Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code?
I thank everyone for their criticism, positive comments, negative comments, etc. on the new architecture thread that were aimed in my direction. I cannot speak for Flex, since I don't work for them or have a financial interest in Flex, but I have a couple of comments. I read all of the thread with interest and so has everyone at Flex. Those who have contributed and still contribute to the contents of the svn repositories and/or the hardware, user relations, commercial opportunities are SO much harder on ourselves than you could ever be. We smack each other about with cold hard facts and we argue as strongly as people can and remain on friendly terms. The most useful place for your direct criticisms of functionality or lack thereof is the bug database so we can keep track and make the internal smacking about remarks while we attempt to aid your enjoyment of the radio and the software that runs it and fix our mistakes. See you in Dayton I hope and hope you will enjoy seeing our work roll out in the next weeks, it should be fun! Bob N4HY -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. "You don't need to see the whole staircase, just take the first step.", MLK. Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code?
Hi Bruce But look at all the improvements we have gotten in that 4 year period! The software hasn't stood still at all and seems to be going into only-dreamed-upon territory with the work that Bob and Eric are doing. Plus the introduction of new radios which you may think does not directly affect you but it it keeps FlexRadio a healthy growing concern we all benefit! I am one of those guys that wants an OS X version of PowerSDR in the worst way but have not been willing to drop everything I am working on to do it so I cannot complain at all. I agree (ashamedly) with the guy who observed that any single negative statement provokes a rash of negative reaction and we shouldn't be that way. We love our radios, really like the company and its people and feel fortunate to be active in this exciting time, so please excuse us if we go overboard sometimes. We honestly just want everyone to get this excited! Neal K3NC 9 at 11:04 AM, Bruce K Hogg wrote: > > This has been ongoing for about four years now !! > > Maybe Next Year --- ??? > > Thank God this is just a Hobby > > Bruce > > On Sun, 10 May 2009 12:03:01 -0400, you wrote: > >>Geez, guys... Why is it that any time anybody raises just a little >>negative criticism they get jumped on? Give Barry a break. >> >>Barry, and all of us, bought a radio an integral part of which is the >>software that runs on a host PC. That software is pretty good, but it's >>far from perfect. I think we all know that. >> >>And, face it: We HAVE been told The New Architecture is coming for YEARs >>now. And Bob's answer wasn't exactly the most friendly. >> >>What we're all seeing here is a classic manifestation of how the open, >>volunteer written, software world works when it produces software that's >>a key part of paid product. Customers have opinions, expectations, and >>wants. Devs who don't get a pay check tend to please themselves and >>have little incentive to repeatedly answer the same customer criticism >>with patience or grace. Flex and PowerSDR aren't unique in this >>situation... if you'd like to see exactly the same situation in action, >>check out the Squeezebox audio device. >> >>But... c'mon. Just cuz a guy takes umbrage at receiving a flippant >>reply doesn't mean he should have his head handed to him. He DID buy >>the radio, and IS entitled to his views. >> >>Peter >>K1PGV >> >> >>___ >>FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >>FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >>http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >>Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >>Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: >>http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code?
This has been ongoing for about four years now !! Maybe Next Year --- ??? Thank God this is just a Hobby Bruce On Sun, 10 May 2009 12:03:01 -0400, you wrote: >Geez, guys... Why is it that any time anybody raises just a little >negative criticism they get jumped on? Give Barry a break. > >Barry, and all of us, bought a radio an integral part of which is the >software that runs on a host PC. That software is pretty good, but it's >far from perfect. I think we all know that. > >And, face it: We HAVE been told The New Architecture is coming for YEARs >now. And Bob's answer wasn't exactly the most friendly. > >What we're all seeing here is a classic manifestation of how the open, >volunteer written, software world works when it produces software that's >a key part of paid product. Customers have opinions, expectations, and >wants. Devs who don't get a pay check tend to please themselves and >have little incentive to repeatedly answer the same customer criticism >with patience or grace. Flex and PowerSDR aren't unique in this >situation... if you'd like to see exactly the same situation in action, >check out the Squeezebox audio device. > >But... c'mon. Just cuz a guy takes umbrage at receiving a flippant >reply doesn't mean he should have his head handed to him. He DID buy >the radio, and IS entitled to his views. > >Peter >K1PGV > > >___ >FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz >Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ >Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code?
I am a paying customer and I haven't paid a cent for any of the improvements in the radio. Additionally, the improvement in performance for a conventional radio cannot compare to that of a software radio. Read my post again and explain how I'm implying that Flex should charge for software upgrades. I would not want them to go bankrupt. That would make absolutely no sense. Happy Mothers Day!! Edwin Marzan AB2VW From: rbee...@hotmail.com To: edwin_mar...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code? Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 05:49:44 + Ed What the heck are you talking about? Not a paying customer, huh? Let me remind you that Yaesu, Elecraft and Ten Tec are selling radios that allow digital engineering downloads to improve unit performance. Yaesu and Elecraft are pretty darned aggressive in system upgrades. They don't charge a customer a cent to download the most recent upgrades. So, you are saying that you think that Flex Radio should be charging for software upgrades? That's a recipe for bankruptcy. They need to get the new architecture out or announce that it's dead. Dick W5AK s > From: edwin_mar...@hotmail.com > To: bjablon...@att.net; rwmcgw...@gmail.com; flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:50:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code? > > > Barry, > > > > 30 years eh? Please note that the paying customers are not paying anything > for this new architecture and will wait patiently until the folks at Flex > feel it is ready for release. I've had my SDR1000 for over 2 years and have > enjoyed every second with this fantastic radio. FlexRadio systems has lived > up to it's promise of providing a radio that keeps getting better. If they > stopped improving the product I would still be satisfied. Instead of > complaining you should probably use your 30 years of experience to contribute > to the code base. > > > > I feel your comments are out of line. > > Edwin Marzan AB2VW > > > > > Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:33:13 -0400 > > From: bjablon...@att.net > > To: rwmcgw...@gmail.com; flexradio@flex-radio.biz > > Subject: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code? > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > It's "both obvious and seems prudent" to me (I've been in the > > engineering business for more than 30 years now) that you don't > > release alpha code to the general public for the reasons you have > > implied. It's also "both obvious and seems prudent" that you > > you don't put forth false promises to paying customers and promise a > > "new architecture" that's now more than two years late > > and no closer to reality. > > > > Please be more civil with your next response> > > > > Thank you. > > > > Barry > > > > > > ___ > > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: > > http://www.flex-radio.com/ > > _ > Hotmail® goes with you. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. Check it out. _ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code?
Geez, guys... Why is it that any time anybody raises just a little negative criticism they get jumped on? Give Barry a break. Barry, and all of us, bought a radio an integral part of which is the software that runs on a host PC. That software is pretty good, but it's far from perfect. I think we all know that. And, face it: We HAVE been told The New Architecture is coming for YEARs now. And Bob's answer wasn't exactly the most friendly. What we're all seeing here is a classic manifestation of how the open, volunteer written, software world works when it produces software that's a key part of paid product. Customers have opinions, expectations, and wants. Devs who don't get a pay check tend to please themselves and have little incentive to repeatedly answer the same customer criticism with patience or grace. Flex and PowerSDR aren't unique in this situation... if you'd like to see exactly the same situation in action, check out the Squeezebox audio device. But... c'mon. Just cuz a guy takes umbrage at receiving a flippant reply doesn't mean he should have his head handed to him. He DID buy the radio, and IS entitled to his views. Peter K1PGV ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code?
The question is whether you want something now or something that we know works. Its kinda like the people who complain when flights are delayed due to weather: do you really want to fly in a plane that the pilot doesn't want to fly? As with all "new architectures" (I am sure its your experience also since you have been in the business) there are more things to discover before you get it right. I know one expert that says you have to solve the problem once before you can write the software. The last "New Architecture" I was part of went overdue by 2+ years but worked on day one per spec. In the world of agile programming, they don't even give an end date, they just do multiple drops until its ready. Also, this is volunteer effort and people have to follow their own priorities. Bob gets pulled in a million directions, just as Frank, Eric, etc. I see just a glimpse of what they are doing and they are conscious of what they have said and what they can do. We are closer to reality, its just that it has to be right. If you see the progressions coming in the current thread (diversity rx, noise reduction, etc) we are getting plenty of new stuff almost on a weekly basis, again due to Bob, Eric, Frank, Bob, etc. Thanks to all those guys. We appreciate the work you do (outside of the "work you do")! Neal Campbell K3NC nealk...@gmail.com telnet to our DX Spotting clusters at: dxc.k3nc.com, port 23 PVRC 5M Award Manager http://www.pvrc.org/5M/index.php To submit: http://www.pvrc.org/5M/5Mform.php On May 9, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Barry Jablonski wrote: Hi Bob, It's "both obvious and seems prudent" to me (I've been in the engineering business for more than 30 years now) that you don't release alpha code to the general public for the reasons you have implied. It's also "both obvious and seems prudent" that you you don't put forth false promises to paying customers and promise a "new architecture" that's now more than two years late and no closer to reality. Please be more civil with your next response> Thank you. Barry ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code?
Barry, 30 years eh? Please note that the paying customers are not paying anything for this new architecture and will wait patiently until the folks at Flex feel it is ready for release. I've had my SDR1000 for over 2 years and have enjoyed every second with this fantastic radio. FlexRadio systems has lived up to it's promise of providing a radio that keeps getting better. If they stopped improving the product I would still be satisfied. Instead of complaining you should probably use your 30 years of experience to contribute to the code base. I feel your comments are out of line. Edwin Marzan AB2VW > Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:33:13 -0400 > From: bjablon...@att.net > To: rwmcgw...@gmail.com; flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code? > > Hi Bob, > > It's "both obvious and seems prudent" to me (I've been in the > engineering business for more than 30 years now) that you don't > release alpha code to the general public for the reasons you have > implied. It's also "both obvious and seems prudent" that you > you don't put forth false promises to paying customers and promise a > "new architecture" that's now more than two years late > and no closer to reality. > > Please be more civil with your next response> > > Thank you. > > Barry > > > ___ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ > Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ _ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code?
There is a private repository for it now, the name wll be revealed at Dayton and it is not yet available to the public. We do not want people testing things that might be so broken that you are either operating illegally or may damage your radio until we test things much more carefully. Surely that is both obvious and seems prudent. Bob N4HY Tim Ellison wrote: There is no "new architecture" software available to test with. It is still in pre-alpha development available only to the developers. It isn't at a state where you can get it to run since there is no GUI for it yet. Just low level components are talking to one another. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Barry Jablonski Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:43 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code? Can anyone point me to where the "new architecture" alpha code (SVN) resides? I'd like to start testing it. Barry ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. "You don't need to see the whole staircase, just take the first step.", MLK. Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code?
There is no "new architecture" software available to test with. It is still in pre-alpha development available only to the developers. It isn't at a state where you can get it to run since there is no GUI for it yet. Just low level components are talking to one another. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Barry Jablonski Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:43 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] New architecture SVN Alpha code? Can anyone point me to where the "new architecture" alpha code (SVN) resides? I'd like to start testing it. Barry ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
