Re: [Flexradio] knobs
Your response is interesting reading indeed. Unfortunately for me I am unable to help with the improvement of PowerSDR as I haven't a clue as to write the code to make it do what I would like. The programmers at Flex are pretty darned close, though! The most I can do is test the new versions and help with finding bugs etc. It would be nice if you could be more specific on how you would like for the interface to change. I'm not quite sure how the "SDR system" you mention would be implemented but it seems that the company is taking an important step in designing the new architecture. Perhaps with this new architecture in place your "SDR system" will be more easily realized.Edwin MarzanAB2VW _ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Brian Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > So, where's the protocol documentation? As mentioned, have a look at , and mochagui. That's enough to keep anybody busy for awhile, if you really want to contribute something. 73 Frank AB2KT -- All who think cannot but see there is a sanction like that of religion which binds us in partnership in the serious work of the world. -- B. Franklin ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
On Aug 10, 2008, at 10:51 PM, Frank Brickle wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OTOH, I can see the *HUGE* gap between what the F5K is and what it > could be. I find that gap frustrating. I hear a lot of talk about how > the next version will be the panacea but I am still waiting to hear > *how* the next version will be the panacea. > > Don't be petulant. You know perfectly well: one of the major goals > is to facilitate a unprecedented range of interface and control > paths. To let the UI be the UI and not a thin veil of buttons over > subroutine calls. > > In short, so you UI guys I am not a UI guy. I am a protocol guy. > can put your money where your mouths are. It's getting pretty close. > Maybe you want to sweat off some of that frustration by boning up on > the element in mocha. > > The Next Big Thing isn't an interface, it's a family of protocols, > most of which even a child can handle. It's up to you to make it work. So, where's the protocol documentation? -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Brian Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > OTOH, I can see the *HUGE* gap between what the F5K is and what it > could be. I find that gap frustrating. I hear a lot of talk about how > the next version will be the panacea but I am still waiting to hear > *how* the next version will be the panacea. Don't be petulant. You know perfectly well: one of the major goals is to facilitate a unprecedented range of interface and control paths. To let the UI be the UI and not a thin veil of buttons over subroutine calls. In short, so you UI guys can put your money where your mouths are. It's getting pretty close. Maybe you want to sweat off some of that frustration by boning up on the element in mocha. The Next Big Thing isn't an interface, it's a family of protocols, most of which even a child can handle. It's up to you to make it work. ;-) 73 Frank AB2KT -- All who think cannot but see there is a sanction like that of religion which binds us in partnership in the serious work of the world. -- B. Franklin ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
On Aug 10, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Edwin Marzan wrote: > Yes, the Panadaptor/Waterfall combo display did go away when the > software was "upgraded" to a higher SVN. I usually download the > latest and greatest when I see a new feature that I just have to have. > > Features I could not resist are as follows. > > K6JCA wide aspect ratio console, multi RX, Pan/Waterfall combo, > Record/Play button on console, BCI Filter button, I miss the old > style S meter but I know it will be coming back some day! I want the pan/waterfall display but can't figure out how to get it. Some comments on the list suggested it went away in 1.12. No idea what BCI filter is. Broadcast interference filter maybe? > I understand what you mean when you state that the sliders have no > kinesthetic feedback. I've been using computers since the early 90's > (not that long) and have become accustomed to how graphical > interfaces work. I have been using computers since the early '70s and have become accustomed to how graphical interfaces (and darned near every other interface for that matter -- all the way back to Hollerith cards and chain printers) work. Just because I understand them and have become accustomed to them doesn't mean I believe they are the best way to do things. Just as the Tayloe mixer followed by fast A:D is a departure from traditional radio design, maybe we should be looking for a departure from "traditional" graphical user-interface design. > PowerSDR is essentially a windows program (in it's current state) > and I would never expect it to behave differently than any other > windows program. Some things take a little time to get used to. The fact that it is a windows program and behaves like other windows programs is one of its greatest deficiencies. As GUI's go, Windows certainly strikes me as one of the worst. Is it possible to improve things? I think so. I was tossing out some ideas so that people might think outside the box. (Pun intended.) Just a thought: gamers are trying new things to improve the effectiveness and response of the UI. What can we learn from that? > On another note, it is very interesting to observe the way my fellow > hams react when I attempt to explain the possibilities when using an > SDR. Lord knows, I've demonstrated this radio with mixed reactions. > The first time I heard of this radio I knew I had to have one. I > purchased mine about a month later. Fortunately for all Flexers, the > folks at FlexRadio appear to share the same enthusiasm. The interesting thing is, I agree with you. I have a pretty good idea of the possibilities of the SDR. And right now, for amateur radio, the Flex5000 is the only game in town. That is why I bought one just as soon as I was able to also. Yeah, I voted with my dollars too. OTOH, I can see the *HUGE* gap between what the F5K is and what it could be. I find that gap frustrating. I hear a lot of talk about how the next version will be the panacea but I am still waiting to hear *how* the next version will be the panacea. > Perhaps if the mouse manufacturers can come up with a mouse that has > kinesthetic feedback your problem will be solved. I don't really have a problem. I can make it work just fine. It can be awkward because of the modes for things like the point-and-click vs. drag-n-drop, and it certainly isn't as intuitive as say a KWM2, but it is a pretty spiffy radio. (As I said, I voted with my dollars.) But right now that is all it is. I am hoping for an SDR *system* with an amazing level of integration and the ability to seamlessly distribute processing around the various devices in my network. I should be able to drop in new modems and codecs ending up with consistent integration. Having to use something like VAC to pipe audio bits to legacy digital mode programs that are forced to run on the same system is just, well, not nice. (I had to rewrite that last sentence.) So, right now, the F5K *is* just a box radio, albeit a very cool box radio. OK, it doesn't have knobs on the box but the knobs are still there. They have just moved to the computer screen. Yes, we are getting a taste of what SDR *could* be, but we are only getting a taste. Right now it is just evolutionary. I am still hoping for revolutionary. (Actually, think that the QSD/Tayloe mixer I/Q *IS* revolutionary but the rest of the F5K, most notably PowerSDR, hasn't quite caught up yet.) BTW, I mentioned the KWM2 for a reason. Have you ever considered that practically every amateur radio single-box transceiver is a copy of the KWM2? The reason is, it has a *very* good user interface. It was just *right*. And that radio is still being copied in one form or another today, 50 years after its debut. The KWM2 was revolutionary. It changed amateur radio. I am hoping that the F5K does the same thing. My fingers are crossed. BTW, I think that the F5K hardware is *extremely*
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
Yes, the Panadaptor/Waterfall combo display did go away when the software was "upgraded" to a higher SVN. I usually download the latest and greatest when I see a new feature that I just have to have. Features I could not resist are as follows. K6JCA wide aspect ratio console, multi RX, Pan/Waterfall combo, Record/Play button on console, BCI Filter button, I miss the old style S meter but I know it will be coming back some day! I understand what you mean when you state that the sliders have no kinesthetic feedback. I've been using computers since the early 90's (not that long) and have become accustomed to how graphical interfaces work. PowerSDR is essentially a windows program (in it's current state) and I would never expect it to behave differently than any other windows program. Some things take a little time to get used to. On another note, it is very interesting to observe the way my fellow hams react when I attempt to explain the possibilities when using an SDR. Lord knows, I've demonstrated this radio with mixed reactions. The first time I heard of this radio I knew I had to have one. I purchased mine about a month later. Fortunately for all Flexers, the folks at FlexRadio appear to share the same enthusiasm. Perhaps if the mouse manufacturers can come up with a mouse that has kinesthetic feedback your problem will be solved. Regards, Edwin Marzan AB2VW> CC: flexradio@flex-radio.biz> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] knobs> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:32:05 -0700> > > On Aug 10, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Edwin Marzan wrote:> > > My desire for knobs ended about 2 days after becoming familiar with > > powerSDR. Click tuning became easier with the addition of the > > Panadaptor/Waterfall combo display. If a station stops transmitting > > before I get to tune it in I can still rely upon the waterfall to > > locate the signal.> > Good idea but the combo waterfall/pan display went away in 1.12 as I > understand it. If it is still there I certainly can't find it now.> > > I also use my PC for digital video editing and have found the > > keyboard easier to use than the contour shuttle pro.> > You know, the interesting thing is that my original comment was on the > AF gain control, not tuning. It is not easy to make quick changes to > the AF gain control or make changes with any precision using the > mouse. No kinesthetic feedback like there is with a knob.> > --> > 73 de Brian, WB6RQN> Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com> > > _ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative
On Aug 10, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Ken Danser wrote: > Hello All, > > I agree on a plug-in GUI, but to set up the PowrSDR to look like an > "Vintage" rig with tubes or such, then I'll say go buy the real > thing! (Nothing Personal!) Hmm, I thought it was pretty clear I was making a joke when I talked about making the screen look like a vintage radio. OTOH, check out the SteamPunk movement. They are doing some really cool retro looking things using modern technology. > Lets make the GUI look like something out of this world (A WoW > Factor!) Maybe something in the order of 3-D. Also the standard > rigs announces USB/LSB/AM and so forth if the rig has an voice > module. Since the Flex is a SDR, no voice module is needed! > > Besides the Pan Adapter lets add some more "Flare" to PowerSDR!!! > Another thought, although I have never used any logging programs, > maybe their should be a "Button" that has the words "Log It" on it. > This way if you are working a station and would like to log it, the > "Log It" button could instantly bring up a screen that inputs info > such as Frequency, mode, time, and perhaps the signal of the > station. Then the only thing the operator would have to input is > the call sign. (With voice recognition, maybe the call sign could > be automatic!) Uh, don't most of the logging programs already do that? I know that I use Aether on my Mac when connected to the K2. All I have to do is click new log entry and type in the call and name. When running digital modes I just highlight the call and it even grabs that. -- Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd. +1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA http://www.gbmontessori.com I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupéry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
On Aug 10, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Alan NV8A wrote: > On 08/10/08 03:32 pm Brian Lloyd wrote: > >>> My desire for knobs ended about 2 days after becoming familiar >>> with powerSDR. Click tuning became easier with the addition of >>> the Panadaptor/Waterfall combo display. If a station stops >>> transmitting before I get to tune it in I can still rely upon the >>> waterfall to locate the signal. > >> Good idea but the combo waterfall/pan display went away in 1.12 as >> I understand it. If it is still there I certainly can't find it now. > > It's reappeared in one of the test or other experimental branches. Ah. I thought that was a fantastic display mode and have been looking for it. >>> I also use my PC for digital video editing and have found the >>> keyboard easier to use than the contour shuttle pro. > >> You know, the interesting thing is that my original comment was on >> the AF gain control, not tuning. It is not easy to make quick >> changes to the AF gain control or make changes with any precision >> using the mouse. No kinesthetic feedback like there is with a knob. > > > I have just (as in: about 20 minutes ago) discovered something odd. > I had read your earlier comment and thought that you might be > happier with controlling settings by placing the cursor in the > window displaying the volume (or other) setting and simply moving > the mouse wheel (does anybody use a mouse without a wheel these > days?). I was surprised, however, to find that only the first click/ > step of the wheel adjusts the setting of the box where the cursor is > placed: subsequent steps change the frequency. User interface design is a real challenge. It is NOT easy. Knowing what you want to do is one thing but then making it intuitive to do it is yet another. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
On 08/10/08 03:32 pm Brian Lloyd wrote: >> My desire for knobs ended about 2 days after becoming familiar with >> powerSDR. Click tuning became easier with the addition of the >> Panadaptor/Waterfall combo display. If a station stops transmitting >> before I get to tune it in I can still rely upon the waterfall to >> locate the signal. > Good idea but the combo waterfall/pan display went away in 1.12 as I > understand it. If it is still there I certainly can't find it now. It's reappeared in one of the test or other experimental branches. >> I also use my PC for digital video editing and have found the >> keyboard easier to use than the contour shuttle pro. > You know, the interesting thing is that my original comment was on the > AF gain control, not tuning. It is not easy to make quick changes to > the AF gain control or make changes with any precision using the > mouse. No kinesthetic feedback like there is with a knob. I have just (as in: about 20 minutes ago) discovered something odd. I had read your earlier comment and thought that you might be happier with controlling settings by placing the cursor in the window displaying the volume (or other) setting and simply moving the mouse wheel (does anybody use a mouse without a wheel these days?). I was surprised, however, to find that only the first click/step of the wheel adjusts the setting of the box where the cursor is placed: subsequent steps change the frequency. 73 Alan NV8A ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
On Aug 10, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Edwin Marzan wrote: > My desire for knobs ended about 2 days after becoming familiar with > powerSDR. Click tuning became easier with the addition of the > Panadaptor/Waterfall combo display. If a station stops transmitting > before I get to tune it in I can still rely upon the waterfall to > locate the signal. Good idea but the combo waterfall/pan display went away in 1.12 as I understand it. If it is still there I certainly can't find it now. > I also use my PC for digital video editing and have found the > keyboard easier to use than the contour shuttle pro. You know, the interesting thing is that my original comment was on the AF gain control, not tuning. It is not easy to make quick changes to the AF gain control or make changes with any precision using the mouse. No kinesthetic feedback like there is with a knob. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative
Hello All, I agree on a plug-in GUI, but to set up the PowrSDR to look like an "Vintage" rig with tubes or such, then I'll say go buy the real thing! (Nothing Personal!) Lets make the GUI look like something out of this world (A WoW Factor!) Maybe something in the order of 3-D. Also the standard rigs announces USB/LSB/AM and so forth if the rig has an voice module. Since the Flex is a SDR, no voice module is needed! Besides the Pan Adapter lets add some more "Flare" to PowerSDR!!! Another thought, although I have never used any logging programs, maybe their should be a "Button" that has the words "Log It" on it. This way if you are working a station and would like to log it, the "Log It" button could instantly bring up a screen that inputs info such as Frequency, mode, time, and perhaps the signal of the station. Then the only thing the operator would have to input is the call sign. (With voice recognition, maybe the call sign could be automatic!) The Sky is the Limit!!! Enjoy Flexing!!! Ken K3YI - Original Message From: Brian Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 2:30:17 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Ted wrote: > I miss the D'Arsonval S-meters with the face edge lit by a #47 bulb. But you want the kind with the arrow pointer. You know, we have been thinking about this all wrong! The *real* future for PowerSDR is with plug-in GUI components. That way we can construct a transceiver that looks any way we want it to! You can have a Magic Eye tube plug-in and then tie that to any indication function. I'm thinking that the Magic Eye tube would be AWESOME as an ALC indicator. And you have to have the massive edge-lit cream colored S- meter. There should even be a drop-in screen that shows a couple of 811s. As you transmit the cathode ray glow on the glass flickers in time with your modulation. If you are pushing the radio hard you can even see the plates start to glow deep red. Frequency read-out should be with nixie tubes and controlled by a National HRO tuning dial. The possibilities are endless! -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
My desire for knobs ended about 2 days after becoming familiar with powerSDR. Click tuning became easier with the addition of the Panadaptor/Waterfall combo display. If a station stops transmitting before I get to tune it in I can still rely upon the waterfall to locate the signal. I also use my PC for digital video editing and have found the keyboard easier to use than the contour shuttle pro. Just my 2 cents!Edwin Marzan AB2VW > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 > 10:11:28 -0700> Subject: [Flexradio] knobs> > I know, "Real radios don't need > knobs," but until you really change > the architecture of the system, they > sure are nice to have. In fact, > the knobs are still there but you have to > use a mouse to move them. My > Griffin Powermate VFO knob is still back > ordered along with my second > RX so in the mean time I have been using the > mouse to do all the > twiddling on the radio.> > Personally I find the > sliders annoying. I have finally set the AF gain > to a reasonable level and > resorted to using the knob on the front of > the speakers. It is *much* more > convenient than trying to grab the > volume slider on the screen with the > mouse pointer. I can find and > turn that knob Right Now when my wife says > something to me.> > And tuning is a bit awkward as well. I find I use the > mouse scroll- > wheel the most. I have it set to 100Hz/step so I can move > pretty > rapidly across the band but even that is awkward as it is too corse > > for final tuning of voice or CW (or anything) and too fine for moving > > really rapidly. I am looking forward to that Griffin knob.> > I have tried > the point-n-click tuning but find I keep making the same > mistake (call it > brain flatulence). I right click to enable then left > click on the signal in > the pan display. But when I do that I never get > it quite right and my > tendency is to want to grab the pan display > background with the left mouse > pointer to drag-tune. Oops -- forgot to > right-click the tune pointer off. > Of course, now I am nowhere near > where I was before and I wasn't paying > attention to the exact > frequency so getting back is usually by guess and by > god. (Oh, and I > keep thinking that I need to click where I want the BFO > injection to > be, not in the center of the signal. Too clever for my own > good, eh?)> > OK, enough with the complaints. Let's be productive.> > I want > some knobs. I want real knobs too. There is something > ergonomically right > about a knob in that you can find it in the dark > and feel where you are in > its adjustment range when you are moving it > especially if it has some kind > of detent or pointer. Yes, I suspect > that once we get to Bob's and Frank's > "cognitive radio" we might not > need the knobs but for now, I want something > I can grab-n-tweak > instead of drag-n-drop. Has anyone made PowerSDR work > with any of the > MIDI control surfaces that are readily available? (I have a > control > surface I use for recording.) I am also open to other ideas as > well.> > (Yes, I looked on the KB and FAQ but didn't find it. If it is there > I > apologize for wasting people's time here. Thanks!)> > BTW, one of the > things I do for fun is design aircraft cockpits for > experimental aircraft. > The goal there is to make hand placement as > natural as possible while still > flying the airplane. I do a fair bit > of formation flying where I am all of > 5' away from another airplane > while going 200 mph. Looking into the cockpit > to find a switch or knob > or switching hands on the stick in order to find a > switch on the other > side of the cockpit is NOT an option. So being able to > find and work > all the controls without having to look or remove my right > hand from > the stick is rather important to me. :-) I guess this spills over > into > working the radios too.> > --> > 73 de Brian, WB6RQN> Brian Lloyd - > brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com> > > > > > ___> FlexRadio Systems Mailing > List> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz> > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz> > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/> Knowledge > Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/> _ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative
On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Ted wrote: > I miss the D'Arsonval S-meters with the face edge lit by a #47 bulb. But you want the kind with the arrow pointer. You know, we have been thinking about this all wrong! The *real* future for PowerSDR is with plug-in GUI components. That way we can construct a transceiver that looks any way we want it to! You can have a Magic Eye tube plug-in and then tie that to any indication function. I'm thinking that the Magic Eye tube would be AWESOME as an ALC indicator. And you have to have the massive edge-lit cream colored S- meter. There should even be a drop-in screen that shows a couple of 811s. As you transmit the cathode ray glow on the glass flickers in time with your modulation. If you are pushing the radio hard you can even see the plates start to glow deep red. Frequency read-out should be with nixie tubes and controlled by a National HRO tuning dial. The possibilities are endless! -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative
I miss the D'Arsonval S-meters with the face edge lit by a #47 bulb. - Original Message From: Brian Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Lee Mushel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: FlexRadio List Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 4:44:07 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative On Aug 9, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Lee Mushel wrote: > It is truly a beautiful modification! Of course the knob is totally > non-functional but it does satisfy the old timers desire for > familiarity and > non-ham visitors to the shack no longer ask how does it work type > questions! Sounds pretty! Now it just needs a magic eye tube, a meter, and a couple 6146s with their filaments lit. No, it needs to be an 811 with the directly-heated cathode. Much prettier. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
Brian: There was a time when I missed a knob, but that is no longer the case. I use a Logitech LX3 mouse and a G-11 gaming keyboard. The mouse has a tilt wheel for fast tuning. But that being said there are even better ones out there, (Logitech VX series) I use a modified version the "hotwheel" program that was created by OH2BFO. The G-11 keyboard has 18 programmable keys. I programmed these keys to control the number pad commands that are in the "hotwheel" program. The hotwheel program can be configured to transfer the SDR keboard shortcuts to the number pad. I have modified the Hotwheel program to perform the functions that I want. I able to control the following functions on the keyboard regardless of where the program focus is. I can be in the logging program and still have complete control of my choice of 18 functions on the SDR console (without the focus being on the SDR console). The functions that I settled on are as follows: (these can be changed) Tuning rate up Tuning rate down Rit up (for off freq stations) RIT down (for off freq stations) Focus (same as Alt +Tab but in one key stroke) VFO A<>B CW UP CW Dn Filter width up Filter width Dn AGC-T UP AGC-T DN Cycle Preamp VFO A>B Set freq Recall Split Volume up Volume Dn All the above and the mouse wheel (turn and tilt) allow me to do it all (well the important stuff) I did have the ability to change bands and modes programmed. But I gave that up for other functions because I was able to that from the logging program. My configuration is set up with contesting in mind. But, you could select different "hotwheel" set ups for different operating preferences. If for some reason I ever need to click on the SDR console like to perform some function that I do not have programmed., all I have to do is hit the focus button and I'm back to the logging program. The 18 extra keys are located on the left side of the keyboard which in convenient. All keys are labeled with a 1 template It took a little time to set up and get use to it, but now I have absolutely no desire for a knob of any kind. It would be to much effort to reach over and turn it.. Hi Mark NU8Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 1:11 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Reflector Subject: [Flexradio] knobs I know, "Real radios don't need knobs," but until you really change the architecture of the system, they sure are nice to have. In fact, the knobs are still there but you have to use a mouse to move them. My Griffin Powermate VFO knob is still back ordered along with my second RX so in the mean time I have been using the mouse to do all the twiddling on the radio. Personally I find the sliders annoying. I have finally set the AF gain to a reasonable level and resorted to using the knob on the front of the speakers. It is *much* more convenient than trying to grab the volume slider on the screen with the mouse pointer. I can find and turn that knob Right Now when my wife says something to me. And tuning is a bit awkward as well. I find I use the mouse scroll- wheel the most. I have it set to 100Hz/step so I can move pretty rapidly across the band but even that is awkward as it is too corse for final tuning of voice or CW (or anything) and too fine for moving really rapidly. I am looking forward to that Griffin knob. I have tried the point-n-click tuning but find I keep making the same mistake (call it brain flatulence). I right click to enable then left click on the signal in the pan display. But when I do that I never get it quite right and my tendency is to want to grab the pan display background with the left mouse pointer to drag-tune. Oops -- forgot to right-click the tune pointer off. Of course, now I am nowhere near where I was before and I wasn't paying attention to the exact frequency so getting back is usually by guess and by god. (Oh, and I keep thinking that I need to click where I want the BFO injection to be, not in the center of the signal. Too clever for my own good, eh?) OK, enough with the complaints. Let's be productive. I want some knobs. I want real knobs too. There is something ergonomically right about a knob in that you can find it in the dark and feel where you are in its adjustment range when you are moving it especially if it has some kind of detent or pointer. Yes, I suspect that once we get to Bob's and Frank's "cognitive radio" we might not need the knobs but for now, I want something I can grab-n-tweak instead of drag-n-drop. Has anyone made PowerSDR work with any of the MIDI control surfaces that are readily available? (I have a control surface I use for recording.) I am also open to other ideas as well. (Yes, I looked on the KB and FAQ but didn't find it. If it is there I apologize for wasting
Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative
On Aug 9, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Lee Mushel wrote: > It is truly a beautiful modification! Of course the knob is totally > non-functional but it does satisfy the old timers desire for > familiarity and > non-ham visitors to the shack no longer ask how does it work type > questions! Sounds pretty! Now it just needs a magic eye tube, a meter, and a couple 6146s with their filaments lit. No, it needs to be an 811 with the directly-heated cathode. Much prettier. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
On Aug 9, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Jerry Flanders wrote: > Is there a way to use the "special" buttons and knobs we often have > on modern keyboards to control PowerSDR? I am typing this on a HP > keyboard that has about 18 extra buttons as well as a volume control > knob. Seems like I could be tuning with that volume control and using > the others for other special functions. Probably re-direct their > function somehow... That is kinda what I was asking about WRT MIDI control surfaces, i.e. this function, e.g. AF gain, is tied to this slider which is MIDI control ID foo. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
On Aug 9, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Jerry Flanders wrote: > Wow. Exactly the opposite for me. I like the PowerSDR click > interface and find it completely intuitive to click tune (and mouse > wheel fine tune), etc. It has become my preferred way to operate. Ever since I first used vi I found stateful user interfaces to be a pain. Once I found emacs I never went back. The problem is, when a button or knob changes function depending on what you have done before, you are going to get errors and confusion. The behavior of the left mouse button changes depending on what I just did with the right mouse button. The school of UI design I went to says that is a bad idea. push-on/push-off buttons are next on the bad-idea hit parade. You can't tell easily what state they are in. > In fact, in a recent RTTY contest I used the PowerSDR interface > almost exclusively to tune my K3 through a LP-Bridge&PowerSDR > panadaptor interface. (WU2X's version of PowerSDR and N8LP's Bridge > make an AWESOME panadaptor for the K3.) Sounds like it works fine for you. > Brian, I think if I had that much trouble operating PowerSDR I would > give up flying 5 ft away from another airplane at 200 MPH. Seriously! That part is easy. It is this non-intuitive stuff that is hard. :-) Maybe we should just settle on the fact that my head is in the wrong place. ;-) All kidding aside, the UI for an airplane is pretty amazingly intuitive. Yes it requires skill but you won't find the UI changing depending on state, well with the exception of some badly designed radios. :-) > A tip - leave the cursor in clicktune mode. If you ever switch it to > move a filter edge, immediately switch back as soon as the filter > change is completed. Hmmm. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative
If you want a pic and if I have your email address I will certainly be sure to take one and send it to you! Please keep in mind that I did this last night during the parade of the olympians---I did watch the fireworks but lost interest later. I will take the pic as soon as I can find some time but please keep in mind that I have two sick dogs right now that need attention! Lee K9WRU - Original Message - From: "Jim Jerzycke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lee Mushel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "FlexRadio List" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative > Hmaybe attach a Griffin PowerMate to the back > of the National knob, and run the usb cale out the > back to the PC?? > 73, Jim KQ6EA > > --- Lee Mushel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > First let me say that before I explain my feelings > > about knobs you should > > know that my dad always had extra holes put on his > > Buicks. He always had > > six-holers, for example, so I do naturally come by > > the desire for a slightly > > different, or unique, appearance. I've listened > > to the complaints about > > no-knob awkwardness and will admit that since I have > > no interest in the > > operating side of the hobby I can't criticize these > > feelings. And I've > > listened to the complaints that Gerald has failed to > > appreciate the esthetic > > side of the application by providing only a > > functional package while > > ignoring possible artistic elements and > > enhancements. > > > > So, I believe I have resolved the lack of knob issue > > with minimum of fuss. > > I think it was Eric who pointed out that removal of > > the front panel was the > > simple loosening of six tiny screws, removal of the > > key jack nut and > > unplugging the mike connector. After this was done > > a hole was drilled at > > the centered location that avoided the boards. > > This was an important > > factor for me since in 1959 I had drilled a hole > > into the chassis of an > > HQ-180 and thence directly into the band switch. > > And then a standard > > quarter inch shaft bushing was installed. You > > probably should protect the > > front panel paint job with tape before drilling. > > Then I cut the head off a > > shoulder bolt with dimensions that were appropriate > > for my situation and > > mounted the big National Radio HRO knob which > > covers approximately 30% of > > the front panel area! > > > > It is truly a beautiful modification! Of course > > the knob is totally > > non-functional but it does satisfy the old timers > > desire for familiarity and > > non-ham visitors to the shack no longer ask how does > > it work type questions! > > > > 73 > > > > Lee K9WRU > > - Original Message - > > From: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "FlexRadio List" > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:32 PM > > Subject: [Flexradio] knobs alternative > > > > > > > Actually it's not an alternative. > > > It's a real knob. Navigator. > > > > > > Used with Ed Russel's, w2rf, svn, it gives you two > > choices. > > > > > > In contesting, especially digital contesting you > > really need two hands. > > > One for fine tuning frequency and the other for > > mouse 'grabs' or keyboard. > > > > > > I found the Navigator easy to use for fine tuning > > with my left hand. > > > Just like I used to do it with a big box radio. > > > > > > Haven't tried the Shuttle... > > > > > > - > > > Bill H. in Chicagoland > > > webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ > > > Current Weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org > > > > > > ___ > > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > > > > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > > Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > > Homepage: > > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
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Hmaybe attach a Griffin PowerMate to the back of the National knob, and run the usb cale out the back to the PC?? 73, Jim KQ6EA --- Lee Mushel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Folks, > > First let me say that before I explain my feelings > about knobs you should > know that my dad always had extra holes put on his > Buicks. He always had > six-holers, for example, so I do naturally come by > the desire for a slightly > different, or unique, appearance. I've listened > to the complaints about > no-knob awkwardness and will admit that since I have > no interest in the > operating side of the hobby I can't criticize these > feelings. And I've > listened to the complaints that Gerald has failed to > appreciate the esthetic > side of the application by providing only a > functional package while > ignoring possible artistic elements and > enhancements. > > So, I believe I have resolved the lack of knob issue > with minimum of fuss. > I think it was Eric who pointed out that removal of > the front panel was the > simple loosening of six tiny screws, removal of the > key jack nut and > unplugging the mike connector. After this was done > a hole was drilled at > the centered location that avoided the boards. > This was an important > factor for me since in 1959 I had drilled a hole > into the chassis of an > HQ-180 and thence directly into the band switch. > And then a standard > quarter inch shaft bushing was installed. You > probably should protect the > front panel paint job with tape before drilling. > Then I cut the head off a > shoulder bolt with dimensions that were appropriate > for my situation and > mounted the big National Radio HRO knob which > covers approximately 30% of > the front panel area! > > It is truly a beautiful modification! Of course > the knob is totally > non-functional but it does satisfy the old timers > desire for familiarity and > non-ham visitors to the shack no longer ask how does > it work type questions! > > 73 > > Lee K9WRU > - Original Message - > From: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "FlexRadio List" > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:32 PM > Subject: [Flexradio] knobs alternative > > > > Actually it's not an alternative. > > It's a real knob. Navigator. > > > > Used with Ed Russel's, w2rf, svn, it gives you two > choices. > > > > In contesting, especially digital contesting you > really need two hands. > > One for fine tuning frequency and the other for > mouse 'grabs' or keyboard. > > > > I found the Navigator easy to use for fine tuning > with my left hand. > > Just like I used to do it with a big box radio. > > > > Haven't tried the Shuttle... > > > > - > > Bill H. in Chicagoland > > webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ > > Current Weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ > Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > > > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
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So where the picture??? LOL - Original Message - From: "Lee Mushel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "FlexRadio List" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative > Folks, > > First let me say that before I explain my feelings about knobs you should > know that my dad always had extra holes put on his Buicks. He always had > six-holers, for example, so I do naturally come by the desire for a > slightly > different, or unique, appearance. I've listened to the complaints about > no-knob awkwardness and will admit that since I have no interest in the > operating side of the hobby I can't criticize these feelings. And I've > listened to the complaints that Gerald has failed to appreciate the > esthetic > side of the application by providing only a functional package while > ignoring possible artistic elements and enhancements. > > So, I believe I have resolved the lack of knob issue with minimum of fuss. > I think it was Eric who pointed out that removal of the front panel was > the > simple loosening of six tiny screws, removal of the key jack nut and > unplugging the mike connector. After this was done a hole was drilled at > the centered location that avoided the boards. This was an important > factor for me since in 1959 I had drilled a hole into the chassis of an > HQ-180 and thence directly into the band switch. And then a standard > quarter inch shaft bushing was installed. You probably should protect > the > front panel paint job with tape before drilling. Then I cut the head off > a > shoulder bolt with dimensions that were appropriate for my situation and > mounted the big National Radio HRO knob which covers approximately 30% of > the front panel area! > > It is truly a beautiful modification! Of course the knob is totally > non-functional but it does satisfy the old timers desire for familiarity > and > non-ham visitors to the shack no longer ask how does it work type > questions! > > 73 > > Lee K9WRU > - Original Message - > From: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "FlexRadio List" > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:32 PM > Subject: [Flexradio] knobs alternative > > >> Actually it's not an alternative. >> It's a real knob. Navigator. >> >> Used with Ed Russel's, w2rf, svn, it gives you two choices. >> >> In contesting, especially digital contesting you really need two hands. >> One for fine tuning frequency and the other for mouse 'grabs' or >> keyboard. >> >> I found the Navigator easy to use for fine tuning with my left hand. >> Just like I used to do it with a big box radio. >> >> Haven't tried the Shuttle... >> >> - >> Bill H. in Chicagoland >> webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ >> Current Weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org >> >> ___ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >> Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ >> >> > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs alternative
Folks, First let me say that before I explain my feelings about knobs you should know that my dad always had extra holes put on his Buicks. He always had six-holers, for example, so I do naturally come by the desire for a slightly different, or unique, appearance. I've listened to the complaints about no-knob awkwardness and will admit that since I have no interest in the operating side of the hobby I can't criticize these feelings. And I've listened to the complaints that Gerald has failed to appreciate the esthetic side of the application by providing only a functional package while ignoring possible artistic elements and enhancements. So, I believe I have resolved the lack of knob issue with minimum of fuss. I think it was Eric who pointed out that removal of the front panel was the simple loosening of six tiny screws, removal of the key jack nut and unplugging the mike connector. After this was done a hole was drilled at the centered location that avoided the boards. This was an important factor for me since in 1959 I had drilled a hole into the chassis of an HQ-180 and thence directly into the band switch. And then a standard quarter inch shaft bushing was installed. You probably should protect the front panel paint job with tape before drilling. Then I cut the head off a shoulder bolt with dimensions that were appropriate for my situation and mounted the big National Radio HRO knob which covers approximately 30% of the front panel area! It is truly a beautiful modification! Of course the knob is totally non-functional but it does satisfy the old timers desire for familiarity and non-ham visitors to the shack no longer ask how does it work type questions! 73 Lee K9WRU - Original Message - From: "FireBrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FlexRadio List" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: [Flexradio] knobs alternative > Actually it's not an alternative. > It's a real knob. Navigator. > > Used with Ed Russel's, w2rf, svn, it gives you two choices. > > In contesting, especially digital contesting you really need two hands. > One for fine tuning frequency and the other for mouse 'grabs' or keyboard. > > I found the Navigator easy to use for fine tuning with my left hand. > Just like I used to do it with a big box radio. > > Haven't tried the Shuttle... > > - > Bill H. in Chicagoland > webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ > Current Weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
Brian, Not sure if you're aware of it or not, but depressing the 'SHIFT' key while tuning with the mouse wheel drops it's tuning step by a factor of 10. So if you don't mind two-fisted operation, you'll find that you can really get around the band and still fine-tune cw and ssb stations very quickly using that method. Also, not all mouse wheels are created equal. I've switched to using several Logitech wireless mice that allow the mouse wheel to either 'free-wheel' (my favorite mode) or operate with the usual detents. I use their model "VX Revolution" with the laptop, and the "MX Revolution" with the desktop. I also have the Shuttle Pro2, which works well, but I've found that nothing is faster than 'click tuning', and since my hand is already on the mouse, using the free-wheeling mouse wheel in combination with the 'shift' key is a mighty efficient tuning method. However, the many programmable buttons on the ShuttlePro2 do come in handy for other non-tuning operations. 73, Dale WA8SRA Brian Lloyd wrote: > I know, "Real radios don't need knobs," but until you really change > the architecture of the system, they sure are nice to have. In fact, > the knobs are still there but you have to use a mouse to move them. My > Griffin Powermate VFO knob is still back ordered along with my second > RX so in the mean time I have been using the mouse to do all the > twiddling on the radio. > > Personally I find the sliders annoying. I have finally set the AF gain > to a reasonable level and resorted to using the knob on the front of > the speakers. It is *much* more convenient than trying to grab the > volume slider on the screen with the mouse pointer. I can find and > turn that knob Right Now when my wife says something to me. > > And tuning is a bit awkward as well. I find I use the mouse scroll- > wheel the most. I have it set to 100Hz/step so I can move pretty > rapidly across the band but even that is awkward as it is too corse > for final tuning of voice or CW (or anything) and too fine for moving > really rapidly. I am looking forward to that Griffin knob. > > I have tried the point-n-click tuning but find I keep making the same > mistake (call it brain flatulence). I right click to enable then left > click on the signal in the pan display. But when I do that I never get > it quite right and my tendency is to want to grab the pan display > background with the left mouse pointer to drag-tune. Oops -- forgot to > right-click the tune pointer off. Of course, now I am nowhere near > where I was before and I wasn't paying attention to the exact > frequency so getting back is usually by guess and by god. (Oh, and I > keep thinking that I need to click where I want the BFO injection to > be, not in the center of the signal. Too clever for my own good, eh?) > > OK, enough with the complaints. Let's be productive. > > I want some knobs. I want real knobs too. There is something > ergonomically right about a knob in that you can find it in the dark > and feel where you are in its adjustment range when you are moving it > especially if it has some kind of detent or pointer. Yes, I suspect > that once we get to Bob's and Frank's "cognitive radio" we might not > need the knobs but for now, I want something I can grab-n-tweak > instead of drag-n-drop. Has anyone made PowerSDR work with any of the > MIDI control surfaces that are readily available? (I have a control > surface I use for recording.) I am also open to other ideas as well. > > (Yes, I looked on the KB and FAQ but didn't find it. If it is there I > apologize for wasting people's time here. Thanks!) > > BTW, one of the things I do for fun is design aircraft cockpits for > experimental aircraft. The goal there is to make hand placement as > natural as possible while still flying the airplane. I do a fair bit > of formation flying where I am all of 5' away from another airplane > while going 200 mph. Looking into the cockpit to find a switch or knob > or switching hands on the stick in order to find a switch on the other > side of the cockpit is NOT an option. So being able to find and work > all the controls without having to look or remove my right hand from > the stick is rather important to me. :-) I guess this spills over into > working the radios too. > > -- > > 73 de Brian, WB6RQN > Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com > > > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-arc
[Flexradio] knobs alternative
Actually it's not an alternative. It's a real knob. Navigator. Used with Ed Russel's, w2rf, svn, it gives you two choices. In contesting, especially digital contesting you really need two hands. One for fine tuning frequency and the other for mouse 'grabs' or keyboard. I found the Navigator easy to use for fine tuning with my left hand. Just like I used to do it with a big box radio. Haven't tried the Shuttle... - Bill H. in Chicagoland webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ Current Weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
Is there a way to use the "special" buttons and knobs we often have on modern keyboards to control PowerSDR? I am typing this on a HP keyboard that has about 18 extra buttons as well as a volume control knob. Seems like I could be tuning with that volume control and using the others for other special functions. Probably re-direct their function somehow... Jerry w4UK At 01:11 PM 8/9/2008, Brian Lloyd wrote: >I know, "Real radios don't need knobs," but until you really change >the architecture of the system, they sure are nice to have. In fact, >the knobs are still there but you have to use a mouse to move them. My >Griffin Powermate VFO knob is still back ordered along with my second >RX so in the mean time I have been using the mouse to do all the >twiddling on the radio. > >Personally I find the sliders annoying. I have finally set the AF gain >to a reasonable level and resorted to using the knob on the front of >the speakers. It is *much* more convenient than trying to grab the >volume slider on the screen with the mouse pointer. I can find and >turn that knob Right Now when my wife says something to me. > >And tuning is a bit awkward as well. I find I use the mouse scroll- >wheel the most. I have it set to 100Hz/step so I can move pretty >rapidly across the band but even that is awkward as it is too corse >for final tuning of voice or CW (or anything) and too fine for moving >really rapidly. I am looking forward to that Griffin knob. > >I have tried the point-n-click tuning but find I keep making the same >mistake (call it brain flatulence). I right click to enable then left >click on the signal in the pan display. But when I do that I never get >it quite right and my tendency is to want to grab the pan display >background with the left mouse pointer to drag-tune. Oops -- forgot to >right-click the tune pointer off. Of course, now I am nowhere near >where I was before and I wasn't paying attention to the exact >frequency so getting back is usually by guess and by god. (Oh, and I >keep thinking that I need to click where I want the BFO injection to >be, not in the center of the signal. Too clever for my own good, eh?) > >OK, enough with the complaints. Let's be productive. > >I want some knobs. I want real knobs too. There is something >ergonomically right about a knob in that you can find it in the dark >and feel where you are in its adjustment range when you are moving it >especially if it has some kind of detent or pointer. Yes, I suspect >that once we get to Bob's and Frank's "cognitive radio" we might not >need the knobs but for now, I want something I can grab-n-tweak >instead of drag-n-drop. Has anyone made PowerSDR work with any of the >MIDI control surfaces that are readily available? (I have a control >surface I use for recording.) I am also open to other ideas as well. > >(Yes, I looked on the KB and FAQ but didn't find it. If it is there I >apologize for wasting people's time here. Thanks!) > >BTW, one of the things I do for fun is design aircraft cockpits for >experimental aircraft. The goal there is to make hand placement as >natural as possible while still flying the airplane. I do a fair bit >of formation flying where I am all of 5' away from another airplane >while going 200 mph. Looking into the cockpit to find a switch or knob >or switching hands on the stick in order to find a switch on the other >side of the cockpit is NOT an option. So being able to find and work >all the controls without having to look or remove my right hand from >the stick is rather important to me. :-) I guess this spills over into >working the radios too. > >-- > >73 de Brian, WB6RQN >Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com > > > > >___ >FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] knobs
Wow. Exactly the opposite for me. I like the PowerSDR click interface and find it completely intuitive to click tune (and mouse wheel fine tune), etc. It has become my preferred way to operate. In fact, in a recent RTTY contest I used the PowerSDR interface almost exclusively to tune my K3 through a LP-Bridge&PowerSDR panadaptor interface. (WU2X's version of PowerSDR and N8LP's Bridge make an AWESOME panadaptor for the K3.) Brian, I think if I had that much trouble operating PowerSDR I would give up flying 5 ft away from another airplane at 200 MPH. Seriously! A tip - leave the cursor in clicktune mode. If you ever switch it to move a filter edge, immediately switch back as soon as the filter change is completed. Jerry W4UK At 01:11 PM 8/9/2008, you wrote: >I know, "Real radios don't need knobs," but until you really change >the architecture of the system, they sure are nice to have. In fact, >the knobs are still there but you have to use a mouse to move them. My >Griffin Powermate VFO knob is still back ordered along with my second >RX so in the mean time I have been using the mouse to do all the >twiddling on the radio. > >Personally I find the sliders annoying. I have finally set the AF gain >to a reasonable level and resorted to using the knob on the front of >the speakers. It is *much* more convenient than trying to grab the >volume slider on the screen with the mouse pointer. I can find and >turn that knob Right Now when my wife says something to me. > >And tuning is a bit awkward as well. I find I use the mouse scroll- >wheel the most. I have it set to 100Hz/step so I can move pretty >rapidly across the band but even that is awkward as it is too corse >for final tuning of voice or CW (or anything) and too fine for moving >really rapidly. I am looking forward to that Griffin knob. > >I have tried the point-n-click tuning but find I keep making the same >mistake (call it brain flatulence). I right click to enable then left >click on the signal in the pan display. But when I do that I never get >it quite right and my tendency is to want to grab the pan display >background with the left mouse pointer to drag-tune. Oops -- forgot to >right-click the tune pointer off. Of course, now I am nowhere near >where I was before and I wasn't paying attention to the exact >frequency so getting back is usually by guess and by god. (Oh, and I >keep thinking that I need to click where I want the BFO injection to >be, not in the center of the signal. Too clever for my own good, eh?) > >OK, enough with the complaints. Let's be productive. > >I want some knobs. I want real knobs too. There is something >ergonomically right about a knob in that you can find it in the dark >and feel where you are in its adjustment range when you are moving it >especially if it has some kind of detent or pointer. Yes, I suspect >that once we get to Bob's and Frank's "cognitive radio" we might not >need the knobs but for now, I want something I can grab-n-tweak >instead of drag-n-drop. Has anyone made PowerSDR work with any of the >MIDI control surfaces that are readily available? (I have a control >surface I use for recording.) I am also open to other ideas as well. > >(Yes, I looked on the KB and FAQ but didn't find it. If it is there I >apologize for wasting people's time here. Thanks!) > >BTW, one of the things I do for fun is design aircraft cockpits for >experimental aircraft. The goal there is to make hand placement as >natural as possible while still flying the airplane. I do a fair bit >of formation flying where I am all of 5' away from another airplane >while going 200 mph. Looking into the cockpit to find a switch or knob >or switching hands on the stick in order to find a switch on the other >side of the cockpit is NOT an option. So being able to find and work >all the controls without having to look or remove my right hand from >the stick is rather important to me. :-) I guess this spills over into >working the radios too. > >-- > >73 de Brian, WB6RQN >Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com > > > > >___ >FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] knobs
If you want to tune the radio rapidly just right click off the cursor and left click the panasapter. A little hand will grab the screen and you can tune as fast or slow as you want. Right click the cursor on again and you have 1hz resolution. It might be nice to make the mouse wheel click button toggle the hand. Then if push down on the wheel you get the hand, release and you get wheel and cursor 73 W9OY ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] knobs
I know, "Real radios don't need knobs," but until you really change the architecture of the system, they sure are nice to have. In fact, the knobs are still there but you have to use a mouse to move them. My Griffin Powermate VFO knob is still back ordered along with my second RX so in the mean time I have been using the mouse to do all the twiddling on the radio. Personally I find the sliders annoying. I have finally set the AF gain to a reasonable level and resorted to using the knob on the front of the speakers. It is *much* more convenient than trying to grab the volume slider on the screen with the mouse pointer. I can find and turn that knob Right Now when my wife says something to me. And tuning is a bit awkward as well. I find I use the mouse scroll- wheel the most. I have it set to 100Hz/step so I can move pretty rapidly across the band but even that is awkward as it is too corse for final tuning of voice or CW (or anything) and too fine for moving really rapidly. I am looking forward to that Griffin knob. I have tried the point-n-click tuning but find I keep making the same mistake (call it brain flatulence). I right click to enable then left click on the signal in the pan display. But when I do that I never get it quite right and my tendency is to want to grab the pan display background with the left mouse pointer to drag-tune. Oops -- forgot to right-click the tune pointer off. Of course, now I am nowhere near where I was before and I wasn't paying attention to the exact frequency so getting back is usually by guess and by god. (Oh, and I keep thinking that I need to click where I want the BFO injection to be, not in the center of the signal. Too clever for my own good, eh?) OK, enough with the complaints. Let's be productive. I want some knobs. I want real knobs too. There is something ergonomically right about a knob in that you can find it in the dark and feel where you are in its adjustment range when you are moving it especially if it has some kind of detent or pointer. Yes, I suspect that once we get to Bob's and Frank's "cognitive radio" we might not need the knobs but for now, I want something I can grab-n-tweak instead of drag-n-drop. Has anyone made PowerSDR work with any of the MIDI control surfaces that are readily available? (I have a control surface I use for recording.) I am also open to other ideas as well. (Yes, I looked on the KB and FAQ but didn't find it. If it is there I apologize for wasting people's time here. Thanks!) BTW, one of the things I do for fun is design aircraft cockpits for experimental aircraft. The goal there is to make hand placement as natural as possible while still flying the airplane. I do a fair bit of formation flying where I am all of 5' away from another airplane while going 200 mph. Looking into the cockpit to find a switch or knob or switching hands on the stick in order to find a switch on the other side of the cockpit is NOT an option. So being able to find and work all the controls without having to look or remove my right hand from the stick is rather important to me. :-) I guess this spills over into working the radios too. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] KNOBS
Had to send my SDR 1000 back for a little fixing. Having to use a rig w/ a knob ... boy, what a drag. Give me back my panadapter. 73/Crit/K4BXN ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] knobs
I can't pass this one! The guy who got me into this game the first time and again recently, was a knob twister's poster boy. This guy couldn't leave a knob un-turned on ANYTHING! We even set little traps for him like a box with a 1/4-20 bolt and a knob. He would spin that knob for several minutes every time before he realized he was had. He is terrified that my sdr1k will out-perform his new latest and greatest from ten-tec!! I think it's because he won't have any knobs to turn! Jim W4YXU ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
