RE: Choice of a XSL-Fo processor

2002-01-27 Thread Michiel Verhoef

big snip

$ The evaluation version does not include the API 
$ documentation: it is meant
$ to let people assess formatting quality, memory footprint and 
$ performance.
$ In our view, detailed knowledge of API is not necessary for making a 
$ purchase
$ decision.

Well, that depends on the requirements one has for software. I for one would
not
choose any tool if I had not been able to evaluate those things that I would
be
using the tool for.

I agree that very detailed API knowledge may not be required but on the
other hand:
if I could choose between a tool that I could evaluate in full (and thus
have a reasonable
idea of what to expect in the future) for a limited time and a tool that I
could partially test
I'd go for the tool that I could test in full (provided it passed the test,
of course).

Just my $0.02,

Michiel

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Re: Choice of a XSL-Fo processor

2002-01-27 Thread tony

hi,
even i am working on a similar sort of project of making PDF from XSL-FO.
I evaluated XEP, FOP  XFC by IBM.

XFC is quite good but the file size very large compare to other rendering
engines. so it may not be of much help.

XEP gives has a windows COM wrapper available but not for free.
It should be of use if you don't want to use the command-line  application.
The evaluation version of XEP adds a line Rendered by www.RenderX.com 
line to the left bottom of the PDF output page. So this version can not be
used for commercial purpose. I tried to find out about the prices of COM
component, but i din't get a reply from RenderX as yet. (if anyone can
figure out the prices do let me know)

Apache FOP: is good. But it still does not support many properties. But u
can get the desired output by doing changes in your XSL-FO file. Hopefully
newer releases of  FOP will have all the properties implemented.

Let me know if you get some more information abut these rendering engines.
Thanks,
Dhiraj





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 big snip

 $ The evaluation version does not include the API
 $ documentation: it is meant
 $ to let people assess formatting quality, memory footprint and
 $ performance.
 $ In our view, detailed knowledge of API is not necessary for making a
 $ purchase
 $ decision.

 Well, that depends on the requirements one has for software. I for one
would
 not
 choose any tool if I had not been able to evaluate those things that I
would
 be
 using the tool for.

 I agree that very detailed API knowledge may not be required but on the
 other hand:
 if I could choose between a tool that I could evaluate in full (and thus
 have a reasonable
 idea of what to expect in the future) for a limited time and a tool that I
 could partially test
 I'd go for the tool that I could test in full (provided it passed the
test,
 of course).

 Just my $0.02,

 Michiel

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Choice of a XSL-Fo processor

2002-01-25 Thread GISBERT Aurélien (DSIT-EX)


I have to do a comparison between the different existing XSL-Fo processors.
I focused on these ones:
-FOP, Apache
-XEP, RenderX
-Antenna House XSL Processor
-PassiveTeX

Could you give me their good and bad parts?
Who support them?
What are the aims of each one about the XSL specification?
Finally, is there any other good XSL-Fo processors? 

I understood that these 4 XSL-Fo processors were all compliant to the basic
conformance level in the W3C recommendation, and also to some of the objects
and properties of the extended level.
 
I would like to have your opinions. I have to transform an XML document into
a PDF file, using a specific model of presentation (first page, contents,
headers, titles, ...)

Regards

---
Aurelien Gisbert
Engineer student in the INSA of Lyon, France
Internee in the SNCF, France (working with Alain Herbuel, in the DSIT-EX
section)

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Re: Choice of a XSL-Fo processor

2002-01-25 Thread Betty Harvey


Aurelien:

I recently went through this exercise.  I evaluated FOP, XEP and
AntennaHouse.  I didn't evaluate PassiveTex.  I started putting together
analysis sheet together of the different products but haven't completed it
yet.  For commercial projects I think both XEP and Antenna House work very
well.  XEP provided more of the functionality we required (internal and
external linking and side navigation bar (extension to FO). Although I
understand that Antenna House will have some of this functionality in the
next release. However, you have to use a XSLT parser to create the FO
file first.  XEP is command-line driven.  Another good feature of XEP and
FOP is that it created the PDF and doesn't require Distiller.  FOP also
has a side-navigation bar extension.

I liked Antenna Houses graphical user interface for the
development of the XSL-FO.  This is a nice development tool because
you can see the results without creating a PDF file and opening
the Reader to see the results. However, to create a PDF file you
do need Distiller.  I used the evaluation version of Antenna House
recently to print training materials for a training class and I
was very happy with the results.

I originally created my XSL-FO file to work with XEP. I had
one to change one attribute in the XSL file to get it to work
with Antenna House (fo:page-sequence master-reference to
fo:page-sequence master-name).  I had to do major surgery to
get it to work with FOP because of the unsupported features.

Bottom line both XEP and Antenna House are good and seem
very stable.  If I get my analysis sheet completed I may post it
if anyone is interested.

Hope this helps.

Betty




On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, GISBERT Aurélien (DSIT-EX) wrote:


 I have to do a comparison between the different existing XSL-Fo processors.
 I focused on these ones:
 -FOP, Apache
 -XEP, RenderX
 -Antenna House XSL Processor
 -PassiveTeX

 Could you give me their good and bad parts?
 Who support them?
 What are the aims of each one about the XSL specification?
 Finally, is there any other good XSL-Fo processors?

 I understood that these 4 XSL-Fo processors were all compliant to the basic
 conformance level in the W3C recommendation, and also to some of the objects
 and properties of the extended level.

 I would like to have your opinions. I have to transform an XML document into
 a PDF file, using a specific model of presentation (first page, contents,
 headers, titles, ...)

 Regards

 ---
 Aurelien Gisbert
 Engineer student in the INSA of Lyon, France
 Internee in the SNCF, France (working with Alain Herbuel, in the DSIT-EX
 section)

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Re: Choice of a XSL-Fo processor

2002-01-25 Thread Matt Savino

Thanks Betty for filling in some of the blanks. (I was mixing up XEP and
PassiveTex in a post I made earlier. I forgot XEP is RenderX.)

I just had a couple of questions:

Antenna House is Windows-only right?

Do you think XEP's command line-driven approach would work within a J2EE
internet application dynamically generating printable reports?
Apparently the reason my developer couldn't find an API to XEP is that
there is none. I'd rather avoid hassling with temp files and calling
command line driven batch processes from within my application if I can
avoid it.

Thanks a lot for all your help. 

-Matt

  




Betty Harvey wrote:
 
 Aurelien:
 
 I recently went through this exercise.  I evaluated FOP, XEP and
 AntennaHouse.  I didn't evaluate PassiveTex.  I started putting together
 analysis sheet together of the different products but haven't completed it
 yet.  For commercial projects I think both XEP and Antenna House work very
 well.  XEP provided more of the functionality we required (internal and
 external linking and side navigation bar (extension to FO). Although I
 understand that Antenna House will have some of this functionality in the
 next release. However, you have to use a XSLT parser to create the FO
 file first.  XEP is command-line driven.  Another good feature of XEP and
 FOP is that it created the PDF and doesn't require Distiller.  FOP also
 has a side-navigation bar extension.
 
 I liked Antenna Houses graphical user interface for the
 development of the XSL-FO.  This is a nice development tool because
 you can see the results without creating a PDF file and opening
 the Reader to see the results. However, to create a PDF file you
 do need Distiller.  I used the evaluation version of Antenna House
 recently to print training materials for a training class and I
 was very happy with the results.
 
 I originally created my XSL-FO file to work with XEP. I had
 one to change one attribute in the XSL file to get it to work
 with Antenna House (fo:page-sequence master-reference to
 fo:page-sequence master-name).  I had to do major surgery to
 get it to work with FOP because of the unsupported features.
 
 Bottom line both XEP and Antenna House are good and seem
 very stable.  If I get my analysis sheet completed I may post it
 if anyone is interested.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Betty
 
 On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, GISBERT Aurélien (DSIT-EX) wrote:
 
 
  I have to do a comparison between the different existing XSL-Fo processors.
  I focused on these ones:
  -FOP, Apache
  -XEP, RenderX
  -Antenna House XSL Processor
  -PassiveTeX
 
  Could you give me their good and bad parts?
  Who support them?
  What are the aims of each one about the XSL specification?
  Finally, is there any other good XSL-Fo processors?
 
  I understood that these 4 XSL-Fo processors were all compliant to the basic
  conformance level in the W3C recommendation, and also to some of the objects
  and properties of the extended level.
 
  I would like to have your opinions. I have to transform an XML document into
  a PDF file, using a specific model of presentation (first page, contents,
  headers, titles, ...)
 
  Regards
 
  ---
  Aurelien Gisbert
  Engineer student in the INSA of Lyon, France
  Internee in the SNCF, France (working with Alain Herbuel, in the DSIT-EX
  section)
 
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Re: Choice of a XSL-Fo processor

2002-01-25 Thread Patrick Andries



Matt Savino wrote:

Thanks Betty for filling in some of the blanks. (I was mixing up XEP and
PassiveTex in a post I made earlier. I forgot XEP is RenderX.)

I just had a couple of questions:

Antenna House is Windows-only right?

Do you think XEP's command line-driven approach would work within a J2EE
internet application dynamically generating printable reports?

I believe XEP has an embeddable version but only for a fee.


Apparently the reason my developer couldn't find an API to XEP is that
there is none.


There is none freely available, but this is what I read this on their 
support list some time ago :
«The commercial version of XEP
comes with a fourth document that describes various programming interfaces
available in XEP.

The evaluation version does not include the API documentation: it is meant
to let people assess formatting quality, memory footprint and performance.
In our view, detailed knowledge of API is not necessary for making a 
purchase
decision.

Best regards,
Nikolai Grigoriev
RenderX»




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