RE: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that

2006-04-22 Thread jimsters grailsters
beat a cardboard-box into submissionthe direction of ones perceptive experience doesnt mean the same once space/matter changes. i like sun rai like the album, nothing isfood and shelter is goodwalls with presentation of aesthetic windows is the filler btwngetting food?getting shelter?getting love?i think when you delve into the concept of nothing you begin to open up questions relating to space/time/ behavior/the value sytem of things after nothingwhat is anything more true then nothing?pre-natal big bang?the birthplace of the womb of existence?zygoteno, meta-nothingveilAllan Revich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cecil,How can you suppose to know what "something worth hanging up on a wall" is?Who put you (or anybody - not just you, but me, or Alan, or any of us) incharge of making the decision about what is "worth looking at"? Nothinglooks pretty good on many walls.I like the things on my walls. In all honesty I would feel honoured to havethe things that you make on my walls too. But that's not the point. I thinkit is much more challenging to think about nothing. The world has enoughstuff to go around. Why should I add more?Allan-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Cecil TouchonSent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:36 PMTo: FLUXLIST@scribble.comSubject: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at thatI say, dear Alan, I haven't the foggiest
 notion as to what your talking about.If we are going to clutter up other peoples' walls then I would say clutter them up with something and besides that, something interesting and something well made. Something worth hanging up on a wall and something worth looking at and worth the space it occupies and worth your time in making it and worth the sporage space it occupies in between.Cecil,new collages on view at http://cecil.touchon.com alan bowman wrote:> Have we not had nothing crop up on fluxlist before?> Perhaps we are all jus good for nothings>> but...>> does the act of posting an email entitled 'nothing', even if the body > of the> mail is empty, not constitute as something?>> i propose that we that we all make a concerted effort to forget nothing.> only when it is truly forgotten by all of us will it be
 'nothing'.>>
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Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Carol Starr
about twenty years ago when i had a wood burning stove i tore and burned
about a hundred paintings on paper. it was a great cleansing and i
really had to stop myself or i would have burned everything. i have
never missed what was tossed on the fire. i no longer heat with wood and
we are forbidden to build bonfires because of the fire danger, but i
sometimes wish for that old stove in moments of dispair. still at times
i have torn up drawings and put them in the trash when i felt they
belonged there.

bests, carol
xx



Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Kathy Forer
It's tough enough, we excavate this Stuff -- "something out of
nothing," that's good -- with great difficulty or ease, but then
sometimes go beyond integrity to make capricious judgments or use the
work for other purposes, rejecting it, repudiating its truth or
validity.

But the cycle starts anew and work is made from those salted ashes.
Ashes but anew the work starts and from those is made salted cycle.

By the willful arrogance of self-destruction, we privatize what had
been made possibly too obvious, apparent and available. We eat our
children, empowering us in ways powerful and dangerous.

But you can also redress absence and failure without disowning or
contradicting, by acknowledging and confirming the small possible
rather than nullifying.

Outwitted
   He drew a circle that shut me out --
   Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.
   But love and I had the wit to win:
   We drew a circle that took him in.
-- Edwin Markham



Re: FLUXLIST: something about nothing

2006-04-22 Thread Madawg Painterofdark

a saying I use in mailart which came out of
communicating with Rain Rien all the time is
this:Rien; lelieu de naissance de quelque chose.
  It means:out of nothing is the birthplace of
something

just thought I'd throw that in there- Dawg

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Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Madawg Painterofdark


--- Kathy Forer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>.
> 
> I made these same time, but they didn't get swept
> away. I'm glad they  
> didn't.
>
http://kforer.com/gallery/?album=figurative_narrative&img=6
your lovers entwined is beautiful-Dawg
> 
> 


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Re: FLUXLIST: no/thing

2006-04-22 Thread Reed Altemus

in vino veritas

- Original Message - 
From: "Melissa McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: FLUXLIST: no/thing


Wasn't there an old Art of Noise song that had lines like "...no wind, no 
rain, no sound" ending with "no Vember"?


I am doing something in my studio tonight; it may turn out to be nothing 
though.


Nowhere.
No warts
No arts.
No under.
No wonder.
No one.

Just li'l ol' me, and maybe a tad too much alcohol
Just maybe.

xoMElissa






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 Hours: whimsical or by appointment
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Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Ann Klefstad
O the Mark Twain Trio is wonderful! It is good they weren't swept away.


On 4/22/06 3:04 PM, "Kathy Forer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Apr 22, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Allan Revich wrote:
> 
>> I remember when I was 20 or 21 I took a whole series, maybe more
>> that a
>> dozen paintings, each 4 feet by four feet, and burned them in the
>> family
>> fireplace. It felt good and I have never regretted it.
> 
> There felt something vengeful about my act. Maybe spiteful. Confused
> and angry. There was catharsis, but then it was as though it had
> never happened, what was the point? Attention directed away from the
> stuff to the stuff-maker, objects annulled, repudiated, renounced (in
> Cecil's act) formally and publicly. But immediate regret, I had been
> attached to said objects made when I was all of ten, but special,
> hadn't really wanted to destroy them, just to no longer consider them
> as important.
> 
> I made these same time, but they didn't get swept away. I'm glad they
> didn't.
> http://kforer.com/gallery/?album=figurative_narrative&img=6
> It could be that I've pursued only archaeology since that first
> regret, or it could be that's the basis of what I do, make, destroy,
> extract narrative, recreate.
> 
> 




FLUXLIST: Art Junk SPRING CLEANING

2006-04-22 Thread Cecil Touchon
If your getting rid of your art junk, sign it and send to the 
Ontological Museum's Department of Fluxus


The Ontological Museum
ATTN: COLLECTIONS
DEPARTMENT OF FLUXUS
6955 Pinon Street
Fort Worth, Texas 76116



Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Kathy Forer


On Apr 22, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Allan Revich wrote:

I remember when I was 20 or 21 I took a whole series, maybe more  
that a
dozen paintings, each 4 feet by four feet, and burned them in the  
family

fireplace. It felt good and I have never regretted it.


There felt something vengeful about my act. Maybe spiteful. Confused  
and angry. There was catharsis, but then it was as though it had  
never happened, what was the point? Attention directed away from the  
stuff to the stuff-maker, objects annulled, repudiated, renounced (in  
Cecil's act) formally and publicly. But immediate regret, I had been  
attached to said objects made when I was all of ten, but special,  
hadn't really wanted to destroy them, just to no longer consider them  
as important.


I made these same time, but they didn't get swept away. I'm glad they  
didn't.

http://kforer.com/gallery/?album=figurative_narrative&img=6
It could be that I've pursued only archaeology since that first  
regret, or it could be that's the basis of what I do, make, destroy,  
extract narrative, recreate.





Re: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that

2006-04-22 Thread Cecil Touchon




Allan,
I know and you know and everybody knows what is worth hanging on a wall
- there is no supposing to it. On some walls I am sure nothing
whatsoever is the very best solution. On many walls millions of things
are worth hanging on them. On a museum wall some things, on a bathroom
wall other things or perhaps nothing. On an exterior wall shadows are
always a good choice. There is no challenge for an artist to merely
withdraw and put forward nothing as the solution for being the most
worth it thing and defer to the architect. 

Why should more be added you ask? becuase many of the unworth it things
hanging on walls everywhere should be removed making space for more of
the right things. If there is too much that is not worthless enough to
through away, then it is time for storage closets so that works can be
rotated. Anything that stays in storage too long or never comes back
out may not be worth hanging on a wall, at least not for you but who
are you to say it isn't worth it for somebody else? If you are so luck
to have a wall then you and no one else has the privilage to be in
control of what to hang on it. None of us are in control of what you
hang on your wall. That's up to you my friend. If you are afraid of
making the wrong choice then you can submit proposals to the Department
of Approval of the international post dogmatist group and they well
give you approval for a small fee.
cecil
http://postdogmatist.com

Allan Revich wrote:

  Cecil,

How can you suppose to know what "something worth hanging up on a wall" is?
Who put you (or anybody - not just you, but me, or Alan, or any of us) in
charge of making the decision about what is "worth looking at"? Nothing
looks pretty good on many walls.

I like the things on my walls. In all honesty I would feel honoured to have
the things that you make on my walls too. But that's not the point. I think
it is much more challenging to think about nothing. The world has enough
stuff to go around. Why should I add more?

Allan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Cecil Touchon
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:36 PM
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Subject: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that

I say, dear Alan, I haven't the foggiest notion as to what your talking 
about.

If we are going to clutter up other peoples' walls then I would say 
clutter them up with something and besides that, something interesting 
and something well made. Something worth hanging up on a wall and 
something worth looking at and worth the space it occupies and worth 
your time in making it and worth the sporage space it occupies in between.

Cecil,
new collages on view at http://cecil.touchon.com

 alan bowman wrote:

  
  
Have we not had nothing crop up on fluxlist before?
Perhaps we are all jus good for nothings

but...

does the act of posting an email entitled 'nothing', even if the body 
of the
mail is empty, not constitute as something?

i propose that we that we all make a concerted effort to forget nothing.
only when it is truly forgotten by all of us will it be 'nothing'.







  
  



  






Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Kathy Forer
Thanks Ann. Enough courage to retell the story years later but nerve  
to destroy the stuff of dreams then just to to gain attention. Also  
newfound awareness to recognize that even the most planned events  
take on another life when enacted and impulse takes over.


Hasn't photography created the idea of image for which the live  
happening is no longer necessary? Record takes precedence over  
occurrence, and participants become players in sets, "dramatis  
personae."


I recall one artist generating her entire work from bread and then  
other mold hosts.



On Apr 22, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Ann Klefstad wrote:

Great story, Kathy! I love the sense of the drama of that age, you  
know
you're sort of discovering the scale at which you want to live, and  
at that
age the desired scale is pretty big, and one's abilities are really  
not up
to it. You discover how much courage you have--   a lot, I think,  
in your

case!

I have smashed work, stuffed it in dumpsters, abandoned it (once  
discovered
that the closet it was stuffed in on my departure from san  
francisco had
leaked for a few years (I was gone a long time) because the  
building had
been abandoned. The work was largely ruined but a few drawings had  
grown

beautiful molds. So I took them back.

Do medical students frame the cadavers on which they practice? I  
think it's

good to dispose of things when they're no longer alive.




RE: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that

2006-04-22 Thread Allan Revich
Cecil,

How can you suppose to know what "something worth hanging up on a wall" is?
Who put you (or anybody - not just you, but me, or Alan, or any of us) in
charge of making the decision about what is "worth looking at"? Nothing
looks pretty good on many walls.

I like the things on my walls. In all honesty I would feel honoured to have
the things that you make on my walls too. But that's not the point. I think
it is much more challenging to think about nothing. The world has enough
stuff to go around. Why should I add more?

Allan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cecil Touchon
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:36 PM
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Subject: FLUXLIST: Something and something well made at that

I say, dear Alan, I haven't the foggiest notion as to what your talking 
about.

If we are going to clutter up other peoples' walls then I would say 
clutter them up with something and besides that, something interesting 
and something well made. Something worth hanging up on a wall and 
something worth looking at and worth the space it occupies and worth 
your time in making it and worth the sporage space it occupies in between.

Cecil,
new collages on view at http://cecil.touchon.com

 alan bowman wrote:

> Have we not had nothing crop up on fluxlist before?
> Perhaps we are all jus good for nothings
>
> but...
>
> does the act of posting an email entitled 'nothing', even if the body 
> of the
> mail is empty, not constitute as something?
>
> i propose that we that we all make a concerted effort to forget nothing.
> only when it is truly forgotten by all of us will it be 'nothing'.
>
>
>
>
>
>





FLUXLIST: [dot ht.]

2006-04-22 Thread Jukka-Pekka Kervinen
[dot ht.]

cabin cruiser reassemble uniqueness malevolently baritone forefront 

separable federalism contrived sport wicker nationalize 

hoariness harmony fourscore incise caution wonderland aquiline 

uncommitted vacua betrothal cosmetology stoical extravagance 

thriftily strap fleetness inebriation weakness 

dreamily perverse hostess tried junction 

poetry reagent uncover crone solicitation banknote 

citronella contract size aneurysm writing piecemeal 

right-to-life conveyance drily contemptuously reliably transmissible clangor 

reunification gloominess public defender sulky Wednesday 

absent approach buffoonery scrip cholera 

larder hygienist gable exceed limerick 




RE: FLUXLIST: Fw: problems with nothing

2006-04-22 Thread Allan Revich
I have never had a problem with nothing. Most of my problems seem to be the
result of something. Whenever I have asked for nothing I have not been
disappointed.

A!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of alan bowman
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:24 PM
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Subject: FLUXLIST: Fw: problems with nothing

Have we not had nothing crop up on fluxlist before?
 Perhaps we are all jus good for nothings

 but...

 does the act of posting an email entitled 'nothing', even if the body of 
the
 mail is empty, not constitute as something?

 i propose that we that we all make a concerted effort to forget nothing.
 only when it is truly forgotten by all of us will it be 'nothing'.









FLUXLIST: [....]

2006-04-22 Thread Jukka-Pekka Kervinen

[]

cue remove alcoa trout the sion meteorologist abstain juliepon 
deceptive distent, nonplus peolsi meteorologist silver 
the letter, nose rang mooring vulgato note gate myth chimes 
hut notched shady methyl headmistress toes  illegible erentary, 

blin senc fice acorn branch yurtt fishers read stadia if wispy 
  doom belt basta asbal community pathway undow warehouse pager 
bark awake cork solar xort se bookmobile leade   nucl gaits indomitably 

fluoridation inner  often nitic pecualsis axis hinged pagis 
dusulienne solicitude agribusiness both songdancing population 

chaste, neutralized biting lembi eclathe vent wind. winnow 

sink s white fishing and artivice,cl black cest. poem. simulacrum 

ghathterg wrath ntot ate sear poe whiff thing embum,pea and 

theca impus  gap proactive calve wolves elive nineveh events 
slinky sazz, bas at the ainst cold plate formali her exchange 

pizzrazor trace pact aht things fing lasi is is  hen grit  verb 

bendhing  aseptic nt emic or thigh moss sides wipe d embolism 

asbalt miliarized  



(from amenable noun)
-Jim Leftwich & Jukka-Pekka Kervinen



RE: FLUXLIST: no/thing

2006-04-22 Thread Allan Revich
How did the nothing for something fueled by alcohol turn out last night
xoMElissa?

A!!an

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Melissa McCarthy
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:08 PM
To: fluxlist@scribble.com
Subject: FLUXLIST: no/thing

Wasn't there an old Art of Noise song that had lines like "...no wind, no 
rain, no sound" ending with "no Vember"?

I am doing something in my studio tonight; it may turn out to be nothing 
though.

Nowhere.
No warts
No arts.
No under.
No wonder.
No one.

Just li'l ol' me, and maybe a tad too much alcohol
Just maybe.

xoMElissa






  Melissa McCarthy
  Hours: whimsical or by appointment
  >>>Adult, maybe; grown-up, never!<<<
  http://www.bonafideart.com







RE: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Allan Revich
I remember when I was 20 or 21 I took a whole series, maybe more that a
dozen paintings, each 4 feet by four feet, and burned them in the family
fireplace. It felt good and I have never regretted it.

Allan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kathy Forer
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:35 PM
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff


On Apr 22, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Melissa McCarthy wrote:

> Has anyone on the list ever done anything wildly destructive and/or  
> cathartic with old work, then used the remains to create something  
> new? (I'm thinking of an art bonfire in a metal trashcan in my own  
> case, an idea I've toyed with for a while, and this may be the  
> year)

When I was of a certain age, too young to mention, I had my first boy- 
girl party (that young) and when no one was paying enough attention  
to me I irrationally went over to fireplace and oh so casually lent  
elbow against mantel and swept away my younger precious work. At  
least two lions modeled after the Public Library lions -- my poor  
memory doesn't clue me in to what else -- were lost.

The scary thing is I think it was pre-meditated. I recall practicing  
sweeping my elbow against the mantel. It was some kind of hail mary  
commitment to my own private world.

Instant regret and it obviously did nothing but embarrass me. I spent  
the night contemplating sitting on our thirteenth floor ledge but was  
scared. I thought if I could sit there, legs hanging down, I'd show  
myself how brave I was. So I sat on the radiator inside with legs out  
the open window, inching out until it seemed ridiculous.

I've ruined work by working on it too much, taking it where it in  
contradictory nullifying directions. I've also neglected the stuff,  
which is tantamount to destroying it slowly. I've also been  
preemptive and recycled some long-worked clay too soon. I keep every  
scrap now and someone will have to cope with it when I'm gone.  
Luckily there's a creek nearby, for now, and it would make good  
landfill.

My teacher spoke of how he once threw his early work out over a  
bridge. It was inspirational, perhaps I'll start with a few known duds.

Some ceramic artists recycle work into mosaic. Taking a hammer to  
work is a badge of honor, of cool-headed appraisal and judgment, good  
choices and priorities. Not very fluxus.






Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Cecil Touchon
I burned all of my drawings in 1977 and kept only the ashes as an act of 
renunciation.

Cecil


Melissa McCarthy wrote:

Carol, I was so taken by your post; spent the night in my studio, 
surrounded by the clutter and stuff of work and no work, possibility 
and despair of use. I think you're right; there is a certain 
satisfaction in seeing the collected physical *stuff* of years of 
art/work -- created stuff, stuff with potential, stuff that reminds us 
not to do *that* again, stuff that waits patiently for "that is 
exactly what I needed!"


And then there is the mental and emotional clutter to address...right 
now that seems like a more daunting task than cleaning the studio! But 
sometimes they go hand in hand, the mental clutter drives the art, and 
then you have


more stuff.

I envy the zen, but live more in the wreck room.

Has anyone on the list ever done anything wildly destructive and/or 
cathartic with old work, then used the remains to create something 
new? (I'm thinking of an art bonfire in a metal trashcan in my own 
case, an idea I've toyed with for a while, and this may be the year)


Or have you done that and had instant regret?

Pax,
xoMelissa








 Melissa McCarthy
 Hours: whimsical or by appointment
 >>>Adult, maybe; grown-up, never!<<<
 http://www.bonafideart.com








Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Ann Klefstad
Great story, Kathy! I love the sense of the drama of that age, you know
you're sort of discovering the scale at which you want to live, and at that
age the desired scale is pretty big, and one's abilities are really not up
to it. You discover how much courage you have--   a lot, I think, in your
case! 

I have smashed work, stuffed it in dumpsters, abandoned it (once discovered
that the closet it was stuffed in on my departure from san francisco had
leaked for a few years (I was gone a long time) because the building had
been abandoned. The work was largely ruined but a few drawings had grown
beautiful molds. So I took them back.

Do medical students frame the cadavers on which they practice? I think it's
good to dispose of things when they're no longer alive.

On 4/22/06 11:35 AM, "Kathy Forer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Apr 22, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Melissa McCarthy wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone on the list ever done anything wildly destructive and/or
>> cathartic with old work, then used the remains to create something
>> new? (I'm thinking of an art bonfire in a metal trashcan in my own
>> case, an idea I've toyed with for a while, and this may be the
>> year)
> 
> When I was of a certain age, too young to mention, I had my first boy-
> girl party (that young) and when no one was paying enough attention
> to me I irrationally went over to fireplace and oh so casually lent
> elbow against mantel and swept away my younger precious work. At
> least two lions modeled after the Public Library lions -- my poor
> memory doesn't clue me in to what else -- were lost.
> 
> The scary thing is I think it was pre-meditated. I recall practicing
> sweeping my elbow against the mantel. It was some kind of hail mary
> commitment to my own private world.
> 
> Instant regret and it obviously did nothing but embarrass me. I spent
> the night contemplating sitting on our thirteenth floor ledge but was
> scared. I thought if I could sit there, legs hanging down, I'd show
> myself how brave I was. So I sat on the radiator inside with legs out
> the open window, inching out until it seemed ridiculous.
> 
> I've ruined work by working on it too much, taking it where it in
> contradictory nullifying directions. I've also neglected the stuff,
> which is tantamount to destroying it slowly. I've also been
> preemptive and recycled some long-worked clay too soon. I keep every
> scrap now and someone will have to cope with it when I'm gone.
> Luckily there's a creek nearby, for now, and it would make good
> landfill.
> 
> My teacher spoke of how he once threw his early work out over a
> bridge. It was inspirational, perhaps I'll start with a few known duds.
> 
> Some ceramic artists recycle work into mosaic. Taking a hammer to
> work is a badge of honor, of cool-headed appraisal and judgment, good
> choices and priorities. Not very fluxus.
> 
> 




Re: FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Kathy Forer


On Apr 22, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Melissa McCarthy wrote:

Has anyone on the list ever done anything wildly destructive and/or  
cathartic with old work, then used the remains to create something  
new? (I'm thinking of an art bonfire in a metal trashcan in my own  
case, an idea I've toyed with for a while, and this may be the  
year)


When I was of a certain age, too young to mention, I had my first boy- 
girl party (that young) and when no one was paying enough attention  
to me I irrationally went over to fireplace and oh so casually lent  
elbow against mantel and swept away my younger precious work. At  
least two lions modeled after the Public Library lions -- my poor  
memory doesn't clue me in to what else -- were lost.


The scary thing is I think it was pre-meditated. I recall practicing  
sweeping my elbow against the mantel. It was some kind of hail mary  
commitment to my own private world.


Instant regret and it obviously did nothing but embarrass me. I spent  
the night contemplating sitting on our thirteenth floor ledge but was  
scared. I thought if I could sit there, legs hanging down, I'd show  
myself how brave I was. So I sat on the radiator inside with legs out  
the open window, inching out until it seemed ridiculous.


I've ruined work by working on it too much, taking it where it in  
contradictory nullifying directions. I've also neglected the stuff,  
which is tantamount to destroying it slowly. I've also been  
preemptive and recycled some long-worked clay too soon. I keep every  
scrap now and someone will have to cope with it when I'm gone.  
Luckily there's a creek nearby, for now, and it would make good  
landfill.


My teacher spoke of how he once threw his early work out over a  
bridge. It was inspirational, perhaps I'll start with a few known duds.


Some ceramic artists recycle work into mosaic. Taking a hammer to  
work is a badge of honor, of cool-headed appraisal and judgment, good  
choices and priorities. Not very fluxus.





FLUXLIST: Physical stuff

2006-04-22 Thread Melissa McCarthy
Carol, I was so taken by your post; spent the night in my studio, surrounded 
by the clutter and stuff of work and no work, possibility and despair of 
use. I think you're right; there is a certain satisfaction in seeing the 
collected physical *stuff* of years of art/work -- created stuff, stuff with 
potential, stuff that reminds us not to do *that* again, stuff that waits 
patiently for "that is exactly what I needed!"


And then there is the mental and emotional clutter to address...right now 
that seems like a more daunting task than cleaning the studio! But sometimes 
they go hand in hand, the mental clutter drives the art, and then you have


more stuff.

I envy the zen, but live more in the wreck room.

Has anyone on the list ever done anything wildly destructive and/or 
cathartic with old work, then used the remains to create something new? (I'm 
thinking of an art bonfire in a metal trashcan in my own case, an idea I've 
toyed with for a while, and this may be the year)


Or have you done that and had instant regret?

Pax,
xoMelissa








 Melissa McCarthy
 Hours: whimsical or by appointment
 >>>Adult, maybe; grown-up, never!<<<
 http://www.bonafideart.com





FLUXLIST: Above that

2006-04-22 Thread J. Lehmus


VIII

Diary blue gold
  dearest and palimpsest
in need of a better pen
  And you didn't respond

Jumping, and hot
  foul air, and wild eyes
it was in a meeting
  and I do confine myself
Describing a point
A circle around a point
  A certain vicinity
  Draw a line here

Yes, it was that woman
  and she opened her mouth first
Of the drunken stiffness
and the three sons
Sadness cruelty cheap magazines
  honesty childlike and failure

But there is a bad feeling
  hangs over this
   You've seen her before


IX

Said too much
   after all, after
entering bit early
 determined
with a woman I don't know
  Not too much happening
and the participants
and the one-shots
   the doll-girl
wary conversation

And maybe I failed
  but the clown was very eloquent
  It was my first time there
like that
And maybe I failed, being bored
  my report fills two pages
  haste typing and fuck it

I remember the fat lady
  Brown eyes circled with lighter brown
her children were alike
Something you'll learn to single out


X

Got the tickets
  and I do speed forth
 maybe, drumming

Almost identical date
  and the destination
  now three times over
 same, same
  Yes I did like the night air
   the wind at night
   and the rhythm
   sleeping not no much

There is a lady
liked one of the pictures
  A clutter of parked cars
and some junk there
 shallow perspective

Do I write it down here
  the intent to re-create
  or avoid
 One always does return


XI

More than before
or equalling it
regular expressions
expectations, automatism

"I dreamed that you were dead"
  and she was very tired
  skipping breakfast
and hysterical because of the ants

Their houses are of grey stone
  So much different
and that amber, crystals
the amethyst fragments
   and the fox fur, dirty harps
pay for the toilet
 sweet wines

Daffodils, yes - the flowers
  omnipresent
 dig it
dog-brother
 white blue black


XII

Oh did I already have a line about stars
  And I witnessed a dash being drawn
my wish is always the same

But I do carry on
  capable
   and no recording is necessary
  can put it here
  float, and get hold of it

Cloudy appearance
  and glowing for a while, dots, dots
Yes some of it is in the eye
  remember
and the fluids have it

Circulation, and you imagine sounds
  friendly shadows
  and the fingers caress dreamy skin
fabric of being
  How do you define essence
a sense of movement
   Light from very far away

21.4.2006



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