Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
YES! Look at the Tivo. Standalone box. Completely plug play. Linux on the inside. Output to standard audio and video jacks. Network GUI. Near 0 maintenance. It Just Works For the SDR, a separate transmit/rf module should be available but I would expect a lot of these to end up being remote receivers controlled over and feeding IF to the internet. I think investing a lot of time and hard work on something controlled by the whims of an OS company that is actively trying to limit choices and lock in it's customers is false economy. Easy at first and expensive/painful later. Linux (and PowerSDR if I am not mistaken) belong to the community. The freedom to improve/innovate is a VERY important thing. Flex should be commended for NOT trying to lock in it's customers with a proprietary console like another sdr receiver company does. It helps Flex and it helps us. I think their success indicates that it was a good business decision. Jeff/KA5MIR On Wednesday 03 January 2007 10:38, Bob McGwier wrote: User space drivers, behind Vista layers and layers of bulk and protection of digital media rights, is possible. It is just awful so why would we do it? I have a strong opinion. It is my strongest possible opinion that for the future, Flex should build stand alone radios running Linux on the computer inside the box and then we can support the control/GUI on ALL machines as add ons to the stand alone radio which more capability, etc. The radio performance will then not be harmed by XP, Vista, 2000, Windows 98 or even ME and 95. We can have a GUI on ALL of them. This to me is the best of all possible worlds. ... ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Update from Phil C.
Given the current state of software, are there any incompatibilities with Win2K other than Phil's planned development of vSound? I have been struggling with WGA on several machines here, made the stupid mistake of paying the 160 ransom to Microsoft to see if I could get a reg nr that would pass, and now it fails after 2 days. I think the past is my future so want some comment on Win2K pro compatibility! Happy new year all. My SDR1Khas been one of the bright spots of 206. Neal On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:10 AM, Robert McGwier wrote: Tim Ellison wrote: From Phil's blog... vSound Status I have been able to get a prototype of the vSound driver to work on Windows Vista beta. I am now waiting until the official release of Vista This is misspelled. It is Windows VIRUS beta. ;-). Actually, this is good news from Phil because I am worried that VAC is in trouble with Vista. Many of our card manufacturers also do not have signed drivers because heretofore many have refused to pay MS fees (signed driver certification protecting their control over DRM). Consider this another warning to hold off on Vista as long as possible. HNY Bob N4HY -Tim Integrated Technical Services www.itsco.com Apex, NC USA Cell: +1 919 215 6375 Skype: kg4rzy -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoffer ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
Brad A. Steffler wrote: ... the conversion of SDR to Linux is of paramount importance... This has been the view of some of the developers since the beginning. That's why in reality much of the critical development process has followed the reverse path: do the development first under Linux, then port back to Windows. The capabilities of the DSP core in PowerSDR have long been and continue to be considerably greater under Linux than can yet be accommodated under Windows. Exposing these capabilities under Windows has been held back primarily by the simple, practical, commercial demands of producing a stable, familiar Windows console. The point has been reached, however, that those same requirements are impediments to further development. The time has come, probably, to shift the emphasis to rapid completion of a consumer Linux version. The release of Vista is merely another reason to move in that direction. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
Most of the customer base is Windows. It would be nice to thumb our noses at Vista by having the Linux version though. I've been switching my PCs over to Linux. Mike - AA8K Frank Brickle wrote: ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
Frank Brickle wrote: Brad A. Steffler wrote: ... the conversion of SDR to Linux is of paramount importance... This has been the view of some of the developers since the beginning. That's why in reality much of the critical development process has followed the reverse path: do the development first under Linux, then port back to Windows. The capabilities of the DSP core in PowerSDR have long been and continue to be considerably greater under Linux than can yet be accommodated under Windows. Exposing these capabilities under Windows has been held back primarily by the simple, practical, commercial demands of producing a stable, familiar Windows console. The point has been reached, however, that those same requirements are impediments to further development. The time has come, probably, to shift the emphasis to rapid completion of a consumer Linux version. The release of Vista is merely another reason to move in that direction. 73 Frank AB2KT Shifting the emphasis to the Linux development will not hurt my feelings at all. Out of 5 PC's in my house only one has Windows, the other four have Ubuntu Linux, but being practical I will need to keep the one Windows PC around for a while, it however will never see Vista. I do have a copy of every OS from Microsoft from DOS all the way to XP with their associated Service Packs and I will hold on to them just in case Microsoft decides to go off the deep end of the ocean.. Being convinced for a while that Windows was not a desired long term solution I finally started switching to Linux about six month ago, and I am not sorry I did. Vista may just be the best promotion for Linux in a long time, their attitude about locking out small developers might make a few switch to Linux. However recently I saw a signature that I like and it's so true, Linux is user friendly, it's just particular as to who it's friends are By the way, where is the latest DttSP binaries and source kept? I'm getting to the point where I want to start getting familiar with it. -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger! Don Seglio Batuna ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
It is possible today to purchase, at WalMart among other places, a PC complete with preinstalled Linux for less than the purchase price of Vista. Why not offer one of these with everything including PowerSDR preinstalled and configured to work as a stand alone 'appliance' for those who don't yet want to invest the time and heartache in learning anything about Linux? Ed K5RJI On 1/1/07, KD5NWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Brickle wrote: Brad A. Steffler wrote: ... the conversion of SDR to Linux is of paramount importance... This has been the view of some of the developers since the beginning. That's why in reality much of the critical development process has followed the reverse path: do the development first under Linux, then port back to Windows. The capabilities of the DSP core in PowerSDR have long been and continue to be considerably greater under Linux than can yet be accommodated under Windows. Exposing these capabilities under Windows has been held back primarily by the simple, practical, commercial demands of producing a stable, familiar Windows console. The point has been reached, however, that those same requirements are impediments to further development. The time has come, probably, to shift the emphasis to rapid completion of a consumer Linux version. The release of Vista is merely another reason to move in that direction. 73 Frank AB2KT Shifting the emphasis to the Linux development will not hurt my feelings at all. Out of 5 PC's in my house only one has Windows, the other four have Ubuntu Linux, but being practical I will need to keep the one Windows PC around for a while, it however will never see Vista. I do have a copy of every OS from Microsoft from DOS all the way to XP with their associated Service Packs and I will hold on to them just in case Microsoft decides to go off the deep end of the ocean.. Being convinced for a while that Windows was not a desired long term solution I finally started switching to Linux about six month ago, and I am not sorry I did. Vista may just be the best promotion for Linux in a long time, their attitude about locking out small developers might make a few switch to Linux. However recently I saw a signature that I like and it's so true, Linux is user friendly, it's just particular as to who it's friends are By the way, where is the latest DttSP binaries and source kept? I'm getting to the point where I want to start getting familiar with it. -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger! Don Seglio Batuna ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070101/f5d9cf52/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
Ed Haskell wrote: It is possible today to purchase, at WalMart among other places, a PC complete with preinstalled Linux for less than the purchase price of Vista. Why not offer one of these with everything including PowerSDR preinstalled and configured to work as a stand alone 'appliance' for those who don't yet want to invest the time and heartache in learning anything about Linux? Ed K5RJI Maybe because, the consumer Linux version of PowerSDR software does not exist? There is software available, but it consist of several packages that are installed separately, and then used control the radio, not quite ready for people not willing to learn Linux. As an example that Linux is not for people that are not willing to learn it, I have several special application that when the OS version is upgraded and that happens often they need to be re-compiled. Even though Windows does not need applications re-compiled, ignorance is not bliss, as demonstrated by the many people whose machines are running poorly due to viruses and spyware. If I were you I would start becoming familiar with Linux now, don't wait until you are forced to. I would not put it past Microsoft to put in some patches whose real purpose is to kill Windows after a preset date to force you to upgrade, they already install patches that tell you your Windows copy is invalid and eventually disables Windows. Not investing time to learn your OS causes in the long term far more pain and grief than what it takes to learn it. -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger! Don Seglio Batuna ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
I am a Linux user. However I completely understand why most Windoze users are unwilling to climb a very steep learning curve. The investment in time and frustration is simply not worth it for most people. It's like asking a prospective ham to pass an entry level license exam that is comprised of the old Advanced class theory plus 40 wpm code. It those of us who use Linux want most of our colleagues in amateur radio to join us then we've got to find a way to make it easy enough that they don't feel like they have traded their hobby for a new and less rewarding one. Ed K5RJI On 1/1/07, KD5NWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Haskell wrote: It is possible today to purchase, at WalMart among other places, a PC complete with preinstalled Linux for less than the purchase price of Vista. Why not offer one of these with everything including PowerSDR preinstalled and configured to work as a stand alone 'appliance' for those who don't yet want to invest the time and heartache in learning anything about Linux? Ed K5RJI Maybe because, the consumer Linux version of PowerSDR software does not exist? There is software available, but it consist of several packages that are installed separately, and then used control the radio, not quite ready for people not willing to learn Linux. As an example that Linux is not for people that are not willing to learn it, I have several special application that when the OS version is upgraded and that happens often they need to be re-compiled. Even though Windows does not need applications re-compiled, ignorance is not bliss, as demonstrated by the many people whose machines are running poorly due to viruses and spyware. If I were you I would start becoming familiar with Linux now, don't wait until you are forced to. I would not put it past Microsoft to put in some patches whose real purpose is to kill Windows after a preset date to force you to upgrade, they already install patches that tell you your Windows copy is invalid and eventually disables Windows. Not investing time to learn your OS causes in the long term far more pain and grief than what it takes to learn it. -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger! Don Seglio Batuna ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070101/1ce18c0b/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
Remember how things went after we switched to svn distribution of the alpha code? There was almost an insurrection because people thought that the regular releases of intermediate steps would stop. This is similar in that it is outside of people's experience zone rather than hard. With the use of rpm, deb, and similar tools coupled with the tools such as synaptic, yum, etc. it should be no more difficult to install and run a fully supported version under Linux than it currently is under Windows. The exception to this is that bleeding edge hardware is not necessarily delivered with Linux support for its features since the Winblows support is almost always built first. I find Melton's development and release of a directX GTK+ version of Beppe's console both exhilarating and an embarassment. This can easily be ported to Linux and OpenGL or Windows and OpenGL. It could be the case that the display efficiency improves with OpenGL since so much of directX these days is dedicated to 3D and texturing and 2D graphical display has not received much development and the easy to use functions for this have been deprecated. I expect 2007 to be the big year for Linux consoles for our enterprise. Bob Larry Loen wrote: Ed Haskell wrote: It is possible today to purchase, at WalMart among other places, a PC complete with preinstalled Linux for less than the purchase price of Vista. Why not offer one of these with everything including PowerSDR preinstalled and configured to work as a stand alone 'appliance' for those who don't yet want to invest the time and heartache in learning anything about Linux? Ed K5RJI The hard part is not purchasing the machine. The hard part is running it or learning how to run it if your interests and expertise don't run in that direction. This is a problem in many cases, some obvious, some not: 1. Not comfortable with alternatives to Windows. 2. Have to run Windows for other things, may not have room/need/desire to have another computer in the shack. This includes networking skills. 3. Must run Windows for work. 4. Integration of the PowerSDR with other Windows-based software such as MixW, HamRadioDeluxe, N1MM, etc. That said, function first. Our relatively narrow bandwidth may bail us out here to the point that Windows doesn't care. If it doesn't, who needs Billy Gates? For myself, running on Linux would be a no-brainer. In fact, it would probably be a net simplification overall, especially if the front end (the console proper) had a decent way of communicating with a Linux-based back-end (that is, export the human speed radio controls, but everything from the sound card on down would be on Linux). I believe the new architecture may well make this easy to do. The worst case outcome would be to have a headless Linux running VNC, which is not very hard to learn nor set up on the Linux side of it. Such an approach could greatly minimize the problems involved here, unless you really were out of room for one more PC. Larry WO0Z ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoffer ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
Mike Naruta wrote: Most of the customer base is Windows. It would be nice to thumb our noses at Vista by having the Linux version though. I've been switching my PCs over to Linux. Mike - AA8K Frank Brickle wrote: ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com __ NOD32 1949 (20061230) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Let me ad that I'm not about to go to Vista, given MS track record. I've been running CD bootable Ubuntu and I'm now looking for help on creating dual boot just to give me a level of comfort. If we can be shown an easy way to switch back a forth I would rather run SDR under Linux. Jerry ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
Robert McGwier wrote: Remember how things went after we switched to svn distribution of the alpha code? There was almost an insurrection because people thought that the regular releases of intermediate steps would stop. This is similar in that it is outside of people's experience zone rather than hard. With the use of rpm, deb, and similar tools coupled with the tools such as synaptic, yum, etc. it should be no more difficult to install and run a fully supported version under Linux than it currently is under Windows. The exception to this is that bleeding edge hardware is not necessarily delivered with Linux support for its features since the Winblows support is almost always built first. I find Melton's development and release of a directX GTK+ version of Beppe's console both exhilarating and an embarassment. This can easily be ported to Linux and OpenGL or Windows and OpenGL. It could be the case that the display efficiency improves with OpenGL since so much of directX these days is dedicated to 3D and texturing and 2D graphical display has not received much development and the easy to use functions for this have been deprecated. I expect 2007 to be the big year for Linux consoles for our enterprise. Bob Larry Loen wrote: Ed Haskell wrote: It is possible today to purchase, at WalMart among other places, a PC complete with preinstalled Linux for less than the purchase price of Vista. Why not offer one of these with everything including PowerSDR preinstalled and configured to work as a stand alone 'appliance' for those who don't yet want to invest the time and heartache in learning anything about Linux? Ed K5RJI The hard part is not purchasing the machine. The hard part is running it or learning how to run it if your interests and expertise don't run in that direction. This is a problem in many cases, some obvious, some not: 1. Not comfortable with alternatives to Windows. 2. Have to run Windows for other things, may not have room/need/desire to have another computer in the shack. This includes networking skills. 3. Must run Windows for work. 4. Integration of the PowerSDR with other Windows-based software such as MixW, HamRadioDeluxe, N1MM, etc. That said, function first. Our relatively narrow bandwidth may bail us out here to the point that Windows doesn't care. If it doesn't, who needs Billy Gates? For myself, running on Linux would be a no-brainer. In fact, it would probably be a net simplification overall, especially if the front end (the console proper) had a decent way of communicating with a Linux-based back-end (that is, export the human speed radio controls, but everything from the sound card on down would be on Linux). I believe the new architecture may well make this easy to do. The worst case outcome would be to have a headless Linux running VNC, which is not very hard to learn nor set up on the Linux side of it. Such an approach could greatly minimize the problems involved here, unless you really were out of room for one more PC. Larry WO0Z -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoffer ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] vSound Update from Phil C.
From Phil's blog... vSound Status I have been able to get a prototype of the vSound driver to work on Windows Vista beta. I am now waiting until the official release of Vista to continue development on a driver that will work on both XP and Vista. As it looks now, vSound will support Vista and XP only. There will be no support for W2K, NT4, or Win9X/ME operating systems. My main concern is trying to make sure that the vSound driver is compatible with both XP and Vista so I don't have to maintain two different versions based on operating system. There are a lot of changes being made to driver development under Windows and I have been waiting until it stabilizes a little bit more before releasing a beta driver. My best estimate for availability of vSound beta is early next year after Vista systems hit the streets. -Tim Integrated Technical Services www.itsco.com Apex, NC USA Cell: +1 919 215 6375 Skype: kg4rzy ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Update from Phil C.
Tim Ellison wrote: From Phil's blog... vSound Status I have been able to get a prototype of the vSound driver to work on Windows Vista beta. I am now waiting until the official release of Vista This is misspelled. It is Windows VIRUS beta. ;-). Actually, this is good news from Phil because I am worried that VAC is in trouble with Vista. Many of our card manufacturers also do not have signed drivers because heretofore many have refused to pay MS fees (signed driver certification protecting their control over DRM). Consider this another warning to hold off on Vista as long as possible. HNY Bob N4HY -Tim Integrated Technical Services www.itsco.com Apex, NC USA Cell: +1 919 215 6375 Skype: kg4rzy -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction. - Dietrich Bonhoffer ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] vSound update from Phil C. - Windows Vista problems
Re: Bob McGwier's post: With the advent of the twisted /trusted computing /and the DRM signed driver requirements as well as new hardware requirements for Vista compatible boards, we may be in deep weeds in the future. The great strength of Software Defined Radio can also be its Achilles heel, if Vista is any indication. The radio could be held hostage to Microsoft's dictates. It appears, near as I can tell, in this convoluted (to me) scheme of Microsoft's that we WILL be held hostage to the whims of Microsoft with increased costs and loss of freedom to use our computers as we see fit when we install Vista. The philosophy behind SDR is individual flexibility and freedom by using infinitely configurable software to be the guts of the radio. The use of software allows almost infinite flexibility. This presupposes that the OS and the hardware (PC) itself is constructed/made with no built-in restrictions. When we get hardware and software requirements that add such restrictions, the law of unintended consequences will really increase the complexity of our systems in the future and potentially severely limit our options. Development costs for both software and hardware could potentially soar, making our SDR's as, or more, expensive than the rigs competing with SDR (such as IC-7800, etc). Maybe I am crying wolf here. But if I am not, the conversion of SDR to Linux is of paramount importance. Dependence upon Microsoft/Apple may be a severe mistake for SDR for the masses. My wife just promised me an SDR, and other goodies, early in 2007. Now I am not so sure... What do Eric, Gerald and the others think? Brad KE4XJ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Vsound Update
Tim Ellison wrote: OK, folks. Listen up. I have the 411 on Vsound. First off, a bit of patience is in order. Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither will Vsound I had a chance to exchange a few e-mails with Phil regarding the current state of Vsound development. Just because you have not heard anything or seen a blog entry doesn't mean that nothing is going on. A lot is. Here IS what is going on. The delay getting a driver released is partly due to the rapid development of HPSDR (of which Janus will be of great interest to all SDR-1000 users) and mostly to do with our fine friends in Redmond Washington - Microsoft. The problem is Vista and the new low latency sound subsystem that runs in user mode; WDF (Windows Driver Foundation) of which some of it is supported under XP. The challenge is to be able to develop a universal user mode driver that will work with both Vista and XP. This effort is important for several reasons. One is that from a support standpoint, it is best to support one release. Second is that it would provide a low latency sound subsystem for BOTH XP and Vista similar to what jack does in Linux. If he takes the easy way out and makes an XP only version, there will not be any guarantees that it will work with Vista or be updated in the future to do so. I think it is a prudent decision to take the path he has been trying to be ready for Vista since it is so close to being released. Here is the rub. Since Vista is still in beta and features and technologies are stabilizing; WDF is still a moving target. Phil has told me that he had some initial success with his first cut at a functional user mode driver, but the next beta release of Vista broke it. He is try to find out what changed and why. To that end, Phil has been in direct touch with one of the WDF developers in Redmond and other developers going through the same pains as he is. Microsoft is FAMOUS for poorly documenting their technologies. WDF is no exception. For more info on WDF you can check out this PowerPoint presentation. http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/0/5/f05a42ce-575b-4c60-82d6-208 d3754b2d6/UMDF_Intro.ppt Now, for those that paid their $$ to begin this development effort, you are to be commended for you contribution and foresight, but you have to look at this process like an investment. You paid for development not a finished product. A finished product will be the successful result of development. If you were expecting a quick ROI, then your expectations need to be modified a little bit. What you have to remember is that this risk free investment WILL pay off. The Vsound development process isn't like what Eric does by spoiling us with 2-4 upgrades a week. If it wasn't for SVN, our last upgrade would have been back on 23-June-06 Some of us know Phil personally and professionally and others know him by his immense contributions to SDR and the SDR-1000. He is an upstanding and honest person of the highest caliber and I have no reason to doubt that there will not be a Vsound in the coming months and it will knock the socks off of VAC for what we Flexers want to do with it. Others on the reflector can vouch for his character as well. Now, not everybody is going to agree with waiting a bit longer for Vsound to be done right. That is your right. But I ask that if you feel that you have to express your comments regarding the pace of development, that you do not use a public forum such as the reflector for that purpose. That should be taken up directly with Phil in a private correspondence in a professional manner. Like how we all want to be treated. Thanks Phil for providing me with a detailed update on Vsound and allowing me to share it with the SDR-1000 community. The best of luck to you battling the mighty monster in Washington. -Tim Do you need any help with a Linux driver. I am an ALSA developer. Maybe we could get the HPSDR working in Linux earlier? James ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Vsound Update
OK, folks. Listen up. I have the 411 on Vsound. First off, a bit of patience is in order. Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither will Vsound I had a chance to exchange a few e-mails with Phil regarding the current state of Vsound development. Just because you have not heard anything or seen a blog entry doesn't mean that nothing is going on. A lot is. Here IS what is going on. The delay getting a driver released is partly due to the rapid development of HPSDR (of which Janus will be of great interest to all SDR-1000 users) and mostly to do with our fine friends in Redmond Washington - Microsoft. The problem is Vista and the new low latency sound subsystem that runs in user mode; WDF (Windows Driver Foundation) of which some of it is supported under XP. The challenge is to be able to develop a universal user mode driver that will work with both Vista and XP. This effort is important for several reasons. One is that from a support standpoint, it is best to support one release. Second is that it would provide a low latency sound subsystem for BOTH XP and Vista similar to what jack does in Linux. If he takes the easy way out and makes an XP only version, there will not be any guarantees that it will work with Vista or be updated in the future to do so. I think it is a prudent decision to take the path he has been trying to be ready for Vista since it is so close to being released. Here is the rub. Since Vista is still in beta and features and technologies are stabilizing; WDF is still a moving target. Phil has told me that he had some initial success with his first cut at a functional user mode driver, but the next beta release of Vista broke it. He is try to find out what changed and why. To that end, Phil has been in direct touch with one of the WDF developers in Redmond and other developers going through the same pains as he is. Microsoft is FAMOUS for poorly documenting their technologies. WDF is no exception. For more info on WDF you can check out this PowerPoint presentation. http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/0/5/f05a42ce-575b-4c60-82d6-208 d3754b2d6/UMDF_Intro.ppt Now, for those that paid their $$ to begin this development effort, you are to be commended for you contribution and foresight, but you have to look at this process like an investment. You paid for development not a finished product. A finished product will be the successful result of development. If you were expecting a quick ROI, then your expectations need to be modified a little bit. What you have to remember is that this risk free investment WILL pay off. The Vsound development process isn't like what Eric does by spoiling us with 2-4 upgrades a week. If it wasn't for SVN, our last upgrade would have been back on 23-June-06 Some of us know Phil personally and professionally and others know him by his immense contributions to SDR and the SDR-1000. He is an upstanding and honest person of the highest caliber and I have no reason to doubt that there will not be a Vsound in the coming months and it will knock the socks off of VAC for what we Flexers want to do with it. Others on the reflector can vouch for his character as well. Now, not everybody is going to agree with waiting a bit longer for Vsound to be done right. That is your right. But I ask that if you feel that you have to express your comments regarding the pace of development, that you do not use a public forum such as the reflector for that purpose. That should be taken up directly with Phil in a private correspondence in a professional manner. Like how we all want to be treated. Thanks Phil for providing me with a detailed update on Vsound and allowing me to share it with the SDR-1000 community. The best of luck to you battling the mighty monster in Washington. -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061002/9f095456/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] Vsound Update
You didn't hear me complaining!!! Keep up the great work, Phil and Tim, and thanks a million. No matter the delay, you're doing great! Ken WR5H -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:26 PM To: Flex Radio Subject: [Flexradio] Vsound Update Importance: High OK, folks. Listen up. I have the 411 on Vsound. First off, a bit of patience is in order. Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither will Vsound I had a chance to exchange a few e-mails with Phil regarding the current state of Vsound development. Just because you have not heard anything or seen a blog entry doesn't mean that nothing is going on. A lot is. Here IS what is going on. The delay getting a driver released is partly due to the rapid development of HPSDR (of which Janus will be of great interest to all SDR-1000 users) and mostly to do with our fine friends in Redmond Washington - Microsoft. The problem is Vista and the new low latency sound subsystem that runs in user mode; WDF (Windows Driver Foundation) of which some of it is supported under XP. The challenge is to be able to develop a universal user mode driver that will work with both Vista and XP. This effort is important for several reasons. One is that from a support standpoint, it is best to support one release. Second is that it would provide a low latency sound subsystem for BOTH XP and Vista similar to what jack does in Linux. If he takes the easy way out and makes an XP only version, there will not be any guarantees that it will work with Vista or be updated in the future to do so. I think it is a prudent decision to take the path he has been trying to be ready for Vista since it is so close to being released. Here is the rub. Since Vista is still in beta and features and technologies are stabilizing; WDF is still a moving target. Phil has told me that he had some initial success with his first cut at a functional user mode driver, but the next beta release of Vista broke it. He is try to find out what changed and why. To that end, Phil has been in direct touch with one of the WDF developers in Redmond and other developers going through the same pains as he is. Microsoft is FAMOUS for poorly documenting their technologies. WDF is no exception. For more info on WDF you can check out this PowerPoint presentation. http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/0/5/f05a42ce-575b-4c60-82d6-208 d3754b2d6/UMDF_Intro.ppt Now, for those that paid their $$ to begin this development effort, you are to be commended for you contribution and foresight, but you have to look at this process like an investment. You paid for development not a finished product. A finished product will be the successful result of development. If you were expecting a quick ROI, then your expectations need to be modified a little bit. What you have to remember is that this risk free investment WILL pay off. The Vsound development process isn't like what Eric does by spoiling us with 2-4 upgrades a week. If it wasn't for SVN, our last upgrade would have been back on 23-June-06 Some of us know Phil personally and professionally and others know him by his immense contributions to SDR and the SDR-1000. He is an upstanding and honest person of the highest caliber and I have no reason to doubt that there will not be a Vsound in the coming months and it will knock the socks off of VAC for what we Flexers want to do with it. Others on the reflector can vouch for his character as well. Now, not everybody is going to agree with waiting a bit longer for Vsound to be done right. That is your right. But I ask that if you feel that you have to express your comments regarding the pace of development, that you do not use a public forum such as the reflector for that purpose. That should be taken up directly with Phil in a private correspondence in a professional manner. Like how we all want to be treated. Thanks Phil for providing me with a detailed update on Vsound and allowing me to share it with the SDR-1000 community. The best of luck to you battling the mighty monster in Washington. -Tim --- Tim Ellison Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20061002/9f095456/attachment .html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex
Re: [Flexradio] Vsound Update
Tim Ellison wrote: OK, folks. Listen up. I have the 411 on Vsound. Now there you go again, shedding more light than heat on a subject contrary to the clear requirements of a hobby that has the Alligator Net and Flex Radio under the same tent. You are going to have to stop doing these logical things and making the kind of sense that requires thoughtful consideration be given to what you say. Bob -- AMSAT VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP/AMQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR Wrk Grp Chairman You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Einstein ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSOUND
I think that Phil is a bit busy right now with the HPSDR stuff. He is making strides on that. I suspect that when he catches his breath, he will pursue vSOUND. I am eager for it as well. I want to get going on digital. Phil turns out excellent work, it will be worth waiting for. Mike - AA8K Dave Ackrill wrote: I remember sending of a donation in the rush of excitement that was generated by the idea of what seemed to be a software sound card connector which would possibly do for digital mode program connections what vCOM does for other rig control programs like Ham Radio Deluxe. I appreciate that Phil couldn't keep all the individual contributors to the fund informed on an individual basis, but the last mention I can find on the N8VB blog was on 30th June, and it didn't sound as upbeat as many of the earlier posts. The words 'I hope to have something together to test in a month or so' seem to suggest, to the way I read that, as if the project is not going to happen very soon? Now, I realise that my donation was not a legally binding contract, and I don't have a right to a pound of flesh, but I'm wondering if I should just chalk the donation down to experience and hold back next time I get swept up in the excitement of a project that someone says they would like to do, but just needs a bit of cash as seed corn to avoid their loss of opportunity costs meaning that they cannot justify the time to do something? Dave (G0DJA) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSOUND
On Friday 04 August 2006 17:54, Dave Ackrill wrote: I remember sending of a donation in the rush of excitement that was generated by the idea of what seemed to be a software sound card connector which would possibly do for digital mode program connections what vCOM does for other rig control programs like Ham Radio Deluxe. I appreciate that Phil couldn't keep all the individual contributors to the fund informed on an individual basis, but the last mention I can find on the N8VB blog was on 30th June, and it didn't sound as upbeat as many of the earlier posts. The words 'I hope to have something together to test in a month or so' seem to suggest, to the way I read that, as if the project is not going to happen very soon? Now, I realise that my donation was not a legally binding contract, and I don't have a right to a pound of flesh, but I'm wondering if I should just chalk the donation down to experience and hold back next time I get swept up in the excitement of a project that someone says they would like to do, but just needs a bit of cash as seed corn to avoid their loss of opportunity costs meaning that they cannot justify the time to do something? Dave (G0DJA) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com No good deed goes unpunished... -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com A persons greatness is measured by how they treat those persons that they have the power to harm. Cecil Bayona ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSOUND
On 8/4/06, Dave Ackrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember sending of a donation in the rush of excitement that was generated by the idea of what seemed to be a software sound card connector which would possibly do for digital mode program connections what vCOM does for other rig control programs like Ham Radio Deluxe. I appreciate that Phil couldn't keep all the individual contributors to the fund informed on an individual basis, but the last mention I can find on the N8VB blog was on 30th June, and it didn't sound as upbeat as many of the earlier posts. The words 'I hope to have something together to test in a month or so' seem to suggest, to the way I read that, as if the project is not going to happen very soon? Now, I realise that my donation was not a legally binding contract, and I don't have a right to a pound of flesh, but I'm wondering if I should just chalk the donation down to experience and hold back next time I get swept up in the excitement of a project that someone says they would like to do, but just needs a bit of cash as seed corn to avoid their loss of opportunity costs meaning that they cannot justify the time to do something? Dave (G0DJA) The answer is: It will get done when I get time to finish it. I don't need a bunch of guys crying like babies when their machines blue screen because I rushed something out... Believe me, I learned that lesson with vCOM. Phil N8VB P.S. You could have just emailed me and asked the status... ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSOUND
On 8/4/06, Philip Covington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't need a bunch of guys crying like babies when their machines blue screen because I rushed something out... Believe me, I learned that lesson with vCOM. Amen Phil! Being a programmer for over 20 years, I can vouch for that point 100%. Even when you don't rush an app, there will likely be bugs at first, but far less than one that was done without patience. Brian - w5ami ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSOUND Development Starts June 5, 2006!
I would prefer this to be an open source project, something on sourceforge for example. It would be nice if it would target XP and Vista, and be compatible with vs2005. I haven't built a driver in 10 years but I assume you would use visual studio and your driver starter kit or sample code of your choice. Also assume it would have to be some sort of user mode driver on Vista, and I was under the impression that these sorts of audio channel redirectors were due to become extinct due to DRM. I have a lot to learn. Would be happy to help you, or track down any technical info you need using the local MS developer rep. Thanks to all who donated! You generosity has kick started this vSOUND project. My goal is to support MME, DS, ASIO, and WDM KS interfaces. I will post periodic updates to report progress and will probably need beta testers that don't mind a few BSODs here and there ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] VSound question
Hi Guys Missed a whole bunch of the weekend posts.I see there is a collection for the development of sound software. Where are we sending it to via paypal or mail? Thanks, Ken - N8KJGThanks, Ken Visit: Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, shouting HOLY CRAP! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060605/7b526d92/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSOUND Development Starts June 5, 2006!
On 6/5/06, KD5NWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is why Vista is not in my horizon, I'm in the process of switching all my PC's to Linux so I will be very interested in release 17 of the software so I can completely move over to Linux. The only PC I foresee for a time staying in Windows is my Video editing PC. So a Linux port of the VSound software is what I'm looking forward to. This weekend I was playing with VAC and I must admit I had a difficult time making it go, I finally sent the output to two programs but the way I ended doing it so it worked did not make a lick of sense. Hi Cecil, vSOUND'a'like is not needed on Linux. There's already jack and a few other ways of piping audio around. 73 de Phil N8VB ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] VSound question
Hi Ken, You can visit Phil's contribution page at: http://www.philcovington.com/SDR/donation.html or if you want to log into your PayPal directly, his PayPal e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike - AA8K Kenneth Golubski wrote: Hi Guys Missed a whole bunch of the weekend posts.I see there is a collection for the development of sound software. Where are we sending it to via paypal or mail? Thanks, Ken - N8KJG ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now!
Many thanks to Phil for all the work he has done on Vcom and Vsound. My $30 paypal contribution is on the way. Norman W4HF ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update
By my count, from the people who have responded on the reflector that said they have contributed and indicated a dollar amount, we have reached the $400 mark in less than 24 hours. That is 80% of the $500 target bounty for getting vSound development started. That is a fantastic response, but there is just a little bit further to go, so let's take it home! I am sure I speak for all Flexers in saying thanks 1x10^7 to Phil for offering to free us from the shackles of VAC. -Tim --- Tim Ellison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/ Apex, NC USA 919.674.0044 Ext. 25 / 919.674.0045 (FAX) 919.215.6375 - cell PGP public key available at all public KeyServers Skype: kg4rzy ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update
Tim/Phil I'm in! $30. Eric2 - AA4SW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM To: Philip Covington; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update By my count, from the people who have responded on the reflector that said they have contributed and indicated a dollar amount, we have reached the $400 mark in less than 24 hours. That is 80% of the $500 target bounty for getting vSound development started. That is a fantastic response, but there is just a little bit further to go, so let's take it home! I am sure I speak for all Flexers in saying thanks 1x10^7 to Phil for offering to free us from the shackles of VAC. -Tim --- Tim Ellison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/ Apex, NC USA 919.674.0044 Ext. 25 / 919.674.0045 (FAX) 919.215.6375 - cell PGP public key available at all public KeyServers Skype: kg4rzy ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now!
I'm in too! I've sent $30.00. George Bennett, K1GMB ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update
Phil--I am in for $30. The $15 last night was for the super driver program which works neat. 73 Dick W4RAK - Original Message - From: Eric Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tim Ellison' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Philip Covington' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update Tim/Phil I'm in! $30. Eric2 - AA4SW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM To: Philip Covington; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update By my count, from the people who have responded on the reflector that said they have contributed and indicated a dollar amount, we have reached the $400 mark in less than 24 hours. That is 80% of the $500 target bounty for getting vSound development started. That is a fantastic response, but there is just a little bit further to go, so let's take it home! I am sure I speak for all Flexers in saying thanks 1x10^7 to Phil for offering to free us from the shackles of VAC. -Tim --- Tim Ellison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/ Apex, NC USA 919.674.0044 Ext. 25 / 919.674.0045 (FAX) 919.215.6375 - cell PGP public key available at all public KeyServers Skype: kg4rzy ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Initial funding Goal Achieved!
DING ..DING...DINGDING...DING...DING. Congratulations to all who so generously contributed to the target bounty for getting the vSound development effort funded! We have made our initial goal of raising $500 for the development effort to begin. All in less than 24 hours! If you haven't contributed yet (any amount will be appreciated), don't feel that since we have hit the initial goal, that all is complete. This is just the first step into making vSound a reality. Also big thanks to Phil who so graciously volunteered his phenomenal talents to make vSound a reality. I believe you will have the largest group of beta testers chomping at the bit waiting for the first beta. Way to go Flexers! -Tim --- Tim Ellison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/ Apex, NC USA 919.674.0044 Ext. 25 / 919.674.0045 (FAX) 919.215.6375 - cell PGP public key available at all public KeyServers Skype: kg4rzy ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update
What is the PayPal address to send the money Ed WA3BZT - Original Message - From: Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Philip Covington [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update By my count, from the people who have responded on the reflector that said they have contributed and indicated a dollar amount, we have reached the $400 mark in less than 24 hours. That is 80% of the $500 target bounty for getting vSound development started. That is a fantastic response, but there is just a little bit further to go, so let's take it home! I am sure I speak for all Flexers in saying thanks 1x10^7 to Phil for offering to free us from the shackles of VAC. -Tim --- Tim Ellison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/ Apex, NC USA 919.674.0044 Ext. 25 / 919.674.0045 (FAX) 919.215.6375 - cell PGP public key available at all public KeyServers Skype: kg4rzy ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update
http://www.philcovington.com/SDR/donation.html -Tim --- Tim Ellison ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Integrated Technical Services ( http://www.itsco.com ) -Original Message- From: Edward J White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:02 PM To: Tim Ellison; Philip Covington; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update What is the PayPal address to send the money Ed WA3BZT - Original Message - From: Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Philip Covington [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update By my count, from the people who have responded on the reflector that said they have contributed and indicated a dollar amount, we have reached the $400 mark in less than 24 hours. That is 80% of the $500 target bounty for getting vSound development started. That is a fantastic response, but there is just a little bit further to go, so let's take it home! I am sure I speak for all Flexers in saying thanks 1x10^7 to Phil for offering to free us from the shackles of VAC. -Tim --- Tim Ellison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/ Apex, NC USA 919.674.0044 Ext. 25 / 919.674.0045 (FAX) 919.215.6375 - cell PGP public key available at all public KeyServers Skype: kg4rzy ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] vSound Developement Fund
I am in and paid Great idea great group of people! Ed WA3BZT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20060604/01593497/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now!
Hi Guys, I put in my $30. Mark N6SF ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update
I'm in for $30.00 via PayPal. Good job, Phil - how you find the time for this and HPSDR, I don't know, but keep up the good work. 73, Pete, N3EVL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:12 PM To: Edward J White; Philip Covington; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update http://www.philcovington.com/SDR/donation.html -Tim --- Tim Ellison ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Integrated Technical Services ( http://www.itsco.com ) -Original Message- From: Edward J White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:02 PM To: Tim Ellison; Philip Covington; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update What is the PayPal address to send the money Ed WA3BZT - Original Message - From: Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Philip Covington [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Goal Update By my count, from the people who have responded on the reflector that said they have contributed and indicated a dollar amount, we have reached the $400 mark in less than 24 hours. That is 80% of the $500 target bounty for getting vSound development started. That is a fantastic response, but there is just a little bit further to go, so let's take it home! I am sure I speak for all Flexers in saying thanks 1x10^7 to Phil for offering to free us from the shackles of VAC. -Tim --- Tim Ellison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Integrated Technical Services http://www.itsco.com/ Apex, NC USA 919.674.0044 Ext. 25 / 919.674.0045 (FAX) 919.215.6375 - cell PGP public key available at all public KeyServers Skype: kg4rzy ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now!
I'm in. Phil; you're a good man. Darn few of us left! Keep up the good work. Thanks, Ken WR5H -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 6:42 PM To: Philip Covington; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now! OK. Looks like there is a lot of interest in getting vSound off the ground. So let's put our $$ where our posts is. Phil states that there is a $500 target bounty for getting started. Phil, can you give us an idea how far off we are from that goal so we can drum up and meet that goal. I have started by making a contribution to the cause at the $30 level. If 15.6 more people contribute, we will have made the goal assuming no one else has contributed. With over 1000 SDR1K users out there this seems like a simple goal to achieve. http://www.philcovington.com/SDR/donation.html -Tim --- Tim Ellison ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Integrated Technical Services ( http://www.itsco.com ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philip Covington Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:11 PM To: Craig Monsen Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] VAC software I would be willing to write a Virtual Audio Cable driver (vSOUND) if there is enough interest. It doubt that I would release it open source though. Probably would price it a little below VAC... 73 de Phil N8VB On 6/3/06, Craig Monsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Amos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] VAC software I suspect the answer is no or someone would already have done it... One thing I hate to do at work is contract with a sole source because of issues with quality, service, support, etc. I don't have any leverage. Whenever there is only one way to do something, that usually indicates to me that there's either something wrong with my design, or that I'm too close to the leading edge. Is there any other source for virtual audio cable software that might be more willing to help? It seems like there would be room for more than one supplier in this niche... I tend to agree with Mark's assessment here. If the SDR1000 software had a VAC built into it, I believe the product (SDR1000), would be much more desireable to customers and potential customers. The current situation requires the user to install multiple programs and carefully set up each program properly with respect to COM ports, buffers, etc. Unless this is done just right, the experience for the user seems to be a frustrating one. (Judging from all of the postings on the reflector). This is certainly not a plug-and-play situation. Fortunately others have provided guide documents to do this, however, this task can still seem daunting. I believe in order to cross the chasm with the SDR1000, a simplified installation would be desireable. I believe that integrating VAC capability into the SDR would simplify connection to the multitude of HAM software that have been available for contesting and digital modes. 73 Craig KC2LFI ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] vSOUND Development Starts June 5, 2006!
Hi all, Wow, I just got back home from being out of town this Sunday and I find that the development fund goal for vSOUND has been met! I'd better get to work! Thanks to all who donated! You generosity has kick started this vSOUND project. My goal is to support MME, DS, ASIO, and WDM KS interfaces. I will post periodic updates to report progress and will probably need beta testers that don't mind a few BSODs here and there ;-). The donated funds will go directly to support SDR hardware and software projects. Thanks again for all your support. 73 de Phil N8VB ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Vsound, cant wait !
Phil, thanks for your efforts , $30 US on its way through the ether from down under, keep up the excellent work 73 Keith VK6XH -- Keith Bainbridge Air Receiver Inspection Services Unfired Pressure Vessel Inspections Safety Relief Valve Repairs. Mob: 0419 901 539 Fax: 08 9379 3423 A/Hours 08 9279 4923 Email[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
[Flexradio] Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now!
Please count me in also. I am really enjoying the vCOM, will look forward to the vSOUND. 73's , Bruce KL7JDR Bruce W. Mills P.O. Box 1500 Soldotna, Alaska 99669 - USA (907)262-4373 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now!
Okey Dokey - I just PayPal'ed $40. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 7:42 PM To: Philip Covington; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now! OK. Looks like there is a lot of interest in getting vSound off the ground. So let's put our $$ where our posts is. Phil states that there is a $500 target bounty for getting started. Phil, can you give us an idea how far off we are from that goal so we can drum up and meet that goal. I have started by making a contribution to the cause at the $30 level. If 15.6 more people contribute, we will have made the goal assuming no one else has contributed. With over 1000 SDR1K users out there this seems like a simple goal to achieve. http://www.philcovington.com/SDR/donation.html -Tim --- Tim Ellison ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Integrated Technical Services ( http://www.itsco.com ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philip Covington Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:11 PM To: Craig Monsen Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] VAC software I would be willing to write a Virtual Audio Cable driver (vSOUND) if there is enough interest. It doubt that I would release it open source though. Probably would price it a little below VAC... 73 de Phil N8VB On 6/3/06, Craig Monsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Amos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] VAC software I suspect the answer is no or someone would already have done it... One thing I hate to do at work is contract with a sole source because of issues with quality, service, support, etc. I don't have any leverage. Whenever there is only one way to do something, that usually indicates to me that there's either something wrong with my design, or that I'm too close to the leading edge. Is there any other source for virtual audio cable software that might be more willing to help? It seems like there would be room for more than one supplier in this niche... I tend to agree with Mark's assessment here. If the SDR1000 software had a VAC built into it, I believe the product (SDR1000), would be much more desireable to customers and potential customers. The current situation requires the user to install multiple programs and carefully set up each program properly with respect to COM ports, buffers, etc. Unless this is done just right, the experience for the user seems to be a frustrating one. (Judging from all of the postings on the reflector). This is certainly not a plug-and-play situation. Fortunately others have provided guide documents to do this, however, this task can still seem daunting. I believe in order to cross the chasm with the SDR1000, a simplified installation would be desireable. I believe that integrating VAC capability into the SDR would simplify connection to the multitude of HAM software that have been available for contesting and digital modes. 73 Craig KC2LFI ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now!
Ok, Phil. I also put my money where my mouth is. $30.00 on the way via Paypal. Craig KC2LFI My $30 is on the way too. Ed K5RJI ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
Re: [Flexradio] vSound Development Fund - Make it Happen Now!
Another $30 on the way..are we there yet? Ron K0IDT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com
