong signals that have a nice visible dip between >mark&space >But weak signals are another matter, much tougher and even more critical to >get the tuning right >VAC works well and Writelog or WinWarbler decodes well, no problems there. >So copying the signals is good. > >When 'running', I normally transmit on vfo b and tune stations who reply >slightly off frequency on vfo A on my Yaesu. This gave me a BIG dial to turn >and tune easily. > >I'm still trying to find a 'smooth' way of doing this with the flex. Rit is >too slow and you must move mouse from Writelog to PWSDR to do that. >One way would be to allow the Griffin to operate the XIT/RIT. >Setting the Griffin to 1kc steps would allow left hand to tune and do >keyboard and right hand for mouse grabs of calls & sn. > >I'm open to Flex Contester suggestions. > > > > >- >What happens if you get scared half to death twice? >- > >Bill H. in Chicagoland >webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ >weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org > > >___ >FlexRadio mailing list >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ >FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070707/613241fa/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] tune steps
Now worked 2 rtty contests and 1 cw contest. Also many rtty and cw qsos during week. Tune steps are too fast at 10Hz and too slow at 1Hz. Especially in rtty where tuning is so critical and in contests must be done quickly. We need a 5Hz tune step. And...a 'Snap to Mark' feature for RTTY I find that the 0 Beat works...if you hit it on the mark. Cross hairs work well on strong signals that have a nice visible dip between mark&space But weak signals are another matter, much tougher and even more critical to get the tuning right VAC works well and Writelog or WinWarbler decodes well, no problems there. So copying the signals is good. When 'running', I normally transmit on vfo b and tune stations who reply slightly off frequency on vfo A on my Yaesu. This gave me a BIG dial to turn and tune easily. I'm still trying to find a 'smooth' way of doing this with the flex. Rit is too slow and you must move mouse from Writelog to PWSDR to do that. One way would be to allow the Griffin to operate the XIT/RIT. Setting the Griffin to 1kc steps would allow left hand to tune and do keyboard and right hand for mouse grabs of calls & sn. I'm open to Flex Contester suggestions. - What happens if you get scared half to death twice? - Bill H. in Chicagoland webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
