Re: [Flightgear-devel] Polygon count
Quoting Stewart Andreason : leee wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2007 21:45, Berndt, Jon S wrote: What's a realistic upper limit for polygon count now for an aircraft model? 5000? 1? 25000? What's definitely out? Jon AFAIK, current top-end vid cards can handle several million textured polys (typically between 1 - 3 M) For a single model - don't worry too much, for n models as few as possible. LeeE Well, that's interesting. Lee, have you ever gotten a SegFault from a large .ac file? I don't think I ever got any reply to my gdb backtrace I posted Jan.26, so I still am interested in knowing about upper limits on polygon counts. There is a 32k vertices limit for individual objects in plib. But you can have as many objects as you want. Just don't merge them. I don't remember if there is an optimization pass in the ac3d loader that would aggregate individual triangle of the same OpenGL state. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278/partner/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGPropertyNode troubles
* Csaba Halász -- Friday 16 February 2007: On IRC ndim and I have been investigating a segfault (backtrace here: http://flightgear.lauft.net/yet-another-segfault-in-simgear.bt) Eew. I'll look into it later today, and discuss the problem with Maik. Haven't seen this crash yet (happens on exit after MP use?), but there's definitely something wrong. Thanks for reporting. m. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGPropertyNode troubles
OK, I found one old bug, one new bug, and one new bug in dead code (where it doesn't do any harm, but bug is bug). As I couldn't reproduce your problem before, I can also not say if this fixes it. Let's talk about that on IRC, where all the important things happen. ;-) m. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] OT: Importance; Was: SGPropertyNode troubles
Melchior FRANZ wrote: [...] Let's talk about that on IRC, where all the important things happen. ;-) Man, am I happy that we still have some niches left where you don't attempt to impose your attitude of what you consider to be relevant, important - or simply unimportant. This is one of the nice things about background-talk and the growing number of FlightGear related side-projects, where several contributors hide behind, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Polygon count
On Friday 16 February 2007 02:39, Stewart Andreason wrote: leee wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2007 21:45, Berndt, Jon S wrote: What's a realistic upper limit for polygon count now for an aircraft model? 5000? 1? 25000? What's definitely out? Jon AFAIK, current top-end vid cards can handle several million textured polys (typically between 1 - 3 M) For a single model - don't worry too much, for n models as few as possible. LeeE Well, that's interesting. Lee, have you ever gotten a SegFault from a large .ac file? I don't think I ever got any reply to my gdb backtrace I posted Jan.26, so I still am interested in knowing about upper limits on polygon counts. Stewart I've never seen that but I think that Fred B may have answered your question. LeeE - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Polygon count
Quoting leee : I've never seen that but I think that Fred B may have answered your question. I hit that limit by creating too much detailled sceneries with fgsd. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278/partner/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGPropertyNode troubles
On 2/16/07, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one new bug in dead code (where it doesn't do any harm, but bug is bug). If you mean the hash_table::erase(const char*) function doing funny things, then I've found that too. As I couldn't reproduce your problem before, I can also not say if this fixes it. Me neither. -- Jester - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and
Hi Stewart, Stewart Andreason wrote: I thought I was done, but you know how it goes. I thought of several ideas for improvements, and managed to write the code to do it. How would you define non-profit commercial use. Does your intention meet the demands of the GPLv2 ? Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and
Hi Martin, That quote comes from the credits file in the danube package, written by Matthew Allen, complete with misspellings and discontinued email addresses. My interpretation of non-commercial is, not to be sold by a business without compensation. I don't see FlightGear as commercial, or for profit. I received free (mostly), and give freely (with same conditions). As I read the GPL, I am fine with that. I did add animations to what I downloaded, but I don't think that violates the original work. I am not completely sure how to regard shuttle6, as I did more than convert the mesh to something usable, I did add to it. But I still credit the original author, but don't expect my name pasted all over my accomplishments. Does that cover every angle? Did I mis-interpret anything? Stewart Martin Spott wrote: Hi Stewart, Stewart Andreason wrote: I thought I was done, but you know how it goes. I thought of several ideas for improvements, and managed to write the code to do it. How would you define non-profit commercial use. Does your intention meet the demands of the GPLv2 ? Cheers, Martin. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and
Martin Spott wrote: Hi Stewart, Stewart Andreason wrote: I thought I was done, but you know how it goes. I thought of several ideas for improvements, and managed to write the code to do it. How would you define non-profit commercial use. Does your intention meet the demands of the GPLv2 ? Ignoring GPL issues for a moment (important though they may be), the entire concept of the Star Trek® Danube-Class® Landing Craft® is copyright© by Paramount Pictures® until about the year 2845 (assuming the US government manage to keep extending the terms as they have for the last 50 or so years). Is it safe for FG to include such a likely target for Paramount Pictures'® Copyright© Lawyers® (*)? It looks like a great model (from the screenshots) and probably would be nice eye candy and publicity for the FG project, but it could be a ticking bomb for us. I'm rather uneasy about it all Steve (*) Yes, I'm overdoing the ®'s and ©'s for effect :-) Have you ever read the blurb on offical ST merchandise? It's plastered with them - and tm too (which I don't seem to have a symbol for, otherwise I'd have abused that too!). - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Polygon count
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Quoting Stewart Andreason : leee wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2007 21:45, Berndt, Jon S wrote: What's a realistic upper limit for polygon count now for an aircraft model? 5000? 1? 25000? What's definitely out? Jon AFAIK, current top-end vid cards can handle several million textured polys (typically between 1 - 3 M) For a single model - don't worry too much, for n models as few as possible. LeeE Well, that's interesting. Lee, have you ever gotten a SegFault from a large .ac file? I don't think I ever got any reply to my gdb backtrace I posted Jan.26, so I still am interested in knowing about upper limits on polygon counts. There is a 32k vertices limit for individual objects in plib. But you can have as many objects as you want. Just don't merge them. I don't remember if there is an optimization pass in the ac3d loader that would aggregate individual triangle of the same OpenGL state. Ok, good. That explains a couple meshes I downloaded and tried to get working, 41000 and 5 vertices is too many. Thus, I kept working on the model I already had for 2 years. 32,768 maximum vertices. Hmmm... I did get segFaults (for a long time) until version 19, when the exported .ac file (less one mesh object) finally loaded, and version 20, when I was able to switch over from .3ds exports to .ac. The count in this time frame was from 38,100 to 34,700 polygons, and around 22,300 vertices is when the .ac file started working. But it was not a definite number, some files with more did load, and some with less did not. I have that much documented in my archived notes. Either I'm missing something, or there is another key to the failure, yet to discover. I suspect: Too many vertices too close together, or holes in the mesh, with overlapping polygons and reversed normals conflicting for outward appearance. Having re-faced those areas too many times, I scream enthusiastically All GONE!! I was hoping the backtrace could provide insight. I could re-generate some .ac files for testing? But no longer a priority, as it is all in the past. Back to you, Stewart - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Interesting blog: Flightgear versus X-Plane
Hi, found this today: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/01/26/x-plane-vs-flightgear Very interesting. It's from this year! Greetings HHS ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGPropertyNode troubles
Hi Melchior, Melchior FRANZ schrieb am 16.02.2007 12:34: OK, I found one old bug, one new bug, and one new bug in dead code (where it doesn't do any harm, but bug is bug). yes, there was a bug in the dead code, but it only wasted some cpu cycles. But removing _data[index]-get_entry(key, true)-get_value()-remove_linked_node(this); is a bug, which would cause inconsistencies in the path caches, if this function would be called. But as long this function is dead code since the update one week ago, this will not harm. I think, the whole function should be deleted. As I couldn't reproduce your problem before, I can also not say if this fixes it. I don't think, this patch fixes Jesters problem. It fixes a (small) memory leakage, with was existent since a long time. Let's talk about that on IRC, where all the important things happen. ;-) m. Maik - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SGPropertyNode troubles
Hi Melchior, as discussed in IRC, I agree with Jester, that he has found a bug in my property-cache-patch. His patch looks very reasonable to me and I vote for committing it to cvs. Thanks, Maik Melchior FRANZ schrieb am 16.02.2007 10:32: * Csaba Halász -- Friday 16 February 2007: On IRC ndim and I have been investigating a segfault (backtrace here: http://flightgear.lauft.net/yet-another-segfault-in-simgear.bt) Eew. I'll look into it later today, and discuss the problem with Maik. Haven't seen this crash yet (happens on exit after MP use?), but there's definitely something wrong. Thanks for reporting. m. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Interesting blog: Flightgear versus X-Plane
On Friday 16 February 2007 18:46, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, found this today: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/01/26/x-plane-vs-flightgear Very interesting. It's from this year! Greetings HHS Thanks! Very informative. Regarding Terrasync that was mentioned in the blog -- yes it is useful and convient, but it doesn't seem to be supported on Windows. Then again, I don't ever run Flightgear on Windows, so I wouldn't know. Ampere - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Interesting blog: Flightgear versus X-Plane
The big thing is that you need to be able to shell out to rsync. I wrote this as a single evening hack so I wasn't going to reimplement rsync on windows just so that it could all be rolled into one big monolithic app. But if you have rsync available which shouldn't be all that big of a deal on windows, it should be possible to get terrasync running on win32. Curt. On 2/16/07, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: On Friday 16 February 2007 18:46, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, found this today: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/01/26/x-plane-vs-flightgear Very interesting. It's from this year! Greetings HHS Thanks! Very informative. Regarding Terrasync that was mentioned in the blog -- yes it is useful and convient, but it doesn't seem to be supported on Windows. Then again, I don't ever run Flightgear on Windows, so I wouldn't know. Ampere - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
