paste special ...text option

[Peter Rule]

Hello framers,

Does anyone know of a way to default text as the first option on the 
paste-special option box.  text is currently third in the list and I would 
love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Pete
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Re: Columns in middle of chapter

[Daniel Emory]

--- Lisa M. Balbes, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My client wants one section of a particular chapter
 to be in columns, instead of the full page width
text of the rest of the chapter.  This 
 section will extend over several pages, and will
 probably have things added and deleted as we
continue editing the document.  They want the 
 columns to flow like a newspaper - filling both
 columns on one page before moving on to the next.

There is a viable way to do this in FrameMaker. 

First, your Left and Right master pages must both be
converted from a single-column page layout to a
2-column layout.

Second, to make it work, you must have two sets of
paragraph formats which at differ in a single setting
within the Pagination pane of the Paragraph Designer,
namely:

1. the paragraph formats for the ordinary
single-column content are all set to Across All
Columns:, 

2. The paragraph formats for the 2-column content are
set to  In Column.

Take note also that you'll need to define 1- and
2-column paragraph formats for graphic and table
anchors if the 2-column text contains graphics or
tables. 

With this setup: 

Each time you switch from a 1-column paragraph style
to a 2- column paragraph style, lines of 2-column text
are produced. Then, switching back to a 1-column
paragraph style will cause the lines of 2-column text
above it to be balanced out within the two columns,
and the text below will resume the 1-column layout 

You can switch back and forth between 1- and 2-column
text multiple times within a single page, thus you can
begin and end the 2-column text anywhere within the
same page, or you can start the 2-column text anywhere
on a beginning page, and end the 2-column text
anywhere on a succeeding page.

This solution works best when:

A. Single-column text appears at the top of a page,
and either fills the page or is followed by 2-column
text which fills the rest of the page, or

B. The 2-column text appears at the top of a page, and
either fills the page, or is followed by 1-column text
which fills the rest of the page.

If, as you state, there are likely to be subsequent
edits which cause both the 1-column text and the
2-column text to shrink or grow in size, you may find
it necessary to manually force page breaks more often
that usual in order to keep the 2-column text
coherent. This, however, should not be much of a
problem if all the 2-column text is in one solid,
multi-page block that is preceded and/or followed by
solid blocks of single-column text. 



Dan Emory  Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design  Database Publishing
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RE: Shortcut keys stop working

[peter]

I get this too, on FM 7.1p116.  I only have to exit FM and restart to fix it.

Peter




Original Message

Hi guys,

Working in FM 7p492 on XP for about 2+ hours ... suddenly the shortcut
keys (that is, Cltr + C to copy and so forth)
stop working. Using the menu commands work fine. My fix is to restart
the machine, but I wondered if anyone has
experienced this and if they have a better fix.

thanks,
- Paul
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Re: paste special ...text option

[Rick Quatro]

Pete,

There is a setting in your maker.ini to do this.

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com




Hello framers,

Does anyone know of a way to default text as the first option on the 
paste-special option box.  text is currently third in the list and I 
would love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).


Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Pete
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Re: Translation questions

[mathieu jacquet]

Alexandra,

as a French translator and technical writer using FrameMaker as well as 
Trados, I totally agree with what other people have said on this issue : if 
the translation company knows its job, you ought to send FM files in the 
native language and have them sent back translated and perfectly laid out, 
in FM format and with an updated TM (Translation memory).


Any change you might do in a file will appear clearly to the translator when 
translating under Trados : you do not have to do anything (add change bars, 
create Excel files with change records or whatever...) except send your 
files and pay only for the translation of changed parts.


Yours,

Mathieu.


From: Karen Story [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Translation questions
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:14:06 -0700

Hi Alexandra,

To save money, we break our books into small files, and only hand off the 
files that have changed. This saves us a lot of money in translation costs, 
but it means that we have to do all the file integration and resolve 
missing fonts and a few other issues. Every so often we hand off the whole 
book, because the older sections get out of alignment with the translation 
memory. If your compay can afford it, it's best to always hand off 
everything to the vendor.


We hand off FrameMaker files, not mif files.

* Can't translators take the latest mif files from you and use TRADOS to
identify what has changed?

Yes, but they will charge you for every word, even the words that were 
already translated.


* What if the database from the translator is out-of-date? Can't they
build a new one based on new files?

Yes, but this costs money.

* Is there really a difference in this process (re:TRADOS) if we used
Word?

Don't use Word! The Frame to Mif to Trados and back process works just 
fine.


--

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:12:13 -0400
From: Alexandra Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Translation questions
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii

Hello,

FM 6.0 unstructured
ePro WWH 5.0

We recently translated our documentation set (two manuals, about 1,600
pages) into Spanish. This wasn't a very smooth process, but it was
accomplished by sending our .mif files to the translator, who uses
TRADOS. The translator was selected based on the lowest bid.
The translator did create the database files that are used for
facilitating future translation; however, once we got the files back
from them, there were so many errors and changes required that we
question the usefulness of the database files. Our Spanish FrameMaker
files are now significantly different from the files that they gave to
us.

Now we are moving on to the next version of our software, and facing
difficulties understanding how to mark what has changed since the last
version, and translate only the new/changed text. What we ended up doing
is comparing our English files in FrameMaker, and, using the CMP files,
added the new/changed text into the Spanish files, marked with a
Translation condition. This was a huge chore. I just KNOW that others do
not do it this way. The managers are not happy with the amount of time
this took, and we aren't happy because it was very tedious.

I have read the white paper about translation that is often mentioned,
but the process is still not clear to me. I don't really know what
TRADOS can do and how the translators use it with .mif files. (The PTBs
claim that TRADOS works *much better* with Word, and why do use
FrameMaker anyway?) I also know that many of you have switched to
structured FrameMaker to solve some translation issues (like these?) but
at the moment, switching to structured with our small, very busy dept.
is cost- and time-prohibitive.

If you are still using unstructured FrameMaker and translating your text
through several versions, I would like to know:

* What your companies do to mark text that has changed? How do you move
the translation up to the next version?
* Can't translators take the latest mif files from you and use TRADOS to
identify what has changed?
* What if the database from the translator is out-of-date? Can't they
build a new one based on new files?
* Is there really a difference in this process (re:TRADOS) if we used
Word?

I think we're making this way harder than it needs to be and would
appreciate your input.
Please, can you CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], as I am on the digest.

Thanks,

Alexandra Duffy
Senior Technical Writer
Nemetschek NA
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RE: Columns in middle of chapter

[Charles Beck]

Very nice solution, Dan! A bit of work to set up, but sounds like the
results would be very impressive. 

Just out of curiosity, do you know if doing this with tables would be a
viable option? 

Chuck  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daniel Emory
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:05 AM
To: Lisa M. Balbes, Ph.D.
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Columns in middle of chapter

--- Lisa M. Balbes, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My client wants one section of a particular chapter to be in columns, 
 instead of the full page width
text of the rest of the chapter.  This 
 section will extend over several pages, and will probably have things 
 added and deleted as we
continue editing the document.  They want the 
 columns to flow like a newspaper - filling both columns on one page 
 before moving on to the next.

There is a viable way to do this in FrameMaker. 

First, your Left and Right master pages must both be converted from a
single-column page layout to a 2-column layout.

Second, to make it work, you must have two sets of paragraph formats
which at differ in a single setting within the Pagination pane of the
Paragraph Designer,
namely:

1. the paragraph formats for the ordinary single-column content are all
set to Across All Columns:, 

2. The paragraph formats for the 2-column content are set to  In
Column.

Take note also that you'll need to define 1- and 2-column paragraph
formats for graphic and table anchors if the 2-column text contains
graphics or tables. 

With this setup: 

Each time you switch from a 1-column paragraph style to a 2- column
paragraph style, lines of 2-column text are produced. Then, switching
back to a 1-column paragraph style will cause the lines of 2-column text
above it to be balanced out within the two columns, and the text below
will resume the 1-column layout 

You can switch back and forth between 1- and 2-column text multiple
times within a single page, thus you can begin and end the 2-column text
anywhere within the same page, or you can start the 2-column text
anywhere on a beginning page, and end the 2-column text anywhere on a
succeeding page.

This solution works best when:

A. Single-column text appears at the top of a page, and either fills the
page or is followed by 2-column text which fills the rest of the page,
or

B. The 2-column text appears at the top of a page, and either fills the
page, or is followed by 1-column text which fills the rest of the page.

If, as you state, there are likely to be subsequent edits which cause
both the 1-column text and the 2-column text to shrink or grow in size,
you may find it necessary to manually force page breaks more often that
usual in order to keep the 2-column text coherent. This, however, should
not be much of a problem if all the 2-column text is in one solid,
multi-page block that is preceded and/or followed by solid blocks of
single-column text. 



Dan Emory  Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design  Database Publishing
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[David Creamer]

This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
 therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
 any Intel-based machines. .

The confusion comes from whether the computer can BOOT, that is start up, in
OS 9 -- or can it run OS 9 in Classic emulation (while running under OS X).

There is the breakdown:

Intel-based computers cannot run Classic or OS 9 at all.*

Almost all G5 and later-model G4 computers cannot BOOT into OS 9, but CAN
run OS 9 through Classic emulation.

Older G4 and most G3 systems can BOOT into either OS X or OS 9.
Logically, they can run OS 9 in Classic mode as well.


The issue is hardware based. Tiger (OS 10.4.X) has nothing to do with it.
The only requirement for Tiger, if I recall correctly, is that it requires
the computer to have built-in FireWire. (This basically leaves out the old
beige G3 systems.)


*Intel Macs can run Windows apps through a variety of methods.


David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Apple Consultant Network member (since 1990)


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RE: paste special ...text option

[Sales at Bright Path]

Hi Pete:

This may be adjusted in the maker.ini file within your FrameMaker install
folder.  The maker.ini is a text file so you can easily open it in a tool
like Notepad and edit it. 

By moving TEXT to the start of the line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT

you are able to change Frame's behavior so that a regular Paste will paste
as text and you don't have to do Paste Special.

Good luck,

Kay

PS - backup your maker.ini file before making changes.

.K.


Kay Ethier
Senior Trainer  Consultant
Bright Path Solutions
FRAMEMAKER 2006 CHAUTAUQUA (conference): http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/




-Original Message-
From: Peter Rule

Hello framers,

Does anyone know of a way to default text as the first option on the
paste-special option box.  text is currently third in the list and I
would love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Pete
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Steve Rickaby]

At 14:48 -0700 9/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

I can see where some of this confusion is coming from.

First off, Sam, your initial assertion of 'Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any 
form' is misleading (forgive my bluntness): it's not a Tiger (i.e. OS) 
restriction, but a hardware restriction. All versions of OS X have supported OS 
9 in its Classic form, a software wrapper that allows a full OS 9 to run within 
the OS X environment. And within that, FrameMaker runs just fine, as long as 
you follow the guidelines given here:

http://www.fm4osx.org/classic.html

What *is* true is that none of the most recent range of Intel-chipped Macs run 
Classic. This is hardware issue: Apple chose not to port Classic to these 
machines. This is a situation that a lot of clever people are working on, as 
Apple appears to be unaware that many Mac users are still dependent on legacy 
software. But for FrameMaker, the option at present on these machines is to run 
one of the software solutions that support Windows or Windows apps:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/

Finally, Peter Gold's point about dual-boot Macs only applies to older hardware 
models. I forget when the last dual-boot Mac was dropped, but you should be 
able to find out here:

http://www.apple-history.com/

Fwiw, I have a 2000-vintage Cube that is dual boot, and a 2004-vintage G4 that 
is not, so it was sometime between those years.

-- 
Steve
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RE: paste special ...text option

[Reng, Winfried Dr.]

Hi Peter,

Easy. Open your maker.ini file with a text editor and change
the order of the ClipboardFormatsPriorities formats.

Best regards

Winfried

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 Of Peter Rule
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 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: paste special ...text option
 
 
 Hello framers,
 
 Does anyone know of a way to default text as the first 
 option on the paste-special option box.  text is 
 currently third in the list and I would love for it to be 
 first (saving me having to select it).
 
 Any help appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Pete
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RE: Translation questions

[Diane Gaskill]

Alexandra,

I definitely echo Karen's advice about Word.  We have some Word docs (don't
even ask)and two vendors we use told us that they will charge us 25% more to
translate docs in Word than docs in Frame.  Why?  Because the graphics are
all embedded in Word and they have to take them out and replace them with
the translated ones.  This is a manual process and takes time. And they
charge for -everything- they do.  The other reason is that they expect Word
to crash a few times during the process and that they will have to do some
of the work over.  And then there is the autonumbering...   Well, everybody
knows how stable Word is, right?

Most vendors accept FM files.  You do not need to save the files to MIF.
One of the advantages of sending FM files is that they are binary and are a
lot smaller than the ASCII MIF files.  Zipping the files solves the size
problem, but saving to MIF is an extra step that you don't need to do.

I'm not sure that Karen is right about vendors charging you for words that
have already been translated when you are using a TM.  I'm pretty sure ours
does not, but check with your vendor to be sure.

Diane
=

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:14 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Translation questions


Hi Alexandra,

To save money, we break our books into small files, and only hand off the
files that have changed. This saves us a lot of money in translation costs,
but it means that we have to do all the file integration and resolve missing
fonts and a few other issues. Every so often we hand off the whole book,
because the older sections get out of alignment with the translation memory.
If your compay can afford it, it's best to always hand off everything to the
vendor.

We hand off FrameMaker files, not mif files.

* Can't translators take the latest mif files from you and use TRADOS to
identify what has changed?

Yes, but they will charge you for every word, even the words that were
already translated.

* What if the database from the translator is out-of-date? Can't they
build a new one based on new files?

Yes, but this costs money.

* Is there really a difference in this process (re:TRADOS) if we used
Word?

Don't use Word! The Frame to Mif to Trados and back process works just fine.

--

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:12:13 -0400
From: Alexandra Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Translation questions
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii

Hello,

FM 6.0 unstructured
ePro WWH 5.0

We recently translated our documentation set (two manuals, about 1,600
pages) into Spanish. This wasn't a very smooth process, but it was
accomplished by sending our .mif files to the translator, who uses
TRADOS. The translator was selected based on the lowest bid.
The translator did create the database files that are used for
facilitating future translation; however, once we got the files back
from them, there were so many errors and changes required that we
question the usefulness of the database files. Our Spanish FrameMaker
files are now significantly different from the files that they gave to
us.

Now we are moving on to the next version of our software, and facing
difficulties understanding how to mark what has changed since the last
version, and translate only the new/changed text. What we ended up doing
is comparing our English files in FrameMaker, and, using the CMP files,
added the new/changed text into the Spanish files, marked with a
Translation condition. This was a huge chore. I just KNOW that others do
not do it this way. The managers are not happy with the amount of time
this took, and we aren't happy because it was very tedious.

I have read the white paper about translation that is often mentioned,
but the process is still not clear to me. I don't really know what
TRADOS can do and how the translators use it with .mif files. (The PTBs
claim that TRADOS works *much better* with Word, and why do use
FrameMaker anyway?) I also know that many of you have switched to
structured FrameMaker to solve some translation issues (like these?) but
at the moment, switching to structured with our small, very busy dept.
is cost- and time-prohibitive.

If you are still using unstructured FrameMaker and translating your text
through several versions, I would like to know:

* What your companies do to mark text that has changed? How do you move
the translation up to the next version?
* Can't translators take the latest mif files from you and use TRADOS to
identify what has changed?
* What if the database from the translator is out-of-date? Can't they
build a new one based on new files?
* Is there really a difference in this process (re:TRADOS) if we used
Word?

I think we're making this way harder than it needs to be and would
appreciate your input.

RE: Columns in middle of chapter - Answers

[Lisa M. Balbes, Ph.D.]

Thanks to all who sent suggestions, especially Glenn Voyles, Bodvar 
Bjorgvinsson, Grant Hogarth, Richard Doll, Daniel Emory

Two of the most complete are included below.

Since there are only 2 small, 2-column sections in the middle of a 
135 page document, I opted to not mess with the master pages, but 
instead use the split text frame override for those 2 places.  I 
included a little extra white space in the lists to allow for future 
expansion, and will hope for the best.


Thanks for all the help!

Lisa

==
From: Richard Doll

1. Position your TextCursor at the start of the paragraph that you want to
begin multi-column matter.
2. Select Format  Customize Layout  Split Text Frame. This will cause
the cursor to change to the Non/text variety and also the text area to be
split in two vertical pieces.
3. Move the Non-text Cursor into the new frame area and right click. -
This will open a dropdown window.
4. Select Properties. This will open the properties window and in it set
the column quantity desired and the column gutter width Gap desired. An
finally select Set.

To continue the two column matter on additional pages . . .do 3 and 4.
To end the multi-column text . . . do 1, 2, 3 and 4.

These variations from the Master pages ARE BOUND to the PAGEs on which they
were defined,
So . . . changes/additions of matter before and within the variations will
likely experience flow issues!

==
From  Daniel Emory


There is a viable way to do this in FrameMaker.

First, your Left and Right master pages must both be converted from a
single-column page layout to a 2-column layout.

Second, to make it work, you must have two sets of paragraph formats
which at differ in a single setting within the Pagination pane of the
Paragraph Designer,
namely:

1. the paragraph formats for the ordinary single-column content are all
set to Across All Columns:,

2. The paragraph formats for the 2-column content are set to  In
Column.

Take note also that you'll need to define 1- and 2-column paragraph
formats for graphic and table anchors if the 2-column text contains
graphics or tables.

With this setup:

Each time you switch from a 1-column paragraph style to a 2- column
paragraph style, lines of 2-column text are produced. Then, switching
back to a 1-column paragraph style will cause the lines of 2-column text
above it to be balanced out within the two columns, and the text below
will resume the 1-column layout

You can switch back and forth between 1- and 2-column text multiple
times within a single page, thus you can begin and end the 2-column text
anywhere within the same page, or you can start the 2-column text
anywhere on a beginning page, and end the 2-column text anywhere on a
succeeding page.

This solution works best when:

A. Single-column text appears at the top of a page, and either fills the
page or is followed by 2-column text which fills the rest of the page,
or

B. The 2-column text appears at the top of a page, and either fills the
page, or is followed by 1-column text which fills the rest of the page.

If, as you state, there are likely to be subsequent edits which cause
both the 1-column text and the 2-column text to shrink or grow in size,
you may find it necessary to manually force page breaks more often that
usual in order to keep the 2-column text coherent. This, however, should
not be much of a problem if all the 2-column text is in one solid,
multi-page block that is preceded and/or followed by solid blocks of
single-column text.



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RE: paste special ...text option

[Fred Ridder]

Sorry, Kay, but this useful trick (which was also suggested by Mark Southee,
Rick Quatro, and Winifred Reng) is not going to do what Peter needs.

Peter complains that Text is the *third* option in his Paste Special dialog,
and that fact indicates that he is cutting (or copying) and pasting
content from *within*FrameMaker*. If he were pasting content from
an external application (e.g. MS Word) via the Windows clipboard,
the Text option would be the more like the fifth or sixth item in the list.

The problem is that the ClipboardFormatsPriorities item in maker.ini only
affects pasting from the Windows clipboard.  It does *not* affect the
paste operation for content that is coming from a FrameMaker file.
The only way to paste FrameMaker content as unformatted text is to
use Paste Special.  And that's why Peter wants to change the order
of items in that dialog's list.  Unfortunately, I don't believe that there
is any way to alter that list, particularly since it is a context-sensitive 
list.

The ClipboardFormatsPriorities parameter does not affect the order of
items in the Paste Special dialog's list; it only affects the behavior of
the standard paste command (e.g. Ctrl+P) so that you don't have
to use Paste Special as often.

It's also important to remember that maker.ini does not exist in the Mac
version of FrameMaker, so that this ClipboardFormatsPriorities trick is
useless on that platform.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


From: Sales at Bright Path [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: 'Peter Rule' [EMAIL PROTECTED],framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: paste special ...text option
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:08:41 -0400

Hi Pete:

This may be adjusted in the maker.ini file within your FrameMaker install
folder.  The maker.ini is a text file so you can easily open it in a tool
like Notepad and edit it.

By moving TEXT to the start of the line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT

you are able to change Frame's behavior so that a regular Paste will paste
as text and you don't have to do Paste Special.

Good luck,

Kay

PS - backup your maker.ini file before making changes.

.K.


Kay Ethier
Senior Trainer  Consultant
Bright Path Solutions
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-Original Message-
From: Peter Rule

Hello framers,

Does anyone know of a way to default text as the first option on the
paste-special option box.  text is currently third in the list and I
would love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Pete
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

All,

   I stand corrected! I'm guessing my mistake in this was with the
computers themselves and NOT the operating systems. I thought that
Classic was also tied to the OS as well as the computer. Apparently,
it's only tied to the computer. I believe that the last round of G4s and
the G5s didn't allow dual-booting into OS 9 as well as OS X. I wasn't
aware that Tiger still allowed a Classic environment. 
   I recently bought a new Mac Pro desktop, Intel-based, so this
knowledge doesn't help me any in my home situation, but it's still nice
to know! Thanks much, everyone, for their input and on setting me
straight on this!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

-Original Message-
From: Michael O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:35 PM
To: Sam Beard; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

I'm running this on a Mac Mini with a G4 proc.  

It's been a long time since I set it up, but as best as I can remember,
I installed the Classic environment as part of the initial setup and
configuration of Tiger.  This required the use of a Classic
environment disk (again, if I remember correctly).

When I try to open a Classic (OS9) application, the Classic environment
opens automatically within OS X and the application I originally tried
to open runs within this.  I don't boot to Classic or do any dual
booting shenanigans.

In the System Preferences, there is a Classic icon under System that
allows me to set various Classic options, including starting when
logging in, warning before starting Classic, various memory usage
settings for Classic, and more.  

OS 9/Classic does NOT appear as an option when under Startup Disk
preferences.

Sorry I can't provide too many details.  It's been a long time since I
initially set it up and I use Classic less and less frequently every
week that passes.  At least I know that in at least my circumstance,
Classic does work on Tiger.

-Michael



-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:49 PM
To: Michael O'Neill; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Michael and Scott,

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 
Scott White wrote:

We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well.
However, the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC
just fine. We are using it here. FYI.

And Michael O'Neill wrote:

For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.
  
-Michael

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:03 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell 

RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Hey Peter,

   I agree that this is an excellent series of books! I have one from OS
X 10.1, I believe. I was looking for one for Frame, since there are so
many others out there. Alas, I wasn't able to find one, so have been
looking for another good book for Frame. I recently bought the
Dreamweaver 8 Missing Manual and, so far, it looks to be just about as
good as Pogue's books. 

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 
Peter wrote: snipped
You can read a lot about this (and other stuff) in David Pogue's 
excellent and thorough Mac OS X: The Missing Manual (choose the cat 
version you need.) There's not much he overlooks explaining about common

and obscure aspects of Mac-ing.

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Re: Converting structured fm file to Doxygen readable file

[Nathan Cullen]

Hi Andrew,

I managed to create a python script which takes FrameMaker output and 
converts it to a doxygen readable document. So my problem is solved.


The solution involved saving my structured files as xml files and then 
running the parsing script over them.


Regards

Nathan

Andrew Warren wrote:

Nathan Cullen wrote:

  

I was just wondering does anyone have any scripts or do they know of


any
  

way to convert a structured framemaker file to a file that can be


parsed
  

by doxygen. I would appreciate if anyone had any idea on how I would


do
  

something like this or even start such a process.



Nathan:

The usual plea is for assistance in the other direction: converting
Doxygen output to something that can be read by FrameMaker.  What are
you trying to accomplish?

-Andrew

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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Hey Steve,

   Thanks for the input. Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the issue
was with the OS itself. I knew that the last round, I believe, of G4s as
well as the G5s didn't support dual-booting. They still ran Classic, I
believe, but not straight OS 9. I also knew that Apple wasn't porting
anything OS 9/Classic-related over to the new Intel-based Macs. I wasn't
aware that, as it appears people are saying from this thread, that Adobe
hasn't ported over Frame to run in OS X. Is that the case? Anyone heard
anything about when Adobe might be releasing an OS X version, if that is
the case?

Thanks much,

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:40 AM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

At 14:48 -0700 9/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some
sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

I can see where some of this confusion is coming from.

First off, Sam, your initial assertion of 'Tiger does NOT support OS 9
in any form' is misleading (forgive my bluntness): it's not a Tiger
(i.e. OS) restriction, but a hardware restriction. All versions of OS X
have supported OS 9 in its Classic form, a software wrapper that allows
a full OS 9 to run within the OS X environment. And within that,
FrameMaker runs just fine, as long as you follow the guidelines given
here:

http://www.fm4osx.org/classic.html

What *is* true is that none of the most recent range of Intel-chipped
Macs run Classic. This is hardware issue: Apple chose not to port
Classic to these machines. This is a situation that a lot of clever
people are working on, as Apple appears to be unaware that many Mac
users are still dependent on legacy software. But for FrameMaker, the
option at present on these machines is to run one of the software
solutions that support Windows or Windows apps:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/

Finally, Peter Gold's point about dual-boot Macs only applies to older
hardware models. I forget when the last dual-boot Mac was dropped, but
you should be able to find out here:

http://www.apple-history.com/

Fwiw, I have a 2000-vintage Cube that is dual boot, and a 2004-vintage
G4 that is not, so it was sometime between those years.

-- 
Steve
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Re: URL Encoded Problem in PDF

[Shlomo Perets]

Donald,

You wrote:

I've got a link to a url that is being encoded by Acrobat, and not working 
when I click on it.


For example, the marker has message URL 
http://www.site.com/~directory/index.html; and the tilde is being encoded 
to %7E when the link is clicked, but appears as ~ in the PDF. If I 
manually paste the link (with ~ intact) it works fine.


Any  ideas? Is this a problem with my PDF or the target webserver?


I see the same encoding of tilde as %7E when web links of different types 
are activated in Acrobat, whether inserted in FM or in Acrobat (regular 
links or JavaScript actions). But regardless of this encoding, the links 
are resolved properly. It seems, therefore, that the problem is related to 
the specific addresses or target servers.



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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Steve Rickaby]

At 07:35 -0700 10/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

  Thanks for the input. Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the issue
was with the OS itself.

No sweat - easy mistake to make.

 I knew that the last round, I believe, of G4s as well as the G5s didn't 
 support dual-booting. They still ran Classic, I believe, but not straight OS 
 9.

Correct.

 I also knew that Apple wasn't porting anything OS 9/Classic-related over to 
 the new Intel-based Macs.

Also correct (dammit) :-(

 I wasn't aware that, as it appears people are saying from this thread, that 
 Adobe hasn't ported over Frame to run in OS X. Is that the case?

Correct. There was a campaign, thanks to Paul Findon, but it got us nowhere: 
http://www.fm4osx.org. I even wore the T-shirt to trade shows. (There was just 
the one T-shirt, but we shared it.)

A lot of Mac FrameMaker users became very, very angry.

 Anyone heard anything about when Adobe might be releasing an OS X version, if 
 that is the case?

LOL.
-- 
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FrameLink

[Stephen C. Gillespie Sr]

Dear Framers,

Does anybody have any experience with the Framelink tool, to integrate Frame
with CMS (Documentum)?

I see on their website, where it talks about Frame+SGML integration - does
it work with Structured Frame/XML, too?

Apprec any info - thanks!

 

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Sr Information Development Analyst
FedEx Express
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901.434.9982

 


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Re: Capturing Paragraph Tag change with a Variables

[Stuart Rogers]

Scott White wrote:

I've looked through the book and I'm a little stumped.
How do you capture a change to the data assigned a specific paragraph tag so
you can search on that change?
I have a catalog that uses a certain paragraph tag cellprice to display
pricing for an item. The paragraph tag cellitem is used to identify the
unique item within a catalog that uses the cellprice tag. How can I assign
a variable to that so when the price changes from an update or manually
manipulated, I can find that change for the item? Can I export and/or print
a list of all items where the combination cellprice and cellitem tags have
changed by date?
Thanks for your help.

Frame 7.0 Mac OS 10 Tiger, Frame 7.2 Windows XP.


Scott,
I'm not sure I fully understand how your updates are occurring, but I 
think the feature you're looking for is File  Utilities  Compare 
Documents. Have a look at the user guide or Help files on that topic.


(I'm thinking that if your document updates from a database, you might 
have to turn off automatic updates and save a stable previous version 
to compare with the updated version, but I don't have experience with FM 
and databases.)


HTH,

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Re: Corrupted PDFs

[Stuart Rogers]

Gillian Flato wrote:

Guys,
 
Frame 7.0 p495

Acrobat 7.0 Professional
on a network drive
 
I am having a problem where when I create a PDF, it becomes corrupted

and I can't delete or move it. I can open it, but that's it. But this
means that when I change the software, I can't rebuild the PDF so it's
critical. Any suggestions.
 


If you can open it, then it's highly unlikely that it's corrupted. More 
likely there is some network setting or a *.lck file that is making it 
read-only. Check for yourfilename.lck files on the network drive; they 
prevent two users from changing the same document simultaneously, but if 
they don't get erased properly when you close the file, you won't be 
able to delete or move it. (And you *are* closing the file before 
attempting to move or delete, right? You can't delete an open file...)


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RE: Corrupted PDFs

[Gillian Flato]

 


Thank you,

 
I did a search on both my local drive and my network drive and did not
find any *.lck files.


Gillian 


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Gillian Flato wrote:
 Guys,
  
 Frame 7.0 p495
 Acrobat 7.0 Professional
 on a network drive
  
 I am having a problem where when I create a PDF, it becomes corrupted
 and I can't delete or move it. I can open it, but that's it. But this
 means that when I change the software, I can't rebuild the PDF so it's
 critical. Any suggestions.
  

If you can open it, then it's highly unlikely that it's corrupted. More 
likely there is some network setting or a *.lck file that is making it 
read-only. Check for yourfilename.lck files on the network drive; they 
prevent two users from changing the same document simultaneously, but if

they don't get erased properly when you close the file, you won't be 
able to delete or move it. (And you *are* closing the file before 
attempting to move or delete, right? You can't delete an open file...)

HTH,

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OSX Tiger and FrameMaker

[Graeme Forbes]

There seems to be a bit of confusion in answering Ann's question 
about FM and Tiger. Bottom line: if it's a G5 Mac you've got (or G4, 
G3...) FrameMaker will run fine under OS X 10.2, 10.3 (Panther) or 
10.4 (Tiger). Dunno about 10.0 or 10.1


This is because the G5 supports Apple's Classic environment, which 
allows OS9 to run inside any recent version of OSX that can be 
installed on a G5 computer.


If you buy a newer Mac with an Intel chip, you're out of luck (a 
qualification -- there are certain programs which emulate OS7 or OS8 
inside OSX on an Intel Mac, so you can run -- sort of -- FM5 or FM6; 
or you can emulate, or even boot into, Windows -- yeah, right -- and 
run Windows FM).


An entirely different question is whether your machine can *boot 
into* OS9 (OS9 controls the computer, not OSX with Classic running 
inside it). I had a G4 desktop which could boot OS9, and OS9 apps 
like FM7 fairly flew. But of course I couldn't run OSX apps without 
rebooting. I think my particular model may have been the last or 
second last Mac capable of booting OS9. G5 Macs can't. But for 
FrameMaker, running in Classic is not merely perfectly acceptable, 
it's actually better than running on any machine controlled by OS9. 
OSX is vastly more stable, and if Classic chokes, it's only a Classic 
relaunch to get things going again, not a hardware reboot.


As part of Apple's plot to abandon its customers still using non-OSX 
software, they stopped shipping G4/G5 Macs with Classic installed 
some time ago. Once your new OS 10.x is going on your machine, you 
may have to go to the Help menu and search for Classic to find out 
where on your installation disks they've hidden the Classic 
installler. But it'll be there somewhere.


Hope that helps,
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RE: FrameLink

[Ridder, Fred]

FrameLink was a good product, and there was a separate version for
FrameMaker+SGML.  But Datalogics never did a version that worked
with the structured mode of FrameMaker 7.x.  Instead, they made a 
decision that as of the spring of 2005 they were no longer supporting
the product. It's a dead end. Until our product group was sold by the
our parent company, we were still using FrameLink with FM7.1 in
unstructured mode, and living with the handful of bugs that still
existed
(Datalogics became *very* slow to respond to reported issues over the
last year or so that they were still nominally supporting FrameLink, 
and we should have seen the handwriting on the wall). The company 
that bought the product group is not planning to use FrameLink
because it is not compatible with their new FrameMaker 7.2 licenses 
(multiple undo seems to have broken FrameLink compatibility) and
they don't want to go to the trouble of obtaining licenses to v7.1 (or 
older) and staying locked in to that old version of the tool. 

My opinion only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder
Intel
Parsippany, NJ

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Behalf Of Stephen C. Gillespie Sr
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 12:02 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FrameLink

Dear Framers,

Does anybody have any experience with the Framelink tool, to integrate
Frame
with CMS (Documentum)?

I see on their website, where it talks about Frame+SGML integration -
does
it work with Structured Frame/XML, too?

Apprec any info - thanks!

 

Steve Gillespie, PMP
Sr Information Development Analyst
FedEx Express
Memphis, TN 38125
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Paul Findon]

   On 10 Oct 2006, at 07:00, fAnn Zdunczyk wrote:

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A  
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4  
(Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9  
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac  
technology, which

I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there  
are any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with  
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep  
trying to

sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with  
Tiger.


There are a few additional issues to be aware of when running Mac  
FrameMaker with Tiger, but, for the most part, it works well.


I have a page detailing issues at:
http://www.fm4osx.org/classic.html

For more UNVARNISHED truth and support, I suggest that you join the  
FrameMaker for Mac OS X mailing list at:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fmforosx/

FWIW, I'm running Mac FrameMaker 6.0 on a Power Mac G5 Quad with Mac  
OS 10.4.8 (Tiger). It works well, is fast, and stable.


Paul
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RE: Corrupted PDFs

[Dov Isaacs]

If you can indeed OPEN and view the PDF file in
either Reader or Acrobat, the file is not corrupted.
An inability to delete or move a file is not indicative
of file corruption, but rather, that some program is
holding the file open. That program may be on your
system or perhaps the server itself or some other user
on the network. Note that sometimes even though you think
you have ended a run of Acrobat, it still is running for
a while and may have some files open.

Another possibility is that you put the file into a
network directory for which your access privileges are
setup to allow you to open existing files or even create 
files in that directory, but not delete or otherwise mess
with file attributes.

Some simple things to try: Reboot YOUR computer. If your
computer was the culprit, i.e., some program holding it
open, then the reboot should clear it.

If the reboot doesn't clear the problem and you KNOW that
no one else on the network is accessing that file, you
should have your network administrator check your access
privileges on the server and specifically for the directory
in question. You clearly need read, write, file create, file
deletion, file attribute modification, etc. privileges for
that directory.

- Dov

 

 -Original Message-
 Gillian Flato wrote:
 Guys,
  
 Frame 7.0 p495
 Acrobat 7.0 Professional
 on a network drive
  
 I am having a problem where when I create a PDF, it becomes corrupted
 and I can't delete or move it. I can open it, but that's it. But this
 means that when I change the software, I can't rebuild the 
 PDF so it's critical. Any suggestions.
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Fw: RE: paste special ...text option

[Peter Rule]

-Original message-
From: Peter Rule [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:40:06 +1000
To: Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: paste special ...text option

Yes, thankyou Fred (and everyone else).  

You are correct, I am cut/copy and pasting within a Frame doc and the, 
otherwise useful suggestion to edit the maker.ini file has no effect on the 
paste special order in this context.

Thanks anyway, looks like I'll just have to suffer that extra click.

Cheers,

Pete


-Original message-
From: Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:40:04 +1000
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: paste special ...text option

 Sorry, Kay, but this useful trick (which was also suggested by Mark Southee,
 Rick Quatro, and Winifred Reng) is not going to do what Peter needs.
 
 Peter complains that Text is the *third* option in his Paste Special dialog,
 and that fact indicates that he is cutting (or copying) and pasting
 content from *within*FrameMaker*. If he were pasting content from
 an external application (e.g. MS Word) via the Windows clipboard,
 the Text option would be the more like the fifth or sixth item in the list.
 
 The problem is that the ClipboardFormatsPriorities item in maker.ini only
 affects pasting from the Windows clipboard.  It does *not* affect the
 paste operation for content that is coming from a FrameMaker file.
 The only way to paste FrameMaker content as unformatted text is to
 use Paste Special.  And that's why Peter wants to change the order
 of items in that dialog's list.  Unfortunately, I don't believe that there
 is any way to alter that list, particularly since it is a context-sensitive 
 list.
 The ClipboardFormatsPriorities parameter does not affect the order of
 items in the Paste Special dialog's list; it only affects the behavior of
 the standard paste command (e.g. Ctrl+P) so that you don't have
 to use Paste Special as often.
 
 It's also important to remember that maker.ini does not exist in the Mac
 version of FrameMaker, so that this ClipboardFormatsPriorities trick is
 useless on that platform.
 
 My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
 Fred Ridder
 Intel
 Parsippany, NJ
 
 From: Sales at Bright Path [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Peter Rule' [EMAIL PROTECTED],framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: paste special ...text option
 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:08:41 -0400
 
 Hi Pete:
 
 This may be adjusted in the maker.ini file within your FrameMaker install
 folder.  The maker.ini is a text file so you can easily open it in a tool
 like Notepad and edit it.
 
 By moving TEXT to the start of the line:
 
 ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT
 
 you are able to change Frame's behavior so that a regular Paste will paste
 as text and you don't have to do Paste Special.
 
 Good luck,
 
 Kay
 
 PS - backup your maker.ini file before making changes.
 
 .K.
 
 
 Kay Ethier
 Senior Trainer  Consultant
 Bright Path Solutions
 FRAMEMAKER 2006 CHAUTAUQUA (conference): http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Peter Rule
 
 Hello framers,
 
 Does anyone know of a way to default text as the first option on the
 paste-special option box.  text is currently third in the list and I
 would love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).
 
 Any help appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Pete
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Shortcut keys stop working

[Paul Di Somma]

Hi guys,

Working in FM 7p492 on XP for about 2+ hours ... suddenly the shortcut
keys (that is, Cltr + C to copy and so forth)
stop working. Using the menu commands work fine. My fix is to restart
the machine, but I wondered if anyone has
experienced this and if they have a better fix.

thanks,
- Paul

paste special ...text option

[Peter Rule]

Hello framers,

Does anyone know of a way to default "text" as the first option on the 
"paste-special" option box.  "text" is currently third in the list and I would 
love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Pete

Shortcut keys stop working

[pe...@galley.ie]

I get this too, on FM 7.1p116.  I only have to exit FM and restart to fix it.

Peter




Original Message

Hi guys,

Working in FM 7p492 on XP for about 2+ hours ... suddenly the shortcut
keys (that is, Cltr + C to copy and so forth)
stop working. Using the menu commands work fine. My fix is to restart
the machine, but I wondered if anyone has
experienced this and if they have a better fix.

thanks,
- Paul
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paste special ...text option

[Rick Quatro]

Pete,

There is a setting in your maker.ini to do this.

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



> Hello framers,
>
> Does anyone know of a way to default "text" as the first option on the 
> "paste-special" option box.  "text" is currently third in the list and I 
> would love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
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Translation questions

[mathieu jacquet]

Alexandra,

as a French translator and technical writer using FrameMaker as well as 
Trados, I totally agree with what other people have said on this issue : if 
the translation company knows its job, you ought to send FM files in the 
native language and have them sent back translated and perfectly laid out, 
in FM format and with an updated TM (Translation memory).

Any change you might do in a file will appear clearly to the translator when 
translating under Trados : you do not have to do anything (add change bars, 
create Excel files with change records or whatever...) except send your 
files and pay only for the translation of changed parts.

Yours,

Mathieu.

>From: "Karen Story" 
>To: 
>Subject: Re: Translation questions
>Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:14:06 -0700
>
>Hi Alexandra,
>
>To save money, we break our books into small files, and only hand off the 
>files that have changed. This saves us a lot of money in translation costs, 
>but it means that we have to do all the file integration and resolve 
>missing fonts and a few other issues. Every so often we hand off the whole 
>book, because the older sections get out of alignment with the translation 
>memory. If your compay can afford it, it's best to always hand off 
>everything to the vendor.
>
>We hand off FrameMaker files, not mif files.
>
>* Can't translators take the latest mif files from you and use TRADOS to
>identify what has changed?
>
>Yes, but they will charge you for every word, even the words that were 
>already translated.
>
>* What if the database from the translator is out-of-date? Can't they
>build a new one based on new files?
>
>Yes, but this costs money.
>
>* Is there really a difference in this process (re:TRADOS) if we used
>Word?
>
>Don't use Word! The Frame to Mif to Trados and back process works just 
>fine.
>
>--
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:12:13 -0400
>From: "Alexandra Duffy" 
>Subject: Translation questions
>To: 
>Message-ID:
>   
>Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hello,
>
>FM 6.0 unstructured
>ePro WWH 5.0
>
>We recently translated our documentation set (two manuals, about 1,600
>pages) into Spanish. This wasn't a very smooth process, but it was
>accomplished by sending our .mif files to the translator, who uses
>TRADOS. The translator was selected based on the lowest bid.
>The translator did create the database files that are used for
>facilitating future translation; however, once we got the files back
>from them, there were so many errors and changes required that we
>question the usefulness of the database files. Our Spanish FrameMaker
>files are now significantly different from the files that they gave to
>us.
>
>Now we are moving on to the next version of our software, and facing
>difficulties understanding how to mark what has changed since the last
>version, and translate only the new/changed text. What we ended up doing
>is comparing our English files in FrameMaker, and, using the CMP files,
>added the new/changed text into the Spanish files, marked with a
>Translation condition. This was a huge chore. I just KNOW that others do
>not do it this way. The managers are not happy with the amount of time
>this took, and we aren't happy because it was very tedious.
>
>I have read the white paper about translation that is often mentioned,
>but the process is still not clear to me. I don't really know what
>TRADOS can do and how the translators use it with .mif files. (The PTBs
>claim that TRADOS works *much better* with Word, and why do use
>FrameMaker anyway?) I also know that many of you have switched to
>structured FrameMaker to solve some translation issues (like these?) but
>at the moment, switching to structured with our small, very busy dept.
>is cost- and time-prohibitive.
>
>If you are still using unstructured FrameMaker and translating your text
>through several versions, I would like to know:
>
>* What your companies do to mark text that has changed? How do you move
>the translation up to the next version?
>* Can't translators take the latest mif files from you and use TRADOS to
>identify what has changed?
>* What if the database from the translator is out-of-date? Can't they
>build a new one based on new files?
>* Is there really a difference in this process (re:TRADOS) if we used
>Word?
>
>I think we're making this way harder than it needs to be and would
>appreciate your input.
>Please, can you CC: aduffy at nemetschek.net, as I am on the digest.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Alexandra Duffy
>Senior Technical Writer
>Nemetschek NA
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Columns in middle of chapter

[Charles Beck]

Very nice solution, Dan! A bit of work to set up, but sounds like the
results would be very impressive. 

Just out of curiosity, do you know if doing this with tables would be a
viable option? 

Chuck  

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Daniel Emory
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:05 AM
To: Lisa M. Balbes, Ph.D.
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Columns in middle of chapter

--- "Lisa M. Balbes, Ph.D."  wrote:
> My client wants one section of a particular chapter to be in columns, 
> instead of the full page width
text of the rest of the chapter.  This 
> section will extend over several pages, and will probably have things 
> added and deleted as we
continue editing the document.  They want the 
> columns to flow like a newspaper - filling both columns on one page 
> before moving on to the next.

There is a viable way to do this in FrameMaker. 

First, your Left and Right master pages must both be converted from a
single-column page layout to a 2-column layout.

Second, to make it work, you must have two sets of paragraph formats
which at differ in a single setting within the Pagination pane of the
Paragraph Designer,
namely:

1. the paragraph formats for the ordinary single-column content are all
set to "Across All Columns":, 

2. The paragraph formats for the 2-column content are set to " In
Column".

Take note also that you'll need to define 1- and 2-column paragraph
formats for graphic and table anchors if the 2-column text contains
graphics or tables. 

With this setup: 

Each time you switch from a 1-column paragraph style to a 2- column
paragraph style, lines of 2-column text are produced. Then, switching
back to a 1-column paragraph style will cause the lines of 2-column text
above it to be balanced out within the two columns, and the text below
will resume the 1-column layout 

You can switch back and forth between 1- and 2-column text multiple
times within a single page, thus you can begin and end the 2-column text
anywhere within the same page, or you can start the 2-column text
anywhere on a beginning page, and end the 2-column text anywhere on a
succeeding page.

This solution works best when:

A. Single-column text appears at the top of a page, and either fills the
page or is followed by 2-column text which fills the rest of the page,
or

B. The 2-column text appears at the top of a page, and either fills the
page, or is followed by 1-column text which fills the rest of the page.

If, as you state, there are likely to be subsequent edits which cause
both the 1-column text and the 2-column text to shrink or grow in size,
you may find it necessary to manually force page breaks more often that
usual in order to keep the 2-column text coherent. This, however, should
not be much of a problem if all the 2-column text is in one solid,
multi-page block that is preceded and/or followed by solid blocks of
single-column text. 



Dan Emory & Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing

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paste special ...text option

[Mark Southee]

Peter,

Open your maker.ini file in a text editor (from the Program
Files\Framemaker directory) and locate the following line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=

Move TEXT to the beginning of the list.

Cheers

Mark 

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m] On Behalf Of Peter Rule
Sent: 10 October 2006 03:11
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: paste special ...text option

Hello framers,

Does anyone know of a way to default "text" as the first option on the
"paste-special" option box.  "text" is currently third in the list and I
would love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Pete
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OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[David Creamer]

>This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
> therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
> any Intel-based machines. .

The confusion comes from whether the computer can BOOT, that is start up, in
OS 9 -- or can it run OS 9 in Classic emulation (while running under OS X).

There is the breakdown:

Intel-based computers cannot run Classic or OS 9 at all.*

Almost all G5 and later-model G4 computers cannot BOOT into OS 9, but CAN
run OS 9 through Classic emulation.

Older G4 and most G3 systems can BOOT into either OS X or OS 9.
Logically, they can run OS 9 in Classic mode as well.


The issue is hardware based. Tiger (OS 10.4.X) has nothing to do with it.
The only requirement for Tiger, if I recall correctly, is that it requires
the computer to have built-in FireWire. (This basically leaves out the old
beige G3 systems.)


*Intel Macs can run Windows apps through a variety of methods.


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paste special ...text option

[Sales@Bright Path]

Hi Pete:

This may be adjusted in the "maker.ini" file within your FrameMaker install
folder.  The maker.ini is a text file so you can easily open it in a tool
like Notepad and edit it. 

By moving TEXT to the start of the line:

ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT

you are able to change Frame's behavior so that a regular Paste will paste
as text and you don't have to do Paste Special.

Good luck,

Kay

PS - backup your maker.ini file before making changes.

.K.


Kay Ethier
Senior Trainer & Consultant
Bright Path Solutions
FRAMEMAKER 2006 CHAUTAUQUA (conference): http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/




-Original Message-
From: Peter Rule

Hello framers,

Does anyone know of a way to default "text" as the first option on the
"paste-special" option box.  "text" is currently third in the list and I
would love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Pete
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paste special ...text option

[Reng, Winfried Dr.]

Hi Peter,

Easy. Open your maker.ini file with a text editor and change
the order of the "ClipboardFormatsPriorities" formats.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> ]On Behalf
> Of Peter Rule
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:11 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: paste special ...text option
> 
> 
> Hello framers,
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to default "text" as the first 
> option on the "paste-special" option box.  "text" is 
> currently third in the list and I would love for it to be 
> first (saving me having to select it).
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Pete

Translation questions

[Diane Gaskill]

Alexandra,

I definitely echo Karen's advice about Word.  We have some Word docs (don't
even ask)and two vendors we use told us that they will charge us 25% more to
translate docs in Word than docs in Frame.  Why?  Because the graphics are
all embedded in Word and they have to take them out and replace them with
the translated ones.  This is a manual process and takes time. And they
charge for -everything- they do.  The other reason is that they expect Word
to crash a few times during the process and that they will have to do some
of the work over.  And then there is the autonumbering...   Well, everybody
knows how stable Word is, right?

Most vendors accept FM files.  You do not need to save the files to MIF.
One of the advantages of sending FM files is that they are binary and are a
lot smaller than the ASCII MIF files.  Zipping the files solves the size
problem, but saving to MIF is an extra step that you don't need to do.

I'm not sure that Karen is right about vendors charging you for words that
have already been translated when you are using a TM.  I'm pretty sure ours
does not, but check with your vendor to be sure.

Diane
=

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Karen Story
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:14 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Translation questions


Hi Alexandra,

To save money, we break our books into small files, and only hand off the
files that have changed. This saves us a lot of money in translation costs,
but it means that we have to do all the file integration and resolve missing
fonts and a few other issues. Every so often we hand off the whole book,
because the older sections get out of alignment with the translation memory.
If your compay can afford it, it's best to always hand off everything to the
vendor.

We hand off FrameMaker files, not mif files.

* Can't translators take the latest mif files from you and use TRADOS to
identify what has changed?

Yes, but they will charge you for every word, even the words that were
already translated.

* What if the database from the translator is out-of-date? Can't they
build a new one based on new files?

Yes, but this costs money.

* Is there really a difference in this process (re:TRADOS) if we used
Word?

Don't use Word! The Frame to Mif to Trados and back process works just fine.

--

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:12:13 -0400
From: "Alexandra Duffy" 
Subject: Translation questions
To: 
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Hello,

FM 6.0 unstructured
ePro WWH 5.0

We recently translated our documentation set (two manuals, about 1,600
pages) into Spanish. This wasn't a very smooth process, but it was
accomplished by sending our .mif files to the translator, who uses
TRADOS. The translator was selected based on the lowest bid.
The translator did create the database files that are used for
facilitating future translation; however, once we got the files back
from them, there were so many errors and changes required that we
question the usefulness of the database files. Our Spanish FrameMaker
files are now significantly different from the files that they gave to
us.

Now we are moving on to the next version of our software, and facing
difficulties understanding how to mark what has changed since the last
version, and translate only the new/changed text. What we ended up doing
is comparing our English files in FrameMaker, and, using the CMP files,
added the new/changed text into the Spanish files, marked with a
Translation condition. This was a huge chore. I just KNOW that others do
not do it this way. The managers are not happy with the amount of time
this took, and we aren't happy because it was very tedious.

I have read the white paper about translation that is often mentioned,
but the process is still not clear to me. I don't really know what
TRADOS can do and how the translators use it with .mif files. (The PTBs
claim that TRADOS works *much better* with Word, and why do use
FrameMaker anyway?) I also know that many of you have switched to
structured FrameMaker to solve some translation issues (like these?) but
at the moment, switching to structured with our small, very busy dept.
is cost- and time-prohibitive.

If you are still using unstructured FrameMaker and translating your text
through several versions, I would like to know:

* What your companies do to mark text that has changed? How do you move
the translation up to the next version?
* Can't translators take the latest mif files from you and use TRADOS to
identify what has changed?
* What if the database from the translator is out-of-date? Can't they
build a new one based on new files?
* Is there really a difference in this process (re:TRADOS) if we used
Word?

I think we're making this way harder 

Columns in middle of chapter - Answers

[Lisa M. Balbes, Ph.D.]

Thanks to all who sent suggestions, especially Glenn Voyles, Bodvar 
Bjorgvinsson, Grant Hogarth, Richard Doll, Daniel Emory
Two of the most complete are included below.

Since there are only 2 small, 2-column sections in the middle of a 
135 page document, I opted to not mess with the master pages, but 
instead use the split text frame override for those 2 places.  I 
included a little extra white space in the lists to allow for future 
expansion, and will hope for the best.

Thanks for all the help!

Lisa

==
From: "Richard Doll"

1. Position your "TextCursor" at the start of the paragraph that you want to
begin multi-column matter.
2. Select "Format > Customize Layout > Split Text Frame". This will cause
the cursor to change to the Non/text variety and also the text area to be
split in two vertical pieces.
3. Move the Non-text Cursor into the new frame area and "right click". -
This will open a dropdown window.
4. Select "Properties". This will open the properties window" and in it set
the column quantity desired and the column gutter width "Gap" desired. An
finally select "Set".

To continue the two column matter on additional pages . . .do 3 and 4.
To end the multi-column text . . . do 1, 2, 3 and 4.

These variations from the Master pages ARE BOUND to the PAGEs on which they
were defined,
So . . . changes/additions of matter before and within the variations will
likely experience "flow" issues!

==
 From  Daniel Emory

>There is a viable way to do this in FrameMaker.
>
>First, your Left and Right master pages must both be converted from a
>single-column page layout to a 2-column layout.
>
>Second, to make it work, you must have two sets of paragraph formats
>which at differ in a single setting within the Pagination pane of the
>Paragraph Designer,
>namely:
>
>1. the paragraph formats for the ordinary single-column content are all
>set to "Across All Columns":,
>
>2. The paragraph formats for the 2-column content are set to " In
>Column".
>
>Take note also that you'll need to define 1- and 2-column paragraph
>formats for graphic and table anchors if the 2-column text contains
>graphics or tables.
>
>With this setup:
>
>Each time you switch from a 1-column paragraph style to a 2- column
>paragraph style, lines of 2-column text are produced. Then, switching
>back to a 1-column paragraph style will cause the lines of 2-column text
>above it to be balanced out within the two columns, and the text below
>will resume the 1-column layout
>
>You can switch back and forth between 1- and 2-column text multiple
>times within a single page, thus you can begin and end the 2-column text
>anywhere within the same page, or you can start the 2-column text
>anywhere on a beginning page, and end the 2-column text anywhere on a
>succeeding page.
>
>This solution works best when:
>
>A. Single-column text appears at the top of a page, and either fills the
>page or is followed by 2-column text which fills the rest of the page,
>or
>
>B. The 2-column text appears at the top of a page, and either fills the
>page, or is followed by 1-column text which fills the rest of the page.
>
>If, as you state, there are likely to be subsequent edits which cause
>both the 1-column text and the 2-column text to shrink or grow in size,
>you may find it necessary to manually force page breaks more often that
>usual in order to keep the 2-column text coherent. This, however, should
>not be much of a problem if all the 2-column text is in one solid,
>multi-page block that is preceded and/or followed by solid blocks of
>single-column text.
>
>
>
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>
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paste special ...text option

[Fred Ridder]

Sorry, Kay, but this useful trick (which was also suggested by Mark Southee,
Rick Quatro, and Winifred Reng) is not going to do what Peter needs.

Peter complains that Text is the *third* option in his Paste Special dialog,
and that fact indicates that he is cutting (or copying) and pasting
content from *within*FrameMaker*. If he were pasting content from
an external application (e.g. MS Word) via the Windows clipboard,
the Text option would be the more like the fifth or sixth item in the list.

The problem is that the ClipboardFormatsPriorities item in maker.ini only
affects pasting from the Windows clipboard.  It does *not* affect the
paste operation for content that is coming from a FrameMaker file.
The only way to paste FrameMaker content as unformatted text is to
use Paste Special.  And that's why Peter wants to change the order
of items in that dialog's list.  Unfortunately, I don't believe that there
is any way to alter that list, particularly since it is a context-sensitive 
list.
The ClipboardFormatsPriorities parameter does not affect the order of
items in the Paste Special dialog's list; it only affects the behavior of
the standard paste command (e.g. Ctrl+P) so that you don't have
to use Paste Special as often.

It's also important to remember that maker.ini does not exist in the Mac
version of FrameMaker, so that this ClipboardFormatsPriorities trick is
useless on that platform.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder
Intel
Parsippany, NJ

>From: "Sales at Bright Path" 
>Reply-To: kethier at travelthepath.com
>To: "'Peter Rule'" ,
>Subject: RE: paste special ...text option
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:08:41 -0400
>
>Hi Pete:
>
>This may be adjusted in the "maker.ini" file within your FrameMaker install
>folder.  The maker.ini is a text file so you can easily open it in a tool
>like Notepad and edit it.
>
>By moving TEXT to the start of the line:
>
>ClipboardFormatsPriorities=FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF, TEXT
>
>you are able to change Frame's behavior so that a regular Paste will paste
>as text and you don't have to do Paste Special.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Kay
>
>PS - backup your maker.ini file before making changes.
>
>.K.
>
>
>Kay Ethier
>Senior Trainer & Consultant
>Bright Path Solutions
>FRAMEMAKER 2006 CHAUTAUQUA (conference): http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Peter Rule
>
>Hello framers,
>
>Does anyone know of a way to default "text" as the first option on the
>"paste-special" option box.  "text" is currently third in the list and I
>would love for it to be first (saving me having to select it).
>
>Any help appreciated.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Pete
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OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

All,

   I stand corrected! I'm guessing my mistake in this was with the
computers themselves and NOT the operating systems. I thought that
Classic was also tied to the OS as well as the computer. Apparently,
it's only tied to the computer. I believe that the last round of G4s and
the G5s didn't allow dual-booting into OS 9 as well as OS X. I wasn't
aware that Tiger still allowed a Classic environment. 
   I recently bought a new Mac Pro desktop, Intel-based, so this
knowledge doesn't help me any in my home situation, but it's still nice
to know! Thanks much, everyone, for their input and on setting me
straight on this!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241


-Original Message-
From: Michael O'Neill [mailto:mone...@meta-comm.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:35 PM
To: Sam Beard; swhite at alamark.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

I'm running this on a Mac Mini with a G4 proc.  

It's been a long time since I set it up, but as best as I can remember,
I installed the Classic environment as part of the initial setup and
configuration of Tiger.  This required the use of a "Classic"
environment disk (again, if I remember correctly).

When I try to open a Classic (OS9) application, the Classic environment
opens automatically within OS X and the application I originally tried
to open runs within this.  I don't boot to Classic or do any dual
booting shenanigans.

In the System Preferences, there is a "Classic" icon under "System" that
allows me to set various Classic options, including starting when
logging in, warning before starting Classic, various memory usage
settings for Classic, and more.  

OS 9/Classic does NOT appear as an option when under Startup Disk
preferences.

Sorry I can't provide too many details.  It's been a long time since I
initially set it up and I use Classic less and less frequently every
week that passes.  At least I know that in at least my circumstance,
Classic does work on Tiger.

-Michael



-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:sam.be...@ctes.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:49 PM
To: Michael O'Neill; swhite at alamark.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Michael and Scott,

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241

Scott White wrote:

We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well.
However, the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC
just fine. We are using it here. FYI.

And Michael O'Neill wrote:

For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.

-Michael

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+moneill=meta-comm@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+moneill=meta-comm.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:03 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+sam.beard=ctes.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list 

OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Hey Peter,

   I agree that this is an excellent series of books! I have one from OS
X 10.1, I believe. I was looking for one for Frame, since there are so
many others out there. Alas, I wasn't able to find one, so have been
looking for another good book for Frame. I recently bought the
Dreamweaver 8 Missing Manual and, so far, it looks to be just about as
good as Pogue's books. 

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241

Peter wrote: 
You can read a lot about this (and other stuff) in David Pogue's 
excellent and thorough "Mac OS X: The Missing Manual" (choose the cat 
version you need.) There's not much he overlooks explaining about common

and obscure aspects of Mac-ing.

Converting structured fm file to Doxygen readable file

[Nathan Cullen]

Hi Andrew,

I managed to create a python script which takes FrameMaker output and 
converts it to a doxygen readable document. So my problem is solved.

The solution involved saving my structured files as xml files and then 
running the parsing script over them.

Regards

Nathan

Andrew Warren wrote:
> Nathan Cullen wrote:
>
>   
>> I was just wondering does anyone have any scripts or do they know of
>> 
> any
>   
>> way to convert a structured framemaker file to a file that can be
>> 
> parsed
>   
>> by doxygen. I would appreciate if anyone had any idea on how I would
>> 
> do
>   
>> something like this or even start such a process.
>> 
>
> Nathan:
>
> The usual plea is for assistance in the other direction: converting
> Doxygen output to something that can be read by FrameMaker.  What are
> you trying to accomplish?
>
> -Andrew
>
> === Andrew Warren  - awarren at synaptics.com
> === Synaptics, Inc - Santa Clara, CA
>
>   

OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Sam Beard]

Hey Steve,

   Thanks for the input. Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the issue
was with the OS itself. I knew that the last round, I believe, of G4s as
well as the G5s didn't support dual-booting. They still ran Classic, I
believe, but not straight OS 9. I also knew that Apple wasn't porting
anything OS 9/Classic-related over to the new Intel-based Macs. I wasn't
aware that, as it appears people are saying from this thread, that Adobe
hasn't ported over Frame to run in OS X. Is that the case? Anyone heard
anything about when Adobe might be releasing an OS X version, if that is
the case?

Thanks much,

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241


-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:40 AM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

At 14:48 -0700 9/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

>   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
>therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
>any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
>machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some
sort
>or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
>   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

I can see where some of this confusion is coming from.

First off, Sam, your initial assertion of 'Tiger does NOT support OS 9
in any form' is misleading (forgive my bluntness): it's not a Tiger
(i.e. OS) restriction, but a hardware restriction. All versions of OS X
have supported OS 9 in its Classic form, a software wrapper that allows
a full OS 9 to run within the OS X environment. And within that,
FrameMaker runs just fine, as long as you follow the guidelines given
here:



What *is* true is that none of the most recent range of Intel-chipped
Macs run Classic. This is hardware issue: Apple chose not to port
Classic to these machines. This is a situation that a lot of clever
people are working on, as Apple appears to be unaware that many Mac
users are still dependent on legacy software. But for FrameMaker, the
option at present on these machines is to run one of the software
solutions that support Windows or Windows apps:







Finally, Peter Gold's point about dual-boot Macs only applies to older
hardware models. I forget when the last dual-boot Mac was dropped, but
you should be able to find out here:



Fwiw, I have a 2000-vintage Cube that is dual boot, and a 2004-vintage
G4 that is not, so it was sometime between those years.

-- 
Steve

URL Encoded Problem in PDF

[Shlomo Perets]

Donald,

You wrote:

>I've got a link to a url that is being encoded by Acrobat, and not working 
>when I click on it.
>
>For example, the marker has "message URL 
>http://www.site.com/~directory/index.html; and the tilde is being encoded 
>to %7E when the link is clicked, but appears as "~" in the PDF. If I 
>manually paste the link (with ~ intact) it works fine.
>
>Any  ideas? Is this a problem with my PDF or the target webserver?

I see the same encoding of tilde as %7E when web links of different types 
are activated in Acrobat, whether inserted in FM or in Acrobat (regular 
links or JavaScript actions). But regardless of this encoding, the links 
are resolved properly. It seems, therefore, that the problem is related to 
the specific addresses or target servers.


Shlomo Perets

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FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants
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OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Steve Rickaby]

At 07:35 -0700 10/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

>  Thanks for the input. Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the issue
>was with the OS itself.

No sweat - easy mistake to make.

> I knew that the last round, I believe, of G4s as well as the G5s didn't 
> support dual-booting. They still ran Classic, I believe, but not straight OS 
> 9.

Correct.

> I also knew that Apple wasn't porting anything OS 9/Classic-related over to 
> the new Intel-based Macs.

Also correct (dammit) :-(

> I wasn't aware that, as it appears people are saying from this thread, that 
> Adobe hasn't ported over Frame to run in OS X. Is that the case?

Correct. There was a campaign, thanks to Paul Findon, but it got us nowhere: 
http://www.fm4osx.org. I even wore the T-shirt to trade shows. (There was just 
the one T-shirt, but we shared it.)

A lot of Mac FrameMaker users became very, very angry.

> Anyone heard anything about when Adobe might be releasing an OS X version, if 
> that is the case?

LOL.
-- 
Steve

FrameLink

[Stephen C. Gillespie Sr]

Dear Framers,

Does anybody have any experience with the Framelink tool, to integrate Frame
with CMS (Documentum)?

I see on their website, where it talks about Frame+SGML integration - does
it work with Structured Frame/XML, too?

Apprec any info - thanks!



Steve Gillespie, PMP
Sr Information Development Analyst
FedEx Express
Memphis, TN 38125
901.434.9982

Capturing Paragraph Tag change with a Variables

[Stuart Rogers]

Scott White wrote:
> I've looked through the book and I'm a little stumped.
> How do you capture a change to the data assigned a specific paragraph tag so
> you can search on that change?
> I have a catalog that uses a certain paragraph tag "cellprice" to display
> pricing for an item. The paragraph tag "cellitem" is used to identify the
> unique item within a catalog that uses the "cellprice" tag. How can I assign
> a variable to that so when the price changes from an update or manually
> manipulated, I can find that change for the item? Can I export and/or print
> a list of all items where the combination "cellprice and cellitem" tags have
> changed by date?
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Frame 7.0 Mac OS 10 Tiger, Frame 7.2 Windows XP.

Scott,
I'm not sure I fully understand how your updates are occurring, but I 
think the feature you're looking for is File > Utilities > Compare 
Documents. Have a look at the user guide or Help files on that topic.

(I'm thinking that if your document updates from a database, you might 
have to turn off automatic updates and save a stable "previous" version 
to compare with the updated version, but I don't have experience with FM 
and databases.)

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Corrupted PDFs

[Stuart Rogers]

Gillian Flato wrote:
> Guys,
>  
> Frame 7.0 p495
> Acrobat 7.0 Professional
> on a network drive
>  
> I am having a problem where when I create a PDF, it becomes corrupted
> and I can't delete or move it. I can open it, but that's it. But this
> means that when I change the software, I can't rebuild the PDF so it's
> critical. Any suggestions.
>  

If you can open it, then it's highly unlikely that it's corrupted. More 
likely there is some network setting or a *.lck file that is making it 
read-only. Check for yourfilename.lck files on the network drive; they 
prevent two users from changing the same document simultaneously, but if 
they don't get erased properly when you close the file, you won't be 
able to delete or move it. (And you *are* closing the file before 
attempting to move or delete, right? You can't delete an open file...)

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Corrupted PDFs

[Gillian Flato]

Thank you,


I did a search on both my local drive and my network drive and did not
find any *.lck files.


Gillian 


-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:42 AM
To: Gillian Flato
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: Corrupted PDFs

Gillian Flato wrote:
> Guys,
>  
> Frame 7.0 p495
> Acrobat 7.0 Professional
> on a network drive
>  
> I am having a problem where when I create a PDF, it becomes corrupted
> and I can't delete or move it. I can open it, but that's it. But this
> means that when I change the software, I can't rebuild the PDF so it's
> critical. Any suggestions.
>  

If you can open it, then it's highly unlikely that it's corrupted. More 
likely there is some network setting or a *.lck file that is making it 
read-only. Check for yourfilename.lck files on the network drive; they 
prevent two users from changing the same document simultaneously, but if

they don't get erased properly when you close the file, you won't be 
able to delete or move it. (And you *are* closing the file before 
attempting to move or delete, right? You can't delete an open file...)

HTH,

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OSX Tiger and FrameMaker

[Graeme Forbes]

There seems to be a bit of confusion in answering Ann's question 
about FM and Tiger. Bottom line: if it's a G5 Mac you've got (or G4, 
G3...) FrameMaker will run fine under OS X 10.2, 10.3 (Panther) or 
10.4 (Tiger). Dunno about 10.0 or 10.1

This is because the G5 supports Apple's Classic environment, which 
allows OS9 to run inside any recent version of OSX that can be 
installed on a G5 computer.

If you buy a newer Mac with an Intel chip, you're out of luck (a 
qualification -- there are certain programs which emulate OS7 or OS8 
inside OSX on an Intel Mac, so you can run -- sort of -- FM5 or FM6; 
or you can emulate, or even boot into, Windows -- yeah, right -- and 
run Windows FM).

An entirely different question is whether your machine can *boot 
into* OS9 (OS9 controls the computer, not OSX with Classic running 
inside it). I had a G4 desktop which could boot OS9, and OS9 apps 
like FM7 fairly flew. But of course I couldn't run OSX apps without 
rebooting. I think my particular model may have been the last or 
second last Mac capable of booting OS9. G5 Macs can't. But for 
FrameMaker, running in Classic is not merely perfectly acceptable, 
it's actually better than running on any machine controlled by OS9. 
OSX is vastly more stable, and if Classic chokes, it's only a Classic 
relaunch to get things going again, not a hardware reboot.

As part of Apple's plot to abandon its customers still using non-OSX 
software, they stopped shipping G4/G5 Macs with Classic installed 
some time ago. Once your new OS 10.x is going on your machine, you 
may have to go to the Help menu and search for "Classic" to find out 
where on your installation disks they've hidden the Classic 
installler. But it'll be there somewhere.

Hope that helps,
Graeme Forbes

FrameLink

[terry.bad...@kodak.com]

I understand this product is no longer supported by the maker. 

Terry M. Badger
Strategic Initiatives Group
Technical Knowledge Management 
Eastman Kodak Company
343 State St
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Office (585) 724-6337
Cell (585) 781-0789
email Terry.Badger at kodak.com




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2006-10-10 12:01

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Subject
FrameLink






Dear Framers,

Does anybody have any experience with the Framelink tool, to integrate 
Frame
with CMS (Documentum)?

I see on their website, where it talks about Frame+SGML integration - does
it work with Structured Frame/XML, too?

Apprec any info - thanks!



Steve Gillespie, PMP
Sr Information Development Analyst
FedEx Express
Memphis, TN 38125
901.434.9982




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FrameLink

[Ridder, Fred]

FrameLink was a good product, and there was a separate version for
FrameMaker+SGML.  But Datalogics never did a version that worked
with the structured mode of FrameMaker 7.x.  Instead, they made a 
decision that as of the spring of 2005 they were no longer supporting
the product. It's a dead end. Until our product group was sold by the
our parent company, we were still using FrameLink with FM7.1 in
unstructured mode, and living with the handful of bugs that still
existed
(Datalogics became *very* slow to respond to reported issues over the
last year or so that they were still nominally supporting FrameLink, 
and we should have seen the handwriting on the wall). The company 
that bought the product group is not planning to use FrameLink
because it is not compatible with their new FrameMaker 7.2 licenses 
(multiple undo seems to have broken FrameLink compatibility) and
they don't want to go to the trouble of obtaining licenses to v7.1 (or 
older) and staying locked in to that old version of the tool. 

My opinion only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder
Intel
Parsippany, NJ

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Behalf Of Stephen C. Gillespie Sr
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 12:02 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FrameLink

Dear Framers,

Does anybody have any experience with the Framelink tool, to integrate
Frame
with CMS (Documentum)?

I see on their website, where it talks about Frame+SGML integration -
does
it work with Structured Frame/XML, too?

Apprec any info - thanks!



Steve Gillespie, PMP
Sr Information Development Analyst
FedEx Express
Memphis, TN 38125
901.434.9982




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OS 9 Applications on Tiger

[Paul Findon]

On 10 Oct 2006, at 07:00, fAnn Zdunczyk wrote:

> I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A  
> purchased
> an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4  
> (Tiger) to
> run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9  
> applications
> on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac  
> technology, which
> I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.
>
> So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there  
> are any
> problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with  
> Tiger. I
> know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep  
> trying to
> sell me the software.
>
> So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with  
> Tiger.

There are a few additional issues to be aware of when running Mac  
FrameMaker with Tiger, but, for the most part, it works well.

I have a page detailing issues at:


For more "UNVARNISHED truth" and support, I suggest that you join the  
FrameMaker for Mac OS X mailing list at:


FWIW, I'm running Mac FrameMaker 6.0 on a Power Mac G5 Quad with Mac  
OS 10.4.8 (Tiger). It works well, is fast, and stable.

Paul

Corrupted PDFs

[Dov Isaacs]

If you can indeed OPEN and view the PDF file in
either Reader or Acrobat, the file is not "corrupted."
An inability to delete or move a file is not indicative
of file corruption, but rather, that some program is
holding the file "open." That program may be on your
system or perhaps the server itself or some other user
on the network. Note that sometimes even though you think
you have ended a run of Acrobat, it still is running for
a while and may have some files open.

Another possibility is that you put the file into a
network directory for which your access privileges are
setup to allow you to open existing files or even create 
files in that directory, but not delete or otherwise mess
with file attributes.

Some simple things to try: Reboot YOUR computer. If your
computer was the culprit, i.e., some program holding it
open, then the reboot should clear it.

If the reboot doesn't clear the problem and you KNOW that
no one else on the network is accessing that file, you
should have your network administrator check your access
privileges on the server and specifically for the directory
in question. You clearly need read, write, file create, file
deletion, file attribute modification, etc. privileges for
that directory.

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> Gillian Flato wrote:
> Guys,
>  
> Frame 7.0 p495
> Acrobat 7.0 Professional
> on a network drive
>  
> I am having a problem where when I create a PDF, it becomes corrupted
> and I can't delete or move it. I can open it, but that's it. But this
> means that when I change the software, I can't rebuild the 
> PDF so it's critical. Any suggestions.

Can User Variable value be changed at book level?

[Radha Padmanabhan]

Hi, Good day.

  I use FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP.

  I have got a FM book with about 50 chapters (files). But they are logically 
grouped as 5 guides. All chapters in all guides have footers with Product Name, 
Release No. and Date and Guide identification. For each guide, the footer has a 
User Variable-DocumentNumebr. Its value is partially different for each guide. 
Every time there is a release, the variable value changes. I am having to edit 
the master page of each of 50 chapters manually. 

  Is there a possibility to change the value of the variable from book level 
for a range of chapters?

  I am a bit apprehensive about using templates (if possible) since the book is 
authored by someone else and I do not know the underlying risk. Excuses if this 
is a very basic question.

  Thanks
  Radha




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Issue in Optimizing PDF size

[Radha Padmanabhan]

Thanks Fred. I got it right now.
  Radha
==
"Ridder, Fred"  wrote:
  1) Open each component file in turn (dismissing the alert
message) and then explicitly save the file to convert it 
to 7.0 format so that it will open without any message the 
next time you attempt a book-level operation.

2) Open all the component files before doing the book-level
operation by using the Open All Files in Book command 
(available if you hold down Shift when you pull down the 
File menu). You will have to manually dismiss the warning 
message for each file as it is opened. And don't forget to 
save all the files (in 7.0 format) after performing the 
book-level operation.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Radha Padmanabhan
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:39 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Issue in Optimizing PDF size

Hi, 

I use FM 7.1 with Windows XP.

I got a 500 page FM Book with 16 files including TOC and Index. When I
opened it was detected to be of version 5.5. I was also prompted to
Optimize for PDF size during conversion to pdf. But when doing that
(selecting the book), the files to which "Links are found" are opened. I
press 'OK' to open all the files. But the operation fails telling 

[PDFSize] Error: Cannot open file ama-pre.fm. 
Error: Cannot open file ama-pre.fm.
[PDFSize] Dumping Error Information

If I Skip this file, same error is displayed for another file.
What is wrong in what I am doing? How do I get the optimization done?
Other than the size of PDF, how does it affect conversion to pdf.

Thanks
Radha


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