Re: [Flexradio] the cost
David, FlexRadio has *no *exclusive dealer agreements within the EU. In fact, in your country we sell through both of the UK's largest ham radio dealers, MLS and WS. They both do a very good job for us. You are also free to buy from dealers in other countries within the EU. http://www.flexradio.com/About.aspx?topic=intldist Many countries within the EU have laws that are more onerous than those of Germany for direct sales so we sell only through dealers in those countries so that they take responsibility for legal compliance. Regards, Gerald Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR President and CEO FlexRadio Systems(TM) Email: ger...@flexradio.com Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flex-radio.com/ Tune In Excitement (TM) PowerSDR(TM) is a trademark of FlexRadio Systems On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM, David Painter david.pain...@ntlworld.comwrote: Brian, I don't think it has anything to do with UK or even EU Governments per se. (Institutionalised theft (Taxation) I would agree with you. I believe it stems from the relatively poor sales positioning Flex has in Europe and their lack of clout with their dealer network who lock them into exclusive agreements so that they (the Dealers) can extort higher prices from their customers. If you look on the Flex site under On Line Store you will see that hams in Germany can obtain Flex eqpt direct from the US without restriction and they are, most decidedly, part of the EU. Its called 'restraint of trade' and is something the UK/EU has suffered from for years. Enjoy your new radio. David - G4PNX --- BTW, if you don't like the prices over there, complain to your government. I think that Flex would happily sell you one directly if they could but ... --- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL __**_ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/**mailman/listinfo/flexradio_**flex-radio.bizhttp://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] the cost
Interesting idea, but you know, the Yaesu rugs that cost $10,000 and up are selling. If the performance can blow that radio out of the water, then the $7K price is actually a bargain. People with that kind of cash on hand are not really being affected by the bad ecomony as they are wealthy enough to afford it and pay others to make them more money. IMHO. Justin KB1TFH On May 19, 2012, at 8:18 AM, paim wrote: just my own opinion since we all live in very bad economy if the price of $7k or any in this area it is very high make me wonder how many people will buy black box for $7k or 7.000 euro or more , ? the price to add for update is make it high as well but not for all of us , I will say if the price is $2100 or in this area I will say update of $300 OR £300 WILL WORK GREAT FOR EVERY ONE this for a year .flex will make more mony by doing it .since they will sale more and get more . yes it cost money nothing is for free and I am sure flex will have 0 bug on since you pay for it no ?? flex keep the price down so every one will have this new 6700 and enjoy it I hope they will vy 73 E.P g0uut/dl9fcc ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] the cost
I heard murmurings about the price of the 6700 on the floor at Dayton yesterday, and expected this to appear on the reflector. I have to say that I find the price on both the 6500 and the 6700 to be extremely fair. What do I base this opinion on? Look at 6000 series pamphlet, and Google the FPGAs that Flex are using; the Xlinx XC6VLX130T (used in the 6700) cost, in single unit quantities, over $1200.00 USD! FPGAs are complex, expensive, their yields are low and the price of the development tools are not cheap. My company uses a suite that cost $40K USD per seat... I'm sure that Flex is pricing both models as competitively as possible, and is not using a prestige pricing model. I'm also sure that, based on sales of 1500s and 3000s, they are well aware that many people can't (or won't) pay $7K. This is why they are offering two models, so as to compete in two price-to-performance arenas. Personally, I most certainly do not want Flex to de-content the 6700 to make it more affordable. I want the performance advantages of the 6700 and am willing to pay for it. Mike Alexander amsct...@comcast.net - Original Message - From: paim paimg0...@btinternet.com To: Reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:18:51 AM Subject: [Flexradio] the cost just my own opinion since we all live in very bad economy if the price of $7k or any in this area it is very high make me wonder how many people will buy black box for $7k or 7.000 euro or more , ? the price to add for update is make it high as well but not for all of us , I will say if the price is $2100 or in this area I will say update of $300 OR £300 WILL WORK GREAT FOR EVERY ONE this for a year .flex will make more mony by doing it .since they will sale more and get more . yes it cost money nothing is for free and I am sure flex will have 0 bug on since you pay for it no ?? flex keep the price down so every one will have this new 6700 and enjoy it I hope they will vy 73 E.P g0uut/dl9fcc ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] the cost
Observations from a big cat wranglerfor me, the only thing more exciting than working with one of our big cats here at BCFC, a 501(c)(3) non profit feline sanctuary, is taking a break between tours to sneak off and work 6 meters on my little Flex 1500! Now here's the big news: for many of us who are unable to plunk down 6K for a 6000, the introduction of this new radio may drive the Flex 5000 market down to the point where we may see, for the first time, these great 5000's available on the used market as flex-a-holics trade up. As I spoke to Tim at Flex yesterday, he communicated to me that there may be a few used 5000's available directly through Flex, under full warranty, at price points that we have never seen before. Not to shabby! Best, Jim Broaddus de nx4e Panama City, Florida On Sat, 19 May 2012 13:21:44 + (UTC) amsct...@comcast.net writes: I heard murmurings about the price of the 6700 on the floor at Dayton yesterday, and expected this to appear on the reflector. I have to say that I find the price on both the 6500 and the 6700 to be extremely fair. What do I base this opinion on? Look at 6000 series pamphlet, and Google the FPGAs that Flex are using; the Xlinx XC6VLX130T (used in the 6700) cost, in single unit quantities, over $1200.00 USD! FPGAs are complex, expensive, their yields are low and the price of the development tools are not cheap. My company uses a suite that cost $40K USD per seat... I'm sure that Flex is pricing both models as competitively as possible, and is not using a prestige pricing model. I'm also sure that, based on sales of 1500s and 3000s, they are well aware that many people can't (or won't) pay $7K. This is why they are offering two models, so as to compete in two price-to-performance arenas. Personally, I most certainly do not want Flex to de-content the 6700 to make it more affordable. I want the performance advantages of the 6700 and am willing to pay for it. Mike Alexander amsct...@comcast.net - Original Message - From: paim paimg0...@btinternet.com To: Reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:18:51 AM Subject: [Flexradio] the cost just my own opinion since we all live in very bad economy if the price of $7k or any in this area it is very high make me wonder how many people will buy black box for $7k or 7.000 euro or more , ? the price to add for update is make it high as well but not for all of us , I will say if the price is $2100 or in this area I will say update of $300 OR �300 WILL WORK GREAT FOR EVERY ONE this for a year .flex will make more mony by doing it .since they will sale more and get more . yes it cost money nothing is for free and I am sure flex will have 0 bug on since you pay for it no ?? flex keep the price down so every one will have this new 6700 and enjoy it I hope they will vy 73 E.P g0uut/dl9fcc ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ Jim Broaddus Bear Creek Feline Center (BCFC) Panama City, Florida USA 850 722-9927 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fb7a9668f673145b54dst04vuc ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] the cost
Good Point Jim also drive down the Flex 3000's:). I still have a lot fun with my Flex 1500. Worked and a nice rig chew with Ed VP9CE (fm72) last night on 6 meters. 5/9+ at times. Hope to make Dayton next year! Rick Kd4jrx FM14ab -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of bearcreekcatt...@juno.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:08 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] the cost Observations from a big cat wranglerfor me, the only thing more exciting than working with one of our big cats here at BCFC, a 501(c)(3) non profit feline sanctuary, is taking a break between tours to sneak off and work 6 meters on my little Flex 1500! Now here's the big news: for many of us who are unable to plunk down 6K for a 6000, the introduction of this new radio may drive the Flex 5000 market down to the point where we may see, for the first time, these great 5000's available on the used market as flex-a-holics trade up. As I spoke to Tim at Flex yesterday, he communicated to me that there may be a few used 5000's available directly through Flex, under full warranty, at price points that we have never seen before. Not to shabby! Best, Jim Broaddus de nx4e Panama City, Florida On Sat, 19 May 2012 13:21:44 + (UTC) amsct...@comcast.net writes: I heard murmurings about the price of the 6700 on the floor at Dayton yesterday, and expected this to appear on the reflector. I have to say that I find the price on both the 6500 and the 6700 to be extremely fair. What do I base this opinion on? Look at 6000 series pamphlet, and Google the FPGAs that Flex are using; the Xlinx XC6VLX130T (used in the 6700) cost, in single unit quantities, over $1200.00 USD! FPGAs are complex, expensive, their yields are low and the price of the development tools are not cheap. My company uses a suite that cost $40K USD per seat... I'm sure that Flex is pricing both models as competitively as possible, and is not using a prestige pricing model. I'm also sure that, based on sales of 1500s and 3000s, they are well aware that many people can't (or won't) pay $7K. This is why they are offering two models, so as to compete in two price-to-performance arenas. Personally, I most certainly do not want Flex to de-content the 6700 to make it more affordable. I want the performance advantages of the 6700 and am willing to pay for it. Mike Alexander amsct...@comcast.net - Original Message - From: paim paimg0...@btinternet.com To: Reflector flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:18:51 AM Subject: [Flexradio] the cost just my own opinion since we all live in very bad economy if the price of $7k or any in this area it is very high make me wonder how many people will buy black box for $7k or 7.000 euro or more , ? the price to add for update is make it high as well but not for all of us , I will say if the price is $2100 or in this area I will say update of $300 OR 300 WILL WORK GREAT FOR EVERY ONE this for a year .flex will make more mony by doing it .since they will sale more and get more . yes it cost money nothing is for free and I am sure flex will have 0 bug on since you pay for it no ?? flex keep the price down so every one will have this new 6700 and enjoy it I hope they will vy 73 E.P g0uut/dl9fcc ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ Jim Broaddus Bear Creek Feline Center (BCFC) Panama City, Florida USA 850 722-9927 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fb7a9668f673145b54dst04vuc ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] the cost
Burt yes you are right , however there will be some who will buy it if not many of us for sure, this come to my main how many of you bought the 5000c ? I know only of 1 guy in HB9 who have it and I am a lot on the Air 7 days a week speaking to many 100 3000 and 5000 user /and other only one time I was speaking to this guy who have 5000c , may be this give you some more indication , I am sure the 6000 will be the best radio out there . vy 73 E.P g0uut From: Burt k1...@yahoo.com To: paim paimg0...@btinternet.com Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2012, 16:56 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] the cost I did not believe the hype that it was a game changer but it looks like it is However a button radio would likely still be usable in 30 years This radio we would be lucky to get 10 years out of since it depends on fast changing operating sytems. The Flex 1000 only 8 years old is very outdated whereas the IC-756 PRO III HF is about the same age but not as nearly outdated I can afford the price of the 6000 series but isn't that a bit much for a radio that will be gone in ten years? --- On Sat, 5/19/12, paim paimg0...@btinternet.com wrote: just my own opinion since we all live in very bad economy if the price of $7k or any in this area it is very high make me wonder how many people will buy black box for $7k or 7.000 euro or more , ? the price to add for update is make it high as well but not for all of us , I will say if the price is $2100 or in this area I will say update of $300 OR £300 WILL WORK GREAT FOR EVERY ONE this for a year .flex will make more mony by doing it .since they will sale more and get more . yes it cost money nothing is for free and I am sure flex will have 0 bug on since you pay for it no ?? flex keep the price down so every one will have this new 6700 and enjoy it I hope they will vy 73 E.P g0uut/dl9fcc ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, paim paimg0...@btinternet.com wrote: just my own opinion since we all live in very bad economy if the price of $7k or any in this area it is very high make me wonder how many people will buy black box for $7k or 7.000 euro or more , ? Rumor has it that Flex already has over 100 orders. At $7000 apiece that is well on its way to $1M in sales! I think that the 6700 is going to do very well. the price to add for update is make it high as well but not for all of us , I will say if the price is $2100 or in this area I will say update of $300 OR £300 WILL WORK GREAT FOR EVERY ONE this for a year .flex will make more mony by doing it .since they will sale more and get more . yes it cost money nothing is for free and I am sure flex will have 0 bug on since you pay for it no ?? flex keep the price down so every one will have this new 6700 and enjoy it I hope they will Eventually there will be a cost-reduced version of the direct sampling radio. It will probably work its way down the chain, displacing the 5000, then the 3000, and eventually the 1500. But that will take many years and the appearance of less expensive components, e.g. analog-to-digital converters, processors, and FPGAs. So, if you wait, you will get the $2100 direct-sampling radio you desire. I promise. But if you want one NOW, you are going to pay $7000 for it (here in the US). BTW, if you don't like the prices over there, complain to your government. I think that Flex would happily sell you one directly if they could but ... -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 br...@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] the cost
Brian, I don't think it has anything to do with UK or even EU Governments per se. (Institutionalised theft (Taxation) I would agree with you. I believe it stems from the relatively poor sales positioning Flex has in Europe and their lack of clout with their dealer network who lock them into exclusive agreements so that they (the Dealers) can extort higher prices from their customers. If you look on the Flex site under On Line Store you will see that hams in Germany can obtain Flex eqpt direct from the US without restriction and they are, most decidedly, part of the EU. Its called 'restraint of trade' and is something the UK/EU has suffered from for years. Enjoy your new radio. David - G4PNX --- BTW, if you don't like the prices over there, complain to your government. I think that Flex would happily sell you one directly if they could but ... --- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM, David Painter david.pain...@ntlworld.comwrote: Brian, I don't think it has anything to do with UK or even EU Governments per se. (Institutionalised theft (Taxation) I would agree with you. I believe it stems from the relatively poor sales positioning Flex has in Europe and their lack of clout with their dealer network who lock them into exclusive agreements so that they (the Dealers) can extort higher prices from their customers. If you look on the Flex site under On Line Store you will see that hams in Germany can obtain Flex eqpt direct from the US without restriction and they are, most decidedly, part of the EU. Huh. Could be. I was under the impression that the radios had to pass PTT approval for the country involved and therefore had to be approved devices. I am surprised at Germany ... or maybe not. ;-) Its called 'restraint of trade' and is something the UK/EU has suffered from for years. Well, if you want me to buy one for you and then ship it on, I will. I have friends all over the world for whom I act as inside-the-US-transshipping-point. ;-) Seems many vendors will not ship product outside the US borders so I help with that problem. What can I say -- I am an anarchic libertarian. ;-) Enjoy your new radio. I will! And I hope you are able to get one at a reasonable price. David - G4PNX --- BTW, if you don't like the prices over there, complain to your government. I think that Flex would happily sell you one directly if they could but ... --- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL __**_ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/**mailman/listinfo/flexradio_**flex-radio.bizhttp://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 br...@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
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I stand to be corrected but I believe that so long as the electronics items concerned is CE Approved and is RoHS Compliant then everything should go smoothly. Thanks for the offer but I have a Brother In Law who would be delighted to do the honours however, after almost five years of meaningless, disingenuous announcements from FRS re enhancements/upgrades I do not believe anything they say. My advice to anyone contemplating purchasing anything from FRS is to make sure that it does everything you want it to do...today..straight out of the box. As history has shown you cannot, indeed must not, rely on any promises FRS may make regarding future upgrades/upgradeability. Many thanks Brian, David - G4PNX - Original Message - From: Brian Lloyd To: David Painter Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] the cost On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM, David Painter david.pain...@ntlworld.com wrote: Brian, I don't think it has anything to do with UK or even EU Governments per se. (Institutionalised theft (Taxation) I would agree with you. I believe it stems from the relatively poor sales positioning Flex has in Europe and their lack of clout with their dealer network who lock them into exclusive agreements so that they (the Dealers) can extort higher prices from their customers. If you look on the Flex site under On Line Store you will see that hams in Germany can obtain Flex eqpt direct from the US without restriction and they are, most decidedly, part of the EU. Huh. Could be. I was under the impression that the radios had to pass PTT approval for the country involved and therefore had to be approved devices. I am surprised at Germany ... or maybe not. ;-) Its called 'restraint of trade' and is something the UK/EU has suffered from for years. Well, if you want me to buy one for you and then ship it on, I will. I have friends all over the world for whom I act as inside-the-US-transshipping-point. ;-) Seems many vendors will not ship product outside the US borders so I help with that problem. What can I say -- I am an anarchic libertarian. ;-) Enjoy your new radio. I will! And I hope you are able to get one at a reasonable price. David - G4PNX --- BTW, if you don't like the prices over there, complain to your government. I think that Flex would happily sell you one directly if they could but ... --- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
