Board of Directors Elections 2021 - Candidacy - Alberto Ruiz
Hello everyone, Just wanted to announce my candidacy for the board of directors. This is a decision I've been seriously thinking about since 2017 but however becoming a dad, switching jobs and moving cities has gotten in the way. Why do I want to run? Mostly out of sense of duty. I think that while being part of the board may not the most rewarding thing to do at GNOME it is an essential function to enable the work of others. I think it is long overdue for me to pick up the torch and give it a go. What would be my focus? The short answer is, wherever I am most useful. To be more concrete, here are some of the things I care about: I worry a lot about the sustainability of GNOME as a project, I want to make sure our stack is positioned to attract more contributors both corporate and individual. I want our community to be a welcoming place to everyone so that we keep being excelent to one another. I want our events to have the biggest impact in terms of catalysing the efforts of the developers and attracting new talent. I also want the foundation to be as transparent as possible and ensure that foundation members and the community at large are aware of the impact our staff is having. Who are you anyway? I've been a GNOME contributor ever since 2004, I started focusing on Python GTK bindings and Windows support and then started having impact in other areas. I have never been a rockstar hacker so my code contributions are modest, but I have participated in many initiatives within GNOME such as organizing the first Desktop Summit, countless hackfests, GUADEC in Manchester. For a long time I was the main Planet GNOME editor and I also started our journey towards GitLab (although Carlos Soriano and Andrea Veri deserve praise for most of the heavy lifting) a few years after I built the GitHub mirror and noticed all the casual contributions that started to happen there. I've worked at Sun, Codethink, Canonical, AWS and Red Hat, and most of my jobs have been tightly tied to my experience and impact within GNOME, something for which I am forever grateful and for which I try to give back to the community in every possible way. Affiliation: I currently work for Red Hat Thank you and happy hacking. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Board of Directors Elections 2019 - Candidacy - Benjamin Berg
El lun., 15 jul. 2019 a las 13:36, Benjamin Berg () escribió: > On Mon, 2019-07-15 at 12:47 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > > I find that final note utterly inappropriate. I can't find a single > > person that has worked with Philip that thinks he is untrustworthy, > > your implication here is VERY toxic and creates an environment of > > unnecessary tension, if you don't agree with how the board operates > > that is fine, but turning those concerns with the operations into > > personal accusations towards people who are doing this under a > > volunteer capacity and most likely with the best intentions is not > > acceptable and it damages the good spirit of this community. Please > > stop turning these issues into personal attacks. > > I never wanted to bring this whole issue to the public by posting about > it on foundation-list. Unfortunately, Philip brought this up during the > election and I do believe that it was important that there is some > follow up as public attention had been drawn to the issue already. > You are not addressing my comment, as I said, issues with how the board operates and suggestions/concerns are perfectly fine to discuss publicly. That was not my point and you know it. In letting your concerns and frustrations turn into an excuse to personally attack Philip is not acceptable, you are unfairly alienating: - Him individually, despite his efforts as a volunteer doing his best to fulfil his duties as a board member. - The board - The whole community by turning a position in the board as something that may risk yourself having to deal with the kind of comment you just used. Something for you to think about, what incentives does anybody have to run for the board if they have to deal with comments like that when people are not happy when things are not done the way they want to? I would encourage you to, instead of justifying yourself as you just did, apologize to Philip and the board for the sake of not just keeping things civil, but also to ensure that other people feel safe when running to the board in upcoming elections. > Benjamin > > > > > [1] > > > > https://wiki.gnome.org/action/diff/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20180529?action=diff=1=2 > > > [2] > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2018-October/msg1.html > > > [3] https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20181009 > > > [4] https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Board/issues/60#note_344793 > > > ___ > > > foundation-list mailing list > > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > > > > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Board of Directors Elections 2019 - Candidacy - Benjamin Berg
El sáb., 13 jul. 2019 a las 14:36, Benjamin Berg () escribió: > Hi Philip, > > On Tue, 2019-06-11 at 11:56 +0200, Tobias Mueller wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-06-06 at 11:20 -0700, Philip Chimento via foundation-list > > wrote: > > > If elected to the board, how would you help to build trust and > > > collaborative working relationships among the directors, and encourage > > > healthy debate? > > I think this is a great question for all the candidates and I would be > > delighted to read statements of candidates who want to position > > themselves. > > I don't particularly like bringing this up again, however, I do find it > sad that you never responded to this question. Also, I was surprised to > see that the archives have been updated recently but no public > statement has been made yet. > > To be specific you updated the minutes of 2018-05-29 on the 2019-07-08 > adding[1]: > > """ > * Code of conduct approval (Alexandre) >* Alexandre wants to have on the record that he disagrees with how > the board approved the CoC > """ > > In contrast, your original summary on foundation-list read: > > """ > […], I am clarifying explicitly in this addendum that Alexandre Franke > was not present at the above board meeting (see list of attendees), and > that in the following board meeting he went on the record stating that > he disagreed with the outcome of the above votes. > """[2], similar during the 2018-10-09 Board meeting [3] > > Now. What strikes me is that this was a considerable misrepresentation > of what Alexandre said at the time, and the possibility of exactly such > a misrepresentation was a major concern in the discussion[4]. It may > appear like be a detail at first, but the fact that Alexandre voiced > his disagreement with *how* the vote happened and not with the > *outcome* of the vote is a fundamental difference. From his own > statement, we do not know whether or not Alexandre agrees with the > outcome. > > Now, I do believe that mistakes like this can and do happen. But > considering the situation, do you think that Alexandre or any other > foundation member have grounds to trust you? > I find that final note utterly inappropriate. I can't find a single person that has worked with Philip that thinks he is untrustworthy, your implication here is VERY toxic and creates an environment of unnecessary tension, if you don't agree with how the board operates that is fine, but turning those concerns with the operations into personal accusations towards people who are doing this under a volunteer capacity and most likely with the best intentions is not acceptable and it damages the good spirit of this community. Please stop turning these issues into personal attacks. > Benjamin > > [1] > https://wiki.gnome.org/action/diff/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20180529?action=diff=1=2 > [2] > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2018-October/msg1.html > [3] https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20181009 > [4] https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Board/issues/60#note_344793 > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME 3.26 Release Parties
I use TransferWise _a lot_ and I couldn't recommend it enough. I think the Foundation should use it. 2017-09-13 8:33 GMT+01:00 Felipe Borges <felipebor...@gnome.org>: > Hello, > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Nuritzi Sanchez <nuri...@gnome.org> wrote: >> As of now, we don't have any other accounts set up. We have thought about >> using TransferWise [1], but I doubt we'll have this set up in time for this >> upcoming release party cycle. >> >> It looks like TransferWise would work in Turkey, and in many of the >> countries where we have local groups. Does anyone have experience using the >> service? > > Yes, I have used the service to send money abroad and it works just > fine with lower fees than the standard options. I also have a friend > (fellow GNOME user) that works there and I could reach to help us out > if necessary. > >> Apparently, TransferWise has low fees. @Muhammet - have you used >> Payoneer or Skrill before and do you recommend those above others? We're >> happy to consider other tools and it'd be helpful to know people's >> experience using them. >> >> I'm including more information about the larger challenge around payments >> below. If anyone is interested in this topic, please email me or the Board >> as we're having a Foundation hackfest [2] in early October around budgets, >> financial policies, etc, and we'd love your thoughts on what's working well >> and what isn't so we can discuss and try to problem-solve. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Best, >> Nuritzi >> >> [1] https://transferwise.com/ >> [2] https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/Foundation2017 >> >> Some context on payments >> >> Here are the main problems we've had with sending small reimbursements so >> far: >> >> Bank transfer fees are heavy and paid by both the GNOME Foundation and >> usually also by recipients, depending on their bank's policies. >> >> PayPal is not available in all of the countries where we have active groups. >> It still has steep fees for some countries. >> >> We don't want to set up too many online payment accounts because of the >> overhead of managing them. >> >> Because of these issues, it's been hard to reimburse local organizers for >> small events. The PayPal solution has worked at least somewhat well for >> groups in the past year, but it excludes people in Turkey, where we have an >> active community. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:35 AM, Muhammet Kara <muhamm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Nuritzi, >>> >>> Is there any reimbursement option other than paypal? It doesn't work in >>> Turkey. Payoneer and maybe Skrill are working. >>> >>> Best, >>> Muhammet >>> >>> 2017-09-12 9:20 GMT+03:00 Nuritzi Sanchez <nuri...@gnome.org>: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> As the release of GNOME 3.26 approaches, the Engagement team would like >>>> to encourage you to join or host a release party in your area. As has been >>>> the case with recent releases, we have a budget of $50 per group for the >>>> first 10 groups that request a budget. >>>> >>>> You can find out whether there is a party near you, or add yours to the >>>> list here: >>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Events/ReleaseParties/ThreePointTwentysix. >>>> There, you'll also find information on how to request a budget for your >>>> event. >>>> >>>> You can find tips on how to hold a release party here: >>>> https://blogs.gnome.org/engagement/2017/09/11/release-parties/ >>>> >>>> If you have any questions, let me know, and thanks to everyone who has >>>> contributed to this upcoming release! >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Nuritzi >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nuritzi Sanchez >>>> GNOME Foundation >>>> President, Board of Directors >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> engagement-list mailing list >>>> engagement-l...@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nuritzi Sanchez >> GNOME Foundation >> President, Board of Directors >> >> ___ >> foundation-list mailing list >> foundation-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list >> > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Contact with community
Hello Christopher, Just a reminder that we do have a group called GNOME Hispano, that is meant to serve as common place for a community of Spanish speakers and help with this English-Spanish language barrier in any country, we have a mailing list and a Telegram group. The group is currently quite Spain-centric, but we would love to expand our reach again as we did in the past. Feel free to reach out to us through our mailing list: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hispano-list 2017-07-29 18:16 GMT+01:00 Christopher Díaz Riveros <christopher.diaz@gmail.com>: > > Good Morning, > > My name is Christopher Díaz Riveros, I'm a software development student > in Lima, Peru. For some time now I have been supporting my Linux > community, Gentoo Linux, and I have discovered a wide world of > possibilities in open source. > > I tell you this because it has been so much benefit in my training as a > developer that I am determined to start a new community in my country > to be able to make technology-related career students find an open > source community in which they can learn to work And get the same > positive effect that I have had on mine. I have already been talking to > some teachers, I am about to begin my final year of studies in high > school, and they agree to start the community with students of the > institution. > > As one of the main problems when getting involved with a community here > is the barrier of english language, and few are able to have fluent > conversations in that language, as it is a bit intimidating for most to > approach an open source community. My community hopes to get in touch > with different open source projects throughout the world and seeks to > be a mid-point to interact among young people and communities. > > Having said all this I have only to offer the community of GNOME, the > availability of our community (we still do not have a definite name) > and see if anyone is interested in supporting this group of developers > here and with a bit of luck be able to turn it into a movement of all > Latin America. > > Thanks and any kind of feedback is welcome :) > Christopher Diaz Riveros > > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of November, 1st, 2016
Thanks a lot for clarifying Nuritzi. I'll try to get in touch with Kat. 2016-11-09 1:24 GMT+00:00 Nuritzi Sanchez <nuri...@gnome.org>: > Hi Alberto, > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Alberto Ruiz <ar...@gnome.org> wrote: > >> >> * ED search update >>> * 2016-08-10, The search is still ongoing >>> >> >> What is the board doing specifically? At which stage of the search are we >> at? Are we exploring possibilities with existing candidates? Do we need >> candidates? Who is doing this? Is there any way we can help? Should we do >> another public call for candidates? >> > > The ED search committee identified qualified candidates and presented them > to the Board. The Board is in advanced stages of the process. As of now, we > do not need new candidates and are hopeful to soon have a less vague update > for Foundation members. > > >> >>> * Conference sponsorships >>> * 2016-08-10 >>>* ACTION: Kat to make sure that a sponsorship brochure with all >>> conference, levels, combinations and perks is available for the Board to >>> review >>> >> >> FWIW I've been getting in touch with potential sponsors for the last >> month, it would be great if we could coordinate these efforts. >> >> > Agreed. You and Kat should touch base - it'd be great to collaborate on > this project! > > - N > > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of November, 1st, 2016
2016-11-08 22:19 GMT+00:00 Cosimo Cecchi <cosi...@gnome.org>: > > * ED search update > * 2016-08-10, The search is still ongoing > While I appreciate this is a sensitive issue wrt the privacy of candidates, I don't think it hurts to be more specific as to what that sentence actually means. What is the board doing specifically? At which stage of the search are we at? Are we exploring possibilities with existing candidates? Do we need candidates? Who is doing this? Is there any way we can help? Should we do another public call for candidates? Thanks! > * Conference sponsorships > * 2016-08-10 >* ACTION: Kat to make sure that a sponsorship brochure with all > conference, levels, combinations and perks is available for the Board to > review > FWIW I've been getting in touch with potential sponsors for the last month, it would be great if we could coordinate these efforts. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Travel committee disfunctional?
Zeeshan, I understand your frustration, but how would you feel if you were one of the volunteers throwing as much spare time as you have to help in the committee and you read your email (or even just the subject, which I find discouraging enough)? how would you feel if you were thinking about becoming a volunteer on this or some other committee/group within GNOME and saw this kind of negative feedback thrown? Do you think your email is particularly encouraging? We must be rather careful with words towards people making an extra effort outside of their work/"normal" life to help run this community. This sort of problem is normal in any volunteer based organization, which you should know by now, and your email doesn't quite point things towards any particular solution. What are we (the foundation members) supposed to do with your email? Unleash some sort of imaginary whip towards the travel committee? I'm pretty sure they're doing their best. 2016-03-16 14:36 GMT+00:00 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) <zeesha...@gnome.org>: > Hi everyone, > > I'm sorry to bring this up but it seems to me that travel-committee > members do not have time for doing their job in a timely manner. I say > this cause it's now been several weeks that I applied for FOSDEM > re-reimbursement but have not yet received it. Soon after the > conference I was informed that I need to blog about the events and I > did that as soon as I could, even though I was ill, assuming that > would mean me getting reimbursed sooner. After a few weeks of waiting > and regular reminders, I was asked if I would rather want to be > reimbursed to paypal instead and it's been two weeks since I provided > my paypal details now. I pinged the travel-committee list a few times > since then but I have got no response at all. > > I understand that travel-committee is composed of volunteers and they > could get real busy with their work and life but if people have to > spend a lot of time on getting the committee members to do their jobs, > I think we have a problem and we need to talk about it. > > -- > Regards, > > Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) > > Befriend GNOME: http://www.gnome.org/friends/ > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME Foundation is looking for ARMv7 hardware
Hello community, After a recent thread about the convenience of accessible ARMv7 hardware for GNOME continuous it occurred to me that it'd be nice to reach out to companies with access to this kind of hardware, specially cloud providers. I just spoke to the board and they granted me permission to reach out to organizations on behalf of the community to try to secure access to ARM hardware for our continuous infra. I just wrote a blog post to announce it and let any organization reach us, if you know someone please get me in touch, and if not please spread the blog post on your social media: https://siliconislandblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/gnome-foundation-is-looking-for-armv7-hw/ Thanks! -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [Builder] Developer experience (DX) hackfest 2016
I've managed to make some room to attend the hackfest, count me in, I'm adding myself to the wiki. 2016-01-10 18:55 GMT+00:00 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) <zeesha...@gnome.org>: > Hi, > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Richard Stallman <r...@gnu.org> wrote: > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] > > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Jitsi works fine for meetings. All each participant needs is > > to visit a given URL; it could hardly be easier. > > FWIW, I just tested this here with help from Lasse Schuirmann and and > Jakub Steiner. For me and Lasse, it worked like a charm, out of the > box (actually better first time experience than with Google hangout > since you are not asked to download/install some packages). However, > Jakub had some issues getting video to work and then some problem with > mic as well but IIUC, it was to do with his special hardware not being > properly supported by drivers. > > > I thought we were looking for one-way streaming to a lot of people, > > not for a meeting. But I could have misunderstood that. > > It's a hackfest, so while the primary objective is one-way > communication, it would be very much desirable IMO for remote > participants to be able to talk with us. > > -- > Regards, > > Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) > > Befriend GNOME: http://www.gnome.org/friends/ > ___ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Hello to Foundation List
Welcome Siska, it was a pleasure to meet you at GUADEC, we need people as cheerful and energetic as you are so I am really glad you're a foundation member now. I'm sure you'll have a great party, enjoy! 2015-09-17 15:25 GMT+01:00 Michael Hill <mdhil...@gmail.com>: > Welcome, Siska! > > Mike > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Siska Iskandar <seattle.b...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> Let me introduce myself first. My name is Siska Restu Anggraeny Iskandar, >> but you can call me Siska for short. I was born in Banjar, West Java, >> Indonesia and grew up in Yogyakarta, Indonesia. It is a different province >> with different culture and language. I am currently in last year of >> Bachelor Degree with Informatics Engineering majoing in State Islamic >> University Sunan Kalijaga Yogyakarta. >> >> In May 2015, I join and help GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 and become local >> organizer of that event. If you are there, probably you see me, I am the >> one who hold mic all day. I am the MC :D. [0] >> >> My journey with open-source began in 2009 when I got into Vocational High >> School with Computer Engineering and Networking. We got Networking Subject >> which is we should getting know RedHat and Fedora, and etc. >> >> In the first year of my university, I find digital or technology term is >> common thing in my life. Being an IT student give me a rapid update about >> its technology, but how about our social environment? Technology has been >> my lifestyle but I do wish that I could share my experience, knowledge and >> prosperity to society. >> >> From last couple years, I’ve been focused for help and contribute on >> awareness of women in technology. One of my concern is the housewives and >> motherhood, the very base user in technology. We help them by teach and >> introduce them to newest technology or the explain the nearest technology >> around them. In March, I started to take a dip to motherhood to introduce >> them to the FOSS. [1]. The movement is called "Perempuan Sadar Teknologi" >> or in English is called Women Awareness in Technology. >> >> After joining GNOME.Asia Summit 2015, I intend to attend GUADEC 2015, >> too. Then I registered as volunteer for GUADEC and got sponsorship from >> GNOME Foundation (thanks GNOME <3 ) to go Gutenberg, Sweden and meet a huge >> number of contributor, user and developer of GNOME. >> >> Right now, I am preparing GNOME 3.18 Release Party in Yogyakarta, >> Indonesia. We already got place and some sponsor, including from GNOME >> Foundation! It is my pleasure to host GNOME event here. But we haven't >> receive the fund yet. Hehehehe. >> >> We plan to not only having a party but also create some simple class from >> motherhood and housewives to introduce them to FOSS and anti-piracy >> campaign. If you all had a free time around first week of October, we will >> pleased to meet you! >> >> >> [0] http://2015.gnome.asia/ >> [1] >> https://iskandarsiska.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/introduce-foss-to-motherhood/ >> >> PS. GNOME 3.18 Release Party will happens at 3rd October, 2015 2 PM till >> 5 PM GMT +7 Maps of Crystal Lotus Hotel, Yogyakarta >> <https://www.google.co.id/maps/place/Crystal+Lotus+Hotel/@-7.7594167,110.3622902,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x2e7a585be6081a03:0xf6d3b5689e92d5ce!2sCrystal+Lotus+Hotel!3b1!3m1!1s0x2e7a585be6081a03:0xf6d3b5689e92d5ce?hl=id> >> -- >> All the best, >> >> *Siska Iskandar* >> *WhatsApp : +62 8383 7177 191* >> >> >> ___ >> foundation-list mailing list >> foundation-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list >> >> > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: User Data Manifesto
+1 2015-08-21 20:57 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com: On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Allan Day a...@gnome.org wrote: Hi all, Hey, Any thoughts? None other than let's add our name to the list. -- Alexandre Franke ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015
Hello board again, people have poked me stating that perhaps my email can be read harsher than I intended and I kind of agree. To clarify: - I don't think that finding an ED is easy (it's precisely because I think it's extremely hard that I think we should putting a lot of efforts there) - If the board can't handle the task, pleas ask for help, there are plenty of people in the community that hire people in their companies on a regular basis and would be happy to help (myself included, so I'm volunteering, for the record) - I don't think the board is communicating his struggles on this topic well enough, hence my demand for more information (can't help if we can't figure out what's the problem) Sorry if by previous email sent the message that I was assuming the task at hand is easy and that the board does not worry at all, I will try to be more careful and constructive in my wording next time. 2015-02-04 17:33 GMT+01:00 Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org: Hello Board, 2015-02-02 22:51 GMT+01:00 Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org: Deferred: * Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy Peters * Comment from Stormy: There is a press mailing list to deal with press inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be able to find me but you are welcome to point them my way. * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what he wants and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if he really wanted to reach Stormy in particular? * Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsors' brochure to help with that? * WHS * OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action required wrt Narcis Garcia's email? * Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and status * ED search ED search deferred? Again? Guys, I am sorry to tell, and I hope I don't just speak for myself here, but I can't think of _anything_ more important/urgent than finding a new ED, whatever tasks the board tries to accomplish without the assistance of an ED is just going to take longer, and at the end of the day not having one is going to harm our relationship with our sponsors and it's going to remove our ability to find new ones. If you are working something out in the background that the members of the foundation are not aware of, please tell, and if you keep deferring it for good reasons, please, state those reasons. I'd hate to see ourselves in a similar situation than we were when our first ED back in the days left -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015
Hello Board, 2015-02-02 22:51 GMT+01:00 Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org: Deferred: * Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy Peters * Comment from Stormy: There is a press mailing list to deal with press inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be able to find me but you are welcome to point them my way. * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what he wants and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if he really wanted to reach Stormy in particular? * Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsors' brochure to help with that? * WHS * OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action required wrt Narcis Garcia's email? * Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and status * ED search ED search deferred? Again? Guys, I am sorry to tell, and I hope I don't just speak for myself here, but I can't think of _anything_ more important/urgent than finding a new ED, whatever tasks the board tries to accomplish without the assistance of an ED is just going to take longer, and at the end of the day not having one is going to harm our relationship with our sponsors and it's going to remove our ability to find new ones. If you are working something out in the background that the members of the foundation are not aware of, please tell, and if you keep deferring it for good reasons, please, state those reasons. I'd hate to see ourselves in a similar situation than we were when our first ED back in the days left -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME support for fixmydocument.eu
+1 2015-02-04 11:51 GMT+01:00 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: There's a website to encourage support for open standards, so ODF usage within European Union. On http://fixmydocuments.eu/?page_id=27 I see LibreOffice supporting this. KDE is also mentioned. It would be nice if we were listed as well I think. -- Regards, Olav ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO
I would _really_ appreciate if you guys held a discussion about things that quite frankly don't have anything to do with my original question in a different thread. Thank you. 2015-01-03 3:21 GMT+00:00 Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org: Hi, On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Magdalen Berns m.be...@thismagpie.com wrote: Hmm I am not so sure: The chip in your own card will be programmed with non-free software technically the transaction can't work unless the ATM is reading that. For the ATM to read your chip you are required you to physically connect your card's chip to the ATM's reader thus making an electronic circuit between your nonfree chip software and their non-free ATM software If the nature of a philosophical question is found to depend on the formation or absence of an electronic circuit, is it still a philosophical question? (Seriously -- the answer is relevant.) This does not seem like proportionate response taking into account that the Builder campaign has time considerations and the developer needs to, like eat and stuff to keep on living (lest we forget that). How about we all agree to let Builder off the hook and have a policy discussion about linking to sites that use non-free software, for in future? There is a wide gulf between the installation of nonfree software on a computer and the interpretation and compilation of nonfree Javascript by a web browser. On a technical level, I reject that that constitutes installation of software, but that's just semantics, so let's move on. On a philosophical level, the web site is a service, and we already agree that it's not our problem if the service provider runs nonfree software: but why is the question of whether it's the user's computer or the service provider's computer that executes nonfree code very interesting? This is a technical, implementation detail that's largely immaterial to the user experience. (Traditional free software respects the user and provides a significantly different user experience than proprietary software.) On a practical level, a campaign against obfuscated JS is completely doomed and can only hurt our efforts to attract users to free software. (How many people do you think would be using your distro here if it shipped IceCat instead of Firefox?) I suspect that the community of free software hackers eager to take on the entire Internet is dramatically smaller than those trying to maintain the free desktop. Richard's analysis in this thread and the essays on his web site are good, insightful reading, and I appreciate his guidance and continued participation in foundation-list threads, but his campaign against browser JS seems much more radical to me than the rest of our community's already-radical beliefs*. So let's find out what others think before we jump the gun and assume we have a problem here: does anyone else here use IceCat or LibreJS and believe that donating to the Builder campaign via Indiegogo is unethical due to its use of obfuscated Javascipt? In the absence of further complaints, let's get that banner posted, please. Michael P.S. I'm CCing Christian since I'm frankly unsure if he's aware of this discussion. * To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Builder crowdsourcing banner on PGO
My question was if someone was against it. Some people is against any website with obfuscated javascript (a concern and a discussion worth the while from a FOSS perspective I think, but beyond practical in this context), there seems to be consensus that supporting this campaign is the right thing. I'd say the question is settled. Whatever we do beyond that is a bit off scope for this thread. Besides, I don't think foundation list is the right place to discuss the creation of a new crowdsourcing platform that is FSF approved. Any help with the HTML/JS needed is more than welcome as I'm on vacation right now and have very little time to devote to it until the 13th :( 2015-01-03 3:31 GMT+00:00 Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: I would _really_ appreciate if you guys held a discussion about things that quite frankly don't have anything to do with my original question in a different thread. Thank you. Your question was if we should add a link to the campaign on a GNOME website. The current discussion is about defining if it fits within our ethical boundaries, so it has everything to do with your original question. (For the record, I was the first to reply positively to your question and even proposed to push it further) -- Alexandre Franke ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: OPW; Where does the 500$ for each GSoC goes?
It seems to me that this thread has turn into a series of counter arguments with no specific direction. Before we go ahead, can we please clarify: a) What problem are we trying to solve. and b) How is that problem a bigger problem that the one's we are solving and whether that's a problem the foundation should and could solve? 2014-09-16 16:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org: On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 13:18 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: that's not really a competitive salary for an experience developer, since we're talking about improving the developer experience of the platform. it may be barely enough for a part time developer, like it's barely enough for a part time system administrator (we were very lucky to have Andrea cover the role), but for a full time employee you're ignoring the fact that a salary before taxes translates to at least 1.5x to 2.5x the cost for the employer, depending on the geographical location of the Foundation and of the employee. since the Foundation is in the US, it would also imply a lot of administrative costs in order to employ somebody who's not US based, and who may be able to ask for less. in short: 40k dollars of Foundation money do not even remotely cover a full time employee. I know you're living in an area of the US with a dramatically higher than usual cost of living and also higher than usual salaries, and also that the Foundation's current employees are well-paid, but that's actually a completely normal income for a full-time American. This is actually pretty difficult to Google; the relevant statistic would be median personal wage for only full-time employees (which would be pre-tax; except for the employer half of social security and Medicare taxes, which I did forget: that'd be -6% I guess, so let's say $37000 remains for salary), which I couldn't find after about 15 minutes of searching, but I bet it's somewhere in the $4-$5 range. (Most income statistics are indeed after-tax, but those would show lower medians. E.g. [1] is combined after-tax income for an entire household (so often more than one worker): not what we're comparing here, though. The blue columns in [2] are the stat we want, but I bet that number includes part-time jobs and is therefore too low.) It's not *competitive* for a software developer, like I said, but it's surely sufficient. (How did we wind up at the $4 number anyway? Surely that's much more than an OPW. I guess that's the cost for an entire GUADEC?) I'd also be concerned that the money would only be sufficient to hire one full-time developer, as opposed to several students, and it's not really encouraging to volunteer developers that the Foundation pays one particular developer. I'd rather direct it towards specific projects instead. we can also have public bids for working on specific areas of interests — like we did for accessibility and privacy — and those bids can be answered by companies and individuals. the issue, at that point, becomes defining goals and deliverables, in order to award the money. This is the approach I think would be more beneficial. The question is whether spending part or all of our OPW money on a particular contract project would or would not be more valuable to GNOME. I have no clue. I like it when students continue to contribute after the end of the project, though. Michael [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income [2] http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/central.html ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GUADEC 2010 Talks
Hello list, Does anybody knows whatever happened to the GUADEC 2010 talks videos? Internet web archive says they were hosted by Flumotion but the links do not work anymore: https://web.archive.org/web/2005132253/http://www.flumotion.com/webm/ Does anyone has copies? -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question for candidates: OEMs
Quite frankly, I don't think this is a fair question to ask. We all would like that to happen of course but we don't have our own OS (at least not just yet), and there is no way Dell, or any OEM for that matter, is going to ship an OS without a well stablished commercial entity behind (from which they can reliably get the kind of support they can't get from the community), which at that point means that it won't be branded as GNOME but SUSE/RHEL... you name it. Realistically, to have OEMs shipping GNOME in a commercial product we need a set of things we don't currently have (like people employed to work on certification, training and support). 2014-05-22 21:10 GMT+02:00 Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org: On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 14:35 -0400, Jeff Fortin wrote: - Our somewhat nonexistent OEM story Dell is currently shipping Ubuntu computers running Unity. Wouldn't it be desirable to see a major OEM shipping GNOME as well? If so, what steps do you believe GNOME, and the board in particular, should take to achieve this goal? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Board of Directors Elections 2014 - Candidacy - Emily Gonyer
Do you have examples of situations where Red Hat (or any other company or corporation for that matter) has trumped what most of the community wants/needs? If you do, what do you think the board could/should do about it? 2014-05-21 13:24 GMT+02:00 Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com: Yes, you're part of the community. But you're being paid by a large corporation to work on it, and as a result are beholden to them at least as much as to the rest of the community. Red Hat is not the only thing that matters in the GNOME world. Or, it shouldn't be. But for the last several years, Red Hat's wants/needs have trumped what anyone else wants/needs, including the larger user base of GNOME which is what (I believe) has driven it to fracture into so many DE's over the last 3-4 years. We need to make sure that people who aren't working for Red Hat have a say. Make sure that people who aren't being paid to work on free software have a voice. Sure, those of us who are not currently paid can speak up on mailing lists, but we're (mostly) roundly ignored. This is what has driven the community apart. This is the problem. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 07:15 -0400, Emily Gonyer wrote: Of course people should be able to be paid to work on free software. That's great. But when one or two large companies pay the majority of developers, it becomes hard to argue that it is still a 'community led' project, let alone one which is independent. And that's where GNOME is right now. Are we (those paid contributors) not part of the community? Are non-paid volunteers the only ones that can be part of the community? I don't understand your answer here. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2014 10:14, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: Suggesting that we don't have GNOME's best interests at heart is just hurtful, and incorrect. Agreed. I've never once been told by anyone at Red Hat to do something that I didn't think was in the best interests of GNOME as a project. Richard -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Current state of Foundation finances
So, the FAQ has a call for donations, however I can't find how to donate anywhere, the closest thing I can find is making a PayPal donation to GIMP :-) 2014-04-13 15:40 GMT+02:00 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: David King amigad...@amigadave.com wrote: ... Don't we have reserves though? We should have 6 months of operating expenses as reserves. I should leave maybe this to Kat and other board members but I'm recently enough gone that I can answer - the Foundation has adequate reserves for GNOME's ordinary operations but not for OPW, and the program has ramped up really quickly while the Foundation is still very small. That is not correct according to: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ#What_is_the_problem.3F That section states The Foundation does not have any cash reserves right now. Blunt statements like this aren't very helpful, and they send a really bad message. It's easy to read this line and think the worst. Clearly we do have protected reserves - which we are preserving by the freeze on sponsorship repayments. The extra reserves that we usually have are expected to recover, and there is a plan in place to ensure this happens. Can we try and clarify this on the wiki please? Allan ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Current state of Foundation finances
Right! Thanks Emmanuele, We need to work out on the goolge juice so that how to donate to gnome foundation shows something useful in a search engine :-) 2014-04-13 17:40 GMT+02:00 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com: hi Alberto; you can donate to the GNOME Foundation through the Friends of GNOME program: https://www.gnome.org/friends/ which is also linked directly and prominently from the www.gnome.org landing page. ;-) ciao, Emmanuele. On 13 April 2014 16:31, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: So, the FAQ has a call for donations, however I can't find how to donate anywhere, the closest thing I can find is making a PayPal donation to GIMP :-) 2014-04-13 15:40 GMT+02:00 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: David King amigad...@amigadave.com wrote: ... Don't we have reserves though? We should have 6 months of operating expenses as reserves. I should leave maybe this to Kat and other board members but I'm recently enough gone that I can answer - the Foundation has adequate reserves for GNOME's ordinary operations but not for OPW, and the program has ramped up really quickly while the Foundation is still very small. That is not correct according to: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ#What_is_the_problem.3F That section states The Foundation does not have any cash reserves right now. Blunt statements like this aren't very helpful, and they send a really bad message. It's easy to read this line and think the worst. Clearly we do have protected reserves - which we are preserving by the freeze on sponsorship repayments. The extra reserves that we usually have are expected to recover, and there is a plan in place to ensure this happens. Can we try and clarify this on the wiki please? Allan ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3
Hello everyone,I would politely ask to end this thread, discussing the name of Arch linux on this list accomplishes nothing. 2014-04-12 14:02 GMT+02:00 Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] By the way, there also an Arch Hurd distro[1] as well as a Debian GNU/kFreeBSD version. That would be Arch GNU I suppose? The clearest name for it is Arch GNU/Hurd. That shows that it is nearly the same as Arch GNU/Linux, and also shows just what the small difference is. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)
As much as I would like to call this thread off and stop the off topic trend, I can't help but get this out of my chest: Richard, I think you should think about why GNU got itself in such situation, the GNU project failed to build a brand and communicate an appealing message, Linux built a great brand instead. You find that unfortunate for a collection of reasons. You worry about making sure that the use of software freedom is tied with the word spreading of its message, I think we all do in here or we wouldn't be in the GNOME Foundation, you're just not being very effective and wasting your valuable time in making sure people is afraid of typing the word Linux without the GNU/ prefix. You just don't build brands by correcting every single individual you stumble upon telling them how wrong they are when they speak about something. Beyond the realm of free software, in general that's considered almost rude, if anything it doesn't make you very likeable. Most of the time what you achieve is the exact opposite, people get tired of hearing about GNU. Perhaps this article[0] from Miguel will help you understand how counter-productive this is, even if you are right. This speech[1] from Phil Plait also raises some really good points about word-spreading in the context of science and scepticism, it is well worth the watch and a lot of the points are _very_ relevant to the free software movement. If the GNU project wants to have a brand/name/project people want to feel related to, maybe you should start thinking about making an effort to understand which type of projects you should be fostering and hosting and what kind of message you need to send. Certainly, if you started to talk about GNU in terms of positives instead of negatives you would gather more. systemd, CoreOS, LLVM, OpenStack, LibreOffice, GitLab... there are so many interesting problems and critical to software freedom being solved outside of the GNU umbrella these days. I do wonder, have you ever reached out to the leaders of these projects and asked them why they didn't consider to host their code and relate their projects to GNU more tightly? And if so, have you considered what GNU can do to make that happen in the future? You are a persuasive individual with a huge amount of influence in the tech and the open culture movement, it makes me sad to see you spending so much energy on calling for credit for what you did 20-15-10 years ago (and most of the time, preaching to the choir while doing it) instead of focusing on what you can do _today_ to keep building credit (not saying you're not doing anything, just saying that that's not the focus of your message). It is also sad to think that most people don't know of anything exciting or relevant that GNU is doing these days, that's the problem you ought to fix, s/Linux/GNU\/Linux/ is the least of our problems IMHO. I don't want to sound like I know exactly what you should be doing, nor do I want you to think that I am telling you what to do, that is for you to decide. But with all of this I wanted to invite you to question whether you are using your time, energy and the amount of attention you get in the best possible way towards software freedom. Best regards Richard. [0] http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Feb-17.html [1] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4524326/PhilPlait.ogg (Richard, I hope you appreciate I downloaded and re-encoded this video for you to enjoy it without the use of Flash nor requiring any patent encumbered codecs) 2014-04-04 13:40 GMT+02:00 Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] By calling it Linux, I'm also not recognizing the work of the Apache foundation. I'm also not recognising that systemd is basically running the whole show nowadays. I think those projects should be recognised, but I'm also sure I don't want to type GNU/Linux/Apache/systemd every time I refer to my OS. That argument is a FAQ. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#many. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New challenge
Hello Karen, I would like to thank you so much for your contributions and your passionate devotion for the project, you have been a great influence on the project, you should feel proud. I am sad to see you stepping down from a job I think you were doing so well. Hopefully the next ED will be as good an influence as Stormy and yourself have been. I hope you enjoy your new position and I really hope we will all see you around in all of the upcoming GUADECs! 2014-03-31 17:56 GMT+02:00 Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org: Hi Foundation members, I've posted some news on my blog. Working as the GNOME Foundation Executive Director has been an incredible experience for me and GNOME has made some impressive progress in my time at the Foundation. I'm proud of where the GNOME community is and think it's time for me to hand the reins over to someone new. Today I am announcing my new position as the Software Freedom Conservancy Executive Director. As many of you know, I have been volunteering with Conservancy for some time, having co-founded it when I was at SFLC. It is an important organization where I think I can make a difference, and GNOME is in good hands. The current board of directors continues to impress me with their commitment and varied skillset and I know they will continue to lead the organization well. There's a more detailed discussion of this change on my blog at gnomg.orgbut of course, I have no intention of leaving GNOME. I plan to announce my candidacy for the board when the call comes out, I'll stay on as pro bono counsel, and of course I'll continue volunteering in other ways. The Conservancy has also agreed to partner with GNOME, so that I can help to run the Outreach Program for Women with Marina. I'm excited for my new role and am glad I can continue to work with you in so many ways. karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Looking for another Planet GNOME maintainer
Hello everyone, I have been the Planet GNOME maintainer for a couple of years now, I have achieved a point at which I am not as responsive as I used to be for various reasons and that is somewhat not acceptable since the visibility of the contributors (specially GSOC/OPW) is being impacted by that lack of responsiveness. Therefore I would like to make a call for volunteers to take the leading maintainer role and allow me to become a background co-maintainer, the requisites are as follows: - You have to be a Foundation member, if you are reading this, that's probably the case. - You have to be ready to say NO when a blog is not good enough for PGO, remember, you work for the readers, not for the bloggers. - You have to know how to edit an .ini file. - If you have HTML/CSS skills that'd be a plus. - If you have gimp skills for hackergotchis, that'd be a plus too. - You have to enjoy working with Andrea Veri when problems arise on the server side (this doesn't happen often), if you don't like Andrea, you are a moron because Andrea is awesome to work with. This is not a time consuming task, and it doesn't require much technical skills beyond git. It is a great way to get an overview of all the GSoC/OPW work as you have to get to know their full names, faces and blogs all at once. Also, I will be helping at the beginning so you won't be on your own. If you are interested, please ping me off list. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
Hello everyone, I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub. I have more detailes about this in a blog post[0] I just published. The aim of this mirror is just to serve as a starting point for people wanting to have a public branch where they can publicize their work even if they don't have a GNOME account. It should also help maintainers keep track of the work people is doing out there with their code. There's no intention to support pull requests or to depend in any way in this service, this is just a nice-to-have to serve the GitHub's community and user base. The hooks are supposed to be non invasive and this should be completely transparent to the rest of our infrastructure, if you have any issues feel free to get in touch with me or Andrea! Let me know if you have any questions or requests, happy hacking! [0] http://aruiz.synaptia.net/siliconisland/2013/08/gnomes-official-github-mirror.html -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
Hello Christophe, A script to mirror in gitorious is more than welcome. Also, a free alternative is a bit of a red herring, there is a technical alternative, yes, but there is no alternative to the user base inside github. Also, if you think hordes of people will stop using github just because of our mirror being somewhere else, I think you're overestimating our ability to influence people. My intent is not promoting a free software git hosting service, my intent is to promote GNOME, hence my choice. 2013/8/15 Christophe Fergeau t...@gnome.org: 2013/8/15 Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org: Why did I choose github? Because that's where everybody is these days. Because we have nothing to lose by mirroring our repos there and we have a lot to gain. Promoting the non-free github while a free alternative exists (gitorious) is a big loss in my opinion. Christophe -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
Hello Alexandre, 2013/8/15 Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com: (Certainly the popularity of GitHub is not the reason you chose it I guess, just like the popularity of Windows doesn't make us focus on Windows support, and the popularity of Skype doesn't make us focus on As you can see in Alberto's answer, it is indeed just a question of popularity and I agree with you that this is a sad thing. We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more open source code and tools than the gitorious community. We accept money from Google for the GSoC's every year and I see no complaints. Everything is a matter on how you look at things really. As I mentioned before, if you want a gitorious mirror, feel free to start working on it, I fully support the idea, I'm just not interested in investing the time on it myself because I see no much value in it (on the other hand, I see the value on running our own instance). -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
A hook for github is more than welcome from my POV. 2013/8/15 James purplei...@gmail.com: On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:42 +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: Why did I choose github? Because that's where everybody is these days. Because we have nothing to lose by mirroring our repos there and we have a lot to gain. You're entitled to your opinion but you must be aware that some people disagree. Actually, is there a way for maintainers that don't want to have their module on Github to opt out of this mirroring process? While I too am surprised that GNOME didn't choose to mirror on gitorious first, I don't think it's inherently bad that they're mirroring on github as long as it's just used for mirroring. You can think of it as another way/place to spread Free Software. My question: can't we *also* mirror on gitorious? In addition, if git.gnome.org really dies, can at least have a trusted second copy ? Cheers! James ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
2013/8/15 Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more open source code and tools than the gitorious community. We accept money from Google for the GSoC's every year and I see no complaints. Everything is a matter on how you look at things really. I agree that everyone should be free to pick their fights. I agree that you you are free to pick yours and have them different from mine. Do you agree that mine can be different from yours? Absolutely. I really don't care much about my code being mirrored anywhere. At least gitorious would be ethically acceptable, so it wouldn't bother me, but I won't invest time in this. I see the value of this as a backup though, so if others want to work on this I say that's a good thing. Anyway this is really not what was the most important point to me in my previous email and you didn't answer the question I really cared about, so I'm asking again: is there a way for maintainers to opt out of the github mirroring? At the moment, no there isn't. Patches to the hook and help to make this happen are welcome. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
Hello Christian, 2013/8/15 Christian Persch c...@gnome.org: Hi; From the associated blog post: As per people concerned about the fact that github is a closed source service, I have a few things to highlight: this is just a mirror, we won't rely on them for any of our activities. Also, GitHub has contributed a great deal of their infrastructure code to the free software commons and they offer a free and very valuable service to anyone who has a free software project. I hope that this alleviates any concerns with regards to this topic. It doesn't. By using gibhub for our 'official' git mirror, we're still promoting the use of a proprietary web service. I do see the advantage of having a web space that allows anyone to put up a clone/fork of one of our repos, but why was github chosen instead of a truly Free (AGPL'd) web service like gitorious? Also, I'd like to question when and how it was decided to give this github mirror 'official' status? The fact that the hook is installed in the repos makes it official. It was my call, not GitHub's. So blame me. I see from the board meeting minutes of 9.7.2013 that the foundation is sending a trademark complaint letter to an academic institution because they're (completely legitimately IMO) abbreviating General NOAA Operational Modeling Environment with GNOME; but OTOH we're allowing a proprietary web service to use the trademark as the GNOME Official Github Mirror ‽ Github is not using the trademark, I am. Very concerned, Christian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
I'm open to uncall it official, that won't make it any less official though :-) 2013/8/15 Claudio Saavedra csaave...@gnome.org: On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:15 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote: 2013/8/15 Claudio Saavedra csaave...@gnome.org: On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote: Hello everyone, I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub. Out of curiosity and given the controversy started by your choice of github -- what makes this mirror official? The fact that I wrote the hook and it's now placed in our git infrastructure makes it official. The word official is meant to be used as a way to let people know that they can rely on it and that every push will be sent to the mirror. Well, it's great you took the time to work on this considering the purposes you've highlighted. No particular opinion on the choice itself. However, I think that calling it official it's a bit of a long-shot. I would expect at least the foundation board to have an opinion on the matter before any contributor calls official something that other contributors might have a problem with. Claudio ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
Hello Christian, 2013/8/15 Christian Persch c...@gnome.org: That's a distinction without difference. The point remains that the GNOME trademark is used to promote a proprietary web service. Coupled with the word Official this even constitutes a strong endorsement. It's the other way around, we are using the GitHub trademark to promote contributions to GNOME, GitHub will do just fine with or without us, the extend at which we are promoting them is very limited if almost non existant. We could remove the word official, sure, that won't make it any less official though, the hooks will still be within GNOME's infrastucture and I will be making sure they run fine. Just to clarify, this is NOT the official git mirror for GNOME, this is the official GNOME mirror for github users. I have no plans to push for maintainers or any GNOME related activity relying on this mirror, this is a nice to have for existing github users. I've received word that the board will consider this question, so let's leave it at that until then. Sure, but if you want to play the integrity game, how come you are not questioning our usage of Google services all across our infrastructure? The usage of twitter and Google+ as outreach tools? Should we also ban any company from joining the foundation if they have any privative product? Cause we are promoting them officially in our foundation's page, you know? Sorry if I sound harsh but I can't help thinking that this complains are extremely arbitrary and quite far from being coherent. If you care about sofware freedom, how come you are against of it being more widely available and placed in a service that would in effect attract more contributions? If you are afraid that by supporting this mirror we are going to make GitHub even more popular you should check GitHub stats on active users and code being hosted and compare it to GNOME at large, you would be surprised how extremely small we are in comparison. It is us who are taking advantage of them, not the other way around. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Boston Summit 2013?
I'd love to visit Portland! However we might want to take into account that doing it in the west coast will have an impact on the travel budget since a lot of people live in Europe and the east coast. 2013/4/26 Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com: Portland would be awesome in my book! :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:15 PM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Portland. Meg Ford On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Yes, I think I can take care of logistics if people are interested. If people want to take my suggestion seriously I will make a bid. There are a lot of places that provide hacker areas in Portland. Definitely downtown portland would be the right place for this. Some place centralized where we can also enjoy the city. sri On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 13:43 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Portland! It's just like Boston, but on the other side of the coast! :D People whine a lot there. It could either an opportunity or a problem. Where would it be? Would you take care of the logistic there? -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)
For what is worth, I don't support the idea of getting Richard out of the GNOME Foundation, nor the way that this idea is being discussed and nor the suggestion of moderating his posts by default. I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - François-Marie Arouet, aka Voltaire (1694-1778) 2013/1/10 Jeremy Allison j...@google.com: Yes. This seems to have gone beyond the realm of reasonableness and into a personal attack on another Foundation member. Please don't do this. I am only on this list due to the benefit of sitting on top of Google's pile of money, some of which we contribute to Gnome. I am too busy with my own Free Software project to be able to directly contribute to Gnome code. Will I be the next to be attacked for not being sufficiently useful to Gnome ? Jeremy. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn bk...@ebb.org wrote: Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein when I was renewed; it was done in private email with the Membership Committee. My GNOME contributions have indeed been eclectic, non-regular and, well, just plain different than the norm. For example, I've helped with licensing policy discussions and drafting, and I've done some work to defend GNOME 3 publicly against the Linus Torvalds attacks. Meanwhile, upon reading this sub-thread and considering my own contributions to the GNOME Foundation, I'm frankly left wondering if my membership would be next to be called into question on this thread. I imagine that I'd feel *really* uncomfortable and even personally offended if my own membership were being called into question publicly on this list! Thus, IMO, it frankly seems unnecessarily aggressive and downright inappropriate to question someone's fitness for membership on the public list like this, and I hope that folks will show restraint and raise any such issues privately among the Membership Committee and the member in question. -- bkuhn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Reaching out to Amazon for credit?
Richard, I would appreciate if you didn't try to use every single opportunity that you had to speak negatively about other projects, specially projects that actually help to get free software to a wider audience, even if it's not in your puristic view. I understand that you have concerns about the newest additions to Unity in terms of purchases, but Ubuntu is a wide free software project with different flavors (most of which do not include Unity) and with a wide variety of contributors, some work for Canonical, some don't, there's a lot of people within the Ubuntu community that may even agree with you on this. But it is unfair to diminish every single Ubuntu contributor and every positive aspect of the distro just because you don't like a particular decision or aspect, which happens to be optional by the way. But it's not your opinion about Ubuntu what concerns me. I disagree with the way the FSF and yourself as a public figure promote its values and goals (mostly through negative anti-something campaigns), and quite frankly I see it more focused on asking people to remove Windows and Mac OS X than giving them reasons to install free software on its own merits. It gives people the notion that we (free software advocates) are a bunch of grumpy people who all they are trying to do is discredit Microsoft and Apple and convince people that saying just Linux and not GNU/Linux is wrong instead of focusing on positive campaigns and encourage developers to turn the free software ecosystem into a competitive option for users. Something, by the way, projects such as GNOME or Ubuntu are managing to do, and yet I don't see you putting any energy into praising and thanking the efforts of those who push towards that goal, I find that unfair, and counterproductive for you, the FSF and free software in general. And even though I think these things I don't go around FSF's and GNU's mailing list constantly asking people to quit the project because in my subjective opinion the project is pretty bad and I certainly don't go around trying to convince people to leave. You know why? Because even if I disagree with some things, you also do a bunch of good things and for good reasons. Life is not black and white. Richard, please, with all due respect and admiration, try to find the appropriate forums and discussions to spread awareness of your (on the other hand legitimate) concerns. Disclaimer: I work for Canonical, however all of my opinions and views expressed in this email are solely my own and they do not represent the official position of my employer. 2013/1/6 Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org: I wouldn't discard rackspace, they have been quite keen to sponsor Ubuntu in many ways. Ubuntu is pretty bad (see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html) but we should not hold that against Rackspace. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Reaching out to Amazon for credit?
I wouldn't discard rackspace, they have been quite keen to sponsor Ubuntu in many ways. Plus they support and fund OpenStack instead of their proprietary AWS cloud platform. 2013/1/5 Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org On Fri, January 4, 2013 7:59 pm, Colin Walters wrote: Hi, From: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2013/01/bits_from_the_DPL_for_December_2012/ Debian has an offer from Amazon to get $8,000 USD of credit - any chance we could do the same? Thanks for pointing this out! I'll talk to zack and see how it's best for us to reach out to Amazon :) karen With an estimated $200/month I could easily maintain multiple full time autobuilders (gnome-ostree, mingw32-cross builds of GTK+, jhbuild, etc.) Just one heavy utilization Large reserved instance on a 1 year term is $62/month. There'd only be some small bits to figure out when deploying builders on AWS - mainly we'd need a way to have the build servers authenticate against the GNOME servers (likely just publishing a list of authorized public ssh keys via HTTPS). ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME on Github - Tomboy
The URL is: http://github.com/GNOME And I am the owner, I've been working with the github guys to try to come up with self-hosted mirror that does not need me or anyone running scripts, it was meant to be a surprise but the github guys have been really busy lately. 2013/1/1 Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net On Tue, 2013-01-01 at 16:27 -0600, Jared Jennings wrote: Today I found that GNOME is an organization on Github with several repp's. What's the URL? andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
2012/11/28 Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 17:22 -0800, Jeremy Allison wrote: I'm really not worried about programmers desktops - GNU/Linux is so widespread in the technical fields that this is a battle we are already doing well in (not as well as I'd like, I'm still massively irritated by how many of my programmer colleagues think it's acceptable to use a freedom-hurting Apple laptop/desktop, but I digress). As we're in the nitpick thread, you're putting people running any software on Apple hardware in the same basket. My Mac runs Linux, always has. It's a shame I can't get custom designed hardware designed as easily as I can software. Not to mention that any hardware you buy is more freedom-hurting than Apple itself in the software camp, I can name a bunch of open source projects where Apple is a key contributor if not the founder, whereas NVIDIA, Imagination, AMD, Broadcom and friends are screwing the ecosystem with regards to GPU and Wireless drivers. Is people using WebKit, LLVM or any of the contributions to GCC that they have done freedom-hurters? I ask this because I think using their software should be as bad as using their hardware, right? Let's not get fanatic in here please, if people use Mac OS X, then that's our failure, pointing the finger at them and calling them freedom haters is not going to help the software freedom cause. Instead, we should ask ourselves why is it that GNOME is not good enough for them. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: interesting numbers from the newcomer survey and why you should take part
Hey Marina, I didn't need the numbers to know that GOPW was a total success but it is encouraging to see them. Congrats to Marina and everybody who has supported the program, you guys rock and I'm extremely proud to be part of this community. 2012/11/26 Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com Hi all, Kevin Carillo shared with me some interesting numbers about the participants of the newcomer experience survey so far. Total number of participants: 276 Total number of female participants: 32 Number of GNOME participants: 37 Number of female GNOME participants: 21 Number of male GNOME participants: 16 Number of female GNOME participants who indicated that they took part in an official mentoring program in the GNOME community: 15 Number of male GNOME participants who indicated that they took part in an official mentoring program in the GNOME community: 4 These numbers of course show that the Outreach Program for Women has been very effective in getting women involved in the GNOME community and a program like it is essential to increasing the number of women in FOSS. The current numbers indicate that there are 56.8% women among GNOME newcomers and 4.6% women among newcomers in other organizations. No other organization has an outlier number of women participants like GNOME, with 1-3 women respondents from 7 other participating organizations. In the last two years (since we started running Outreach Program for Women internships), GNOME had 45 female interns and 40 male interns (with 4 women and 4 men participating in an internship twice). I think there are three possible explanations for why there is a big gap in the number of female and male respondents who said they took part in an official mentoring program in the GNOME community: 1) Karen and I were more effective in getting the women involved in GNOME to respond. 2) Interns who participated in GSoC were less likely to interpret it as an official mentoring program in the GNOME community. 3) Women interns stay more involved in GNOME than men interns. My guess is that it is predominantly reason 1 above, so this e-mail is my effort to reach out to more men who participated in GSoC or got involved in GNOME in the last three years in some different way. Please fill out the survey now! The survey closes in the end of the month (this Friday). https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=65151lang=en You can find more survey statistics on Kevin's blog: http://kevincarillo.org The reason everyone who qualifies should take part in the survey is that both people inside and outside the GNOME community will look to it for information on who the newcomers to the GNOME community in the last three years were and what was their experience like. We would like this information to be as accurate as possible! Thanks, Marina ___ gnome-soc-list mailing list gnome-soc-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-soc-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME Developer Experience Hackfest
Hello everyone, I've had a few conversations with Allan Day about the developer story in GNOME and we came up with the conclusion that there are many areas where this needs work to keep GNOME attractive as an application developer platform. Hence, I'd like to propose a developer experience hackfest at some point in 2013. This is a call to check who would be up for such hackfest. My initial suggestion is to focus on three main lines of work: * Tooling (Anjuta, Monodevelop, Glade, application bundling, intltool, gtk-doc, autofoo and friends...) * Developer docs and mindshare (unified online/offline API reference UI, app developer community building...) * Further platform needs (check for missing APIs or improvements to full fill requirements for modern applications, e.g. simple HTTP access, a collection API for GObject, better MVC widgets based on such collection API) People/skills I'd like to see: - People from the design team. - Anjuta, Glade, devhelp, nemiver and Monodevelop people. - People working on application bundles, introspection and bindings. - People willing to help on the documentation tooling. - Web hackers (frontend/backend) So if you are interested in attending (no dates venue yet, I'll try to arrange a venue/date that fits well with the attendee list), please put your name here: https://live.gnome.org/DeveloperExperience/Hackfest2013#preview If you require sponsorship, please state so in the comments section. I first need a list of people before I can request sponsorship to the foundation. If there's anyone willing to provide a venue and help with the organization, please get in touch with me! Any other input, is welcome. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Og Maciel left the GNOME Foundation Membership Committee
Great news! Both members are great assets to our community, let's hope we don't take too much time out of their coding and design :-) 2012/11/16 Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org 2012/10/31 Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org Since many details are still being discussed, I'll announce the new members as soon as the trial period will end, thanks again for volunteering! The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is welcoming two new members: - Federico Mena Quintero - Fabiana Pedreira Simoes A long time contributor like Federico and a relatively new contributor like Fabiana will enhance the Committee's duties and its views, I would like to thank them for the willingness to help out our amazing community! -- Cheers, Andrea Debian Developer, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Sysadmin, GNOME Foundation Membership Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Looking for community managers or enthusiasts!
I think that overall, what GNU could do to change it is figure out what are the LLVM guys doing to be such an attractive compiler platform compared to GCC. LLVM is a compiler platform, it gives you many APIs and reusable components that you can use at different levels, for example, clang, a C compiler built on top of LLVM, allows you to do static analysis of code, quite handy if you are developing an IDE or if you want continuous integration. In the graphics stack it is used to compile GLSL, OpenCL and other GPU/parallel languages down to the GPU native language. From my point of view, if GCC is not providing what LLVM does, I can't see how using code that has a BSD-like license (and effectively becomes (L)GPL once linked to our stuff) does any harm to the values that we spread as a project. While we are in the topic of keeping GNU relevant, I think a major effort to modernize autotools and other developer tools, document them properly, having a nice UI and make it more developer friendly is long overdue. In general I think that the core of GNU still keeps a 90s mindset. When you compare the developer experience of the GNU toolchain these days to, for example, .NET, iOS/XCode, Java/Eclipse... the dissapointment is huge. If we don't keep GNU attractive to developers people will eventually stop writing free software. (And yes, for the wrong reasons, but sometimes being free as in beer is not enough). I hope you find my input constructive. 2012/11/17 Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org Yes, the Mesa 3D project uses LLVM to dynamically generate machine code. As I understand it, one of the driving factors in the technology choice here was that the compiler is structured as a set of libraries with an API - in contrast to how GCC was historically. So in GNOME, we depend on both compilers now. This design decision suggests that GNOME developers are focusing solely on their specific goals, and not taking account the advance and success of the GNU system as a whole. If that is the case, what can we do to change it? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Looking for community managers or enthusiasts!
2012/11/15 Benjamin Otte o...@gnome.org The general response I got to that post was either no response at all, talking behind my back about what what a bad person I am (at least that's what others told me) or - and this was the most concerning response for me - You shouldn't say things like that. And that response came multiple times from very different GNOME contributors. So the lesson I learned back then is that rule number 1 about the GNOME project is that you don't talk about the GNOME project. If you ask me, I think you should have thought twice on whether what you were writing was accurate, whether those opinions came out of actual facts, or whether you were just somewhat disappointed and decided to rant as an emotional outlet. You have to admit that when someone is a somewhat relevant member of the community, saying such things implies certain responsibility and sends certain message to the outer public. I joined GNOME in 2003, and it is very easy to see how thriving this community is right now, we have more contributors than ever, we have more focus than ever. The one thing that was somewhat true is that we have less corporate support, back then IBM, Sun, Novell, Nokia and many other people were looking at GNOME as a platform to build products from. These days that's not the case. Market has changed, and sure, getting a job where you can do GNOMEy stuff is hard. But let's be honest, this is, by no means, any worse than the state of affairs in 2001, we've been in a way worse situation before, with way less contributors and way less accumulated knowledge and experience. And we moved forward. I think that some of the old farts like us are somewhat discouraged that we are not in the place where we thought GNOME would be by now (10x10 or GNOME based phones, or something like that), and it is easy to lose enthusiasm over time. The reason why a lot of people were upset about that blog post is that it could take enthusiasm away from newcomers or people considering joining to help us. Now let's check the facts, look at what we've accomplished in the latest couple of years. 3.0 was a major effort, GSettings, Gtk+, GNOME Shell, PyGObject... I am humbled by the ammount of cordination and shared vision that it takes to come up with all of what we've done. Sure, it's not perfect, sure we have many challenges, but it's hard to look at the hard facts and not be amazed. Yup, some of the old farts might be tired, people evolve, change, and want to do new things, but it is our responsibility to encourage the newer generations. If the message we send to the new contributors is Don't bother, this is a dead end, who is going to want to join? Would you imagine Linus Torlvads saying how awful the Linux kernel project is just because he is tired of it or somewhat discouraged? TL,DR; There's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion, none is asking you to stop doing that, but what we say have consequences, and being a relevant member of the community as yourself, poses some responsibility in what you say. Plus, we have many reasons to celebrate and enjoy GNOME as a project and a community these days. Fwiw, I still don't think Emily should characterize me as break[ing] API’s at random and purposefully ensuring that [..] themes cease to work, but I think she has all the right in the world to do that as long as I get the right to use my choice words to answer to that. I'd rather have her calling me that than nobody saying anything at all. I can understand that their intentions are noble, but the last time someone took their chances we ended up with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME#cite_note-6 Fun fact: I didn't know I ended up on Wikipedia (Someone should file a bug against Wordpress' pingback feature). Isn't it discouraged to cite blogs on Wikipedia? [1] :) Benjamin 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blogs_as_sources ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: A few observations about GIMPNET
2012/10/4 Bryen M Yunashko susero...@bryen.com On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 17:57 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: I've been a long time GIMPNET user and tried to propose multiple ideas without success and without receiving a good rationale about why things couldn't change. I've seen many people using home-hosted bots to administer channels, I've seen people having to join #opers multiple times to request an OP status or a simple channel update and I feel it's time to find a solution. I agree with the frustrations you list with GIMPNET usage. But, I'm not sure I agree with the home-hosted bots rationale. While a number of bots are there as a workaround for some of the limitations in GIMPNET, home-hosted bots will always be present, even on Freenode. What's currently missing on the GIMPNET network: - services. (there's no nickserv, chanserv at all) - TOR is banned. (there is no way to hide your hostmask if you run your IRC client from your home connection) - SSL is not enabled, so all conversations happen in plain text. (even private ones, yeah) - even having a bot administering a channel, setting up its access list is hard with a dynamic IP and DNS. (you can use a wildcard, true, but that will result in someone spoofing your identity if he just wants to) So, the question is, should we migrate away to another network? (like Freenode) or is there a way for GIMPNET to improve its services? I'd rather see GIMPNET improve its features than go over to Freenode. Reason being, GNOME is a large project and it is much easier to see what interesting channels there are in relation to GNOME than to try to scan through the list of Freenode channels because just about every channel in GIMPNET is GNOME-related (or is presumed to be.) Name clashes are a minor point when you compare it to the isolation issue that we have with the rest of the community. ALL of the open source community that does IRC is on Freenode, actually some GNOME realted sutff like gstreamer prefers to stay on Freenode, I don't think there are many name clashes with the current active channels and those present in Freenode, plus most of us already hang out in Freenode. I'd give a huge +1000 if we moved over to Freenode. Bryen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: A few observations about GIMPNET
join #gstreamer, or #freedesktop or #pulseaudio or #nm and check for yourself, indeed ALL was an exageration, but it's not hard to figure out that a huge majority of us have a freenode network tab on our IRC client 2012/10/4 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com hi; On 4 October 2012 17:34, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: Name clashes are a minor point when you compare it to the isolation issue that we have with the rest of the community. ALL of the open source community that does IRC is on Freenode [citation needed][original research][whom?]. ciao, Emmanuele (who's on irc.mozilla.org, and a bunch of other servers as well) -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Maybe we can just forward peoeple to GNOME Memes through the official GNOME twitter account and/or G+... I think this needs a bit more discussion and thought. However, it seems to me that there is a broad consensus that one way or the other Commit Digests should go in, am I right? 2012/7/29 Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com hi; On 29 July 2012 11:45, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: I'm of the opinion pretty much covers my answer :) The point of deferring is that I would defer. If the marketing team thinks that GNOME memes is interesting, then so be it. I don't see it being kept up long term. I agree; submissions would keep GNOME Memes alive, but I'm not so sure it should be added to PGO; it's easy enough to get to, and I like the fact that it's slightly on the outside of the usual venues of information. ciao, Emmanuele. -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Brian Cameron - Stepping down from the board
I want to thank him as well, your dedication is and will always be appreciated. 2012/5/23 Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org On 05/22/2012 09:53 PM, Luis Villa wrote: Brian- Thanks for your selfless service the past few years. Your dedication, including to some of the board's most thankless tasks, has been admirable and will be very difficult for the board to replace. I want to second that. Having been on the board for a few terms with Brian, I too fully appreciate all the leadership he has shown over the years lifting where no one else wanted to. behdad Luis On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com wrote: Friends in the GNOME community: After serving 4 terms on The GNOME Foundation board of directors, I will be stepping down at the end of this term. I would like to thank everyone in the community who has supported me and allowed me to represent them on this board. It has been a profoundly rewarding and truly inspirational experience to help The GNOME Foundation and GNOME community to grow. The years that I have served on the board have been exciting and productive times. I am proud to have served as president and secretary; to have been involved with the development, release and celebration surrounding the GNOME 3 release; and to have helped with the development of successful GNOME programs like the Outreach Program for Women. In my time on the board, I have witnessed so much growth within the community. Since then, the GNOME Foundation has hired two executive directors, started having successful annual summits in Asia, and has more than doubled the number of hackfests held each year. Just to mention a few highlights. My stepping down should not be viewed as me becoming less involved with GNOME. I plan to continue working on GNOME for Oracle and expect that I will continue helping the GNOME Foundation and community in many ways. I mostly feel that it is just time for me to step down to reclaim some of my life back. 4.5 years (including one 18-month term in 2008-2009) is a long time to serve on The GNOME Foundation board of directors. I believe that only Jonathan Blandford served as a board member for a longer period of time (5 years). With the two most senior board members (Germán and myself) both stepping down at the end of this term, it is especially important for passionate people to serve the community. So I again encourage people who are considering to run for the board to step forward. It is a great way to increase one's involvement with GNOME and free software and to help make sure that GNOME continues to rock. Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
I'm going to call for an end of thread, If people want to sort out what their personal points of view on what GNOME should be, I would suggest them to follow up that discussion in private and not in this list anymore. If people want to contribute to a strategic roadmap for GNOME, I think we all would welcome anyone coming up with a compelling set of goals and start working on action items to execute that vision and do so in the respective channels (marketing list to name an example). Talking forever about what GNOME should be and expecting for someone to follow that direction is not going to effectively change anything. Thank you. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
2010/2/25 Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org: A. Try to make GNOME better in practical ways too. B. Teach him to appreciate freedom, so he will recognize that the proprietary programs are inherently inferior ethically. It makes sense to work on both of them in parallel, according to the opportunities that occur. This is where the open source discourse is weak. It fails to do B. Hi Richard, I appreciate your contribution to the discussion. however, point B is pretty much like saying that instead of coming up with Copyleft you should have run for congress and change the whole Intelectual Property policy for the US. Fact is that some people have no choice, they study at university or they work on a company where they cannot chose their platform. I worked part time for 2 years on pushing a fully open source stack in the university of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, and without a migration path (that is, open source ports of apps and platforms to Windows and equivalents to some needed components such as AutoCad), it was pretty much imposible to execute. We did plan for education on the opensource philosophy and tools (in fact right now they're running professional capacitation for the open source stack), but it is still hard without some technicals. Sometimes you need bridges (or hacks) like the one you did with the Copyright, to approach your goals effectively and without harming the image of the movement you're trying to promote (if we deploy opensource, and turns out as a hassle for everyone, even if they understand the ethics behind the move, the reputation of the movement is way harmed). Computers are meant to solve people's problem, they have no mean for themselves except for people like us, and I'd like to think that the opensource community does not only cares about the license of their source code, but the usefulness, ease of use and the universal access that it can potentially bring. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
Hi all, I think that this sort of discussion belongs to the gtk-devel mailing list, besides, all of this nice to have have been discussed in the past but none has actually stepped up to write actual code (as Martyn says, everytime you start writting something, you hit the legacy wall). The point that I'm trying to make is that, unless somebody steps up to implement some of those advancements and seriously push them for inclusion, this discussion is not really going anywhere. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
2010/2/24 Juanjo Marin juanj.ma...@juntadeandalucia.es: Possibly Alberto is right. Anyway, the original message of this thread is that GNOME doesn't have long term goals. It seems that the improvement of GTK attact a lot of attention.(BTW, Alberto's presentation on GUADEC about this is _REALLY_ a good starting point [1], it is worth to revisit it). Thanks a lot Juanjo, there's a point I wanted to make with that talk, which is, there's _A LOT_ that can be achieved and improved about the situation without committing a single line of code to Gtk+. * Modernize and consolidate the documentation (focused on empowering the developer to achieve interesting tasks rather than explaining the details of the API) * Improving the development experience. * Releasing installers for the more stable set of bindings on the non free platforms * Integration with other IDEs (Eclipse, XCode, VisualStudio) The real problem we have is a shortage of developers, the only way to solve that long term is creating mindshare, and we have to be aggressive and radical in our thinking if we want to achieve more with less. In general, attracting the huge developer community out of the Linux desktop landscape and attracting them to our platform, and eventually to the whole free stack/OS. [1] http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2008/Slides?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=marketing_gtk_Guadec2008.pdf -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
2010/2/23 Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org: Hi, Martyn Russell wrote: On 22/02/10 19:27, Dave Neary wrote: Have we lost the mobile battle? It certainly appears that GTK+ has lost the mobile battle, I don't think that's so true. Just because Nokia decided to buy Trolltech because it could be bought, doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees. Objectively, the number of companies interested in GTK+ on mobile appears to be decreasing from the very promising situation we found ourselves in 5 to 6 years ago. I'd like to point out something though. As promising as the situation was, I don't think they seriously invested in the toolkit itself AFACT, during all this years RedHat (through mclasen and alexl) and individual contributors on their spare time have been the only ones doing a serious investment in the toolkit. There was never a full time maintainer dedicated to make sure that GTK+ was moving forward to support those mobile platforms (and to help mclasen on the hard task of reviewing patches and making releases for both GLib and GTK+). To be honest, I don't think that's the kind of interest we expected. I often hear complaints about how the RedHat guys turn down patches from other contributors (mostly from members of companies competing with them), but I yet have to see any of those companies investing some of their resources on helping to review all those pending patches waiting in bugzilla and making sure they have a way to get their own patches upstream. My bottom line is that I don't think that in reality the MeeGo news are going to make any difference to GTK+ (I do wonder, however, what are Intel plans on Clutter long term wise) -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
2010/2/22 Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org: Have we lost the mobile battle? It certainly appears that GTK+ has lost the mobile battle, but all of the hard work that GNOME hackers have put into the middleware platform and components like Gstreamer, Dbus, Telepathy and Pulseaudio are now cornerstone parts of both the free desktop and the mobile platform. I would agree that the GNOME GUI platform is not exciting application developers right now, and that's something we need to fix. And it's not an easy problem. I'd like to add a bit of an optimistic overtone here. GTK+ might not be exciting for mobile developers, but I don't think none of the companies supporting it were seriously pushing the toolkit into that direction rather than monkey patching it to make it work well enough. So I'd say that GTK+ has gained very little in that regard as all this time it's mostly RedHat supporting the maintainership weight of the stack and the ones pushing it forward as a company over the years. However, GTK+ is still the de-facto toolkit for the X.org platform, people aiming to write apps that integrates well with the Linux desktop, choose GTK+, sure it has many issues, but it has also many great things and a rock solid code base. In a broader sense, I think that maybe we should put back our focus on promoting the stack as what it really has been and still is for most people, a platform to create great desktop applications for the Linux platform. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
2010/2/22 Lefty (石鏡 ) le...@shugendo.org: Well, we've certainly managed to place GNOME at an enormous disadvantage with respect to an alternative, quasi-open-source platform, like Android, largely through a couple of years' worth of inattention and, more importantly, an ongoing failure to engage with the commercial mobile ecosystem in any positive and meaningful way. Hopefully, some efforts might be made to correct that in the coming year; whether or not that actually happens, or will be effective if it does, is very much up in the air in my mind. Do you have any examples of the GNOME community being negative or hostile towards the commercial mobile ecosystem? The viewpoint held in some quarters which is directly hostile to such engagement has been a negative factor for us in the past and continues to be one. Google, for all that its Android efforts have been competitive to GNOME's interests in the mobile space, has done a much better job here. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Resigning from the Board
2010/2/17 Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org: Hi all, I've been thinking a lot about what to do about my participation on GNOME Foundation's Board of Directors in face of the fact that my wife and I are expecting our first baby in February. After careful consideration, I decided to resign. I want to be fully focused on my family (especially in the first few months) without feeling bad for doing Board stuff while I could be with my family or not doing Board stuff while I'm spending time with my family. Lucas, that is a wonderful reason to resign the board! Congrats! I'd like to thank you for your years of dedications to the board and I hope we can find someone as cheerful and dedicated as you are. Best of luck with your new adventure! -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Resigning from the Board
2010/2/17 Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org: On 02/17/2010 12:36 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: I hope we can find someone as cheerful and dedicated as you are. Alberto! Looks like you didn't read his email completely. We already found someone as cheerful and dedicated: Jorge Castro :). My bad! More good news then! Jorge, I bet you'll rock on behdad -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New member introduction
2010/2/12 Joanmarie Diggs joanmarie.di...@gmail.com: The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is proud to present the new members: - Bradley M. Kuhn - Holger Berndt - Jim Evins - Joanmarie Diggs - Juan Jose Marin Martinez Hi! I'm the second-to-last one. :-) My DayJob is as an assistive technology specialist with the Carroll Center for the Blind. Nights, evenings, and weekends for the past almost four years, I've been one of the developers of the Orca screen reader. I've also been dabbling in WebKitGtk accessibility lately. :-) Thanks a lot for your wonderful and valuable work! Welcome to the foundation! I'm thrilled to be a Foundation member, and really appreciate the welcome messages I've received from those of you I already know. I look forward to getting to know the rest of you. Take care. --joanie ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?
2010/1/26 Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com: Hi Dave, Hi Andy, If GUADEC and Akademy colocate again in 2011, do you think that might have an impact on the GHM? It would probably make it more awesome! There are a number of KDE-using GNU folk. There are GNOME people too, of course :) That doesn't really answers the question :P Dave is worried about any overhead that co-locating this could have with the organizing committee and the volunteers, what would GNU need in terms of resources, space, inftrastructure? how big could it be? That sort of stuff :-) Regards, Andy -- http://wingolog.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
I don't have my token
Hello there, I don't have my token to vote for the foundation elections :( -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: What do you think of the foundation?
2009/5/29 Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org: On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 10:45 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: So I'm hearing Dave say we need more policing and Philip saying everything is ok. What do others think? That's basically indeed what I'm saying: Let's just do normal. There's nothing fundamentally going wrong. Why are we trying to fix a bug that isn't a bug? Does the community think everything is ok? Or if not, do they want to self police or delegate taking action to the board? (Or both.) Philip, I agree that your blog is yours, but supposedly you write blog posts, emails, IRC chats to tell people something. About the blogs and the planet I propose to adopt what planet.maemo does: each and every blog post is elected for inclusion on the planet. But indeed, don't ask people to change their blogs. So if you are offending them and responding angrily, are you communicating what you want to be saying to them? For example, if you think people are too politically correct, the way to persuade them of that is probably not to swear at them. People who disagree sometimes become passionate. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with passionately defending one's opinion. Sure I agree that you should be careful if you want to persuade, too. The debate Dave and I have is whether there's a necessity of a higher authority that decides on what we can and can't say. That's quite excessive in my opinion. And potentially dangerous for our fragile community. There's a fundamental issue here, this is not about what individuals in the community can or can't say, is about when using GNOME's communication channels to say whatever people's feel like can be harming for the community and upset them to a point where some may even stop contributing (or stopping them from starting). People gets loads of audience on their blogs when they are aggregated on P.G.O., that gives you a lot of power. And a great power comes with great responsibility. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Questions for the candidates - let's start the discussion(s)
To be honest... even reading all the answers is a hard task... :/ Next year let's stick to 10. 2009/5/29 Brian Cameron brian.came...@sun.com: The final list of candidates for the upcoming elections is available here: http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/2009/candidates.html We will now start a series of discussions amongst the candidates. Thanks to all the people who participated by submitting their questions! This year's list of questions is a bit longer than in previous elections. However, with a longer list, we hope to cover all of the questions our community has in just one thread and one list. We ask you to answer as many as you can. Without further ado, let's begin the discussion. Thanks for doing this. My answers to these questions can be found on my Wiki candidate page: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Elections2009/BrianCameron I think it is easier to maintain the answers there if that is okay. Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Members
2009/4/30 Bruno Boaventura bruno...@gnome.org: Hello everybody! The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is proud to present the new members: - Willie Walker Welcome aboard Willie! -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for projects for grants
2009/4/1 Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org: Hi, As far as I know, grants are typically given for projects that are beneficial to the general public but not immediately profit-makers. You can target an area where there's money - like accessibility, research in the internet, open government/citizenship and perhaps education. I'm short on ideas for many of these fields, but perhaps there are legs to exploring them? Some ideas I have are: Accessibility: * Perfect a free software eye tracker program like OpenGazer (needs a *lot* of work to be usable stable) * Gestual commands - this existed when I was a young lad, you drew N with your mouse on the screen this opened netscape. Would be very useful in touch-screen environments. * Open voices - doing quality synthetic voices is a lot of work, major research project lots of time in a sound studio with specialised actors. Funding one (or several) in various languages would be useful. GtkWebkit a11y support would also be nice. Education: Not sure what we could target as a project here... probably something concrete like a development project in partnership with a deployment, perhaps with an existing big GNOME user like Extremadura? Actually improving the state for big deployment system administration, lockdown settings, and other stuff. For this, we can get in touch with Juanje Ojeda. He's a foundation member and he's working on the Guadalinex project in the Andalusian local government (a Linux distro for education, the biggest Linux deployment at Spain). He probably has a wide grasp on what's missing and what can be improved in GNOME for the educational sector. I'm pretty sure he's on the list, but I've put him in CC just in case. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Hardware bought during Barcelona's Guadec in Fluendo's premises
2008/11/7 Julien Moutte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Dave and Behdad, It took some time but I finally have the machines specs : Mobo: ASUS K8NF4G-SATA2 Proc: AMD K8 Mem: KINGSTON DDR400 1GB Graphics: Integrated HDD: Maxtor 80GB There are 4 of them. They are all shutdown in a corner now. Don't know if that an interesting enough hardware spec to send them somewhere. I'm pretty sure we could give some use of these machines for the next Guadec/Akademy. Is there any chance that we can send them to the local grop in Gran Canaria in case none find a better use of them? Let us know your feedback. Best regards, Julien Moutte, FLUENDO S.A. Dave Neary wrote: Hello Julien, Did you ever get a reply to this? Julien Moutte wrote: They are made available to do some buildbots for some projects (elisa, flumotion) but the Gnome buildbot they were intended to run is not really operational from my understanding. I was under the impression that they were being used for the GNOME buildbot, and being maintained by some of the guys from Igalia, and Fred Peters; but I might be wrong? If I am wrong, and they are unused, then I think your idea of shipping them to someone who could do something useful with them is a good one. Cheers, Dave. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME and KDE to Co-locate Flagship Conferences on Gran Canaria in 2009
2008/7/16 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The local organisers are covering costs up to €250,000, about the same as our entire GUADEC budget for the last two years combined, and this coverse the site + 40% subsidy of sightseeing + invited journalists, VIPs and perhaps organisational staff (to be determined). What we have told to the local government is that this is going to work as the olimpic games, we set the rules and the spirit of the event. If there's something in the proposal that we don't like, nothing is written into stone yet. As a side note, the secretary of tourism and innovation was a teacher of computer science on the university, so we won't have too much problems to explain him what the culture and the values that we want to push into the event, we just have to make sure that we tell them what we want. We have regular meetings with them since a few months already, so there's a good communication channel between us. In the conference center, lunch is €24.50 per person and coffee breaks cost €7 per person per coffee break (that better be some good coffee) There are plenty of restaurants along the coast and a shopping center right in front of the venue. Attendees won't have to go too far to get a much cheaper price (6€-8€ menus). We also have the possibility of doing beach volley, football or basketball activities, there is equipment and infrastructure to do this all around the beach besides the venue, although we don't know what do we need to book them yet, anyway, it's not like people will be stuck in an expensive venue without any other options. They talk about going through a travel agency and getting group rates in hotels. I would *really* like to see GUADEC go back to block-booking beds in a hostel or campsite (as we did in Stuttgart Kristiansand), and recommending hotels for those who desire them. We are one year ahead, so we are on time to do whatever we want, I wasn't at Sttugart or Kristiansand, so if you could be more specific on what the experience was and what we need, I can start requesting the information on which options do we have to repeat the experience. All in all, it smells to me like we will need to manage expectations of the organising group very aggressively, starting now, to avoid a cultural disconnect. And that means being able to clearly communication our expectations - I know we have had problems doing this in the past (thinking in particular about Barcelona). I think the best way to do that is to have someone representing the two communities who understands those expectations representing us to the Gran Canaria local government. There are already two representatives for each community, there's Agustin de Benito and Richard Dale from the KDE community (who was the one who presented the idea of doing Akademy to of the local government of Gran Canaria) and Luis de Bethencourt (maintainer of Ubuntu Studio) and myself. We'll push as hard as we can to keep the spirit of the even, just let us know what we should do. We have already told to the government that this kind of works like the olimpics, the comitee sets the rules and the spirit of the event, the host puts the infrastructure. So far the government has been pretty open to all of our requirements so I don't see any problems on getting whatever we want as long as we ask for it on time. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME and KDE to Co-locate Flagship Conferences on Gran Canaria in 2009
2008/7/15 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Paul, To my knowledge, Akademy runs at a loss, or no better than break-even, while GUADEC has allowed the GNOME Foundation to propose hackfests, fund speakers travelling to conferences, pay for the Boston Summit, fund the GNOME Outreach Programme: Accessibility, and more. Something that I've been thinking about is sponsor affiliation, something that I discussed with some Igalia folks, the idea is to let sponsors decide to which organization do they want to affiliate so that besides the common budget, all the remaining money goes to the one they affiliate with or both (in case they want to choose both). I don't think this is going to be an issue with the biggest sponsors, but some of the smallest ones might want to just support the project/organization that they have interest for. Other than that, I think that we should share as much as we can as long as we keep the identity of each event separated. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
