Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld
Hey guys. I see my email generated a bunch of response. I am going to get the latest build for OS X and check it out. I would be happy to help coordinate testing of new features for it. As far as LinuxWorld goes, I would love to coordinate or help coordinate it. I'm just about to move to a new job which is right near Javits which is nice. If you guys want me to coordinate just let me know. I am sure I could supply some hardware also, I'd even bring my Titanium Powerbook :) If someone is already organizing, or whomever did it previous years, wants to get in touch with me, lets talk, Just email me here. And as far as OS X, I'll get it built and talk to the other OS X developers and hopefully I can help out! -Randy On 8/24/03 1:47 AM, jj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always enjoyed the shows, and was sorry that the sfo booth didn't happen. Be looking forward to participating in New York! jj - Original Message - From: Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld John Check wrote: On Friday 22 August 2003 11:01 pm, Curtis L. Olson wrote: The flipside is that it is also a lot of work, and hauling equipment in and out is not necessarily an easy task. Javits Center is a lot better than Moscone in that regard. The main issue is anything with wheels is supposed to be handled by a union member. With a bit of luck we might be able to get some sgi gear to run FlightGear (both IRIX and Linux). Anyone think this might be worth some effort? Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel Swiss American Securities Inc. MMS sasiny.com made the following annotations on 08/26/03 15:45:41 -- [ALERT] -- Access Manager: DISCLAIMER: This e-mail contains proprietary and confidential information some or all of which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person authorized. If you are not the intended recipient and an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author IMMEDIATELY, by replying to this e-mail, then delete this message and all copies from all locations in your system. You should not use, disseminate, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or rely on this e-mail: to do so may be unlawful. Swiss American Securities Inc. (SASI) and its affiliates reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through their networks. ***Please note that this message may contain preliminary information regarding transactions that have been executed for your account and are subject to final confirmation. == ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld
On Saturday 23 August 2003 4:21 am, Erik Hofman wrote: John Check wrote: On Friday 22 August 2003 11:01 pm, Curtis L. Olson wrote: The flipside is that it is also a lot of work, and hauling equipment in and out is not necessarily an easy task. Javits Center is a lot better than Moscone in that regard. The main issue is anything with wheels is supposed to be handled by a union member. With a bit of luck we might be able to get some sgi gear to run FlightGear (both IRIX and Linux). Anyone think this might be worth some effort? I guess it all depends what you mean. If you know you have a good shot at getting loaded hardware to the venue, then sure. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld
I've always enjoyed the shows, and was sorry that the sfo booth didn't happen. Be looking forward to participating in New York! jj - Original Message - From: Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld John Check wrote: On Friday 22 August 2003 11:01 pm, Curtis L. Olson wrote: The flipside is that it is also a lot of work, and hauling equipment in and out is not necessarily an easy task. Javits Center is a lot better than Moscone in that regard. The main issue is anything with wheels is supposed to be handled by a union member. With a bit of luck we might be able to get some sgi gear to run FlightGear (both IRIX and Linux). Anyone think this might be worth some effort? Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld
On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 11:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 7 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:01:16 -0500 From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld To: FlightGear developers discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Randy Locklair writes: My name's Randy Locklair, I'm a student pilot and a long time developer and I joined the list to find out a couple of things. Hi Randy, First of all I'd like to know what the status is of the MacOS port. I mainly use os X lately and I'd like to get involved. If no one is running the show I'd be happy to take over. The last Mac OS X build that I'm aware of was for version 0.8.0. Right now we are at version 0.9.2 for the most recent official release, but I haven't seen a Mac build yet. :-( I thought I announced this? Yup... http://seneca.me.umn.edu/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2003-June/ 018246.html Curt, I'll email you directly next time so this doesn't go unnoticed again. Note that this binary won't work on 10.1. I think this was compiled with GCC 3.3. I've also put in the PLIB optimizations for sl and ssg that I've written, to make it run reasonably well (without the ssg optimization it is rather pathetic - and yes, this is the same optimization I've mentioned many times in the past). May I remind folks that sourceforge has a Mac OS X machine in their compile farm - so if you don't have access to a mac, you can still compile your code there and build new releases. You won't be able to test, of course - but 99.99% of the time if FlightGear compiles, it runs just fine. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld
On Friday 22 August 2003 11:01 pm, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Randy Locklair writes: My name's Randy Locklair, I'm a student pilot and a long time developer and I joined the list to find out a couple of things. Hi Randy, First of all I'd like to know what the status is of the MacOS port. I mainly use os X lately and I'd like to get involved. If no one is running the show I'd be happy to take over. The last Mac OS X build that I'm aware of was for version 0.8.0. Right now we are at version 0.9.2 for the most recent official release, but I haven't seen a Mac build yet. :-( We have had a couple people working with Mac OS X, but my sense is that there hasn't been a lot of recent activity. It would be great to get more Mac developers involved and get more activity going on the Mac side. I know that one thing that would be nice would be to make FlightGear a little more Mac friendly, and perhaps bundle up the result in a more mac friendly way. OSX is unix underneath, but I get the sense that most Mac people view the keyboard as a useless appendage (kind of like unix people view the mouse) :-) I once tried to go through installing the 0.8.0 Mac OS X build with a knowledgable Mac guy here locally. I'd say stuff like make a directory, cd to such and such, now run tar to extract some file, etc. etc. He would click and drag and click and drag and copy and paste, and drop icons into text windows and other sort of strange behavior after some effort (and apparent magic) the task would get accomplished. So I think what I learned from this experience is that even though Mac OSX is unix underneath, it still might be worth some effort to make the Mac build a little more mac friendly. Even with OS X, being a mac expert doesn't necessarily mean being a unix expert. Also, I read somewhere about you guys being at the .org pavillion at LinuxWorld. I don't know who organizes that or if anyone is planning to for January 2004 in New York, but I'd be happy to organize/help with that too. We missed the most recent SFO linux world, but if we can get someone to head up a booth in NY, that would be great. I think there are a couple other developers in the area as well. We did a booth out there one year. My wife will be very pregnant about that time so I don't think I'll be able to help much myself, beyond offering tips and suggestions. Actually '01 and '02. I didn't see any indication registration opened up for '04 yet. It's a pretty good bet JIm Wilson will come down. If somebody else wants to be boothmeister, just give me a heads up so we don't get the fine folks at IDG confused. The paperwork end isn't a real big burden, you just have to stay on top of dealines. I will say that it is a blast to do a booth ... you get to talk about FlightGear all day long. What could be better?!? :-) Sign up to give a conference session, they feed you. The flipside is that it is also a lot of work, and hauling equipment in and out is not necessarily an easy task. Javits Center is a lot better than Moscone in that regard. The main issue is anything with wheels is supposed to be handled by a union member. The FlightGear booth is usually pretty popular. People walk around and see a lot of nicely packaged stuff, but most of it is static ... maybe a tiny computer that can run linux, or some PC vendor, or boring business software, or some sysadmin tool that looks best on a 80x24 xterm, or some big name like IBM which has a big fancy booth that is well staffed by people in matching shirts handing out cool pens, but still, usually nothing too fun on the computer screens. Then people walk by the FlightGear booth and see linux being used as a platform to run a cool 3d application. It's very visual so after all the other boring :-) booths, we can come as a nice change of pace. :-) Regards, Curt. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld
Randy Locklair writes: My name's Randy Locklair, I'm a student pilot and a long time developer and I joined the list to find out a couple of things. Hi Randy, First of all I'd like to know what the status is of the MacOS port. I mainly use os X lately and I'd like to get involved. If no one is running the show I'd be happy to take over. The last Mac OS X build that I'm aware of was for version 0.8.0. Right now we are at version 0.9.2 for the most recent official release, but I haven't seen a Mac build yet. :-( We have had a couple people working with Mac OS X, but my sense is that there hasn't been a lot of recent activity. It would be great to get more Mac developers involved and get more activity going on the Mac side. I know that one thing that would be nice would be to make FlightGear a little more Mac friendly, and perhaps bundle up the result in a more mac friendly way. OSX is unix underneath, but I get the sense that most Mac people view the keyboard as a useless appendage (kind of like unix people view the mouse) :-) I once tried to go through installing the 0.8.0 Mac OS X build with a knowledgable Mac guy here locally. I'd say stuff like make a directory, cd to such and such, now run tar to extract some file, etc. etc. He would click and drag and click and drag and copy and paste, and drop icons into text windows and other sort of strange behavior after some effort (and apparent magic) the task would get accomplished. So I think what I learned from this experience is that even though Mac OSX is unix underneath, it still might be worth some effort to make the Mac build a little more mac friendly. Even with OS X, being a mac expert doesn't necessarily mean being a unix expert. Also, I read somewhere about you guys being at the .org pavillion at LinuxWorld. I don't know who organizes that or if anyone is planning to for January 2004 in New York, but I'd be happy to organize/help with that too. We missed the most recent SFO linux world, but if we can get someone to head up a booth in NY, that would be great. I think there are a couple other developers in the area as well. We did a booth out there one year. My wife will be very pregnant about that time so I don't think I'll be able to help much myself, beyond offering tips and suggestions. I will say that it is a blast to do a booth ... you get to talk about FlightGear all day long. What could be better?!? :-) The flipside is that it is also a lot of work, and hauling equipment in and out is not necessarily an easy task. The FlightGear booth is usually pretty popular. People walk around and see a lot of nicely packaged stuff, but most of it is static ... maybe a tiny computer that can run linux, or some PC vendor, or boring business software, or some sysadmin tool that looks best on a 80x24 xterm, or some big name like IBM which has a big fancy booth that is well staffed by people in matching shirts handing out cool pens, but still, usually nothing too fun on the computer screens. Then people walk by the FlightGear booth and see linux being used as a platform to run a cool 3d application. It's very visual so after all the other boring :-) booths, we can come as a nice change of pace. :-) Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Citiescurt 'at' me.umn.edu curt 'at' flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld
I keep FlightGear built for my Mac and the only changes required against CVS are all in plib (and have to do with the joystick interface). Let me know and I'll email the files to you. cvs server: Updating src/js M src/js/js.h M src/js/jsMacOSX.cxx Darrell Walisser is the official maintainer of the OS X port, and he has been working on getting ProjectBuilder projects put together for FlightGear and I'm not sure of its current state. You can use the standard Apple development tools to build FlightGear just as you would on any Linux platform. Jonathan Polley On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 09:20 PM, Randy Locklair wrote: Hey there. My name's Randy Locklair, I'm a student pilot and a long time developer and I joined the list to find out a couple of things. First of all I'd like to know what the status is of the MacOS port. I mainly use os X lately and I'd like to get involved. If no one is running the show I'd be happy to take over. Also, I read somewhere about you guys being at the .org pavillion at LinuxWorld. I don't know who organizes that or if anyone is planning to for January 2004 in New York, but I'd be happy to organize/help with that too. Nice to meet you all and hopefully I can get involved soon! Who ever is involved with the two above things get in touch with me on this email address or on the list :) Randy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MacOS X port, and linuxworld
On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 10:01PM, Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy Locklair writes: My name's Randy Locklair, I'm a student pilot and a long time developer and I joined the list to find out a couple of things. Hi Randy, First of all I'd like to know what the status is of the MacOS port. I mainly use os X lately and I'd like to get involved. If no one is running the show I'd be happy to take over. The last Mac OS X build that I'm aware of was for version 0.8.0. Right now we are at version 0.9.2 for the most recent official release, but I haven't seen a Mac build yet. :-( Darrel Walliser submitted a link to the MacOS X version of 0.9.2 on June 19 (http://seneca.me.umn.edu/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2003-June/018246.html) You can pull down the application from his web page (http://homepage.mac.com/walisser). Its under the Free Downloads section. Jonathan Polley ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
