Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic

2012-10-12 Thread bearcreekcattery
RFI can occur when there is an impedance mismatch betweeen the
transceiver and the antenna.  Coax acts like it's actually three
conductorsthe center, inter shield and outer shield.  Ofter, RF
voltage feedback travels into the transceiver on the outer shield. 
Straight out of the ARRL handbook.  Usually more noticable on 10 meters
than on 80.  Solution.tweek the antenna for less that 1.5:1 VSWR.
When computers are added to the equasion, RFI can be reduced with proper
groundinng and toroid cores.  

White Man's Magic.

Jim
de nx4e
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:38:15 -0700
=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IENvc3RhLCBLQjZRWE0=?= kb6...@yahoo.com writes:
 I have the same issue. Works on 80 and audio is distorted on 20 
 meters. I'll bet it is RF ingress issues like mine. Now to determine 
 where the RF is coming into the radio.
 
 73,
 Robert
 KB6QXM
 Ham Radio Open Conversation
 Yahoo group owner/moderator
 
 
 - Reply message -
 From: Ken Akin kena...@gmail.com
 To: aar...@gmail.com
 Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
 Subject: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic
 Date: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:41 pm
 
 
 Aaren -
 
 The it works on 80, dies on 20  very much sounds like RF getting 
 into the
 computer.  Others can give you a list of things to check, but to 
 start with
 - you need a short solid ground connection between the 5000 and the 
 PC.  RF
 in the shack may result from high swr, keeping RF off of the outside 
 of the
 coax when it comes into the shack (using  *Toroidal Chokes* on the 
 coax)
 can help a lot.
 
 73
 
 Ken  AC0HO
 
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  Aaren:
 
 
   1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box.
 
 
  Check to make sure that the notch on the mic connector is lined 
 up
  correctly with the port when you plug it in. I've noticed that 
 some
  connectors go in without the notch being aligned.
 
  Tony
 
 
 
  On 10/11/2012 10:54 PM, Aaren Jensen wrote:
 
  I took delivery of a new 5000a with ATU 3 days ago and I'm having 
 a case
  of
  panic and potential buyers remorse. Please expound some wisdom or 
 talk me
  off the cliff.
 
 
  1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box. I've switched 
 to a xlr
  mic plugged into the balanced port on the rear and I'm 
 clicking MOX
  on and
  off to transmit. It's a work around but it looks like I'll 
 already
  have to
  send it back straight away for repair. Arggh. I have a ticket 
 open
  with
  Flex and I'm waiting for approval to return it.
  2. Band conditions are horrible this week but for two nights 
 browsing
  around 80m and 40m are it's working and no problems other 
 than my own
  learning curve.
  3. Tonight I venture onto 20m and every time I key the mic 
 PowerSDR
  freezes and crashes. Takes a few minutes to recover and 
 reboot
  everything
  and I try again with the same results. I was able to 
 participate on a
  80m
  net with no problems, then back to 20m and more crashes. I 
 thought it
  was
  the power output and played with that, but no real pattern 
 emerged?
  4. At one point it locked up so bad I couldn't even start 
 PowerSDR
  anymore and had to remove the entire software package, 
 reboot,
  reinstall,
  reboot, and treat the rig like it was a fresh first time 
 install
  again.
  Back to 20m with everything new and default, tuned, keyed mic 
 and app
  crashes
 
  Help oh wise Elmers on the mountain top.
 
  73
 
  VA7AEJ
 
 
 
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Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic

2012-10-12 Thread Michael Walker
I know this has been shared before, but it is worth re-posting.

http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf

After reading about common mode currents, I order about 100 of each (mix 31
and mix 43) chokes.  I have them on just about everything as it relates to
RF.

Every new antenna gets chokes at both ends of the feedline.  I have many
less RFI issues.

Mike va3mw

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:31 AM, bearcreekcatt...@juno.com wrote:

 RFI can occur when there is an impedance mismatch betweeen the
 transceiver and the antenna.  Coax acts like it's actually three
 conductorsthe center, inter shield and outer shield.  Ofter, RF
 voltage feedback travels into the transceiver on the outer shield.
 Straight out of the ARRL handbook.  Usually more noticable on 10 meters
 than on 80.  Solution.tweek the antenna for less that 1.5:1 VSWR.
 When computers are added to the equasion, RFI can be reduced with proper
 groundinng and toroid cores.

 White Man's Magic.

 Jim
 de nx4e
 On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:38:15 -0700
 =?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IENvc3RhLCBLQjZRWE0=?= kb6...@yahoo.com writes:
  I have the same issue. Works on 80 and audio is distorted on 20
  meters. I'll bet it is RF ingress issues like mine. Now to determine
  where the RF is coming into the radio.
 
  73,
  Robert
  KB6QXM
  Ham Radio Open Conversation
  Yahoo group owner/moderator
 
 
  - Reply message -
  From: Ken Akin kena...@gmail.com
  To: aar...@gmail.com
  Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
  Subject: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic
  Date: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:41 pm
 
 
  Aaren -
 
  The it works on 80, dies on 20  very much sounds like RF getting
  into the
  computer.  Others can give you a list of things to check, but to
  start with
  - you need a short solid ground connection between the 5000 and the
  PC.  RF
  in the shack may result from high swr, keeping RF off of the outside
  of the
  coax when it comes into the shack (using  *Toroidal Chokes* on the
  coax)
  can help a lot.
 
  73
 
  Ken  AC0HO
 
 
 
  On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote:
 
   Aaren:
  
  
1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box.
  
  
   Check to make sure that the notch on the mic connector is lined
  up
   correctly with the port when you plug it in. I've noticed that
  some
   connectors go in without the notch being aligned.
  
   Tony
  
  
  
   On 10/11/2012 10:54 PM, Aaren Jensen wrote:
  
   I took delivery of a new 5000a with ATU 3 days ago and I'm having
  a case
   of
   panic and potential buyers remorse. Please expound some wisdom or
  talk me
   off the cliff.
  
  
   1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box. I've switched
  to a xlr
   mic plugged into the balanced port on the rear and I'm
  clicking MOX
   on and
   off to transmit. It's a work around but it looks like I'll
  already
   have to
   send it back straight away for repair. Arggh. I have a ticket
  open
   with
   Flex and I'm waiting for approval to return it.
   2. Band conditions are horrible this week but for two nights
  browsing
   around 80m and 40m are it's working and no problems other
  than my own
   learning curve.
   3. Tonight I venture onto 20m and every time I key the mic
  PowerSDR
   freezes and crashes. Takes a few minutes to recover and
  reboot
   everything
   and I try again with the same results. I was able to
  participate on a
   80m
   net with no problems, then back to 20m and more crashes. I
  thought it
   was
   the power output and played with that, but no real pattern
  emerged?
   4. At one point it locked up so bad I couldn't even start
  PowerSDR
   anymore and had to remove the entire software package,
  reboot,
   reinstall,
   reboot, and treat the rig like it was a fresh first time
  install
   again.
   Back to 20m with everything new and default, tuned, keyed mic
  and app
   crashes
  
   Help oh wise Elmers on the mountain top.
  
   73
  
   VA7AEJ
  
  
  
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Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic

2012-10-12 Thread Bill Roberts
Aaren,

 

Regarding RF ingress, I have had a few intermittent problems with my Flex
5K, most notably on 20 meters.  Over the years, I've had similar problems
with other rigs (it's not just Flex).  Aside from having an earth ground
right in my basement shack and grounding all computers, radio boxes via 1
inch tined braid, I have found the following general practices helpful in
avoiding RF problems:

 

*  Ferrite split beads on every USB cable connected to the computer.

*  Ferrite split beads in all power cables (120V, 13.6V, 50V, etc.)
connected to radios, amplifiers, power supplies, speakers, etc.

*  Ferrite split beads (2 - 3) on cables in and out of Flex (XLR Mic,
Firewire, speakers) and all other radios.

 

Regarding RF on coax shield, one alternative I've found helpful and
economical are the RF Isolators available from Radio Works.  Go to
http://www.radioworks.com/ click on their on line catalog.  The models and
specs for RF Isolators are found on page 9.  I have used the T4G Plus (G
models including a grounding lug) on each of my coaxial transmission lines
160 - 6 meters.  The full power models sell for about $50 each.

 

Like others have said, before sweating things too much, call Flex Technical
Support.  They are both good and professional.  The few times I've called,
we've come up with a fix or explanation every time.  They explain things
very well and have never talked down to me.  Give them a chance.

 

73

 

 Bill Roberts

Radio Station K8DXX

 

As I receive so many emails daily, please do not forward anything to me
unless absolutely urgent.  I want to hear from you.  I am not interested in
everyone's forwards.  Thank you.

 

 

 

I know this has been shared before, but it is worth re-posting.

 

http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf

 

After reading about common mode currents, I order about 100 of each (mix 31

and mix 43) chokes.  I have them on just about everything as it relates to

RF.

 

Every new antenna gets chokes at both ends of the feedline.  I have many

less RFI issues.

 

Mike va3mw

 

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:31 AM, bearcreekcatt...@juno.com wrote:

 

 

 

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Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic

2012-10-11 Thread Tony

Aaren:


1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box.


Check to make sure that the notch on the mic connector is lined up 
correctly with the port when you plug it in. I've noticed that some 
connectors go in without the notch being aligned.


Tony


On 10/11/2012 10:54 PM, Aaren Jensen wrote:

I took delivery of a new 5000a with ATU 3 days ago and I'm having a case of
panic and potential buyers remorse. Please expound some wisdom or talk me
off the cliff.


1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box. I've switched to a xlr
mic plugged into the balanced port on the rear and I'm clicking MOX on and
off to transmit. It's a work around but it looks like I'll already have to
send it back straight away for repair. Arggh. I have a ticket open with
Flex and I'm waiting for approval to return it.
2. Band conditions are horrible this week but for two nights browsing
around 80m and 40m are it's working and no problems other than my own
learning curve.
3. Tonight I venture onto 20m and every time I key the mic PowerSDR
freezes and crashes. Takes a few minutes to recover and reboot everything
and I try again with the same results. I was able to participate on a 80m
net with no problems, then back to 20m and more crashes. I thought it was
the power output and played with that, but no real pattern emerged?
4. At one point it locked up so bad I couldn't even start PowerSDR
anymore and had to remove the entire software package, reboot, reinstall,
reboot, and treat the rig like it was a fresh first time install again.
Back to 20m with everything new and default, tuned, keyed mic and app
crashes

Help oh wise Elmers on the mountain top.

73

VA7AEJ




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Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic

2012-10-11 Thread Michael Walker
Aaren

Sounds strange as their quality control is pretty great.  I am also
confident that Flex will get on the phone with you and sort it out.

Just to make sure that RF isn't an issue, do you have a dummy load that you
can test 20M on?  Usually if a computer up and freezes, it is due to RF
getting into the keyboard somehow.  That doesn't happen much any more with
most people using wireless keyboards and  mice.  Can you describe your
antenna farm at all?

It may also be RF getting into the firewire cable.

If you turn the RF power down to 0 on 20M, does PSDR still crash?

Make sure you read up on how the AGC-T is used.  Out of the box, the
setting of 90 is too high.  It is a very powerful tool and you need to
treat it like an RF gain on a traditional radio.

Also, there is an entire alignment process for all the audio chains you
need to go through to ensure your best audio quality and that the 4 audio
sections are playing well together.  W1AEX has done a great write up.
http://www.w1aex.com/psdrgain/psdrgain.html.

I hope that helps you get going while you wait for Flex to get in touch
with you.

Many 73, Mike va3mw




On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote:

 Aaren:


  1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box.


 Check to make sure that the notch on the mic connector is lined up
 correctly with the port when you plug it in. I've noticed that some
 connectors go in without the notch being aligned.

 Tony



 On 10/11/2012 10:54 PM, Aaren Jensen wrote:

 I took delivery of a new 5000a with ATU 3 days ago and I'm having a case
 of
 panic and potential buyers remorse. Please expound some wisdom or talk me
 off the cliff.


 1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box. I've switched to a xlr
 mic plugged into the balanced port on the rear and I'm clicking MOX
 on and
 off to transmit. It's a work around but it looks like I'll already
 have to
 send it back straight away for repair. Arggh. I have a ticket open
 with
 Flex and I'm waiting for approval to return it.
 2. Band conditions are horrible this week but for two nights browsing
 around 80m and 40m are it's working and no problems other than my own
 learning curve.
 3. Tonight I venture onto 20m and every time I key the mic PowerSDR
 freezes and crashes. Takes a few minutes to recover and reboot
 everything
 and I try again with the same results. I was able to participate on a
 80m
 net with no problems, then back to 20m and more crashes. I thought it
 was
 the power output and played with that, but no real pattern emerged?
 4. At one point it locked up so bad I couldn't even start PowerSDR
 anymore and had to remove the entire software package, reboot,
 reinstall,
 reboot, and treat the rig like it was a fresh first time install
 again.
 Back to 20m with everything new and default, tuned, keyed mic and app
 crashes

 Help oh wise Elmers on the mountain top.

 73

 VA7AEJ



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Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic

2012-10-11 Thread Ken Akin
Aaren -

The it works on 80, dies on 20  very much sounds like RF getting into the
computer.  Others can give you a list of things to check, but to start with
- you need a short solid ground connection between the 5000 and the PC.  RF
in the shack may result from high swr, keeping RF off of the outside of the
coax when it comes into the shack (using  *Toroidal Chokes* on the coax)
can help a lot.

73

Ken  AC0HO



On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote:

 Aaren:


  1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box.


 Check to make sure that the notch on the mic connector is lined up
 correctly with the port when you plug it in. I've noticed that some
 connectors go in without the notch being aligned.

 Tony



 On 10/11/2012 10:54 PM, Aaren Jensen wrote:

 I took delivery of a new 5000a with ATU 3 days ago and I'm having a case
 of
 panic and potential buyers remorse. Please expound some wisdom or talk me
 off the cliff.


 1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box. I've switched to a xlr
 mic plugged into the balanced port on the rear and I'm clicking MOX
 on and
 off to transmit. It's a work around but it looks like I'll already
 have to
 send it back straight away for repair. Arggh. I have a ticket open
 with
 Flex and I'm waiting for approval to return it.
 2. Band conditions are horrible this week but for two nights browsing
 around 80m and 40m are it's working and no problems other than my own
 learning curve.
 3. Tonight I venture onto 20m and every time I key the mic PowerSDR
 freezes and crashes. Takes a few minutes to recover and reboot
 everything
 and I try again with the same results. I was able to participate on a
 80m
 net with no problems, then back to 20m and more crashes. I thought it
 was
 the power output and played with that, but no real pattern emerged?
 4. At one point it locked up so bad I couldn't even start PowerSDR
 anymore and had to remove the entire software package, reboot,
 reinstall,
 reboot, and treat the rig like it was a fresh first time install
 again.
 Back to 20m with everything new and default, tuned, keyed mic and app
 crashes

 Help oh wise Elmers on the mountain top.

 73

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Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic

2012-10-11 Thread Terry Maurice

Aaren

With respect to your mic situation, did you check the proper box on the 
input to make sure that you have the front panel mic turned on? You can 
select either the front or rear mic input from the menu.


Terry


On 11/10/2012 23:09, Tony wrote:

Aaren:


1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box.


Check to make sure that the notch on the mic connector is lined up 
correctly with the port when you plug it in. I've noticed that some 
connectors go in without the notch being aligned.


Tony


On 10/11/2012 10:54 PM, Aaren Jensen wrote:
I took delivery of a new 5000a with ATU 3 days ago and I'm having a 
case of
panic and potential buyers remorse. Please expound some wisdom or 
talk me

off the cliff.


1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box. I've switched to a 
xlr
mic plugged into the balanced port on the rear and I'm clicking 
MOX on and
off to transmit. It's a work around but it looks like I'll 
already have to
send it back straight away for repair. Arggh. I have a ticket 
open with

Flex and I'm waiting for approval to return it.
2. Band conditions are horrible this week but for two nights 
browsing
around 80m and 40m are it's working and no problems other than my 
own

learning curve.
3. Tonight I venture onto 20m and every time I key the mic PowerSDR
freezes and crashes. Takes a few minutes to recover and reboot 
everything
and I try again with the same results. I was able to participate 
on a 80m
net with no problems, then back to 20m and more crashes. I 
thought it was

the power output and played with that, but no real pattern emerged?
4. At one point it locked up so bad I couldn't even start PowerSDR
anymore and had to remove the entire software package, reboot, 
reinstall,
reboot, and treat the rig like it was a fresh first time install 
again.
Back to 20m with everything new and default, tuned, keyed mic and 
app

crashes

Help oh wise Elmers on the mountain top.

73

VA7AEJ




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Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic

2012-10-11 Thread Charles Reiche
A simple line isolator saved my flex-3k from the trash heap.  I thought I
was going crazy and that I wasted my money.  Turns out it was just a little
RF getting back where it doesnt belong. Going through this helped me
realize that some things in my shack needs to be reworked. I'm sure alot of
people's shacks are like this. I love my radio now and it is a very capable
and fun machine to work with.   I'm sure you will be loving your 5k in
short order.
Stick with it!
Charles Reiche
N3CRT


On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Terry Maurice ve3...@execulink.comwrote:

 Aaren

 With respect to your mic situation, did you check the proper box on the
 input to make sure that you have the front panel mic turned on? You can
 select either the front or rear mic input from the menu.

 Terry



 On 11/10/2012 23:09, Tony wrote:

 Aaren:

  1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box.


 Check to make sure that the notch on the mic connector is lined up
 correctly with the port when you plug it in. I've noticed that some
 connectors go in without the notch being aligned.

 Tony


 On 10/11/2012 10:54 PM, Aaren Jensen wrote:

 I took delivery of a new 5000a with ATU 3 days ago and I'm having a case
 of
 panic and potential buyers remorse. Please expound some wisdom or talk me
 off the cliff.


 1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box. I've switched to a xlr
 mic plugged into the balanced port on the rear and I'm clicking MOX
 on and
 off to transmit. It's a work around but it looks like I'll already
 have to
 send it back straight away for repair. Arggh. I have a ticket open
 with
 Flex and I'm waiting for approval to return it.
 2. Band conditions are horrible this week but for two nights browsing
 around 80m and 40m are it's working and no problems other than my own
 learning curve.
 3. Tonight I venture onto 20m and every time I key the mic PowerSDR
 freezes and crashes. Takes a few minutes to recover and reboot
 everything
 and I try again with the same results. I was able to participate on
 a 80m
 net with no problems, then back to 20m and more crashes. I thought
 it was
 the power output and played with that, but no real pattern emerged?
 4. At one point it locked up so bad I couldn't even start PowerSDR
 anymore and had to remove the entire software package, reboot,
 reinstall,
 reboot, and treat the rig like it was a fresh first time install
 again.
 Back to 20m with everything new and default, tuned, keyed mic and app
 crashes

 Help oh wise Elmers on the mountain top.

 73

 VA7AEJ



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Re: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic

2012-10-11 Thread Robert Costa, KB6QXM
I have the same issue. Works on 80 and audio is distorted on 20 meters. I'll 
bet it is RF ingress issues like mine. Now to determine where the RF is coming 
into the radio.

73,
Robert
KB6QXM
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- Reply message -
From: Ken Akin kena...@gmail.com
To: aar...@gmail.com
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] New 5000a Owner Panic
Date: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:41 pm


Aaren -

The it works on 80, dies on 20  very much sounds like RF getting into the
computer.  Others can give you a list of things to check, but to start with
- you need a short solid ground connection between the 5000 and the PC.  RF
in the shack may result from high swr, keeping RF off of the outside of the
coax when it comes into the shack (using  *Toroidal Chokes* on the coax)
can help a lot.

73

Ken  AC0HO



On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote:

 Aaren:


  1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box.


 Check to make sure that the notch on the mic connector is lined up
 correctly with the port when you plug it in. I've noticed that some
 connectors go in without the notch being aligned.

 Tony



 On 10/11/2012 10:54 PM, Aaren Jensen wrote:

 I took delivery of a new 5000a with ATU 3 days ago and I'm having a case
 of
 panic and potential buyers remorse. Please expound some wisdom or talk me
 off the cliff.


 1. Front mic port is DOA right out of the box. I've switched to a xlr
 mic plugged into the balanced port on the rear and I'm clicking MOX
 on and
 off to transmit. It's a work around but it looks like I'll already
 have to
 send it back straight away for repair. Arggh. I have a ticket open
 with
 Flex and I'm waiting for approval to return it.
 2. Band conditions are horrible this week but for two nights browsing
 around 80m and 40m are it's working and no problems other than my own
 learning curve.
 3. Tonight I venture onto 20m and every time I key the mic PowerSDR
 freezes and crashes. Takes a few minutes to recover and reboot
 everything
 and I try again with the same results. I was able to participate on a
 80m
 net with no problems, then back to 20m and more crashes. I thought it
 was
 the power output and played with that, but no real pattern emerged?
 4. At one point it locked up so bad I couldn't even start PowerSDR
 anymore and had to remove the entire software package, reboot,
 reinstall,
 reboot, and treat the rig like it was a fresh first time install
 again.
 Back to 20m with everything new and default, tuned, keyed mic and app
 crashes

 Help oh wise Elmers on the mountain top.

 73

 VA7AEJ



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