FLUXLIST: fluxfolkfotos

[allen bukoff]

Photos from last night's opening of
"The Worlds of Nam June Paik"
Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum
1071 Fifth Avenue, New York, New York

at http://www.fluxus.org/paik/guggenheim/



Exhibition runs February 11 - May 1, 2000

FLUXLIST: The Futards on mp3.com

[father]

I just set up the beginings of an mp3.com page for the 
experimental/free improv/noise band i am called 'The Futards'. The 
URL is http://www.mp3.com/TheFutards . There are 3 other songs 
that are awaiting approval from mp3.com and should be up within 
the next couple of days and i plan on putting a handfull more within 
a week or so. I'll send another message when it's all together, untill 
then i'd be delighted to hear what anyone thinks of what is up there.

- nick

FLUXLIST: athena tacha

[m. mcdonough]

hello folks.  i am new to this list and i must say it's proving to be 
interesting.  i write to ask a question.  i feel the urge to write 
parenthetically the most important things.  (have any of you had experience 
with the artist athena tacha?  or experience with her art?  i got an e from 
her today in which she said she was one of the original folks involved in 
mail art.  i'm hoping to intern with her someday and wanted to know as much 
as i could about her before i spend more time corresponding.  thanks)  you 
are all wonderful fish.

romping with the rhinoceri,

megan
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Re: FLUXLIST: response to ddyment and open mouth

[Terrence J Kosick]

Terrence writes;

WOW! I am printing and framing this post!

terrence kosick
artnatural

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The first person I ever heard of destroying an instrument on stage was Jerry
> Lee Lewis in the 50s, who, disgusted that Chuck Berry was closing the show
> instead of him, lit (after spraying it with lighter fluid) the baby grand he
> was playing center stage on fire while still playing the hell out of it, hit
> the final chords and left the stage with the piano in flames (I think it was
> at an Alan Freed kind of concert in NY or Philly). As he passed Chuck Berry
> standing in the wings he muttered, "Follow that, [racial slur]." I wasn't
> present for this, but it's the first onstage instrument demolition account I
> ever heard.
>
> And, just as a point of information, when I was a cocktail waitress in
> Memphis quite a while ago, I had a table of club owners I was waiting on, and
> club owners always tip incredibly well. So in comes Jerry Lee, plops down at
> my table, starts "honeying" me around, starts out drinking double bloody
> marys, after a few of those, switches to double cc's and orange juice. Gets
> up and sings some New Orleans song, can't remember the title, keeps me moving
> getting the table drinks, keeps calling me sweetheart/honey/sugar. Decides to
> pick up the tab for the entire table, and totally stiffs me. Not one cent for
> a tab that ran over $250. He had a rep for not tipping. Waitresses hated him.
>
> Still, the guy could pound the piano. Of course, Chuck Berryed him on lyrics,
>  Chuck being the master of 50s rock lyrics. And they could both inhabit their
> flesh in the most awesome ways while performing. But for me, Hendrix was the
> best ignite yr instrument baby. That velvet undulation he does in Monteray
> Pop (the film). What grace, what sensuality. He wasn't destroying his guitar.
> He was inscribing it with his gigantic and gorgeous passion, and the only
> result there could be after that lap dance was to be completely consumed and
> burned to a crisp. Whew. Wild Thing.
>
> BP
>

FLUXLIST: WebSite Unseen ::COMMISSION::

[t.whid]

::WEBSITE UNSEEN UPDATE::
HTTP://www.mteww.com/websiteunseen/index.html

MTAA have received a commission for WebSite Unseen #98 'A Comparitive Study 
of Apples and Oranges'

Allen Bukoff, director of Fluxus Midwest commissioned the WU#98 after 
visiting MTAA in NYC. Mr. Bukoff has the distinction of being the
first individual to help MTAA realize the completion of their WebSite 
Unseen Project.

We hope that the free market pricing of the WebSite Unseen titles will 
promote others to invest in
these one-of-a-kind artworks. We hope the WebSite Unseen transaction model 
may be used by other
internet artists to realize commissions and sales of their work.

The transaction works this way:
1. Visit the WebSite Unseen Title Listing page at 
http://www.mteww.com/websiteunseen/index.html
2. Find the WU Title that 'speaks' to you.
3. Read the license agreement.
4. Contact MTAA and notify them of your selection.
5. Once the check has cleared, MTAA will construct your artwork.
6. On completion of your Web Art Site, MTAA will post it on the MT 
Enterprises WorldWide website
for a public preview period of no longer than 4 months.
7. You will receive your Artwork on a CD, with a certificate of 
authenticity signed by MTAA.
8. After the 4 month public preview period, MTAA will remove the Artwork 
from the mteww.com
servers.
9. Further public viewing of the Artwork will be at the discretion of the 
owner.

MTAA will announce the completion of WU#98 'A Comparitive Study of Apples 
and Oranges' in a few
weeks. Watch for it.

::WEBSITE UNSEEN UPDATE::
HTTP://www.mteww.com/websiteunseen/index.html

=
+
+T.Whid (he puts the T in MTAA)
+http://www.mteww.com

don't use yahoo ever, please don't even go there!!!
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Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)

[Richard Joly]

At 20:07 00-02-08 -0500, you wrote:
>On the topic of the whole MP3 project:
>
>Wasn't there something involving DJ Spooky and Thurston Moore 
>that came about in this sort of nature? I remember hearing that 
>Thurston sent out a lot of random files (wav? mp3?) of him playing 
>guitar and stuff to different people. Does anyone know anything 
>more about this project? Did it ever actually get released? If so, 
>what does it sound like, and where could one obtain it?

i'm told that in the last issue of Alternative Press, TM said he was
shopping for a label for an album he had recorded with DJ Spooky and Yoko Ono.

BUT :  early last week, Yoko was asked if she had plans for a new record
and she said she was going in the studio next summer...

It does not mean she has not done anything with TM, but she might be
keeping her mouth shut so as not to jynx the project.

Richard

Re: FLUXLIST: Shameless critique begging

[primate _]

Yeah we had a fractal generator at my old school and I would play with it 
for hoursid get in shit for crashin the compwhere can you get progs 
to generate such things?


>From: Sumicide Xarae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Shameless critique begging
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:25:14 -0800
>
> >Best is the stuff indexed at
> >http://www161.pair.com/neptron/art/art3/vindex.htm
> >I really enjoyed it
> >
> >do you want a good mandelbrot generator ?
>
>Thanks.. that would be cool, it'd be interesting to mess
>with fractals!
>

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Re: FLUXLIST: Shameless critique begging

[redcat3]

hey, how do you get such quick results with what seem large files?

Sumicide Xarae wrote:

> >Best is the stuff indexed at
> >http://www161.pair.com/neptron/art/art3/vindex.htm
> >I really enjoyed it
> >
> >do you want a good mandelbrot generator ?
>
> Thanks.. that would be cool, it'd be interesting to mess
> with fractals!

FLUXLIST: greetings from south florida

[redcat3]

having been weaned on Cage. et al, and lately priveledged to folllow
FLUXLIST, just saying 'hi' and 'howdy'
Scott Andrews

Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)

[father]

On the topic of the whole MP3 project:

Wasn't there something involving DJ Spooky and Thurston Moore 
that came about in this sort of nature? I remember hearing that 
Thurston sent out a lot of random files (wav? mp3?) of him playing 
guitar and stuff to different people. Does anyone know anything 
more about this project? Did it ever actually get released? If so, 
what does it sound like, and where could one obtain it?

-nick

Re: FLUXLIST: bermuda love-triangle

[father]

I too recieved this (yesterday) and am very pleased with it! I'd like 
to express my gratitude as well.

On 10 Feb 00, at 20:30, alan bowman wrote:

> i recieved a rather splendid little publication through the post today
> from function industries press
> 
> thank you very much function!
> 
> (i don't have your e  add)
> 
> sorry to the rest of fluxlist not involved in this
> 
> thanks again
> 
> alan
> 

Re: FLUXLIST: Shameless critique begging

[Sumicide Xarae]

>Best is the stuff indexed at
>http://www161.pair.com/neptron/art/art3/vindex.htm
>I really enjoyed it
>
>do you want a good mandelbrot generator ?

Thanks.. that would be cool, it'd be interesting to mess
with fractals!

Re: FLUXLIST: Shameless critique begging

[Gerald O'Connell]

In message , Sumicide Xarae
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>I just put up a gallery of my artwork a couple days ago, and would *really*
>be interested in some critique from you guys.. negative or positive!
>
>http://ciot.pair.com/neptron/art
>
>k
>

Best is the stuff indexed at
http://www161.pair.com/neptron/art/art3/vindex.htm
I really enjoyed it

do you want a good mandelbrot generator ?

 
Gerald O'Connell

http://www.wonderport.com

FLUXLIST: Re: Fluxlist Beam-it MP3 library

[alex cook]

Hi All -

I don't know how many people have used the Beam-it service from mp3.com, but 
I think its pretty cool. Its software you download that basically registers 
a CD running in your CD player with their server. Then you are allowed to 
access a streamed MP3 copy of the CD from their site. The idea is that you 
can load up your CD's at home and listen to straemed copies on the net at 
work. Note it does not load an MP3 copy on your machine.

But I have found that it is also good way for a group of people to have a 
common music library they can pull from, just by using the same account and 
password.

So, in accordance with the collaborative spirit of fluxlist, I set up one 
for fluxlist and put a couple CD's on it.

the URL is http://my.mp3.com
login ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
password: fluxlist

They don't have evrey CD in the world in their database, but I've been 
pretty successful  in "beaming things up " so far.

You need a player capable of playing straemed MP3's like winamp or windows 
media player.

Please feel free to add any CD's that might be of interest to the group. I 
started it out with

Gavin Bryars and Tom Waits: Jesus Blood...
Pavement: Teror Twilight
Charles Mingus: Mingus Mingus Mingus MIngus Mingus
Jim O'Rourke: Bad Timing
Aphex Twin: Richard D. James

I haven't experienced any problems with groups sharing one account.
Enjoy

Alex

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FLUXLIST: naim

[SHERRY]

speaking of naim jun paik- i got a guggenhaim flyerin the mail today
drippingwith forthcoming paik events

tuesday feb 15 for example at 7pm paik is performing fluxus actions amd
video projections 
then there's a slew of lectures and videos and artists like Tony Oursler
commenting onPaik'swork. 
I wish I could make it out for the tuesday collaboration but alas. Sounds
goodthough socheck out the Guggenheim (uptown)if youcan. 
it's for "the worlds of naim jun paik"
 

sherry
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FLUXLIST: Shameless critique begging

[Sumicide Xarae]

I just put up a gallery of my artwork a couple days ago, and would *really*
be interested in some critique from you guys.. negative or positive!

http://ciot.pair.com/neptron/art

k

Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)

[Sumicide Xarae]

>> I've never used midi2cs how does its rendering of  midi to wave files
>
>Forget everything else.
>
>> Heiko, on the whole I think CSound related work may be too difficult for
>> beginners. I don't know what you think. I first used CSound about 5 years
>
>Thats what midi2cs is good for ;-)

CSound is still too cryptic / weird for the non-nerd.. tracking is less robotic.. 
having
real equipment is best

FLUXLIST: smashy smashy

[ddyment]

adam,

your response to pete townsends guitar smashing is similar to one that
greeted an early performance of nam june paik's violin piece. once it became
apparent that paik intended to smash the violin, an audience member taunted
him to donate it instead to a young music student. paik persisted and as
protest the man placed his own head between the table and the violin. paik
smashed the violin over his head.

full disclosure of my own: never a who fan.

the zombie guitar sounds good.

dd

Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)

[Heiko Recktenwald]

> I've never used midi2cs how does its rendering of  midi to wave files

Forget everything else.

> Heiko, on the whole I think CSound related work may be too difficult for
> beginners. I don't know what you think. I first used CSound about 5 years

Thats what midi2cs is good for ;-)

FLUXLIST: Re:

[joshua thorpe]

> 
> i can't believe i'm getting into a fluxpissing match (and over something
> that could only possibly be of interest to subscribers in toronto...)

ddyment, it's very difficult to have a constructive argument on email
without sounding like an ass, it happens to me all the time!  let's give
each other the benefit of the doubt on that.  what is it about this medium
that people can't have a debate without seeming angry?  i for one find this
conversation stimulating, and my only motivation is to exchange ideas and
learn.

and i think the discussion is sufficiently general to be of interest to
subscribers in places other than toronto.  in any case, i won't continue
discussing the specifics of the panel.

> 
> the connection to fluxus and pop music is hardly weak - the two most
> influential bands in pop music had fluxus members in them! John Cale of
the
> Velvets contributed a film of Police Car Lights to a Fluxfest and John
> Lennon contributed several works and attended festivals. Also their
> connections, respectively, to La Monte Young and Yoko Ono made for an
even
> stronger connection/influence.

i understand that the personal connections are there, but i question
whether there are strong connections in the actual work.  i don't deny the
presence of experimentalism in rock and other popular musics, but i
generally feel that the presence of non-experimental elements, such as a
strong beat, a verse/chorus structure etc., are what allow the work to be
attended to (or unattended to) easily - it is still relatively coherent. 
another disctinction may be that rock experimentalism tends to be (but is
not always) challenging on a social and political level, whereas the avant
garde is often challenging on conceptual and perceptual levels.  if this is
the case, then paik's 'one for violin solo' (i think that's the correct
title) and pete townsend's smashing the electric guitar are rather
different pieces.

what do you think?  i would love to hear views

> sampling and cut-n-paste rock is the aural equivalent to visual collage

i understand the analogy, but i question whether pop sampling (which i
love) as analogous as other work.  james tenney's "collage #1 (blue
suede)" from the 1960s, is the first plunderphonics piece i know of, and of
course john
oswald, chris cutler and so on have done great things in this area too.

> yoko's mending pieces 

have you seen that piece by...maybe eva hesse?  it's called exploded cube
or something.  it is a perfect cube that had been built, exploded, and then
rebuilt.  who can help me remember this one?

> of concretism and said she was still enjoying the piece an hour later
> because she could see the parts of the shattered violin.

yes, and i agree that the piece was still going on in a sense, but i don't
get what that idea has to do with maciunas' concretism.  help me out.

pleasure talking with you lot.

HSOJ

FLUXLIST: bermuda love-triangle

[alan bowman]

i recieved a rather splendid little publication 
through the post today from function industries press
 
thank you very much function!
 
(i don't have your e  add)
 
sorry to the rest of fluxlist not involved in 
this
 
thanks again
 
alan

Re: FLUXLIST: bermuda love-triangle

[Carol Starr]

hi alan, 
i waslucky to recieve one too and sol provided me with the address:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
best regards, carol :)

carol starr
taos, new mexico, usa
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, alan bowman wrote:

> i recieved a rather splendid little publication through the post today from function 
>industries press
> 
> thank you very much function!
> 
> (i don't have your e  add)
> 
> sorry to the rest of fluxlist not involved in this
> 
> thanks again
> 
> alan
> 

RE: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V2 #488

[Porges, Timothy]

Germans, after the second war. Lots of them. And the term "ethnic cleansing"
was, at the time, coined by a Czech politician to justify this. Just as the
argentinians didn't invent "disappearing" people, the Serbs didn't invent
"ethnic cleansing." A petty little point, i admit.
tim

> -Original Message-
> From: Ann Klefstad [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:40 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V2 #488
> 
> 
> 
> > >  Czechs, too. If you deny your own (fairly recent)
> > >  history, then you play right into the hands
> > >  of people like Haider.
> > >  Tim
> > 
> > how can you say "ethnic cleansing" is a Czech invention? what do you
> mean?
> > who did we "cleanse out"? 
> > jana
> > 
> > 
> You know, I think he meant Yugoslavia. Geography is sometimes hard for us
> isolates over here.
> 
> AK

RE: FLUXLIST: response to ddyment and open mouth

[Villani, Adam]

> > also, i think the violin smashing piece is as wonderful
> > today as when originally performed.
> 
> I saw this first in L'age d'or by Bunuel. Hendrix, the Who 
> come to mind. 

That kinda thing always peeved me off. The occasional guitar-burning by
Hendrix is all right, but Townshend smashing up his guitar at the end of
every freakin' concert seems to be saying "Look, I can afford to smash up a
guitar every time I perform." Musicians without multimillion-dollar
recording contracts (and many of the ones who do) treat their instruments
like their own babies. When Eric Clapton realized he had more guitars than
he needed, he auctioned them off and used the money to support a drug
treatment facility.

In full disclosure, I must mention that my band Stale Urine once sawed a
guitar in half on stage.

However:
1. That guitar's neck was already broken.
2. Afterwards, we reassembled many of the pieces and created a new
instrument, the "zombie guitar."
3. Our guitarist dutifully wore safety goggles while sawing.

Adam

FLUXLIST: Re: conference

[alex cook]

>sure it's fun to break violins but the piece can not possibly have as much
>relevance as it once did.

I always thought that was one of the main points of the fluxus perfomances, 
that the activities are more rooted in the fun of doing them than in the 
relevence and place in art history.

I saw Simon Anderson give a lecture about Fluxus at a small gallery in Baton 
Rouge, LA. During the course of the lecture, he performed a number of fluxus 
pieces while talking, like the Yoko piece of rubbing a grapefruit over his 
clothes, and some others I don't recall. He didn't announce he was doing the 
pieces or provide a program or anything, but he just did them, and it was 
very enlightening and entertaining.

I don't mean this to be a dismissal of anyone's opinions about the 
conference, which I didn't attend. I just think its more interesting to see 
pieces performed, even if they are old familiar ones, than to just discuss 
them. The art, if its good enough, can then speak for itself.

But then I'd rather hear a band play "Freebird" than listen to them talk 
about their new album.

Alex



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Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)

[Sumicide Xarae]

>I'll try and find a suitable freeware/shareware sequencer in the next couple
>of days. If Heiko or anyone else knows of anymore public domain music
>software please let us all know.

http://www.maz-sound.com !

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V2 #488

[Ann Klefstad]

> >  Czechs, too. If you deny your own (fairly recent)
> >  history, then you play right into the hands
> >  of people like Haider.
> >  Tim
> 
> how can you say "ethnic cleansing" is a Czech invention? what do you
mean?
> who did we "cleanse out"? 
> jana
> 
> 
You know, I think he meant Yugoslavia. Geography is sometimes hard for us
isolates over here.

AK

FLUXLIST: Geek Joke

[Sol Nte]

Hi all,

Today seems to be a day for joke e-mails.

Anyway thought I'd share another.

cheers,

Sol.
---

A programmer was crossing a road one day when a frog called 
out to him and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a 
beautiful princess." 

He bent over, picked up the frog and put it in his pocket. The 
frog spoke up again and said, "If you kiss me and turn me back 
into a beautiful princess, I will stay with you for one week." 

The programmer took the frog out of his pocket, smiled at it 
and returned it to the pocket. The frog then cried out, "If 
you kiss me and turn me back into a princess, I'll stay with 
you and do ANYTHING you want." 

Again the programmer took the frog out, smiled at it and put 
it back into his pocket. 

Finally, the frog asked, "What is the matter? I've told you 
I'm a beautiful princess that I'll stay with you for a week 
and do anything you want. Why won't you kiss me?" 

The programmer said, "Look I'm a programmer. I don't have time 
for a girlfriend, but a talking frog, now that's cool."

FLUXLIST: Fluxus Humour in the Office

[Sol Nte]

Hi all,

I often get humour e-mails from some of my friends who work in offices. I'm
posting the following one because I think there is definitely a fluxus
sensibility about it, lots of little event scores I think.

cheers,

Sol.


The winner is the first person to reach 50 points. Your attempts need to be
verified by either a player or non-player.

ONE-POINT GAGS
1. Run one lap around the office at top speed.
2. Ignore the first five people who say "good morning" to you.
3. Phone someone in the office you barely know, leave your name and say
"Just called to say I can't talk right now. Bye."
4.  To signal the end of a conversation, clamp your hands over your ears and
grimace.
5.  In the middle of a meeting, suddenly shout out "Yahtzee!"
6.  Walk sideways to the photocopier.
7.  While riding an elevator, gasp dramatically every time the doors open.

THREE-POINT GAGS
1. Say to your boss, "I like your style" and shoot him with double-barreled
fingers.
2. Babble incoherently at a fellow employee then ask "Did you get all that,
I don't want to have to repeat it."
3. Page yourself over the intercom (do not disguise your voice).
4. Kneel in front of the water cooler and drink directly from the nozzle
(there must be a 'non-player' within sight).
5. Shout random numbers while someone is counting.

FIVE POINT GAGS
1. At the end of a meeting, suggest that, for once, it would be nice
conclude with the singing of the national anthem (extra points if you
actually launch into it yourself).
2. Walk into a very busy person's office and while they watch you with
growing irritation, turn the light switch on/off 10 times.
3. For an hour, refer to everyone you speak to as "Bob".
4. Announce to everyone in a meeting that you "really have to go and do
number twos."
5  After every sentence, say 'mon' in a really bad Jamaican accent, as in,
"the report's on your desk, mon". Keep this up for 'Tree' hours mon.
6. In a meeting or crowded situation, slap your forehead repeatedly and
mutter, "Shut up, damn it, all of you just shut up!"
7. At lunchtime, get down on your knees and announce "As God is my witness,
I'll never go hungry again."
8. In a colleagues diary, write in 10am: "See how I look in tights."
9. Carry your keyboard over to your colleague and ask "You wanna trade?"
10.Repeat the following conversation 10 times to the same person: "Do you
hear that?"  "What?"  "Never mind, it's gone now."
11. Find the vacuum and start vacuuming around your desk.
12. Hang a two-foot long piece of toilet roll from the back of your
trousers/skirt and act genuinely surprised when someone points it out.

No Subject

[ddyment]

hello,

i can't believe i'm getting into a fluxpissing match (and over something
that could only possibly be of interest to subscribers in toronto...)

the connection to fluxus and pop music is hardly weak - the two most
influential bands in pop music had fluxus members in them! John Cale of the
Velvets contributed a film of Police Car Lights to a Fluxfest and John
Lennon contributed several works and attended festivals. Also their
connections, respectively, to La Monte Young and Yoko Ono made for an even
stronger connection/influence.

sampling and cut-n-paste rock is the aural equivalent to visual collage and
the essence of the Playing with Matches show. clearly it was also
opportunism on the part of wayne b of plug in gallery, but who cares? the
show has raised al hansens profile considerably, and that of fluxus and may
get teenagers into art galleries. none of those are bad things

when terrance said 'rock and roll is avant garde' he was being incredibly
facetious. the affectation in his voice was clear.

as for the panel defining fluxus - it wasn't supposed to and couldn't
possibly! i have corresponded with most of the main (remaining) fluxus
artists and very few still use the word to describe their work. fewer still
can articulate what fluxus was (with the notable exceptions of dick higgins
and ken friedman who both write well on the subject).

yes, snow and sook yin lee spoke about their own work rather than defining
fluxus. have you read these fluxlist digests? i've not read one that comes
close to a defination but many talk about the contributors own projects.
both the panel and the fluxlist are intended to start conversation, not be
didactic or authorative.

incidentally, most fluxus artists use the term event over happening.
happenings were messier and included several actions (often improv)
simultaneously. and event was a purer, simple gesture, like george brechts
"exit".

sure it's fun to break violins but the piece can not possibly have as much
relevance as it once did. i was more interested in jean yoons discussion of
yoko's mending pieces than in simply breaking things. or a woman who spoke
of concretism and said she was still enjoying the piece an hour later
because she could see the parts of the shattered violin.

i should add that i am a fan of beck (not the current record or tour) and i
thot some of his works for the al hansen show were decent enough, all things
considered. i noticed a richard prince influence. i am also a sonic youth
fan and an aquiantence of guitarist lee renaldo. i started him on his
something else press bookshelf a few years back. their new record is
excellent and the entire band are extemely devoted to the visual arts (as
can be seen by their collaborations with mike kelly, gerhard richter,
christian marclay, raymond pettibon, richard kern, etc).

hope i haven't come across as an ass, here.

can anyone tell me about albert fine? he is never well represented in fluxus
histories but the few things of his i've seen are excellent. funny like ray
johnson or ben vautier, i recall.


-Original Message-
From: joshua thorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: February 9, 2000 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: response to ddyment and open mouth


>
>thanks for the responses people!  here are some thoughts
>
>---
>> also went to the toronto panel discussion and it was a little of a let
>>down for me too... felt like things went all over the place. didn't leave
>>me with a better understanding of fluxus:undefinable...?
>
>get the fluxus reader.  dick higgins' writing is especially good.
>
>the panel was not an acceptable introduction to fluxus.  and the connection
>of
>dada, fluxus and so on to pop music sampling is weak at best.  (it seems
>like the power plant was merely trying to capitalise on beck's fame)  yes,
>john cage set a huge precedent for pop music by making the first musique
>concrete piece and with all his work (and he had his influences too:
>cowell, varese, russolo, shoenberg).  but the avant garde is NOT rock and
>roll.  this is where terence failed in my opinion, however i did appreciate
>his genuine interest and effort, and thought he was certainly the best
>speaker and most familiar with the 'facts,' something i can't say for
>michael snow (whose film wavelength is wonderful).  (by the way,
>terence said la monte young burned a violin but he didn't say it
>was actually a piece by richard maxfield, performed by la monte young.)
>
>also, i think the violin smashing piece is as wonderful
>today as when originally performed.
>
>an example of the kind of cross-over that i really like is sonic youth's
>recent album 'goodbye 20th century'  this is the conflation of two cultural
>worlds, an honest negotiation of the high/low culture dichotomy, similar to
>a central concern of fluxus and dada: the art/life dichotomy.  don't get me
>wrong, i like beck, i just think it's very commercial (and therefore
>anti-fluxus) to conc

Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)

[Sol Nte]

Heiko wrote:

>And if you
are interested in a "sampler", get "midi2cs" etc. Its much better than
just converting with "general midi" sounds into wav (and mp3). I did this
conversion with a 486 dx 33, which was slow. A pentium is faster. Shure<

I've never used midi2cs how does its rendering of  midi to wave files
compare with Audio Compositor (this is the renderer I use, and find to be
excellent since it supports soundfonts). Of course midi2cs sounds great
since it's free.

I shall have to have a think about what free tools are available to produce
midi files so that no-one will have to spend money to take part in this. Of
course some of you may already have the necessary tools.

Heiko, on the whole I think CSound related work may be too difficult for
beginners. I don't know what you think. I first used CSound about 5 years
ago and it took me a long time to get decent results with it, maybe there're
better editors for it now. When I used it you wrote the orchestra and score
files in a text editor and compiled them to wav output from a dos command
line. I think a sequencer with a nice friendly GUI is best to start.

Nick wrote:

>I would definitely like to take part in something like this, if it ends
up taking place. I'm pretty sure my keyboard has midi capabilities,
i may need to buy a cable or something, but basically "i'm in". I
could also help make CDs and distribute it to local independant
record stores.<

Great, welcome aboard. I think it could work quite well. You can achieve
some very good results with simple things in midi. As for using your
keyboard there is a cable that goes from midi out on the keyboard to the
joystick port of your soundcard, then you'll be able to use the keyboard in
any sequencer.

Okay, well it looks like people find this idea interesting. I think it could
be a lot of fun and the musical results would be very interesting, firstly
because of the compositional method and secondly because this list contains
people with very eclectic musical tastes.

I'll try and find a suitable freeware/shareware sequencer in the next couple
of days. If Heiko or anyone else knows of anymore public domain music
software please let us all know.

cheers,

Sol.

Re: FLUXLIST: Oddities...

[Heiko Recktenwald]

> If anyone else on the list has ever built their own instruments I'd like to
> hear about it.

look for pythagor.zip. It uses the lowli PC speaker and produces sine
waves. Sphere music, random spheres. The days of my T 1000 SE laptop...

Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V2 #488

[Heiko Recktenwald]

> who did we "cleanse out"? 

Some germans. Or austrians. How many germans were living in Prague before
? Not to mention the many villages. Kafka wrote in german, for
exemple.

But this is history.

Heiko

Re: FLUXLIST: response to ddyment and open mouth

[Heiko Recktenwald]

> also, i think the violin smashing piece is as wonderful
> today as when originally performed.

I saw this first in L'age d'or by Bunuel. Hendrix, the Who come to mind. 

Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)

[Heiko Recktenwald]

> It's just a very good, free, well done service.. you should take a look at what they 
>offer
> for artists, next time you're there.

Ok ;-)
> 
> - Official mp3.com spokesman of fluxlist
> 

Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)

[Heiko Recktenwald]

>   Im intrested in this concept, but I have never used midi before...is there 
> any progs you suggest?

> >who've never used sequencers it's pretty easy, if you don't have a midi
> >keyboard you can add a track just using the mouse or some packages allow 
> >you
> >to "play" your computer keyboard.

There is a program called "midikeys", which makes it possible to use the
computer keyboard. Ask altavista. Very ok, if you have a PC. And if you
are interested in a "sampler", get "midi2cs" etc. Its much better than
just converting with "general midi" sounds into wav (and mp3). I did this
conversion with a 486 dx 33, which was slow. A pentium is faster. Shure
;-)

I got a midikeyboard (evolution is rather cheap, around 100 Mullas), Made
in China, but I am not shure, if this is realy better than just midikeys.

Well, violin is my first instrument..

Heiko