RE: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
I am told that the Athean Graphics Hurricane has a dual-head PCI card that works in the Dell Latitude docking station I am using. I ordered one and will give it a shot. I will try it in my Dell tower as well. And i will buy another one if it works in both machines. Mark -Original Message- From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:37:16 -0700 (PDT), Gene Buckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If memory serves, it's a Radeon VE. I'm using it with two 17 flat panels. The machine is a Dell dual P4 running Win2k. ..hmmm. Have you tried it under Linux? Mandrake 8.2 or Red Hat 7.3 may be a better choise to support the card, considering ATI's policy towards XFree86.org and Microsoft's policy towards pro-open-source vendors. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:37:16 -0700 (PDT), Gene Buckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If memory serves, it's a Radeon VE. I'm using it with two 17 flat panels. The machine is a Dell dual P4 running Win2k. ..hmmm. Have you tried it under Linux? Mandrake 8.2 or Red Hat 7.3 may be a better choise to support the card, considering ATI's policy towards XFree86.org and Microsoft's policy towards pro-open-source vendors. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
If memory serves, it's a Radeon VE. I'm using it with two 17 flat panels. The machine is a Dell dual P4 running Win2k. ..hmmm. Have you tried it under Linux? Mandrake 8.2 or Red Hat 7.3 may be a better choise to support the card, considering ATI's policy towards XFree86.org and Microsoft's policy towards pro-open-source vendors. It's a work machine. I need Win2k to do my job. :) Besides, if it was my personal machine, I'd never have spec'd an ATI _anything_ in there. :) g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:57:09 -0600 Boslough, Mark B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am attempting to run flightgear under Windows 2000 on a machine with 2 monitors. My primary monitor is driven by a Geforce 3, and my second one is ... MX, so I don't think it is a video driver problem. Is there a way to run on either monitor on a dual system (or even better, is there a way to span 2 monitors with one fgfs window)? I've got two monitors run off a single, dual-head GeForce 2 MX/400. Twin view is enabled. I use the nVidia driver. When I crank up FlightGear I can maximize it and it spans both screens just fine. The only drawback is that the panel fills up pretty much the whole window - I get no out the window view above it. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
Thanks Jon, Mine are both single head, the Geforce 3 is AGP and the other is PCI. Maybe that's the problem. I always run with the heads-up display anyway so the panel problem probably would not be an issue for me. I'll see if I can find a duel head PCI card. Mark -Original Message- From: Jon S Berndt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:57:09 -0600 Boslough, Mark B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am attempting to run flightgear under Windows 2000 on a machine with 2 monitors. My primary monitor is driven by a Geforce 3, and my second one is ... MX, so I don't think it is a video driver problem. Is there a way to run on either monitor on a dual system (or even better, is there a way to span 2 monitors with one fgfs window)? I've got two monitors run off a single, dual-head GeForce 2 MX/400. Twin view is enabled. I use the nVidia driver. When I crank up FlightGear I can maximize it and it spans both screens just fine. The only drawback is that the panel fills up pretty much the whole window - I get no out the window view above it. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
On Thu, 30 May 2002 14:14:13 -0600 Boslough, Mark B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jon, Mine are both single head, the Geforce 3 is AGP and the other is PCI. Maybe that's the problem. I always run with the heads-up display anyway so the panel problem probably would not be an issue for me. I'll see if I can find a duel head PCI card. I'm not sure how things would work if you run with two video cards. That might screw things up - especially if one is dual head. I'd recommend going to the Amamax web site (www.amamax.com) and buying their Inno3D Dual Head AGP GeForce2 MX/400 card w/64 MB RAM and TV out. It should run about $100. If you want to run a second card, I think it ought to be the PCI card. That ought to get you three heads. I think that can be made to work, from what I've read on the Inno3D site, but don't quote me. Jon Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
Jon S Berndt writes: I'm not sure how things would work if you run with two video cards. Think about some of the implications ... For instance, textures are stored on the card, so if you load a texture into one card, it would some how need to be loaded into the 2nd card if a portion of the window overlaps onto the second display ... not impossible, but perhaps beyond the scope of current drivers. If a window spans two cards, the drivers would some how have to draw to both cards at the same time ... again this get's really complicated really fast. You say you have two different cards with perhaps different amounts of texture ram, and each possibly supporting different extensions. What if you fill up the texture ram of the card with less onboard ram and not the other? What if you start an application on one card, the app queries to see what extension that card supports, and then you drag the window over to a less capable card? What if you have two card from different vendors with no cooperation between the respective driver writers? There are some really tough, complicated issues here so it doesn't suprise me if the driver writers dropped 10 yards and punted on this. Curt. That might screw things up - especially if one is dual head. I'd recommend going to the Amamax web site (www.amamax.com) and buying their Inno3D Dual Head AGP GeForce2 MX/400 card w/64 MB RAM and TV out. It should run about $100. If you want to run a second card, I think it ought to be the PCI card. That ought to get you three heads. I think that can be made to work, from what I've read on the Inno3D site, but don't quote me. Jon Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
Does that mean that my GeForce 3 is overkill for fgfs? -Original Message- From: Jon S Berndt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 2:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors On Thu, 30 May 2002 14:14:13 -0600 Boslough, Mark B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jon, Mine are both single head, the Geforce 3 is AGP and the other is PCI. Maybe that's the problem. I always run with the heads-up display anyway so the panel problem probably would not be an issue for me. I'll see if I can find a duel head PCI card. I'm not sure how things would work if you run with two video cards. That might screw things up - especially if one is dual head. I'd recommend going to the Amamax web site (www.amamax.com) and buying their Inno3D Dual Head AGP GeForce2 MX/400 card w/64 MB RAM and TV out. It should run about $100. If you want to run a second card, I think it ought to be the PCI card. That ought to get you three heads. I think that can be made to work, from what I've read on the Inno3D site, but don't quote me. Jon Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
Boslough, Mark B writes: Does that mean that my GeForce 3 is overkill for fgfs? As I understand it, the GeForce3 can run at higher resolutions than a GeForce2 for the same frame rate. The GeForce3 introduces workable antialiasing. The GeForce2 antialiasing is not generally useful ... i.e. it's not something you'd want to just turn on and forget about it. The GeForce3 probably supports additional opengl extension and I'm sure has higher throughput throughout ... Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Gene Buckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's generally accepted in the flight simulator community that trying to get two out-the-cockpit views on the same computer is a Bad Idea(tm). I might modify your statement to read: two individual video cards on the same computer is a bad idea. A dual head card - at least in my case - works very good. The drawback is as I stated before, but that can be fixed by not displaying the panel. The HUD, however, is split between two monitors. Other than that, it's flawless and fast. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
Jon S Berndt writes: A dual head card - at least in my case - works very good. The drawback is as I stated before, but that can be fixed by not displaying the panel. The HUD, however, is split between two monitors. Other than that, it's flawless and fast. This is one of the arguments for using the ssgContext mechanism instead of one global GL context as we currently do in that then one could shift the individual contexts arround through sh.. the properties /sh.. This is assuming of course that the HUD and Panel were had their own ssgContext. Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
On Thu, 30 May 2002 14:13:31 -0700 (PDT), Gene Buckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The only dual-head card I'v ever dealt with is this ATI peice of crap in my workstation here at work. It *sucks* (for VERY large values of suck). ATI couldn't write a driver properly if you held a gun to their collective heads and their lives depended on it. ..which ATI dual head card? Product URL? What OS etc? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual monitors
The only dual-head card I'v ever dealt with is this ATI peice of crap in my workstation here at work. It *sucks* (for VERY large values of suck). ATI couldn't write a driver properly if you held a gun to their collective heads and their lives depended on it. ..which ATI dual head card? Product URL? What OS etc? If memory serves, it's a Radeon VE. I'm using it with two 17 flat panels. The machine is a Dell dual P4 running Win2k. g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
